those, senator from massachusetts that have been beaten nearly to death by a south carolina representative three days after he gave a speech talking about the importance of banning slavery. it's important the supreme court take this up, what they're concerned about then, and these members of the court care about originalism, they care about textualism, they should in fact then lean into this and understand that this applies for this moment with the former president, given he tried to provide aid and support for those people that were committing an insurrection. and certainly by the district court in colorado, they said that he participated in this and lead that effort and many people believe that to be the case. >> michelle goodwin, lots of brown covered, thank you for your expertise. it made for a rich and informative discussion. that's gonna do it for this hour, i'm charles coleman junior in fo alicia menendez, i want to thank the team at american voices, along with alicia for sitting in the seat.