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the intense manhunt is now over for that reality millionaire, millionaire reality show contestant accused of murdering and dismembering his ex-found dead hanging in a hotel room. right now cops are searching for a mysterious blonde woman who paid for the room. who is she? and a tug of war over a runway teenager who says her muslim father threatened to kill her because she converted to christianity. a family harbored this girl for weeks before calling police. now her parents want her back. love hearing from you. the number 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us, cnn.com/primenews or you can text us at hlntv, start your message with the word prime. your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome once again. this is "prime news." first breaking news in the death investigation concerning michael jackson. court documents just into us show the king of pop had lethal levels of the drug propofol in his blood. this is a highly potent drug that's used to knock out patients for surgery. this new information on jackson is based on the los angeles county coroner's preliminary report. the coroner's office gave us no comment on the official cause of death. now, a source close to the investigation has told cnn jackson's personal doctor conrad murray gave him propofol within 24 hours of his death. could he be facing criminal charges and soon? as always, we take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln. let's bring in randi kaye from our sister network cnn. she's been all over this. what do we have in this document? we're really getting a timeline here. >> we certainly are, mike. we have the search warrant here just filed today, just made public in houston. just getting my hands on it going through it. i can tell you as you know the headline out of it is that the coroner's office has determined that at the time of his death, i'm quoting here from the document, toxicology analysis showed that michael jackson had lethal levels of propofol in his blood. for those of you who might not be familiar, it's also known as diprivan. it's not supposed to be used outside of a hospital setting. it requires monitoring. it involves oxygen thanks. it's very critical that it be used only inside a hospital in a surgery setting. apparently, according to these documents that we have, this affidavit of a search warrant, dr. conrad murray stated to detectives that he was michael jackson's personal physician and that he did administer several drugs to jackson in the early morning hours of june 25th, which as you know is the day that michael jackson died. and at approximately 11:00 in the morning, he told police that that's when michael stopped breathing. i can tell you dr. murray admitted to police he administered 25 milligrams of propofol along with lidocaine, to michael jackson through an iv drip. now, we know that michael jackson was taking a lot of drugs. this comes to us from a lot of sources. getting. he told detebbuttives he injected low raz pam. at 3:00 a.m., michael still awake. he tried giving him mydazolam the 25 milligrams of the propofol after jackson repeatedly demanded that drug. now, mike something else i want to point out. he said after approximately ten minutes, dr. murray said that he left jackson's side to go to the restroom and relieve himself. this is the first time we're getting new information about him leaving michael's room. he told police he was out of the room for about two minutes maximum, according to these documents and upon his return, he noticed that michael jackson was no longer breathing. one last point, apparently dr. murray said that he was not the first doctor to give jackson propofol. he apparently told authorities that jackson was very familiar with this drug and in fact, he referred to it as milk. we know from dr. sanjay gupta that propofol has a very milky appearance, michael calling it his milk very familiar with it. >> we heard other reports and talked about it, i believe it was last week concerning dr. murray making phone calls after he left michael jackson. did we get that out of this report, randy? >> not yet. this is a pretty long search warrant and i'm still going through it. i haven't seen any phone calls yet. i do know he was the first one he says who started working on michael jackson. but in terms of phone calls, we know that somebody else in the house here, one of his security detail, just reading it here that he returned, he responded upstairs. he went to the aid of dr. murray. he called 911 via his cell phone as we fwhoe, there wasn't a phone in michael jackson's room. dr. murray waited for the ambulance while conducting cpr, according to this document. he assumed care from the paramedics and accompanied them to the hospital. >> okay. let's bring in our attorney, one of our attorneys anne bremner is with us. ann, as you hear that timeline, drug after drug in the hours before michael jackson's death. does he have any excuse here? >> i don't see any excuse at all. we already know milk, it's been called milk of amnesia. you can't use it sounds of a surgical setting. that alone damns the doctor, but drug after drug after drug and then after jackson demanded to get something more to sleep, this isn't a stickup at a pharmacy. this is a patient that you're upheld to take care of and not to harm under the hippocratic oath. >> russell, as randi just mentioned, it sounded like he was looking for that other excuse by saying i'm not the first one or the only doctor that gave him pro foe follow or diprivan. that's going to ring hollow. your thoughts on that. >> that's right. x weeks. one-night event where there was oops, an accident. but for six weeks, he had been administering that and at 10:40 in the morning he administered it again after several sedatives. >> dr. william morrone, let's go over this time line a little bit. first of all, 50 milligrams of propofol. is that a normal dosage? your thoughts on that. of propofol that's a side effect is respiratory depression. the side effect of valium and lore raz pem is respiratory depression. and he mix them all together. >> so that was from -- that's completely irresponsible from your vantage point? i mean, when you talk about valium at 1:30, lorazepam at 2:00 and various drugs after that until finally the propofol at 10:40 -- >> if he would have had mr. jackson on a ventilator and intubated, he could have offered a reversal agent and continued oxygenation and let it wear off. but he didn't have the monitoring. and he didn't have a reversal agent. he didn't have an antidote. that's outside of the standard of care. >> okay. all right. we're