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31 minutes past the hour right now. so good to have you with us. we re following the breaking news this morning. texas health officials have now confirmed a second case of ebola here in america. if confirmed by the cdc, this will be the ffrt time the deadly virus has been trans mitted inside the united states. and here s what we know. just to get you updated here. the infected patient is a health care worker in dallas who did treat thomas eric duncan. duncan died wednesday after contracting the virus in liberia. according to texas health officials, the worker reported a low fever friday night and was isolated for testing. the hospital confirmed the preliminary test results overnight and said this we knew a second case could be a reality and we re preparing for the possibility and we re broadening our team and working with extreme diligence to prevent further spread. they re trying to identify anyone who may have been exposed at this point. elizabeth cohen has been in dallas covering the fight against ebola. she joins us now by phone. elizabeth, as we get to you, we just received this note that the cdc will hold a news conference today regarding the ebola case in dallas. no exact time set. but a cdc spokesperson says the presser will follow after we complete testing in our lab later today. so let s talk about the testing that we note happened in austin, this preliminary test, and the difference as it heads over to the cdc. you know, victor, it s really the same test. so the state does its own test and then not necessarily the exact same test but it s just to verify that texas got it right. we have no reason to think that texas would get it wrong. when you get a positive result, you can t be absolutely sure that it s right. but i think we can be pretty confident this is right. okay. so one of the things we ve been talking about this morning that is going to be so imperative to pinpoint is the date of contact. whether this is a person, a hospital worker who was trans transmitted with this zediseasen thomas duncan s first trip to the e.r. on the 25th of september or and was then sent home. or afterwards when he was brought back by ambulance own the 28th and believed at that point then to have ebola. how does that determination change the response? once we know when this person had contact with duncan, then we can know we can start to think about what went wrong. so if this person had con tabta after the hospital knew it was ebola, that is much more concerning. because then you want to know, wait a minute, didn t they have that health care worker wear protective gear? if they did, well then with went wrong with that protective gear? why was it put on the wrong way? did they take it off the wrong way? so if it was contracted after they knew he had ebola, that is particularly concerning. so we know from this news release from the texas department of state health services that people who had contact with the health care worker after symptoms emerged will be monitored based on the nature of their interactions. we know initially there was the quarantine. and they re still under quarantine, those still very close to thomas eric duncan. give us an idea of the transition now from just this monitoring to possibly more people being quarantined. how will that decision be made? certainly more people will be monitored. we are hoping that this list of contacts, the new case s contacts will be very short. because this health care worker was instructed for quite a while now, take your temperature. if it is elevated, isolate yourself. you re only you can only transmit the disease to someone once you re sick. so hopefully this health care worker realized he or she was sick and isolate ed themselves immediately which will make for a very short contact list. so that s what we re hoping. now whether or not they quarantine people in the end has much to do with how much they trust people. so, for example, duncan s family would have been quarantined and that s because they were concerned that this family wasn t trustworthy, wasn t able to be monitored in the way that they wanted to monitor them. so a lot of this has to do with how much you trust the contacts. do you think that they are monitoring themselves and are willing to be monitored in the way they should be monitored? all right. cnn senior health correspondent elizabeth cohen, thank you so much. we want to bring in our panel with the second case of ebola being reported from that texas hospital. we re getting this from texas officials. we re starting to see the outbreak of the virus in the u.s. i think that is far too early to use that word. a question a lot of people are asking, how ready are u.s. hospitals to deal with this? let s go to dr. william schaaper in, chairman department of preventable medicine from vanderbilt and dr. david sanders from purdue university. we would like to hear from you both this morning. what is your confidence level when it comes to how prepared u.s. hospitals are to treat an ebola patient if it were to go to them? actually, i m very confident. and if anything, this event in dallas has given all hospitals once again a wakeup call and has been a lesson. hospitals are out there reviewing their infection control policies and procedures. they re training their personnel in how to use the protective gear that we would employ in the context of an ebola patient. and we re conducting drills. we at vanderbilt have had a fake ebola patient come in to our emergency room and then transferred to our