right to a sleeping baby's crip. you have to see what happens next. first, a nevada rancher is not backing down. his war with the federal government is far from over. ♪ >> meet cliven bundy, cattle rancher and range warrior. >> range war is all i can say. >> bundy is the last cattle rancher in southern nevada. and now he is at the center of a political firestorm. >> an american counsel taking on the federal government. nevada rancher cliven bundy threatening to launch a range war after the government sent snipers and helicopters to seize his cattle. >> meet the government than $1 million inbundy unpaid grazing fees and taking drastic measures to get him to pay. using helicopters to round up cattle, sending in heavily armed agents. [dogs barking] >> attack dogs, even using a stun gun on amonday bundy, cliven's son. meet gillespie. bundy supporters calling on him to disarm the federal agents. saying the federal government has gone too far. >> sheriff gillespie needs to go down and tell the bureau of land management to leave. >> but the sheriff refusing to take action so hundreds of armed militia men rallying to support the bundies, facing off with the feds at gunpoint and the government backing down. bundy supporters worry it is not over. some still providing security for the bundy family. meet buddha cavalier. >> our goals are safety and security of innocent civilians trying to practice their constitutional right. >> the standoff getting attention from nevada governor brian sandavol creating a free speech zone outside of which free speech is banned and senator harry reid also jumping into the fray. >> well, it's not over. we can't have an american people violate the law and just walk away from it, so it's not over. >> which brings us back to bundy, telling the senator to go back to washington. >> harry, get back there and take care of that work and leave us alone here in nevada. you have no business here in clark county, nevada. >> and it's not just senate majority leader harry reid the bundys also hearing from senator reid's son rory reid are, is he a lawyer and former chairman of the clark county commission where the bundy ranch is located. >> we believe in a country in which we are subject to laws and we can't just ignore the laws that we don't like and i think that clearly state and federal prosecutors look at this more closely, they are going to find that he broke the law and he should be prosecuted. >> and cliven bundy's wife carol joins us. knives to see you, carol. >> thanks for having me, greta. >> carol, what do you make of senator harry reid's son rory basically suggesting that the prosecutor state and local take a good look and take a look at prosecuting you and your husband? >> well, we know the war is not over yet, greta. but i can tell you and all your listeners that we have abided by all nevada state law. we have not broken one law from the state of nevada. and if we are a sovereign state in the state of nevada, we don't need to worry because we haven't broken any state laws. >> why do you think that rory reid is even getting into this? what's his interest in this at all? >> well, i know there is a lot of rumors on the internet. i don't have -- i don't have the facts yet, is that they have business interest on this land where they want to bring in solar plants, chinese solar plants. none of that that i know of. but i think this whole war is about control and unlimited power of the federal government and loss of liberty for we, the people. >> senator harry reid says it's not over. would you agree with him on that? >> well, i imagine they will try to take us back through the court system. it's not over until we stand and we are standing and we have got america with us. and we are standing for liberty. and i think the american people are standing with us. we are getting phone calls every day from people who say we're ready to come at a manipulate's in the and stand with you for our country and for our liberty. >> okay. who owns this land? is it the feds? the state? do you have rights to it? explain this whole history. >> we believe that the state owns this land constitutionally. in the constitution there is nowhere where the federal government can own this much land. they claim 89% of the land in the state of nevada. and we believe that we're a sovereign state, and we'll gladly abide by think laws that the state of nevada has. >> am i correct on sighing that the federal government says you owe about 1.1 or $1 million in grazing fee that's are willing to pay that to the state? is that correct and just not to the feds? >> we will pay what the state asks us to pay. our rights to be -- we don't claim that we own the actual land. we claim that we own rights to use that land. our water rights are filed with the state of nevada. the state of nevada, we will pay for the taxes for the rights that we own in the state of nevada. >> what does the state of nevada say with this? i obviously get what the feds are saying about. this what's the state say, for instance, the sheriff, the governor, what are they saying? >> well, basically, they are saying they have let us down as a citizen of their own state. they bow down be to the feds themselves. >> does that include the governor? because i mean i know the governor didn't like the method that the feds were using. he didn't like that in the beginning, is he not on your side on sort of the underlying problem? >> the governor has a power to step in and just say not in my state, boys, the party is over. the sheriff actually has the ultimate power in our county and he could have said not in my state. but, instead, they allowed the blm to come in and impersonate officers and point guns at our people and try to frighten us. we, the people, should not be afraid of our government. >> what do you think is the next step? i realize you still have supporters there. the feds have backed off. i mean, you know, as we are watching, this what should would he be looking for? what do you think is going to happen next? >> you know what? this is a wild ride. we are going to take it one day at a time. can i tell you one thing this old cow girl doesn't take kind to getting bucked off. >> that's my outcue on that. carol, thank you, and we will be watching. >> thank you so much for having me on. >> thank you. and the federal agents, well, they are now gone. so why are militia members still on the bundy ranch? griff jenkins went to the ranch to find out. >> we're here just to give them a security blanket to help them rest easy at night so they can go about their day-to-day business here at the ranch. >> i'm still here because i found out what was going on on the news and my friend james and i, we decided to come out and support the people that were out here and standing up to -- standing up to people that have seriously not read the federalist papers or the constitution. >> are you itching for a fight? >> no, not at all. i have been in a fight before. and plato said it best, it's easy to go to war, it's hard to get them to go back. the last thing i want to do is about be in another fire fight. >> i'm in a former united states marine. i'm a former police officer. i'm a former high school history teacher. i don't make this country more dangerous. i make it more safe because i values. >> do you want to -- the federal government. >> not at all. we have people out here to support to practice their second amendment rights and their constitutional privileges which have been provided to them by a real government. >> how long will you stay? >> until mr. and mrs. bundy look at me in the eyes and tell me they are safe and secure and i can go home to my