>> that's the entry fee for iowa. it's happened. look, we came from nowhere. nowhere, but you know, state of 600,000 people and we were leading the pack in june. this also came are from raising money and a very powerful message. >> can i go back to the fear thing again? i know that upsets the biden campaign more than anything, the idea that his support is based on anything other than people wanting joe biden to be president, you know, the idea that they don't know why they're supporting biden other than their afraid trump will win. >> i don't think that's true. i think there are people who genuinely like joe biden and joe biden has a number of attributes. probably the most important attribute is that he was barack obama's vice president. barack obama is still the most popular democrat in the united states of america. >> next to michelle obama. >> next to michelle obama, yes, that's true. so i mean, that's a huge plus for him. you can never say that somebody's -- and if joe biden were only popular because people