intensive care unit. we all took notes during the process. you always learn something during drills. and so hospitals, even those in relatively remote areas now took a lesson from dallas and said, you know, that could happen here. so i think we re all increasingly aware and able to manage such patients. does that mean that glitches still couldn t occur? of course they could. these patients present with nonspecific symptoms but we have to be alert and everyone who presents with a fever, ask two simple questions, it s low tech. no cost. dr. sanjay gupta is joining the conversation. sanjay, your reaction to this second case and it being transmitted from thomas eric duncan not to one of the four people under quarantine, but a health care worker at this hospital. it represents the first time, as you have been talking about, that ebola has now spread from person to person in the united states. that s what we ve been talking about in spain over the last several days. there s going to be a lot of questions and hopefully some of the questions will be answered at 8:30. but as he was saying, the question about what exactly this health care worker came in contact with mr. duncan, was this someone who came in contact with him at his first the first time he went to the hospital? and was turned away? was it someone that came in contact with him at the second visit when he was admitted but before hes with diagnosed with ebola? or is this a health care worker that came in contact with him after he was officially diagnosed? those are three different scenarios completely. if it was the third scenario, that i think raises more concern. that person at that point should have been using the full protective gear, all the protocols to keep this nurse safe. again that, is something that clearly we need to know. also this i think this is sort of a new thing that is happening now with regard to ebola. we re going to see this more and more and likely to see more cases in the united states as well. i think it represents glitches. but it is the way that things seem to be moving with patients being able to travel around the world. if you have cases of ebola in other countries outside of west africa, these protocols in terms of anybody arriving with the fever to the emergency room, it s going to raise the level of safety and concern when these patients come in. sanjay, let me ask you this. we know that the two outside cases that came to us from west afri africa, they were treated at emory university hospital. do you think there is a possibility that this case could be transferred and taken care of at emory? at the end of the day, emory is the hospital in the u.s., the only one that had a success rate with treating ebola at this point. it s a fair question. everything that we know about ebola and obviously we re learning more and more is that you shouldn t need a hospital like an emory or like a nebraska to do this. it s for the most part managing someone s fluids. they tend to lose a lot of fluids. they become very dehydrated. you have to give the fluids and make sure that the electrolights in the body are staying within their normal range as well. those are very basic techniques. obviously, you look at just what happened and you say dr. brantley survived. mr. duncan did not. should we read into that further and assume that other hospitals around the country besides an emory or a nebraska cannot take care of these patients? i don t think so. keep in mind that this is still a very deadly disease. in west africa, the mortality rates are 60%. i think it is better in the united states. they re not going to be zero. i think no matter where somebody is. david sanders, associate professor of biological sciences at purdue university, considering some of the missteps that happened at texas presbyterian, also that this is a health care worker who contracted this virus this disease at the hospital working with this patient, is it more or less likely or is it a factor at all in deciding if he or she will be treated at this hospital or another? i want to two things, the treatment that this patient could receive in dallas or in emory is probably equivalent. the question is about containment. this is something that i think is very important to think about. the training required to acquire the adequate carefulness, cautio caution to make sure that containment is occurring, that training has to be very rigorous. and i do not actually think that all of the hospitals in the united states are ready to train their workers in that fashion. i think that it really should be more focused effort that there are particular places where that training can take place and they really should be the centers for treatment because of the containment issue, not necessarily because of the treatment issue. okay. thank you so much to dr. sanjay gup gupta, dr. william schaaper in and elizabeth cohen. we appreciate you taking time for us this morning. we re back in just a moment. whenwork with equity experts who work with regional experts who work with portfolio management experts that s when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration. i remember when i wouldn t give a little cut a second thought. when i didn t worry about the hepatitis c in my blood. when i didn t think twice about where i left my razor. hep c is a serious disease. take action now. go to hepc.com or call 1-844-444-hepc to find out how you and your doctor can take the next step towards a cure. because the answers you need, may be closer than they appear. once there was a girl who even