family and business that i have got down there. >> next guest admits that cliven bundy does not have the courts behind him but insists the ranchers should keep on fighting. kevin joins us from the national review. there are two court orders that go against the bundys you think the bundies should persevere, why? >> senator harry reid and nomish little son breaking a law. of course they are breaking the law, act of civil disobedience the definition of civil disobedience is breaking a law that provokes authorities to draw attention to the underlying question of justice you are trying to highlight. in this case it's a question of the overreaching administrative law branch of the government imposing rules on people without a lot in the way of political resource and in a situation in which they're virtually monday nope police in the state of nevada owning, you know, 87 by some estimates, 89 by other estimates% of the land. of course they are breaking the law. i'm glad they are doing and it i hope they keep doing it. >> okay. the feds say they owe a million dollars in grazing fees. they say they are willing to pay it but pay it to the state. if they hypothetically, if they paid that $1 million to the federal government, would there be any difference in their grazing? could they still graze the same places, the same amount? is there any distinction there? >> well, again, this stuff is all decided by bureaucrats at the bureau of land management and other places and who knows what they are going to do. they are a fairly unpredictable bunch. i think the real question here though is about what sam prentice used to call narcotyranny a situation that the government more or less advocates responsibilities at the big national level not doing things like policing the border. not doing things like making sure that the irs is following the law and not violating the hadshack which when it comes to little things defending tortoise habitats they self-righteousness of a fourth grade hall monitor. that is what this question ends up being about. >> where does this lead? right now the feds have backed off. at least they have backed off the weapons are gone, the helicopters are gone. you have still got the bundies with the militia there. they are standing by. what is next? >> well, you know, everyone talks about the rule of law in this situation. of course, that ends up being an interesting question because we have, for instance, a president who is willing to set aside part of his healthcare law when it's inconvenient. athe irs not being prosecuted for the laws they are breaking. a national conversation about how not to enforce our immigration laws. when it comes this rancher in nevada of course we are going to insist to the national level on enforcing the law down to the letter. my questions is -- guess is he ends up in prison or possibly worse. >> we will be watching because it seems like it's not going to end at least any time soon. kevin, thank you. >> thank you. >> ace just noted we will continue to keep you updated on this quickly changing situation at this nevada ranch and tell us though whose side you are on. tweet or post using #greta bundy ranch. but right now, president obama under fire. republican critics accusing the white house of essentially cooking the books. changing the survey's healthcare questions to hide the failures of obamacare. former congressman allen west joins us. nice to see you. we are talking about the census bureau is that correct, congressman? >> yeah, you are absolutely correct. as a matter of fact, unless something has changed, back in 2009, under the leadership of then white house chief of staff rahm immanuel, the census bureau was brought under the direct influence and direct control of the white house, so now that has become a pretty well plited sized organization. so i think that when you look at the changing of these questions, a lot of people are saying this was something already in the pipeline, there should be not any concern, but the concern is that, number one, you have the direct influence of the white house over the census bureau and number two you have an administration which really does not have any credibility. we know that the american people are not trusting of the president and they really do believe, i think, 61% that he pretty much is telling lies to the american people. >> well, i think -- the "new york times" -- i read the "new york times" story which brought the light -- they were actually talking about the fact that by changing the survey questions it's going to be impossible to sort of measure whether or not what the real numbers are of people who have gotten health insurance, whether they have increased or not, it's no longer apples to apples comparing last year to this year. it's comparing apples to oranges. the "new york times" has question about that. moving the census bureau into the white house from the commerce department. what is the political gain for the white house to do that? >> well, i think that you see it right now with the ability to manipulate these questions which have been there but then they can can kind of use it as a criminal does to clean up the site of a crime and dust off all the evidence and maybe that's a possibility. but j couldn't they have done it. >> demographic. it's demographic information that you get. and that demographic information can help you with the political aspirations and the political information you need to do the mike co-targeting. >> could that not be done if it remained over at the obama administration commerce department? is there a big difference to moving it to the white house? >> well, the thing is you might create a little email or paper trail that can be followed. when you bring it right under the direct control of the white house you eliminate a search individual. look, we don't know what these numbers are. it's somewhere between 7 to 13 million people need to be accounted for. and just by telling us there are 7.5 million, we don't know how many of those people are on medicaid. what about the a to 6 million americans who lost their insurance coverage. we understand that former h.h.s. secretary said they needed 7 million. but we are not clear on what this affordable care act, obamacare is doing for the american people. >> going back to '09, do you remember what the justification was to what the white house explained as to why they suddenly moved the census bureau over to the white house? what did they say was the reason? >> well, there was no explanation. the only thing that i can kind of remember the quote from rahm immanuel is never let a good crisis to go to waste. always as much control as you can have which i think is one of the mode disoperandi for this administration is that is what you see. we are finding out even more things about the relationship of lois lerner with the irs scandal. >> and it goes on and on and on. congressman, thank you, sir. >> thank you so much, greta. >> now, this may be the creepiest video have you ever seen. it certainly is terrifying. a burglar lurking over a baby's crib and staring at the baby. what happened next in the latest from the police coming up next. and more on this developing story. hundreds of people in dozens of cars on this sinking ferry. the ferry going under fast. hundreds still missing. a massive rescue mission underway right now. ♪ [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance so she could take her dream to the next level. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today...and tomorrow. so let's see what we can do about that... remodel. motorcycle. 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