something that is a struggle for members of the muslim community. >> he told you during that interview the number that is reported really isn't, in her estimation, a tenth of the actual number of incidents, but what is the number we know and why are they so difficult to track? >> reporter: this last month alone we saw 17 anti-muslim attacks according to some of the folks who track them, but the reason it's so hard to track them is many of the individuals may not speak up and may be intimidated and may be afraid. what we are seeing here is leaders in the muslim community trying to encourage some of their fellow muslims to come forward. that is very key to get a better idea of how real this issue is. the last time we saw these kinds of numbers about 53 that took place in 2010 or the mosque controversy at the ground zero site so muslim leaders don't want to see that happen again. >> pablo sandoval, thanks so much. >> you bet. let's talk about cnn law