in her laundry room. with downy unstopables for long-lasting scent. and infusions for softness. she created her own mix, match, magic. downy, wash in the wow. and it can only enter the body through direct contact with cuts or abrasions on the skin or through the eyes, nose, mouth, throat, or reproductive organs. people can also get infected when eating meat from or coming in contact with contaminated animals. the virus can survive several hours in a dried state on door knobs or counter tops. if the fluid remains wet and at room temperature, it can survive for days outside the body. most people get it through contact with bodily fluids of patients or the deceased. but when is someone with ebola actually contagious? the short answer, when they start to show symptoms. the symptoms can take two to 21 days to kick in. in other words, a person can kra travel and inact with people for days or weeks without passing on the virus. the average incubation period for the vie us have eight to ten days. early symptoms, fever, weakness, muscle pain, headache and soar throughout are mistaken from the flu, malaria or typhoid fever but then there is vomited, bloody diarrhea, skin rashes and purple spots on the skin. once the symptoms set in, the person can contagious and has six to 16 days to either beat the virus or die. the death rate is high, 50% to 90% chance of death depending on the strain and access to medical care. if an infected patient with a strong immune system gets proper care the chance of surviving goes up. but if they survive the virus could remain in the semen for up to three months. if you survive, you have immunity for ten years but what is still unknown if you re immune from other strains of ebola. answers and questions for a frightening thank you so much. obviously we are keeping a very close eye on this new confirmed case of ebola in dallas this morning. we ve learned this morning that a health care worker who treated thomas eric duncan has now contracted the virus. we know you have a lot of questions, so don t forget to use the #ebolaq & a. we re getting answers to your questions now that the second case has been diagnosed, the first transmitted inside the u.s. e financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise if you were a denture? 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reporter: well, you know, it could force the iraqi government to ask for more assistance. at this point while they have asked for more technical help, they haven t said yes, we want combat troops on the ground. and one of the problems with sending in more u.s. troops is there are only so many of these iraqi units that they trust. so for every group of advisers that you might consider putting forward with an iraqi unit in the field, you also have to think about how are you going to protect those advisers from possible insider attacks. we know that many of the iraqi units, according to the pentagon analysis, are infiltrated by both sunni loyalists who might have al qaeda or isis sympathies and also with shiite militia loyalists. so it makes it that much harder to help the iraqis drive these forces back. right, i know, because there s so much mistrust. but let s talk about one piece of land that is very close to baghdad and that is the baghdad airport. we know that u.s. apache helicopters operate from that airport, so as we hear that isis is moving toward that area, would that be would that change the equation if isis were to get their hands on the airport itself? it would. it would make it very difficult to resupply baghdad. it would also mean that those apache helicopters might have to be moved to another location that s more secure, like the northern air base of belad which would limit their ability to help protect the city. but i do want to inject a little skepticism into this in that isis is a force estimated in total at 20,000 to 30,000 strong. baghdad is a city of roughly 6 million people. it s densely packed, so while, yes, there are cells inside the city that have been carrying out some deadly, horrific car bombings, it s much harder to picture the entire city falling to such a small force. i would think you might see neighborhood by neighborhood fighting at one point, but then you ve got to ask what is the iraqi government going to do in return. at that point they will probably ask for a lot more assistance. isn t that the big question, because i think everybody would look at this situation and think that we ve already underestimated this group, and i guess it s just going to take some time to figure out exactly how much we have done so or that the u.s. and the world globally has done so. kimberly dozier, we appreciate it. thank you so much. we re going to get to the top of the hour pretty soon here and we are following breaking news this morning. a new confirmed case of ebola in dallas. the first case transmitted here inside the u.s. we ll have more on this coming up. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me. zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. thank you. ordering chinese food is a very predictable experience. i order b14. i get b14. no surprises. buying business internet, on the other hand, can be a roller coaster white knuckle thrill ride. you re promised one speed. but do you consistently get it? 