have children, if not relatives, that struggle with mental illness, and, again, it's an opportunity. it's an opportunity for the church to really rise up and say, look, there are struggles in our families and there's depression. christians suffer from depression. there are christians that fight with suicidal thoughts, and this is where both faith, the vertical and the horizontal, the mental health professionals can come together and combine, reconcile both of those platforms in helping many people that struggle with various mental illnesses. >> this is the first thing that came to mind, you know, after you think about the family and, you know, you wish them well. many christians and many believers would say how could god let something like this happen? >> well, and this is where faith kicks in. faith is not for -- necessarily for those great days. faith is more importantly for the bad days, not for the perfectly sunny day, but for when the storm rises up and shows up. this is where faith kicks in,