able to give some counsel but this comes down to the idea of how are we in a situation where a vice president is scrambling at the last minute trying to figure out do i have the power to overturn this in some way or not? what needs to be done to really fortify this prospect and make sure it never happens again? >> these were unprecedented times that stress tested the whole system. the electoral count act this all operates under is a law from the 1880s. if you're watching the gilded age these days they talked back then and so it makes sense to modernize, streamline, make the law contemporary. >> in fact, senator susan collins has a piece out in "the washington post" today and she is spearheading the effort, bipartisan effort to try to reform or modernize away from the gilded age account act but this is interesting to have bipartisanship in washington, d.c., ben, is one of the reasons because no one quite knows how to game this in a way they will