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property call breaches or perhaps a training breach. that s a breach that can spread across many other workers. so we re looking to see what these two health care workers had in common and the way they interabilitied with mr. duncan. we ll have, we ll probably announce some of those findings on the national call later today with from tdoctor frieden. it looks like we could have a situation with the breach occurred as a procedure for many people. that s it just means they did it the same way these people did it. right. you mentioned that 75 other health care workers who treated duncan are being closely monitored. but not quarantined. how are these patients being honhon monitored? by a cdc county team that is integrated going and checking their temperature twice a day, and checking their own temperature numerous times a day and looking for any symptoms they might find and their health care workers and they ve been trained what the symptoms of ebola are. so actually turning the information in and getting into isolation nina and patient two from the time they felt a symptom were in the isolation within 90 minutes. that part is working well, but clearly the part that happened with the time they were treating thomas duncan has exposed some of the health care workers to some real risk. and, judge, i m wondering since nina got this first and patient number two got it second. do you think there was a time difference between when they were treating mr. duncan. did one treat mr. duncan earlier and the other later in the process? well, they weren t on the same shift, so, you know, a breach in protocol might be done ten times on the tenth time it leads to an infection because you get some body fluid into a mucus membrane. further, two people might show symptoms on different days because of the latent period is anywhere from 2 to 21 days. are you confident the situation is under control? i m confident that it s under control in this respect. i ve got 75 health care workers that were getting into isolation as soon as they show symptoms. therefore they re very few contacts if they become symptomic which is the only way you can catch ebola. and the 48 people in the community we ve been surveying monitoring each day are at the tail end of their surveillance. they re without fever and asymptomatic. it s bad news another person is sick but it s manageable. if you didn t come into contact with the bodily fluids of eric duncan, you don t have ebola. judge, i can t thank you enough for being with me. i know, you literally have not slept and you re working 24/7. i appreciate the time you ve taken to be with me. i appreciate it. mark potter is outside texas health presbyterian there are two paretients in isolation bei treated for ebola. what can you tell us about the latest case. good morning, jose. the judge described this as a gut shot to the hospital community hospital here at texas health presbyterian. very bad news for the hospital community. 77 people were involved in treating thomas eric duncan two presented symptoms and very worrisome the possibility there could be more as he said. what we know is this health care worker is a woman. she had worked on the team. she presented herself to the hospital yesterday complaining about fever, within 90 minutes, she was placed into isolation and tested positive results preliminarily came in last night. they ll be confirmed by the cdc today. she lives in an apartment complex alone, we re told, with a dog. the apartment complex is about three mile from the hospital in northeast dallas in an yarmt with a lot of apartment complex. police were knocking on doors and notifying neighbors, reverse 9-1-1 calls went out. they re in the process of cleaning the outside area of the apartment, the common area. we re told that the clean up inside the apartment with a specialized crew will occur sometime this afternoon. meantime, those 75 other workers are waiting to see if they present any symptoms. as you can imagine, it s a very anxious time here with the hospital community. and the hospital has said that isolation areas will be made available for those people who wish to wait out this time period away from their families to prevent the possible spread that way. so it s a very, very concerning time here. the only slightly the only good news here right now today is that the 48 other people being monitored for contact with thomas eric duncan, the original patient, before he went into the hospital are asymptomatic and they have passed that period where they re most likely to get sick. their period will end over the the testing period will end over the weekend early into next week. the chances of them getting sick, is said by doctors, is to be slim. that s good news for them. the 75 others are awaiting, i would imagine, quite anxiously. sure. how is the other ebola patient doing? nurse nina pham? that s more good news, it sounds like. she s the 26-year-old nurse who was diagnosed over the weekend. she has said to be in good condition. she went from stable to good condition. she has been talking on the phone to her mother and to others. she s been skyping. she also sent out a message yesterday saying she s doing well. so the news is good there. a lot of people have asked about her dog, also. the dog is being cared for by animal services here in an isolated area. the dog will be isolated for the 21-day period, also, to make sure there s no problem there. as we know a dog in spain was killed. there was a lot of concern about that happening here. officials say they don t plan to do that. they re going to watch the dog and make sure there are no problems. in the case of nina pham, the news is pretty good. and people are taking comfort, at least, in that. yeah. nbc mark potter. appreciate your