here. remember one of the things so unexpected and shocking is how fragile our democracy was that it came down to one person, vice president's decision, to essentially hold the democratic line. while members of the police force and the capitol police were holding the physical line outside, many were shocked to find he was the only person who refused to defy or go along with the actual campaign, the big lie campaign of the former president donald trump. and so i would want to know if he was at a complete departure from that essential party line there. i would also look at him and ask the question about who did he call? did he try to reach out to the president of the united states? the person to whom he is second in command. when he reached out was he rebuffed? was there a conversation? now of course the discussion between himself and trump would more likely be privileged than anything else but remember here if he tried to reach out to other people who were not the president, if he was thwarted in some way, was he denied? how did he learn about this? what were his concerns?