asha rangappa. mark wayne mullen is the hot talk, right? that's the hot talk back and forth about what the state of play is. but in terms of seeing the merits of the case as where the democrats want to get and the resistance from republicans, what do you see so far in today? >> well, i thought that the democrats really did a good job hammering home through these witnesses that one of the main defenses, as it were, doesn't hold water and that's that trump was fighting corruption or somehow defending the national interests because you had these two civil servants saying this was not only in the u.s. national interest but it undermines our ability to fight corruption and establish the rule of law in these other countries and the very fact that these republicans kept emphasizing how corrupt ukraine is only begs the question if ukraine is so corrupt, why would the president of the united states want to hand over the investigation of two u.s. citizens for corruption? it makes no sense. i think that came through and really obliterated that defense.