time. thank you so much. joining me now in miami is dr. marty. she recently returned from africa where she joined the fight against ebola. good to see you. were you surprised another dallas nurse was infected with ebola? once i saw the image of the dallas morning news showing how they were wearing the ppe, and i noted there was exposed skin. i wasn t as surprised as i otherwise might have been. what is pp snere. the personal protective equipment. they were wavearing whatever they were told to wear they were instructed however they were instructed. what i saw being worn did not have met the protocol standards we were using in of a kpafrica. what is that? why? well, i think that this is a whole new thing that the united states is dealing with at a community level. it s been well known within certain government centers but it s not something that our community physicians and nurses and so forth are trained for. i think what needs to happen now is the center for disease control needs to take the lead and go and create one standard that is, at least, as good and certainly can easily be better than what we do in africa for all hospitals in the united states. yeah. right now, frankly, i m asking you it s a general question. right now, i presume that most, if not all hospitals in the united states, aren t really aware of just how extensive this protection needs to be, right? it s not something that anybody is trained on. no. and there s so many things about this virus and any infectious disease that is highly contagious like this that people need to be very aware of. just not used to dealing with it. what is the breach of protocol that the judge was talking about. what does that mean? that s a term of art, and really what they re saying is that there s a standard. there s an sop, if you will, that people should follow, and whatever that sop was, either it itself is inappropriate or it wasn t followed the way it was intended to be followed. i saw pictures of you in africa. you ve been there before and it s the hello and the best way to do hello. these are pictures you ve taken. i appreciate you being with me, dr., and you ll be sticking around with me this hour. we have a lot to discuss and go over. i appreciate you being here. and our ebola coverage continues after the short break. coming up the ranking member of the house subcommittee on health will talk about what the congressional response to the outbreak should be. later we ll go to the white house, in just about an hour the president will be in the situation room participating in a conference call with counter parts. the topics? 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don t wait ask your doctor about spiriva handihaler. and now to washington where some members of congress are heading back tomorrow for a hearing on the ebola virus. headlined by two of the people fighting to control it. dr. tom frieden and dr. anthony fouchi. joining me now is raking democrat on the health subcommittee which has jurisdiction over both of the agencies. thank you for being with me. thank you, jose. when you look at what happening at home, what can congress do to stop this from becoming a full outbreak? i think our major concern is enough resources for the agencies like the cdc and the nih. also, to have oversight to make sure that those agencies are doing their job and communicating and are on the ground both on the united states as well as in africa. and do you think they re doing their job well? i mean, for what we re seeing coming out of texas? well, i think the answer is yes. of course, there have been some glitches initially when duncan went to the hospital in dallas, you know, because they didn t really know initially what they were dealing with. there were some problems. but i think those problems have been cleared up and now the protocols will be followed. but again, i think we have to make sure we have sufficient resources. you know, there have been cuts to cdc and nih through sequestration in the past. that s a concern, too. as a matter of fact according a report from the group trust for america s health, funding for hospitals to prepare for infectious diseases have dropped to $358 million last year. are we sufficiently preparing our health officials to contain outbreaks like this? i mean, is this playing politics or is there something not happening because of the cuts? i think that s the danger. and, you know, right now i m not concerned because i think that resources are being found in order to deal with ebola. but long-term not only for ebola but other diseases it is important that we provide more funding. i don t think there s enough funding right now for cdc or nih to effectively pressure their mission. i m not saying it s the case with ebola. but long-term it s a problem that has to be addressed. and, congressman, according to our latest nbc news wall street jounl poll a slight percentage of americans say the country is somewhat or possibly prepared for an outbreak. before we learned about the new case the poll was taken. what do you say to a constituent who says their town hospital isn t prepared for this? this is what the cdc is doing. they re preparing hospitals. as time goes on and there s more of a realization there could be cases here and more cases here that we re going to see, you know, reaching out to different hospitals so they are prepared. i mean, look, nothing is fuel pro foolproof. i think they are doing a good job reaching out. i think they are doing a good job. thank you for your time this morning. let s bring in former admiral