why did they think they rose to this level? that's all relevant in the assessment. >> let's talk about what he said about joe biden. i know you did the fact check. i'm going to have you for a little bit. i know you did the fact check. >> i have it right here. >> 20 minutes -- just a couple. then you can talk. i want to read part of it from cnn. it says, giuliani's story is littered with holes. according to a report from bloomberg, the ukraine's government's case against burisma had been dormant since 2014. two years before joe biden successfully pushed to remove the prosecutor general, biden was also joined in his anti-corruption push against the prosecutor by numerous leaders in europe as well as the international monetary fund, none of whom had any family ties to burisma, which was the company -- >> hunter biden was on the board, and that did create a conflict of interest for joe, no question about it. >> and should be investigated. >> they did investigate it. >> they did.