long time. if what senator murphy just said is true, that it's an organization that's in chaos, how do we then explain the kind of control it seems to have over the legislate ty agenda? >> well, i would say two things. senator murphy brings up something interesting, which i think is a misunderstanding about the nra. for the longest time i thought the nra represented, you know, half the country. we always dumb every issue down to half republicans, half democrats. that's not the case. the nra has fewer members than people realize. the numbers are not public. but their revenue is public. and based on some back of the envelope math, they seem to have several million members. obviously, that's a lot of people. but the nra does not represent every gun owner in america. the reason that's important is because you see at moments like this that you have incredibly high across-the-board support for background checks.