and former pennsylvania congressman. good to see you. let s talk about the dueling problems. you have the military playing a role and responding to ebola in africa. the cdc wages the fight at home. the war on isis remains incredibly volatile. you have the president talking about both crisis. what is the action plan you think? well, i think, first, we have to recognize, boy, has the world changed over a past decade and a half. you have a terrorist like isis that can get on a plane and come over here and blow us up or try to blow it up. you have a disease that can hide in somebody s body and come on a plane like happened in texas. in is the issue, really, in the military how we plan is we have force that we use to strike somebody. like we re doing in iraq and syria. but we also have forces, things like medical personnel, engineers that can also deploy not just to help us in a military venture, can stop what we call the transnational dangers. those that arise in africa. if we don t nip it in the bud we can soon have an open dem i think here. that s our strategy. much like we should be doing here in america even in our civilian preparedness. yeah, about an hour ago the military gave an update on the ebola mission in africa. about 100 soldiers arrived yesterday after 4,000 soldiers could end up being deployed there. how do our troops help officials make gains in a region where thousands of people have died of the virus? we have already set up, as you probably know, three labs that are beginning to test people s blood to see if they have it. then what is done is our engineers are building these isolation wards. the key, as you see in texas, is isolating the individuals. look, if we had not done this, and i think we ve been a bit slow to get there, we would have about 1.2 million infected over there in africa. eventually without any uncertainty it would begin to spread. i think we re beginning to bend the curve down. it s also critical our military medical personnel are training the indigenous population health care people to treat the patients directly. we can step back and do the training and testing. now, admiral, the president is working on the isis strategy. the white house acknowledging it will be a long-term operation. acknowledging that isis has tactical right now. where does the effort stand in your eyes. what does tactical momentum really mean? well, you know, i think that we have actually slowed what is called the tactical momentum to where the force was on their side. now they kind of probing. they re not just charging forward. so that is mean when you say we stopped their tactical momentum. we have to recognize, as i said on the channel a couple of months ago, the global war will go on interminately. we have to make sure that the public knows it s going to be a long, tough fight. militaries can stop the problem like we stopped the tactical momentum. but in order to root them out, it s going to take the indigenous population. the warriors in the baghdad and government forces to do the hard work. eventually we can stop them and get rid of them only when we win. as i said, jose, before the hearts and minds of people. that s why we have to prepare the public. it s not going away. it s going to be there for some period of time. and the isis group is one more form of it. admiral, a pleasure to speak with you, sir. thank you for your time. coming up we ll take a look at another major story that continues to develop across much of the united states. we re on day three of severe weather affecting millions. tornados ripped through eight states over the first two days. woken from a dead sleep to the horrible sound. very, very scary. all of a sudden we heard, like, a jet plane or a freight train just coming across the back of the house. up next we ll tell you what today may bring to the mid atlantic states. look at this live picture right now in hong kong. 12 hours ahead there. there has been a pivotal moment in the protests demanding democracy. we will explain it in just second. take a look at the amount of people throughout. they re not going anywhere. we ll be right bang. nineteen years ago, we thought, wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad? 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no. you get trained and retrained, retrained again. and yeah, i mean, just can t be put the thing on and go into the no. that s dangerous. and you were training medical employees on how to train in afri africa. training is the paramount thing you need to do. so we taught health care workers on how to, first of all, triage patients. when they come in the clinic how do you know that a patient might have ebola and if you think they do, what are you going to do about it? how are you going take the patients, put them in an isolated environment, protect, of course, your staff wearing the protective equipment, taking it off, which is definitely the trickiest part of the entire training. and give me example of why it s so difficult and how show to take it off in a way possibly are not contaminated. it s very difficult. especially in western africa where you work in difficult conditions. you might have 20 or 30 patients in the same area that you care for. you will be exposed to body fluids that you might not see. so when you take off your personal protective equipment, there is very clear steps for you to follow in order to take it off safely. usually what we recommend is always a buddy system. there s always somebody who is watching you take off your equipment. right. and that s good for whether it