or in this case abusive conduct among american policy but his countries in what has become an that you took place. open foreign policy cries. you main mission was to make sure witnesses and you want to be ukraine got his weapons. and also led to what we're going fair to the person you're i understand that. investigating and ensure you get we all have an affinity to our their full story. homeland where we came from. to track for you coming thursday so this isn't something that can come to a conclusion in 30 days. like me i'm sure vindman has the same affinity. which is the coming floor vote. i think it inevitably has to go >> here we have a u.s. national i'll see you back here tonight security official who is after the first of the year, but 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. advising ukraine while working at this point we know the inside the white house star witness. story -- >> whoa. apparently against the let's play hardball. you think they will not vote on president's interests, and articles of impeachment until after the presidential election usually they spoke in english. year? >> no, i suspect that they'll isn't that kind of an vote on articles of impeachment interesting angle on this story? before the end of the year, >> i find that astounding and, chris. you know, some people might call good evening. i don't think that we'll see a i'm chris matthews in trial in the senate before the that espionage. washington. close of the year -- powerful new testimony from an >> i agree with you on that. >> so our ally ukraine is army lieutenant colonel who i'm just hoping we get the big somehow dealing against us? listened live to that notorious baby behind us because this thing's hot. what's the story here? july 25th conversation between let me go to the congressman for ukraine's our ally. president trump and ukrainian president zelensky. it delivers a striking blow to this question. for weeks we talked about the the president today. liz cheney called the attacks on shattering one of his main lines authenticity and completeness of of defense. the transcript, if you will, the in a sworn deposition house vindman shameful. summary of that conversation >> questioning the patriotism, investigators heard from which will be at the heart of the dedication to country of lieutenant colonel alexander this whole case. how good is the summary from people like mr. vindman, what you heard of the testimony