the way they should? >> it is a target and a cudgel for people who don't have access. states, places like new york, california, people who have means are going to be able to access the care that they need. but this yet again is a punishment for people who are low-income folks, people of color, who are just trying to make the same decisions for their lives, the kind of family they want and for their families as everyone else. and yet again, abortion bans joins a litany of other things that happen in this country that do not give access and opportunity for people to fulfill their potential, and it's shameful. >> amy, you said something in the "new york times" that i'm going to quote. in no other area of medicine would politicians consider preventing doctors from using a standard procedure. can you go ahead and expand on that? >> yes. i think what we see and abortion