his instincts might be right that obama care is potentially a disaster for the democrats and the president. the system simply didn't seem to work very well. >> i agree with him on that. >> throughout this nonsense of the last two weeks have hit on the great vulnerability. >> i am not saying that he is wrong on a lot of these issues. it's the way that he's gone about doing it they disagree with. however, that said, i know a lot of people in texas who absolutely love him, who feel that he is the strong champion, the man of principles that they don't find in washington. they find him -- they find him to be somebody who's very fresh. >> don't you also see that that is the extreme position right now? we were talking in the break about how the country is moving to the middle. >> right. >> you can't be extreme on the right or extreme on the left because you can't find compromise in those two position. and a ted cruz, though he may stand in his own moral space, that's not the morality of the country.