just getting started with this. we'll take your phone calls, the number 1-877-tell-hln as now we have a timeline we're looking at. it just seems from our lay -- my layman's points of view is so irresponsible, all of these drugs topped off by the most powerful propofol at 10:40 in the morning. we'll take your calls when we come back. welcome back to "prime news." continuing our conversation about the death investigation concerning michael jackson. we're getting a timeline here, and from what we're looking at, michael jackson had just a drug cocktail in his system. topped off by propofol administered to him at 10:40 on the morning of his death. and we know he stopped breathing at that point. we have experts standing by. randi kaye is with us from cnn. randi, any comment yet on this from dr. murray, his camp at all. >> no, i did give a call to his attorney and they were just reading the affidavit that we have here. and if they wanted to make a comment, they usually release it on their website, which they haven't done as of yet. one thing, mike, i want to tell you, and this is coming from the associated press, this is a big piece of information here. the associated press is reporting quoting a single law enforcement official who says the l.a. county coroner has ruled michael jackson's death a homicide. now, this is new. we've been hearing that this case may move eventually to criminal charges and it may be ruled a homicide but it's important for us to point out we've called the lapd. they said this information did not come from them. cnn has also called the coroner's office and they gave us the official no comment. so as of now, this is just a single source telling the associated press that it has now been ruled a homicide. something else to point out is that in this affidavit for the search warrant that i have here, according to the police department in houston, their office is saying they believe they have found evidence of the crime of manslaughter at this the location in harris county, texas. that location is dr. conrad murray's houston clinic. we know from other search warrants when they searched the houston and las vegas clinic, they were looking for evidence of manslaughter. this says right here they believe they found the evidence of the crime of manslaughter. >> okay. randi, thank you so much. don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. don, as an investigator, so what is that evidence? is it evidence he obtained propofol? what are relooking at here. >> they've got to find things that get them inside the law that they obtained this stuff illegally, that they pay somebody to do the wrong things that, they administer illegally, not improperly per se but illegally something that's against the law, that they obtain the drugs through pipelines that were illegal or against the law and how did they give the stuff to them. did they go against all the laws feeding people those drugs. i think there's a good chance that somebody could be charged with homicide. you know, and i keep going back to the anna nicole because it's somewhat of a parallel there. that's a possibility that could have gone the same way. >> bev's with us in new york. hi, bev. your comment or question. >> caller: i'm just wondering on this doctor for the propofol, the people that gave it to him, will they get in trouble and also all the other doctors before this doctor that helped michael jackson become an addict, what about those people? >> good questions. ann, i guess that's a defense he's not the first. but that's not going to absolve conrad murray. >> no, it's not. we have a manslaughter basically acting with some kind of recklessness in california. no, it doesn't. is the fact that other people may have prescribed to an addict just makes more potential targets. now, there are crimes for prescribing to an addict and licensure implications. he can say that other people did it too, but the fact that they did -- he said that he didn't think jackson was an addict, didn't know that. we're hearing otherwise now in this time line. >> let's bring back dr. william morrone. our medical examiner here. myself as a layman before the break, i characterized this as irresponsible. are you the expert. how do you characterize the treatment michael jackson received in the hours before his death? >> what you have to understand safe. lore raz pem and mids an zo lam, you take out that respiratory feeling and everything you did by trying to reduce it to make it safer, you then complicate it had by adding new levels of risk. so he really didn't try to make it safe and while my heart goes out to him, when you take a cardiologist and ask him to take the role of an anesthesiologist, he's working outside of his level of training. if he obtained the propofol from illegal channels from other countries, australia, canada, italy, then he's trying to cover up which would be against the law and if he obtained it through aliases and false names that would be another level of illegality. >> yeah. >> besides outside of his level of specialty. that's where the problem is here. he mixed stuff that made it more dangerous which negates lowering the dose. >> looking at that, is there any way he knew what he was doing? is he just guessing here? that's what it looks like when you're piling on drug after drug and top it off with the most powerful drug of all. >> if his experience with propofol and the valiums, six months worth of experience, the answer he is guessing. it is guesswork. he didn't do a fellowship. he didn't do a residency in this area. it's outside of his level of specialty. and when you add on top of that that he's treating an addict who has certain needs and dependences and comorbidities because of his addictions, out of his league. >> guys, we'll take your calls, your thoughts on these brand new revelations. you know the number, 1-877-tell-hln. continuing our conversation about new revelations into the death of michael jackson, what happened? what kind of care did he receive in the hours before his death? what we're looking at is a in the morning dose of propofol at 10:40 in the morning. he died june 25th, 2009. we're taking your calls. kim is with us in ohio. comment or question here? >> caller: how are you today? >> good. >> caller: i was just calling. i wanted to agree with the expert who spoke right before you went to a commercial break as far as the doctor being a cardiologist versus an anesthesiologist, which is true. i am an anesthesia technician. i myself do not even have access to propofol, only an and anesthesiologist and a nurse anness that activity does. my question is, how does a dead man, michael jackson, how does