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FOXNEWS FOX News Sunday With Chris Wallace January 2, 2012



candidate will have a big night tuesday. we will capture the intensity of the fight for iowa when we go on the trail. all right now on fox news sunday. . >> hello again. happy new year from the iowa state capitol in des moines. we are broadcasting today from the ornate house chamber inside the capitol building. joining us live are three candidates who have a lot at stake in the caucuses tuesday night. congressman ron paul, congresswoman michelle bachmann and governor rick perry. two-days until we hear from the voters the race in iowa is still you be for grabs. take a look at the final poll out today from the des moines register. over four-days of poling mitt romney leads with 24 percent with ron paul close behind and rick santorum in third with 15 percent. newt gingrich rick perry and michelle bachmann round out the field. if you look at the final two-days of polling there's a big change. romney holds on with the lead but santorum jumps into second with 21 percent and ron paul slips to third. for more on the final weekend of campaigning let's get the latest on fox news chief political correspondent karl cameron. >> good morning, chris, happy new year. with two and a half days of caucus campaign time left for the candidates and up to 41 percent of likely caucus goers still likely to change their minds according to the des moines register and many other polls, it's indisputable. once again the iowa caucuses are coming right down to the wire as the volatility is every where any one can pull off a victory here. >> after nine trips to iowa a confident mitt romney iowa caucus when he was denied four years ago. romney is well respected and he has been in third or second place in iowa and national polls. he has the iowa republican establishment rattled, ron paul has strong get out the vote operation yet he has been under withering attack for a foreign policy they say is dangerous and out of step for the gop mainstream. the caucus game is one of and rick santorum will far exceed them in the from behind support from conservative religious who make up more than half of the caucus votes. gingrich with attack ads against him could face forth. he is looking at iowa and new hampshire and planning for his come back in south carolina. rick perry is spending more money than any other candidate and pro perry super pack has spent more than any other outside group. an army of texans org niedz d his support in iowa. michelle bachmann's claim has been rough. her state chairman defected to paul then she fired another top iowa deputy. she could become the first republican ever to win the straw poll and come in dead last because of the caucuses. on this sunday's new years day there is likely to be another crucial sere sris of developments across the hawkeye state. as we said about half of the caucus goers are self described christian conservatives. pastors are in pull pets all over iowa talking to parishioners. if they decide to get loud behind one candidate it could have a compound conduct on the results. carl thanks for that. the candidate who was at or near the top in most recent polls congressman ron paul who comes to us from texas. congressman, happy new year and welcome back to fox news sunday. thank you same to you, chris. four years ago you were running for president and you gotten percent of the vote on the iowa caucuses as we say in the latest des moines register poll you are at 22 percent. why do you think you are getting so much more traction here in iowa this time? >> well, it isn't because i changed my message. my message has been the same for 30 years and the same as four years ago. the world has changed the country changed. talked about economic policies and financial bubble and the correction that was coming and that has arrived and people now are saying the economy is a big deal the debt is a big deal the spending is a big deal. this is what i worked my whole career trying to warn people about. also in foreign policy i get tremendous support on my position which the other candidates say it's dang rules believing in the constitution. you shouldn't go to war unless you declare the war. this is the kind of thing people come around they are tired of the wars. 70 percent of the american people want us out of afghanistan. it's bankrupting us. we spent 4 trillion going into debt in the last ten years. i am concerned about civil liberties. these issues strike a cord with the people and i think that is the reason. more so now than four years ago but a lot more than 20 or 30 years ago because right now the evidence is loud and clear that government is failing in what they pretend they are going to do for us. that's why the people are looking for different answers. >> on the other hand, congressman, in the latest des moines register poll in those final two-days it shows evidence of a slide. in fact santorum passes you and you fall into. >> the ups and downs of the other candidates have been characteristic they come and go. they be long to the status quo. >> the people who make a commitment to the campaign for liberty and the constitution limited government and going after the fed once foreign policy comes together they don't sdeefsh. our numbers aren't going to go down. the number of people aren't going to leave us. the numbers will continue to grow in the last couple days and caucuses are going to treat us well and so the real test is on tuesday night swoef to wait until they turn this out. >> this group especially about news letters that came out under your name ain 80s and 90s in which there were comments made that were racist and homophobic. you say you were the publisher of the new letters not the editor. you didn't know everything that was in them. i want to ask you about a book that you wrote back in 1987 called freedom under seeing. -- sooesh. i want to ask you about some of the comments on that. you wrote this, the individual suffering from aids certainly is a victim, frequently a victim of his own lifestyle, but the same individual victimized innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care. question, do you still feel that same way? >> well, i don't know how you can change science. sexually transmitted diseases is caused bisexual activity. when it is pro miss could yous it spreads diseases. it has been known four or five years how this disease spread. if fault comes to people because of their personal behavior in a free society of people do dumb things it isn't to be placed as a burden on other people innocent people. why should they have to pay for the consequences? that is