well. for that, i thank you very much indeed. >> thanks for having me on, piers. i want to bring back a man i first spoke to last week. we've spoken several times in the build up to a sort of -- what was your reaction when you heard how it all ended? >> i was very relieved that hannah was saved. my feelings about jim being shot, i'm proud that the police and the fbi did whatever they had to do to save hannah's life. that was probably paramount in this situation. yet everyone's looking for answers still, and i've had to work with laura, his sister and bury -- and their children, of which jim was the uncle of. that's been difficult as well, there's a lot of grief and mourning. all those children used to play