windbreaker after an exhausting day in new york, in case you're wondering why he's busting from ervie ted heights to toledo, that's because romney's path to the white house is facing one giant obstacle. here's a hint. it's round on the sides and high in the middle. case in point, the latest new york times/abnews poll ging est a n-t ino. the fourth poll to give the incumbent a wide advantage in the state. and enough for abc news to move the state's crucial 18 electoral votes out of battleground staters toean obama. and as we now ow del's in the details with romney failing to make the sale on almost any issue, including the economy where he's at a six-point deficit to the president. six points on the economy? tt rney kha. trouble. and in a brand new ad, one reason is clear, as romney plays face thecamera, doing his best damage control over that 47% video. >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class e difference is, my policies will make things better for them. >> and, cut. very good. that was marginally convincing. maybe a little more -- tell you what, here's an example of a politici speaking this nuauti an in bowlingreen wit come >> my opponent may think it's fair that someone who makes $20 million a year, like he does, pays a lower rate than a teacher, i disagree. i don't think that's fair. i don't think it helps grow our economy. mi t give up their deductions for owning a home or looking after their kids just to pay for another millionaire's tax cuts. we're not going to do that. >> dear me. diwe mention ohio voting starts in sidays? i'm delht to be joined now by former ohioer t strickland with us from columbus. good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon. >> governor, there is still plenty of time for mr. romney to make roads in your fair state, but why do you think he's doing so badly? is it because he had done nothing save the a industry? is it because he says he doesn't care about half the population of the country? or is it because nobody understands what he stands for outside of tax cuts? >> all of the above, martin. beginning when we found out he had a swiss bank account, investments in th caymen islands -- >> switzer land. >> outsourcer of jobs. he went on and on and on. his wife has two cadillacs, an elevator for his cars in his home. and then he says on videotape that he'tingfff the american people, just basically talking in the most disdainful way about good, hard working americans. veterans, poor people who are working their hearts out to make a living. >> governor, havei have t-- i'm sorry, i have to interrupt you because mrond mr. ryan are saying it's the president who are into social divisiveness. they are the ones splitting the countries between the have and have nots. they're the one playinghe wealthisparity card. >> well, quite the oppose. u , wsyog bere i was a political person. in psychology we say that sometimes if someone's got a problem, that they tend to talk about it in ways that isery el.tradictory to their own e fact is that mitt romney said 47% of the american people basically are free-loaders, parasites. he was talking about good, hard working, salt of the earth, ohioans, ic thta a narrative that built up over a series of months as we watched this man and watched this campaign. and that videoonfirmed for many ohioans exactly what they were thinking this man may be like. and he can say all he wants to sayboutlass arut he's the one waging it. you know, he pays 14.1% in federal income tax. the average ohioan pays more than 20% in federal income tax. >> i'm sorry, sir, you're wrong about that. vtaai an - he actuall paid 9% additional amount. >> that's right. >> -- in order to be consistent with his original promise. but, in fact, if he had been according to the letter of the requirements of the tax code, his tax rate would have been 9%. >> after he sd someo who paorax - that they were required to be would be disqualified to be the president. he gamed the system. he pretended he was paying a higher rate because he didn't take the full deductions from his charitable contribution. that's gaming the system. thiss pafor e cose f mma. having a swiss bank account, he's gaming the system. >> according to the very latest polling, the president is actually leading mr. romney on virtually every single bjec the economy, healthre sl security, immigration. the only subject mr. romney is polling better on than the president is the budget plan and his plans have been described as mathematically impossible. do you think mr. romney really thought he could fight this est noin a implylami t content of his own? do you think that was his strategy? >> well, i think that was his strategy. then he chose paul ryan and they claim to be fiscally nservative people, but paul ryan's budget that mitromney called marveus bgetould noie balance for 30 years. so, they aren't even fiscally responsible. across the board, you know, they've run a campaign that has blamed the president, blamed the president. they have no new ideas of their own. simply wto aco b agenda. more tax cuts for really wealthy people. putting an additional tax burden on working people. and looking down their noses in the most disdainful way, martin. >> yes. and i think mitt romney spoke from his heartn al ab47% of the american people basically being parasites. >> you are the psychologist, so only you can make a comment about that. but i'm so glad you mentioned paul ryan, because he wasn the trail today. and he was dispatched to colorado. where he took a question from a woman, whoak every two weeks and cannot get off welfare. here's the conclusion to his rather lengthy insubstantial answer. >> a hand up, a hand out. teach a n to fish, he can feed elr ali. don't simply feed fish. >> don't feed the fish? feed the 5,000? what is this man talking about? >> well, ari almost insultingneinsult ing answer to a serious question. there are struggling americans looking for real answers. all they're hearing from romney/ryan is tax cuts for the wealthy. let this trickle down system that's failed us in the past, let's go back to that, try it at least e more time. let's enrich our wealthy friends. anit'sotli in ohio, martin. and i don't believe it's going to sell across the country. because people understand these are difficult times. the president is working. he's got a serious agenda. he's a focused, mature man. and all they're dngs tg ea h down and make themselves an alternative. you know, they wanted to make this a referendum on barack obama. it has become a referendum on mitt romney and pl ryan. and because of that -- >> yes, sir. but in your ate, m romn ha'teeel mby local republicans, for example, governor ca governor kassic. and i want to play you a batch of back tape. take a listen. >> i hope you all know that om8 in job creation