>> rose: welcome to t broadcast. tonight we continue our vacation scheduley looking at the pple who came to this table in 2009 with something to say about their passion an their wo and their life. our bject tonight, hot. tse people in the media glare. they e joe scarborough. >> at our morning desk we get lot of the p fakers in the country and the world. and it is --. > rose: who wouldn't be thrilled to do at. >> rose:nd is that a more imptant role for you th say being a- wellwhat, like a senator fromlorida. >> there's no doubt. >> ros evan williams, the founder of twitter. >> the desire to connect with other peoplesocially is a big one. and i think tat's why social networks in geral are very powerful. that's what peoe care about billion almost more thn anything else. >> rose: rahm emanuel, chief of staff at the whi house. >> the white house was a place to make that most immediate change. and i cannot thi of a better person towork for and help him see through his agea than predent obama. >> rose: in an hour w call hot, those people i the media glar, joe scrborough, evan willis theounder of twitter and chief staff athe white house, rahm emanl. when we contie. funding forharlie rose has been prided by the following: >> rose:dditional funding for arlie rose was also provided by these funders captioning spsored by rose counications froour studios in new york city, this is chare rose. joe srborough is here. he is the host of morning joe, the msnbc program that is attracting a growing flowing. "newsweek" magazine compared the broadcast toomething like a seous minded evening show still weang his bathrobe and slippers you like that. ere is a look at morning joe. >> david gergen o has been around a f presidents, republican and demoat alike, hashad positi this to say about president obama. but he faults him in the way he's run the ministration th far. >> yeah. >> in what ways. >> he sd a really interesting thin he said obama needs t appoint a reay good mager for the stimulus package that that money hasn't gotten spent fast enough. isn't mr. biden doing i that. >> hsaid that under fdr fdr had managers more in charge of the tim lus who didn't have otr responsibilies and got pore done moreuickly. >> do you alize there are conservatives, rublicans that we, you are our magazine. >>e are very polar in the military we get a lot of soldiers reading u and a lot of mail from them and hear back fom a lotf them. >> okay. just saying ce in a while, well actually you d pj o'rourke the '80s. there was a conservati guy. had some great aicles. >> i tnk consvatives like to read us to disagree witus. >> that'sight. i, just like withthe new yor times", i buy two copies, one to rd and one to burn in my backyard after i finish readi it. >> rose: befo he broke into television, joe scaorough was a republican congressman from florida from 1994 to 2001. he recently mped out a comeback stregy not for hielf but for the gop. the book is called the last best hope storing conservatism a america promise. am pleased to have him back at th table. lcome. >> sry you had to bring m >> i eny hearing the stories abt the ball girl lastime here. (laughter) >> rose: hoare you differentoday? >> you kno ihink -- i think i know now in 2009 what i did't know in 1995. >rose: i hope so. >> and ironically,'m counselling my liberal democratic friends, sayi just relax. you know, i tought 1995 wh we conservatives took over congrs, we owned the world. that we could pass whever we wanted pass through the house. he senate would confirm it. it would go to t white ouse, be signed ad it would be law and what iound out was james madion was a pretty smart guy. we darted further right than amera was ready to go. and you had moderate republicans and democra in the senate. it sort of cseled off the edges of tha agenda. the same thing'sappening now. and demrats have gone t far left. they ent too much money. they're movingaster than the middle omerican litical thought is ready to go. and they' learning the same lesson. >> re: are they doing that because it is their ideaologicallace or are they doinghat because they look athis economic crisis a they are pullng all the strings they know. >> listen, what barack obama is doing is whatonald reagan tri to do in 1981. what bill clinton tried to do in 1993. and the first year, they have lookeat history. and you ve a honeymo period. you try to get as much done asuickly as you can get donbecause you knowafter the first year, it's a long, hard slog so that is what he is trying to do. but the probleis what america wants hm to do is focus on as mikebarnacle says, three things jobs, jobs and jobs. t also barack obama is limid by what happened over the past eight years. >> george w. bush athe republican congress ran the debt up about $11 trillion. rack obama's fit budget was ver expensive, it doubled the debt. his projectis, and americans just aren' ready to go that far >> rose: the book "resting cservatism in america's promise" basically isn