a sort of a nationalistic or socialistic attitude. in a free sewsite people are allowed to act the way they want. they are responsible. >> let me break in a little bit. do you think that someone who suffers from aids should not be entitled to health insurance as opposed to somebody who has a heterosexually transmitted disease? >> no. i never said that. i am just saying that people -- >> when you talk they victimize other people by making them pay for this what do you mean? >> depends what the insurance company does. there should be a law the market should handle this. people who are pregnant nine months they can't go in and buy insurance. insurance is supposed to be insurance. so if people are smokers, don't they have to pay more sometimes you get your insurance cheaper if you are a nonsmoker? sometimes we talk about the market and insurance issues not being dictated the government. if your behavior doesn't matter, if these are true you do harm to somebody you have to suffer the consequences. same way with health matters you don't have a right to demand somebody take care of you because of your habit. >> sir -- >> you don't have laws -- >> let me interrupt. i am sorry. we have limited time. we want to get to the other two candidates as well. i want to ask you about another thing you wrote in your book in 1987 about sexual harassment in the workplace. you wrote this. why don't -- this is about the victims. why don't they quit once the so-called harassment starts. obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended but how can the harass see escape some responsibility to the problem. you said sexual harassment should not be a violation of commu sven someone's employment. >> we have a better recommendation somebody was offended they don't have a right to go to the federal government and have a policeman come in and put penalties on the individuals. they have to say maybe this is not a very good environment they have a right to work there or not work there. sexual harassment involved violence as libertarians we are very opposed to any violence. if there is any violence involved you still don't need a federal law against harassment. you need to call the police and say there's been an assault or there's been an attempted rape or something. you have to separate the two out. because people are insulted by rude behavior i don't think we should make a ped federal case about. >> a very ambitious agenda as what you would do as president you say you would cut 1 trillion in spending the first year and you say you would shut down 5 cabinet level departments i want to look at your record as a member of congress for more than 20-years. "washington post" found you have sponsored 620 measures over your years in congress just four made it to the house floor for a vote and only one of those 620 measures only one was signed into law galveston custom house to a historical society. with that record why are you suddenly going to become so effective as a president? >> you just made not -- the people are sick and tired of washington the people in charge have been passing those bills i have been voting no all of the time on these appropriation bills. i am the individual that pointed this out and the people are saying the government doesn't work the debt is too big and it doesn't work. the country has to change. to elect me the country doesn't change they have to believe in the constitution which means congress changes. the fact that you elect a president like myself the pressure is on the current congress. congress doesn't have strong beliefs. as long as the pressure from the people is in the right direction if this is where our campaign is ak selling where the tea party movement or discussion among arrogant people they are sick and tired of all of this. i represent that. why would they pass my laws? i wanted to stop this a long time ago. that's why i went to washington. the tied has changed. now the opportunity is there. now i am a sirius con se-- seri contender and that's why there's so much excitement. >> less than 30 seconds left. i want to ask you a final question. you and congressman bachmann got into a flap this week when her state senator kent sorenson jumped ship from her campaign to your campaign. she ladies and gentlemens that he said that your campaign was paying him to jump ship. simple question. did your campaign or any one connected with your campaign or any one speaking on behalf of it or any third party vendor did any of them offer money to ken sorenson to come on board your campaign? >> no. if she has the evidence she should bring it forth. if she makes charges like that she should be able to defend it. no, that did not happen. >> she will get an opportunity right now. congressman paul thank you so much for talking with us today. happy new year again. see you back here in iowa. thank you, sir. >> thank you very much. >> congresswoman michelle bachmann won the straw poll in august and finished campaigning in all of 99 counties. welcome back to you. before we get to the ron paul issue i want to ask you about the des moines register poll which has you quite frankly 7 percent running last against the candidates. do you have any hard evidence that the poll is wrong and you are going to do much better tuesday night. >> 99 county tour we did was ambitious. we had 250, 300 people come out at a stop. what we saw literally chris were thousands of people making conversions on the spot. it was in sioux city. people saw in me someone who can take it to barack obama in the debate hold him accountable and in particular when i was pushing ron paul on allowing a nuclear iran that turned a light switch on for voters in iowa. we have a lot of people coming on tuesday night who are undecided. we have a champion who can stand up for them and we see that of all of the candidates in the race and only those with current national experience it will be tested almost immediately. look at what's happening in iran. i am prepared to meet that challenge. that's what our next president will have to do. >> don't you have a big disadvantage. rivals are spending millions of dollars in campaigns some positive some negative. you have not run a single tv summ commercial since iowa in aims back in august when you are going to run commercials the last two-days before the caucuses. isn't your campaign running on fumes? >> we are running on the power of meeting with iowans directly. iowans are independent people. we made a smart decision. we put 6900 miles on our campaign bus. we met with people, people's living rooms and the thinking cafe in de cater city iowa. people really appreciated that. people told us no other candidate has come