s happening in africa or happening in a hospital in texas. doctor, here is what secretary of health and human services told matt lauer this morning about moving the two patients to another facility. we will keep options and considerati considerations. right now the first patient, the first health care worker is being treated in the hospital. the second is in isolation there. we ll continue to monitor the situation and our people are on staff on sight doing that. let me ask you should they be moved? if they were going to have been moved they should have been moved the minute they were diagnosed and brought to, say, emery or someplace that is filled with individuals who do have the proper training and have had the proper training for a long time. that s the ideal situation. but when you move one of the patients, there s a lot of considerations. the whole process of moving has to be done in such a way as to not expose anyone else or, you know, anything used has to be decontaminated. we learned yesterday, for example, on the program there are really four main hospitals around the country that really are set up to deal with this. so what do we say to folks around the country that have a hospital in their hometown or their city they trust but, i mean, is there something we should be doing right now? every single health care worker needs to be having ebola on the brain and needs to be asking the right questions. if there are symptoms and epidemiological full step within call for help. call the centers for disease control and prevention call the resources that can exist that can provide the right amount of information at the right time to their institutions. know how to isolate the patient. know the basics of keeping themselves and the patients around them safe. that s going to be tough but we ll have to be aware that need to be done everywhere. everywhere. dr. marty, and karen huser, thank you so much for being with me. i want to go to hong kong. hong kong police say they re investigating the case of six officers caught on camera beating and kicking a pro democracy protester for nearly four minutes. that s the video. now protesters in hong kong have been packing streets for a couple of weeks now. we ve been taking you to hong kong every day on the program. you re looking at live look at the streets of hong kong. you see almost more police officers than protesters. but this is just one camera shot of what is very much a wide spread movement in hong kong. yesterday violence erupted outside the city s government headquarters as hundreds of officers clashed with protesters for control of an underpass. take a look at the images. the china correspondent has been covering the protest almost every night since september 26th. he joins me by phone. thank you for being with us. the protests have been going on for a couple of weeks. the pictures we re seeing today are incredible. what is going on there now? well, today, you know, a lot of people are coming out. mostly because of the pictures you re talking about. a the lot of the guy that has been seen in those images was a social worker and today a lot of social workers marched on the police headquarters in order to file complaints. many have been waiting for hours in order to file complaints and they re just sitting, waiting while the police have set up cordons around the headquarters to hold the people back. we re seeing live images as we speak. tell me about protester who was beaten. he s a member of the pro democracy parties in the hong kong as well as the pro government pro beijing parties. from what i ve read, he borwork with children and a social worker himself helping underprivileged children in hong kong. yeah. the images show it wasn t just one on one. it was a whole gang of officials beating and kicking this young man. do you get a sense of the violence there is escalating or could escalate further? is there any sign of the protest scaling down? i think it s been going on continuously for the past few weeks, and there s definitely a core group of students, young people that that is considered any sort of violence or escalading in any way. in terms of the police, i can t comment on their strategy. it. yeah, but the chinese government is trying to keep this as hidden from the world eyes as possible. have they said anything? have you heard from beijing? no, you know, today the foreign men industry conference held a briefing. they were confident that the hong kong government could handle this. they said they didn t see a reason for use of the pla at this time. so that s they really stuck by the hong kong government and the leader of the city in order to deal with the situation. yeah, and the leader is not resigning. thank you so much for being with me this morning. appreciate it. thank you. coming up, the president, the first lady, mitt romney all on the campaign trail with the midterms less than three weeks away. our new nbc news poll shows a high stakes toss up. hillary clinton is in kentucky. she wondered whether voters there will be as excited to see her as this young person was. a live report from louisville. first, you know, we love our shark stories. i love this. take a look at this. these are sharks doing what they do best. eating. it just so happens they were on the beach. clearly it s better for the sharks to be eating fish than eating you. this happened. this is what they do. but very cool, isn t it? 