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payment of $130,000 made to stormy daniels and the $150,000 paid to karen macdougall. then they'll move to the defense and talk about michael cohen and stormy daniels and how they had an ax to grind. they'll say this was legal fees. this was an attorney that worked for donald trump for a very long time and donald trump didn't know what michael cohen was doing with stormy daniels and karen macdougall in arranging these payments. and then onto that first witness we are learning is david pecker, who sat above ami for almost two decades and helped arrange those payments to karen macdougall. they'll talk about the white house meeting in 2017 when david pecker visited donald trump as he was the president of the united states. it is going to be a jam-packed

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donald trump and michael cohen, they arranged the catch-and-kill scheme that led to karen macdougall to be paid $150,000 to not bring her story to the election. but also david pecker was the one who ordered his team to contact michael cohen about the stormy daniels' story and the fact that stormy daniels a month before the 2016 election was prepared to go to the national public and have her story printed in the national enquirer. that is when michael cohen arranged $130,000 to stormy daniels to keep her quiet. david pecker could be a very crucial witness, and he will be the first one out of the gate to set up 2015 all the way into 2017. the district attorney's office is prepared to bring evidence

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

remember, it was a grand jury that indicted donald trump in this case. and in this indictment he is quoting the first count the grand jury accuses the defendant of falsifying business records in the first degree. the defendant on or about february 14, 2017, attempted to defraud and conceal another crime by falsifying business records of an enterprise. the remaining 33 counts in this indictment count each monthly payment and invoice falsely describing a request for legal services, falsely describing the payment as one for legal services, also falsely describing the nature of the payment. 11 falsified invoices, 11 falsified ledger entries and 12 falsified checks. temidayo, they're jumping right into the details. what stands out to you from how the prosecution is framing all this, the narrative they are creating right now. >> i think they're doing exactly what caroline said, about the upside down pyramid. they started broad and they're

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

prove the case beyond all possible doubt. the proof must be beyond reasonable doubt. unbelievable to think what the jury in this courtroom, guys, is going to hear over the next four to six weeks. we're getting word -- we don't have confirmation in our own reporting on this, but "the new york times" reporting that david pecker is going to be the first witness to take the stand after opening statements. the timing of that we don't know considering it's going to be a short day. david pecker, as you well know, stood over the head of ami for over two-plus decades. he had a meeting with michael cohen back in 2016 talking about the possibility of stormy daniels coming forward. he then visited the white house in 2017 as well. he had a longstanding relationship with the former president. so certainly his testimony is going to be integral to the prosecution's case, guys. >> keep us posted, yasmin. i want to bring in chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

his new york business records over and over and over again. what matthew kol anglo, the prosecutor, is presenting to this jury is a case that begins in the summer of 2015 when he lays out that david pecker was invited to trump tower along with michael cohen. at that meeting, those three men formed a conspiracy. prosecutor lays out that michael cohen ultimately paid $130,000 to stnls to silence her and make sure the public did not learn about the sexual encounter. he made the payment at the direction of the defendant, donald trump who paid him back through a series of checks and reimbursement in 2017. so this for the first time inside of this courtroom, the words have been spoken to the jury that donald trump, the defendant, had ordered for $130,000, payment to be made to

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

checks he made to michael cohen in 2017, he had full knowledge of what he was paying michael cohen for. >> maya, the importance for the prosecution of bringing the jurors back to that 2016, what was happenings and why that's so important. >> so, so important because they have to show intent, right? that's the agreement to conceal with the intent to unlawfully interfere in the election. that's their case, and it was october 7th, 2016 that access hollywood comes out. the very next day, donald trump, cohen, michael cohen and hope hicks are on a call together. i mean, the proximity to that and what we know that michael cohen's going to say about being directed and what he was directed to do from the beginning, that's why all of these things and then october 26th, this is the donald trump

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

individual who he had discussed the exact specifics of the reimbursement plan for the stormy daniels payment. so essentially they're going to be able to present to the jury michael cohen's story of his conversation with allen weisselberg and how in 2017 he would be reimbursed $35,000 checks for the payment that he was personally making of $130,000. michael cohen is also going to testify that the amount that he was reimbursed was actually more than doubled, which hits at the heart of the prosecution's argument to the jury that this shows just how important it was to donald trump to cover this up, and so allen weisselberg is the other individual who michael cohen says was involved in that conversation, but because allen weisselberg is at rikers and unwilling to testify as a witness, this is hitting at the heart of an issue for the defense team for donald trump here and one that the district

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

the story you just heard you will learn is not true. he is suggesting that invoices, the ones that donald trump even signed, those personal reimbursement checks in 2017 to michael cohen, they went through a process that ultimately just required the signature of donald trump himself, and that he thought that he was doing legal services that michael cohen was doing legal services on behalf of him suggesting that michael cohen was his long-time lawyer and that well in the white house, despite the obvious relationship that he had with michael cohen, he was signing the checks for the rendering of legal services. he is now just in realtime beginning to get to some of those specifics to dispute what we heard from the prosecution, but todd blanche making it clear that he intends to present to the jury that the story that they are presenting is untrue and that there's going to be reasonable doubt about donald trump's guiltiness at the conclusion of this several week trial. >> yeah, i mean, chuck, blanche

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

you may be getting into the role of describing what the law is which is the judge's province. it's safe to refer back to the indictment to go to the charges the jurors will be voting on. >> vaughn, the jurors have already heard about david pecker early on. >> reporter: so early on. this really is the initial meeting just two months after donald trump announced his candidacy as he was rising in the polls in august 2015, the meeting between david pecker, michael cohen and drop, where they concocted a scheme to try to silence stories like drop's alleged affairs. i also want to emphasize the point that the prosecutors started off with explicit statement that donald trump directed the $130,000 payment to michael cohen. this hits at the heart of the extent to which donald trump was aware before the 2016 election and even as he was reimbursing michael cohen in 2017 about what

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mistakes in the way that they're prosecuting the war. so it is important for them to continue to use the word anti-semitism some to call this out and to, and to leave space for people to have legitimate protest against the actions of as dana said and elected government in the middle east. the other thing i would, i would add here is don't forget, as we mentioned, charlottesville, i mean, that was a big motivating factor for president biden to get into the race in 20 the 19 and 2020, what he saw in charlottesville, i can tell you having been there with him at that time, he was incredibly horrified by what he saw and in many of the same ways that dana was just raising really put it for him. he really put it in a historical context that this is an incredibly frightening dangerous thing that snowballs and what we saw on display in charlottesville in 2017 was was a really pernicious and horrible thing that can very quickly spiral out of control in society. so this issue of

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