indictment othe bush ainistration. >> well, yeah. i mean it's --. >> rose: from main seet conservei. >> it is an iictment of republicanism. it an indictment of people being morenterested in keeping theepublican party in power thandoing what they said ty were going to do when ey get to washinon. i mean we t elected in 1994 by saying we'reoing show restraint. we're going to show restraint in spending. we're going tory to balance the bget. >>ose: contract in erica. >> we are ing it to not engage in mitary adventureis, show restraint in entitle -- entitlements. and we did that. we pasd well fare rorm, we balancedhe budget. we didry to restraihat military adventurism. you look at the bus adnistration, onll three of thos counts they take $155 bilon surplus, they turn iin to $1 trillion deficit. they take an entitlement system, medicare especially that is going bankrt, ey d a $7 trillion ability to it, the medica drug benefit an. and i think most damaging to this country home and abroad theyake colin powell's rublicaniew of how wee supposed to conducturselves on an international stays, u know, the powell doctrine, the winebaer doctrine, we talkedbout this before, we showestraint abrd. we don't go battle unless it's the last possible opon. but when we gocan --. rose: but then go with full force with the plic hind it. > a as colin powl said when weo to war, we don't want a far fight tony said he wrota me sayi don't go into iraq unless yoare going to have 50,000 troops. if you don't go i with full force, we're going to have a meson our hands. heredicted it. >> rose: right. >> and a lot of the smar generals that ha been in iraq before pricted it. fosome reason donald rumsfeld didn't nt to listen to the generals th won t first iraq war. and insteade decide we're going to win th war on the cheap. charlie, there's nothing conservative about tha there's nothing consertive about spining th country in debt. there is nothing conservative about putti us $7 millon in debt in entitlement that not conservative. >> rose: is tony and colin powell the more repuican you identify with than say newt girich? >> well -- (laughter) >> let me put it thisway. let me put this wa. , i'm going to put this way. newt gingrich can win statewide eltions in georgia. colin powe can win statewide elections in coecticut. we don't have colin powells or tony zinnis in r party any more. ll, wve got a few, olympia snowee. >> rose: she wasery good this morning >> so good othe show but for evyone that wants to kick colin powell out ofhe party, i say d really think --. >> ros that is rush imbaugh, isn't it. >> well, it i a lot of people. i went out on my bok tour and i was ying to explain to peoe, if you want to be a naonal party aga, you got to win a seaor two in newngland. and let me te you sothing, people who lk ke me and talk like me from the uth, we're probably not going to do well in northeast harvard maine. colin powell wh. olympia snee will tony snow ll. >> i just thr that out there. i own northeast. i'm su it would be just le the book tour. vote for him. >> okay, if youay so, okay i will vot for him. but they kicked colin pell out of the party is insane. i learned on the book tour t is fascinating saking in new england. hi lot of people comeup me, a lot of older gentleman, especially come up to and say i useto vote for republicans when they were lke yu. i said'm really conservative. >> yeah. >> rose: . >> i'mike a libertian i'm so conservave. >> no, no, no, no. you're not a har. and what i alized on this book tour, twothings. one good, o bad. the good thing ishat moderate its, eve people left of cent will listen to you if you don't come to em and tell them barack obama say counist and sonia sotomayor is aracist. they will lsten to you and you cahave a debate on philosophy. >> rose: who said at sotomayor was a racist. >> i foet now. i played a lot of football, charlie. a l ofepublicans said she was racist. >> rose: me of your friends. >> sadlyn the other side, you call themy friends. say, on the otheride, like hard-core republicans. >> rose: ght. >> let me ju tell you. i wi say it right her are not as conservati as me. certainly not on spendin certainly t on military adventurism. lot of these people wouldn listen to me because i didn't cal ama a communi. cause i didn't call sotomayoa racist. i mean style has lot to do. i me there are some people -- on the hardight and hard eft that expect to seeing aner and expect u to play hardba. and if you d't, you you're not a real conservative or progresse. >> rose: on the queson that rolling stone was talking about, leadership. >> yh. >> rose: back obama, six months, how do you aess theeadership first. >> it is, you kn, it's a split decision for me. foreign policy, i couldn't expect more. >> se: same thing jimmy ker said. >> dihe? on foreign policy he's the first realist we'v had in the white hous, at least judging by his aksver the irst sick mons since bu 41. he -- he takes all the information in. heoesn't dart