investigation into joe biden's son. "the wall street journal" adding, president trump pressured his ukrainian counter part to open an investigation eight times. joining me now is msnbc legal contributor katie fang, good morning, and if what is reported here is accurate, did this actually violate credible criminal law? >> sure, you can start with a number of them, interfacing with a foreign country for the purposes of trying to influence the outcome of a political outcome, gosh that sounds familiar, didn't we just deal that w-that in 2016, wasn't that the basis of the mueller report, despite trump surrogates, including rudy giuliani saying no obstruction, no collusion, we know that is not the truth. and rudy giuliani in his role is acts as personal counsel to donald trump. and rudy giuliani, if he is a lawyer, and i say the word if, if he is a lawyer, he's got ethical and professional obligations that he has to meet,