control, which was not uncommon issue with trump administration. whether it was by tweet and sitting and knowing you need to respond to inquiries like i did on my first day helsinki and press inquiries, what is going on? that was the drill i was going through. almost like a battle drill you see in the military react to some sort of contact and the president being the adversary in this case based on just completely going off the rails. >> thinking of the president as an adversary, that's something. you consulted with your brother who is also on the national security council. you describe situation where you told him that if this were to be public, it's something the president would be impeached for. was that going through your mind at the moment you were listening to the call? >> an adversary in the sense that he's an adversary to good governance, corrupt actor. >> yes. >> when i went in and saw eugene, which was -- that was my