>> bill barr could go down at the greatest attorney general in the history of our country or he could go down as just another guy. it depends. >> is it appropriate for the president of the united states to be putting pressure on you in the way he clearly did. >> i feel any pressure from that. >> you don't think he's trying to pressure you into going forward with the indictments and the criminal charges and stuff like that. >> no. when we talk in private, he doesn't talk like that. >> you doesn't talk to you privately. but publicly -- but is it appropriate for a president of the united states to be speaking about that about the attorney general. >> what do you think is inappropriate about what he's saying. >> so ben, why do they let him corrupt the justice department and shell for him after the fact. >> well, that is the million dollar question of this era. because as you say, we're not for republican enablers and bill