to number four. number one in the midwest. we have grown 123,000 jobs in the state of ohio. our families are going back to work. >> my heart aes f people. income's going down. every year going down, down, down. these are tough times, even for families with jobs. >> governor, it's tough, isn't it, because kasich wants toalk abt tco uptick only for romney to come in and say the state is cratering. >> romney was talking about ohio under governortaft. the recovery hadlready started because of the recovery act and to iusof thealonth and president obama doesn't credit for what's happening in ohio. but you're right, they have contradictory messages. and mt romney's coming here to ohio and trying to say everything is doom and gloom, but our economy is on the rebound and oeou in large part because our president gave us the stimulus bill, the recovery act, which enabled me and other governors across america to keep our states from falling ever deeper to a depression. and then the president inteenes the american auto industry, went out of every ght jobs in ohio is related to that vital industry. that's why the president is ten points ahead, according to "the new york times" poll, and i think is going to win ohio. rtin, no republican has ever wo t pdewit d n'in -- i don't think he has a chance of winning ohio in this election. that means the president will be re-elect for a second term. >> we should also say that unemployment in ohio now down to 7.2%. former ohio rnte stla thank you, sir, for joining us. >> hey, thank you, martin. thank you for having me. >> thank you, sir. next, is is there trouble in the romney/ryan relationship? stay with us. ans mite gnmanhe conservativism self-evident truth tax breaks for the wealthy are good for the poor. it's like the old saying, the rich get richer -- hooray! 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"the new york times" quoting a gop operative that says if ryan wants to run for office again, he'll probably have to wash the in a farce, ryan is heard referring to him running mate as stench. reportedly, he has been marching sssten cal, a joining us is jonathan capehart, washington post columnist, and ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for politico. i need to start by plang you a clip at a paul ryan rallyod whoold san get off welfare. she asks him what he should do -- what she should do. his answer is that w must grow the economy, not allow the president's welfare work requirement. then in a long, rambling answer, this is what he recommends hot hand out. teach a man to fish, he can feed himself for a life. don't simply feed fish. >> don't simply feed fish. >> that's not terribly empathetic -- or sympathetic. >>t's bonkers, isn't it 12? >> i don't know about bonkers. the poor man is stuck -- >> he's talking about feeding fish now. >> yes, he's talking about eding fish -- >> but he uses the erb,iv a fish once -- >> the problem he has is he's stuck in this mind set, in the long term a good thing to be worried about deficit and debt, anthe practice jeker to it's put this country on, but there's a woman sayi to m, onwee, wan to get off and i can't. she's looking to him -- >> she's actually working. she's earning and getting government assistance. >> clearly she doesn't want to be getting government assistance. >> no. >> what she's looking to him for lpge off government re going to assistance. he can't quite seem to get there for her. >> no. ken, paul ryan was supposed to bring bold ideas and conservatives on board. you report he was supposedo help with a small dollar dons that romney has struggled to attract but it hn'tpp. who's to blame? is it mr. ryan or the stench? >> i don't know about the stench but that's -- zhou don't think it's the stench to blame? >> i do -- >> romney? >> romney has made itficu fo ryaau r like you said, paul ryan was brought on because of these bold ideas. most namely, the ryan plan, the ryan budget proposal. and no sooner had he been brought on, mitt romney was retreating from it and paul ryan was not referring to it at all. ,itt ryan -- zoo excuse me, mitt romney was -- >> just call him the stench. >> asking him about the $716 billion in medicare cuts that the paul ryan plan would put into effect, one of the more controversial portions of it. mitt romney backtracked and said, i'm the guy rning id n i think that in a nutshell sums up the predictment of paul ryan. he can't play to his strengths. >> is it time for more republicans to stand upwind of mitt romney? >> look, i think with 41 days- re g tt to say it. i'm not saying it, martin. >> okay. >> with 41 days left in the campaign, and the grumbling we're hearing about let ryan be ryan, clearly folks have decided governor romney is beyond help. governor romney doesn't to want listen to outside forces how he can help, right his campaign, governor -- excuse , congressman ryan is someone young enough and does have bold ideas. it might not be the right ones tooi s, he has but aeast in them, that can be debated. he's young enough if the romney/ryan ticket loses in november, he still gets t return to washington, assuming he wins re-election to his seat, which most lely wi happe buhes t g b t wagton as a leader in his party, who can still take up the fight. >> ken, when people say, as jonathan jusdid, that paul ryan should be unleashed, he was unleashed before the aarp conferce where he took his 78ear-d moer hs we s w believes about medicare and they booed and abused him throughout his spee. i mean, he's off the leash there. what's wrong with that? >> well, i mean, that would be some conservatives who are arguing for more of a -- a poa romneyizing of paul as ryan. those bolder ideas, popular for some on the conservative base, definitely bold, are nonetheless going to attract some criticism, as they did in this situation. and they would, i think, probably his srtwo saat tth bad with the good. nonetheless, we're seeing very little of really a chance for him to even get to that point where his ideas are being debated on their merits. rvin a vp role.nd we should point out that's traditionally the role running mates take. he's number two. if romney loses with enhanced stature or not, i think that's when you start getting into this idea that his bra may b tt he may actually smell now. >> here's the thing. governor romney said in the "60 minutes" interview, i'm the candidate and we'll be talking about my plan we're going to release in a wild. we're still waiting on . >> jhacart vogel, thank you to both. next, team romney, union men? stay with us. >> i want to see some experienced referees with nfl experience come back onto the nfl playing fields. >> i have a lf good frs, o o m dolphins and the new york jets, both owners are friends of mine. 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