wildly right or left. sure, his rhetoric is a bit morerogressive. but that's his rhoric. in realitye is, he is the first realist at lea over the first six months. domestically i -- i don't think he's shown leadership all. and i say that because i've been ver disappointed. i have been disappointed . >> re: because he is ving too much power to congress. >> actly. he turn td the stimulus pkage over to nancy pell osoy. the biggest bill in the history of this country, the biggesspending bill, ye emember he set up david axelrod and larry summers. went up to t hill. th said this is our outne which was anoutline that a lot of republicans said we could live wit that. and coress told him no. nanc pelosi no, we're to the goi to be bipartisa 're in power now. and larry summers came out and said message receed. they turned it or to nancy pelosi and --. >> rose: part of at also was a action, perhaps a overreaction to at clinton had done on alth care. >> right. u got to be reful also speaking of jimmy cter and tip o'neill. one of t reasons why tip o'neill didn't like jimmy cart is because he didn't believe the new president, this freshacerom plains, georgia, wshowing him proper respect >> ros so many presidents co to washington, especially if they ve been governors, somehow they wan to be perceiveas an outsider. >> uh-hu >> rose: and at me point someone lps them understand in orr to get bills passed, in order t be an effective force, u have to have some relationship not accommodion to the way washingtoworks. >> exactly. dow have to. >> rose:ou understand th. >> you do haveo accommodate. e president has to deal witcongress, no doubt about it. buyou start with the smulus package and i think anotheristake cap and trade. nancy pelosi pulled barack obama ito the ca andrade debate. debate he shouldn't have been puld in to if health care really was his number one agenda ite he got pulled into that mess. anthere's been aot of noise lding up to health care. so by the time he ts to health care, he's upside down on the deficit deficit. he's upside down on the size of feder government's growth. he upside down on the poll mbers on a lot of issues that's making his joa lot me difficult right now. rose: you think public option is a d idea in health-care reform? >> i thin so, yeah. >> rose: you like the op rative idea? >> well, se, do. the problem is, for the president --. rose: tell me, governor. >> well, no,i -- if you want tknow the truth, there's nothin in the constitution, charl --. >> rose: i do wanthe truth. i'm going to tell you the truth. you wanthe truth. you can't handle the tru. we don't have to-. >> rose: thank y, jack. >> we don't have to do everything i 2009. >> rose: youere a marine pilot. >> i'm a constituonal laer. i know the cstitution forward and backyd and i can te you as a guy without --. >> rose: floda. >> book toon law clas i know of what i sak. theris nothing in the constituon that says you have to get everything done 2009. >> rose: thereou go. >> he doesn't have -- to swallow --. >> rose: but you said political realy is you need to do as much as you cabecause you have less effectivens afterwards so you have two competing ideas running head on at each other. >> the pblem is this president has burned thrgh a remarkle amount of potical capital over the irst six months. >> rose: has he really. >> yeah, he h brauses his popularity is still high and ch popul than his sition. >> yea i'm just taing abut any big spending bill, he's going have me proems. i thinkreally the best thing hean do right now, if i we advising him, and of course i'm not, i would say agessively g aft consum proctions. taking care preexisting conditions. allowing ks to stay on insurance until they are 25 26. >> rose: a do something about foreclosures an all of that. >> all of that. focus on consumer prottion. get as muc as you can get now and wh the economy turns arou in 2011, then go back. >> rose: what's goinon in red state america? >>here's anger out ther right now. >rose: about? >> the economic condition of the countrynd b is it more pulist. >> you know, it is just a --. >> re: a sense that e you goingout those people on wall reet and to the bailing out us. >> go back to '92 and '9 there's so much that reminded me of '92, '93. you kno bill clinon w in 1992 becau, you know, we hit theeset button on the economy. we went from an industrial age. we were transformg into an information age. take three or fou years until we get tre. and so bill clion dealt with that ange en he didn't respond the way people wanted him to respond in 1993 and he struck tm as a traditional liberal, who rose,oss perot. d suddenly you had these, what was it, up with america, or up with peoe,hatever pet's group w called millions of people got involved in the pitical process in '94. the same thingas happened here. we' hit the resetbutton. we're not going to be an onomy that is mad driven by consumerism. so people elect the agent of change, barack oba in 2080. what theve seen in 