under 1 year of age. you and i, mothers of small children, it's hard to fathom that. and there were many children under 5 -- >> it's impossible. >> -- under 12 that were separated during that period. and in the larger program, we know there were over 100 children under the age of 5 separated. >> i mean, it just sends chills down your spine, thinking about it. so, what did the trump administration do with this information? did they ever set a minimum age once they implemented their zero tolerance policy? >> they did not set an actual minimum age. what happened is this memo never even got sent to the main justice officials in washington. a man named john bash, who's a western district of texas u.s. attorney -- today is actually his last day on the job, coincidentally -- he's resigning. but he asked his staff to come up with these guidelines. but he said he never sent them over to main justice because he didn't want to recommence the conversation and start talking about family separations again. so, as a result, they never