water used in water boarding became times. so 183 total pourings of water became 183 times, which is crazy. >> look, it's not f.b.i. versus c.i.a. i know for a fact that everything that we've been told that resulted because of water boarding. that's not true. >> only three terrorists with american blood on their hands were ever water boarded. >> in many cases, it was just a few days. in these cases, it was just a few weeks. >> this program evolved. some of the stuff that they tried to do is not working. and during the evolution process, i realize that i shouldn't be part of this. i shouldn't be a witness to this. i reported it to headquarters and headquarters pulled us out. >> so you have to try to provide