2009 has been a traditional leral, deck cratic pproach. and so i think there's some anger out the. it's not, listen,it's not overwhelming yet. it's certaly not like it was with billlinton in 1994. but ceainly the warning signs are there for th obamadministration. ey need to respond well in thenext six month rose: how have you changed? i meanou explain to me how you thk how you see the world. but u, haseing in the center of is media thing, is it diffentk than potical attention? i mean is it less, is i more is it more coortable? >> it's a lot more funot having to wake up at 5:00 every morningnd saying what your local newspar's writing about you. >> rose: or spending aot of time on thehone raising money. >> that, oh, yeah, no, this is -- th is -- but y know what, thoug charlie, my,he show, is like, we talked about this fore. >> rose:ight. >> you and i, les not tell our bosses, we're t luckiest guyin the world. >> rose: i know. wants because at this desk and at our morning desk we get a t of the top --n the untry and the world. anit is -- whoouldn'te thrilled to do that. >> rose: and is th a more important role for you than saying about a -- well, like, like a senator from florida. >> ere is no doubt. >> rose: a more important frorl you thaneing a senator of flora. syou say to the people of florida i canest serve you not by running for elected office but by running morning jo thank god i don't have to say thato the people of for chlt all i have too is talk to myife and see how she. >> rose: how does she vote on that. >> she wants m to stay out of politis. >> rose: thais the reason yoleft, was it,ostly. >> well, no, i had two boys that --. >> rose: that is what i an, family. >> yeah, yeah, fami. but you know >> rose: now you have larger famy. > they just keep growing. i got 47 kids now. but you know --. >> rose: stting with willie. >> yeah, exacy. he is our troubled child, starting at 5:30 every morng, you got to wakep d see if he is doing all right. but you ow, i had se republicans approach me, asked me if would be interestedn running for senate this year. >> rose: sure. >> and i called a coup of political frnds that i respect. d everybody had the same concluon. you have a l more influence, you have aot more reach and you e havi a lot more fun doi wh you do every morng than you would ing the 99th or 9100thsenator in the minoty in senrity. >> rose: evan williams he, the ceo and co-founder of twitter. it one of the fastestit growing ses on the internet. ttter combines social tworking with a newrend called microblging. ers communicate using a maximum of 140 characters, though less than 3 yea old, twitter las an estimated 6 million users. on-line communicatio is something williamknows a lot out. efore twitter he founded blogerom, one of the most. lar bloging platrms. i amvery pleased to hav him on this vis to san fncisco to join us at this table for e first time. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: great to have you here. pleasure to be here. >> rose: why do you think twter has had this extraordinary rt of, not only growth, but popularity and visibility and tk. >> it's something toell you the truth, that can't fully explain. i me i think the product's great. i think it's compelling. e level of attentionhas been a little surpring. >> rose: all of want you on our show, a magazines want to write about you. all newspapers want to profile you. i think twitter cbines a lot of -- it distills a lot of what makes e internet exciting to a very simple form. anit's about people connecting. and it really provides people with a new way to communicate that didn't exist. and my co-foder likes to say it givess a way that we didn't know we needed >> rose: exactly right. >> and it feels very natural. once you have it it's like well this is a perfect complent to everythin else >> rose: explain how it work >> it's very sple. although not obvious. what you do is you send an date or a tweet as theye co to be known. >> ros first you have to join the site and first a by joining theite, you he access to what? >> you have access to a few million people's tets, whoever you wa to tap into d keep up with. >> rose: yh. >> andhey're not even all people. they're coanies. they're sports teams, th're media organizations. and friends and people you may just want to know about. >> roseso if i want to senout tweets, if i'm joining, i'm a mber and want to nd out twes i can choose. >> yochoose. so it is diffent tha-- it looks lot like aocial network but it's atually fundantally different in how the relationship structures work. >rose: explain. >> so a social networkike facook being the classic example is about finding -- encapsulating realorld connections with whe we know each other. we say we're fries on the soes soci network and then we can communicate and it's twway. twitr is anacin cron us relationship mod. so i can be interest in you and you are sending uptes. u don't know who the heck i am. or you jusdon't care about my uates. and you