care, get universal preschool, have a pro-growth agenda that grows the economy. and i'm confident there's a way forward. i'm willing to sit down with him and the president to work to get to a passing a bill. >> the bottom line is, clearly the president in his statement that we know that he had a heavy hand in crafting and signing off on felt betrayed by manchin, saying he would not vote on build back better. that's a reality. so the question is, can you trust senator manchin moving forward if there are talks that are renewed about moving forward with something similar to what you have on the table now. >> pam, i trust president joe biden. he had a commitment at the $1.75 trillion framework from house democrats, from progressives and from 50 senators. now it's the goal posts have moved, here's the reality. we need senator manchin's vote. that's just the math of the situation. if the president says we need to