10 being the most likely that the attorney general would recuse himself in this matter. ken, what do you think? >> two to three. i don't get this serious issuew. we now know, we've been informed that the president never reached out to the attorney general directly or indirectly, that the attorney general has had no communications with the ukrainian government about all of this. so we saw this in the russia investigation, the mueller report. the president askedin for something to be done or says something to be done, but it doesn't end up getting done. there's no reason for bill barr to recuse himself. >> laura: sol, hold on one second. folks at cnn today are saying we need a special counsel. they are at a special counsel 2.0. if it weren't so serious, it would be like a "saturday night live" sketch if they had any balanced sense of humor. this is what is being proposed by supposedly serious people.