here. that is not reflected in a poll. that's what people are going to see on tuesday night. we saw a lot of enthusiasm. >> talk about something reflected in the polls. you and governor perry and santorum are going after the evangelicals and social conservatives, specifically why would you make a better nominee and a better president than rick santorum who as one register poll is making a big late bloom. >> among the candidates i have more pastor endorsements than any other candidates. we had a caravan of pastors making the case of why i would be the candidate. we have an unassailable record for standing up protecting life, marriaging religious liberty. i have a record when it comes to fiscal policy. i was the only person who stood up this last summer and said no we can't allow barack obama to increase the debt ceiling. in other words, increase the ability we are putting on the credit card of our nation. >> why does that make you better than santorum who is pretty strong in a lot of those issues, too. >> take a look at senator santorum. he lost his last election by a wider margin than any other sitting republican senator. he lost that race. i won four races in the last four years in the toughest years for republicans in a liberal state like minnesota. also if you look at the spending issue he voted for the bridge to nowhere. he -- spending which is the number one issue he has been a big spender in washington, d.c. that is not what the american people are looking for. they want someone who is a fiscal conservative. i am a tax lawyer who has gone to washington to fight the out of control spending. my record is one of being a fiscal conservative as opposed -- i am not trashing the candidate as a point of clarity. senator santorum stood for earmarks and stood for spending. that's not what we want. we have to look at the record. >> let me ask you about the record. suns you came to congress you got $4 million in ear marks for your district. when the republican leadership wanted a moratorium you were one of the few who said i want an exception for the transportation. >> that's not true. >> aren't your hands dirty? >> i took anner maearmark pledg in my grooirs of office. i am earmark free. >> you haven't gotten almost $4 million in ear marks? >> the first year i came in i put the request in then i found out what it was about. i took the pledge in my first term i never requested another earmark since and i won't. the bigger issue is are we going to continue to increase the credit card limit in washington? i am the only voice who said no. >> several iowa pastors appeal to you and governor perry and rick santorum, one or two of you to drop out so all of the social conservatives can coalesce around one candidate. you all decided no you want to pursue your campaigns, but will it be a big defeat for social conservatives and their issues on tuesday if as a result of splin terring if ron paul or rick santorum takes iowa? >> they want not just a single issue candidate they want the full compliment of a candidate of all of the candidates i am a strong fiscal conservative. i am a successful business woman who run it and i have a proven record in congress on fiscal issues. i am the strongest candidate on social issues and national security. i started the tea party caucus in washington and led 40,000 americans to washington to object to obama care. i have the best candidate to fight illegal immigrationnd i am a full compliment can gnat. that's what people want someone with a firm revolsolve that's w i brought to washington. i have proven and tested they want someone in a legacy of reagans. >> i want to give governor perry some time and i want to talk to you about the issue i asked congressman paul about. state senator jumped ship went to work last wednesday for ron paul. you claim that he told you that it was about money, but then when your deputy campaign manager said it wasn't about money he was let go is your campaign is disarray? >> absolutely not. the other part you failed to report is there are other people outside of the campaign who said he told them this is about money. the bigger issue is the fact that after the fox debate we had tremendous moment dumb which continues to this day. people saw how dangerous ron paul's policy is. if he would allow him to have a nuclear weapon we would be at risk of that's why people jumped ship and that's what we will see reflected on tuesday night. >> we want to thank you for coming in on this first day of 2012. good luck to you. >> happy new year to you and all of the fox viewers. >> governor rick perry has been campaigning hard in iowa spending more than 30-days here and holding over 75 events. governor welcome back. >> happy new year. >> same to you. des moines register poll has you at 11 percent basically 5 with gingrich four fourth place. how do you think you are going to do tuesday night. >> momentum headed in the right direction as we traveled across iowa over the course of the last 30-days or so. we are seeing great crowds. again people who are excited about an outsider coming in in washington, d.c. as you look at all of the candidates either washington insiders or wall street insiders. you have a choice of governing executive who for 11 jeers operated 13th arguelargest econ and created more jobs than any other state in the nation while america lost 2 million we were creating a million. they are very interested in having experienced executive in the white house not only got the foreign policy background but also has social and fiscal conservative message. >> you campaigned hard here. you have spent almost $3 million on tv ads more than any other candidate more than any other super pack and yet you are in 4th or 5th place. >> we got in the race late obviously in august. some of these folks have been running for years in iowa and mull ti multiple times in iowa. for us to come in over the last five months and have the ground game nobody has the ability to go past iowa on into these other states with a fundraising with the national fundraising ability with the message we have with an executive running a major state. that's a powerful message. we will be able to go forward with some of the candidates. we may do okay with iowa but when it comes to running a national campaign they are going to falter. >> reporters are buzzing over a political web site in which your new campaign staff hammers the group that you came in with. i don't know if you had a chance to read this. let me put some of it on the screen: . >> sounds like they are laying the groundwork. >> that is inside the beltway chatter that happens on a regular

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