he defend his self? it's kind of obvious that the doctors will say i wasn't the first one and he wanted me to give it to him, but michael jackson can't speak for his self. >> let's go to russell. he's an attorney. russell, i mean the evidence i would think speaks for michael jackson in this case what, we're seeing in the time line we're getting. >> that's right. obviously michael can't testify in his own behalf, but certainly we have been talking a lot about his responsibility in this and we're hearing even from dr. murray within these court documents that he was asking for propofol that day. we have to believe he must have been asking for it before. there were six weeks of him giving that propofol. michael jackson has some responsibility in this, but at the end of the dashs the question is, was that doctor or will that doctor be guilty of manslaughter or other criminal charges. >> anne, regard liz of michael's request, as a doctor, you have to do what's best for your patient. >> that's absolutely right. in a manslaughter case you'll not have fault of the decedent. that's not an excuse. he's the doctor. >> i'd like to thank our panel. more news coming up. stay with us. welcome back to "prime news" on hln. police track down a teen runway. a pastor was helping her out. she's afraid for her life, doesn't want to go back to her muslim family, says she might get killed for converting to christianity in an honor killing. should she be allowed to live away from her parents? her parents say they love her and want her back. take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. a shocking twist in the swimsuit model's murder. she could only be identified bit serial number on her breast implants. her teeth taken out, fingers cut off. her accused ex, reality show contestant ryan jenkins was just found dead in a canadian hotel room. looks like suicide but he was not there alone. apparently a mysterious blonde woman checked him in, even paid cash for the room. now cops say they know who she is. could she face charges? plus we have a new videotape recovereded just last month that shows the victim, jasmine fiore vacationing with another man. how much did jealousy play a part in all this? we'll take your calls. back with us, done clark, psychologist wendy walsh and back with us russell wetanson, legal analyst, attorney with pop squire.com. don, this mystery woman, how important is she to finding her and wrapping up this investigation? >> well, i don't know if she'll wrap it up totally but she's certainly an important part of this. what we know is she may have been the last person to see this guy alive and may have some information about that, about, jenkins and his activities and so forth that law enforcement would need to still gather evidence so that they can put this case to rest, mike. yeah, she's extremely important and i hope they do find her real quickly so they can start to talk to her. >> russell what, do we know about her actions? do we know when she lynched up with jenkins? >> there aren't a lot of details when she linked up, how she linked you. . we are under the impression she may have taken him to the motel where he was found dead. >> she paid cash, right, we know that? >> that's right. >> how long did she stay with him? did she hang out with him for very long. >> there republican a lot of details. my understanding is she went to the hotel and he never emerged. >> there's one report she's an ex-fiancee from three years ago. >> may have had an on and off relationship for three years. some reports saying she has been in love with him and probably still is. we know he also got married this year to jasmine fiore. so the status of that relationship clearly had to be on and off again. >> okay. what kind of trouble could she be in, russell? i guess it would depend on her involvement. >> there are a couple questions authorities want to ask her. one, did she know who he was. if she's in a relationship, did she know he was running from the law and knowingly help him? depending on the answers to those questions, we could see accessory to murder after the fact. this could be something that causes a lot of legal trouble for her. >> you would think so. let's bring in wendy walsh. i want to watch a video from tmz and it shows ryan jenkins. he's happy with his life. he's happy with his wife. let's watch that. and maybe you can help us understand how we got from that to where we are today. here's the video. i think we can hear him in there. let's listen. >> luckiest guy in the world right here. >> he said luckiest guy in the world there. what could lead us from that, luckiest guy in the world, happy as all get out to where we are today. >> sometimes the most passionate love, mike, can be very violent. what you have to understand about this guy, i haven't seen his mental health history. he broke up with one fiancee, very quickly met and married and perhaps annulled this one. he certainly has pore impulse control at the very least. poor impulse control when it's comorbid with high jealousy issues and a tendency toward violence can create doe messtive homicide. >> at the end of the day, was it if i can't have her, nobody can? is that his mind set? >> we don't know for sure. certainly that's one of the ways. i don't think this was a premeditated event. certainly from a mental health perspective this probably happened in a kind of rage and an out of body experience, if you will. i think like when the incredible hulk eventually transformed into something. he probably did that, and then his behavior following, if indeed it was him who you know, took away the fingerprints and the teeth was all self-preservation behavior. at that point, he's becoming conscious, having some awareness, having remorse and trying to preserve himself at this point, if in fact he did the murders and we're assuming did he. >> russell, help me out here. his history, we go back to 2007 with another woman convicted of assault. at what, anger management courses, sex an he had to deal with and also charged with battery back in april against jasmine fiore, right. >> he definitely has a history of violence against women. in canada, he was convicted of then. megan wants to be millionaire." after that marriage within a short few weeks even or a month in, april, he is accused of assaulting and committing battery against jasmine. then we have come june middle of june, july, he's parts of another vh-1 reality show. when you mix in fame and violence, it's a very dangerous suspicious strange combination. >> yeah. fame, ego, anger, violence. we'll take a quick break. we'll take your phone

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