coming down on the side of this issue of a lot of women, which is just, you know, i'm going to do what i want to do in firm tf making myself look on how i want to look and i don't care how the world thinks. >> a lot of people comment on the first lady's arms and that's fitness and about staying healthy. is it attitude or physical fitness and health? >> i think it's a combination of the two. you know, i'm kind of haunted by reading that michelle gets up at 5:00 or 5:30 in the morning. >> 4:30 some days. watching us now as she pumps iron. and i think about that when i don't want to get out of bed in the morning and i certainly don't want to go to the gym. but i think that she's an inspiration to a lot of women in their 40s, 50s, 60s who want to keep vital and youthful and keep changing, too, in their lives. >> so, what else? aside from needle pointing and