forcing school -- not forcing but by having school districts put in place these mandates that might compel parents who were resistant to get vaccinated and prevent pockets of spread that could seep into schools. >> that gets into a larger issue here is how does this white house reach the unvaccinated? which is made up largely of a group that frankly doesn't want to listen to this white house on much of anything? >> especially when we've heard the president almost week over week now give these speeches on covid-19. but the white house is hoping that with the aggressiveness of the delta variant that by having a speech right now when many americans are returning from vacation over the summer, kids are going back to school, businesses are going to be allowing their employees back at work, that this is the time in which people will be paying attention to the message, but of course we have to see how much that seeps through. >> yeah. we will have to see if all of this works. francesca, yas mean, thank you to both of you. coming up in our next hour, we'll be speaking with white