ten years ago you write something down on a piece of paper. today everything you put down is there and it's there forever. it's indelible. so it's a real problem for this country, and you look and the kind of secrets that are being given out, a lot of people are saying china learned more from this young man that -- you know, without a high school education that had access to everything you could possibly have access to. what kind of security is this? this is tremendous security breach. >> if you're not american, you look from the outside saying america is accusing the chinese of hacking computers for a long time now and snowden revealed and americans and the last three to four years. is that not in the public interest. >> china is having a field day because it's true over the last year we talk about them hacking and over the last couple days, they are talking about us hacking, we do far more than they have ever done and they are