them. you know, these are two people who are clearly in alignment, and unfortunately there alignment is not really about serving the best interest of the people. so, the pick made sense, and obviously it's not helping either one of them right now. >> i need to go back to something i mentioned earlier, but it bears repeating. every publican presidential candat every one of them the cycle, turned down an offer to participate and i was black and brown presidential forum. america's oldest minority focused presidential forum. i fondly remembered participating in this forum back in 2004 when i was running for president. what are your thoughts, as a black woman from iowa, i bet these candidates refusal to take part, any of these candidates, refusing to take part in this bipartisan event? >> yeah, you know, it's a dishonor, and it's a disservice. not only to blacks, but it's a