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let s go to louisville, kentucky. casey hunt, in washington huffington post msnbc contributor ryan grim, and miller repopolitical reporter ae washington post. casey, i want to start with you. ahead of hillary clinton s visit there, the democratic senate campaign committee is not investing in grimes campaign in the final weeks. what are kentuckians saying about her visit? will it help? in some ways the timing is a little bit unfortunate to have hillary clinton coming in when the dscc announced heir not going to invest anymore in kentucky. we have to pull the lens back a little bit. it s thinking about the entire map. it says in some ways places they re having in other places than what is going on in kentucky. democrats privately acknowledged it was going to be a real uphill battle for allison grimes structurely. the electorate is tilted toward senator mcconnell. that said there s a lot of personal interest in beating senator mcconnell. somebody the democrats like to take out. i think at this point, hillary clinton is bringing a lot of excitement here, especially to women voters. i mean, she appeals to them. that s been a big part of grimes strategy. trying to appeal to women. and mitt romney, his wife said he s not running for president. he looks like he s, at least considering it. what does he do for scott brown in new hampshire? he brings the big stage and spotlight. mitt romney very much has been seeming to consider whether or not he wants to run for president. his wife said they re done, done, done. she also said they could be open to it. scott brown, some people thought he s doing better than given he s from massachusetts and recently the senator there. you have mitt romney who also massachusetts but also sort of adopted new hampshire as his home. he bring it is to scott brown. we have shaheen who is a real force in the state in new hampshire. she s leading among women but you see scott brown really trying to prosecute president obama. that s something that mitt romney is expert at doing particularly around foreign policy. you expect to get some real one liners out of that and probably some big crowds as well. then you have a gentleman some democrats are trying to keep away but an extraordinary campaigner. the president. he s making the way up to connecticut this morning. nbc learning his campaign schedule in the final weeks. the vote is not necessarily all about the president. are some candidates running too far from him, you think? i think they are. in the sense that democrats benefit from higher turnout. if you look at the polls among likely voters, among people following the races extremely closely, those tilt slightly toward republicans. if you broaden it out and include all register voters, then you actually have about a 4-point advantage among democrats. the broader electorate is more democratic than the ones that come out. if the president and if the first lady can go around the country and they can encourage turnout in some of the states it s democrat s best hope. you know i think a lot of democrats are under estimating the power of president obama as a campaigner and as a support. but, you know, that s just me. you caught up with mitch mcconnell yesterday. he some interesting words about his good friend hillary clinton and grimes vote for her. listen to this. hillary clinton has been here before. she was here the day before the election the last time i ran. we re good friends. she s doing what candidates for president do. one thing is note worthy allison grimes doesn t have any trouble announcing she voted for hillary clinton, even though she doesn t want to say she voted for barack obama. how could her campaign not know about her hillary clinton vote surface in the droumt i are. how much is it hurting her with voters? it is a little bit surprising. she really doubled down on that defense of saying ballot privacy is the reason that she didn t want to say who she voted for in 2008 and in 2012, you know, and have this come out the documentary is set to air on monday to have her saying, you know, hey, while i was excited to vote for hillary clinton, back in 2008, it s definitely something of a contradiction. as you say the mcconnell campaign was seizing on it. senator mcconnell loves to talk about the clintons that way. he ll say the same thing about bill clinton. but the reality is he doesn t have anything bad to say about the clintons either. which speaks to the fact they are still popular here. their style of politics is something that appeals to voters here in kentucky. casey hunt, ryan grim thank you so much for being with me. i want to leave you with one big number. how about $1 billion? that s what ad spending in the election is expected to break. is it all working? we want to hear from you. after all, that s what elections and this show is all about. send your thoughts at #jdb now. in the picture i m saying please! write to me! i want to hear you. coming up, a teleconference from the situation room. president obama will be discussing the global ebola crisis with his europe, counter part. we ll go live to the white house next. first, new video of nina pham s dog, bentley, this morning at the temporary home in dallas. the animal services there. does anyone whose come in contact with an ebola patient, like bentley, know that he s going to be monitored for 21-days? 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anti-gun, anti-family, anti-energy development. citizens united productions presents the colorado state flag is still flying flag here at least for now. they re fundamentally changing our culture here in colorado. we need to legalize marijuana nationally. this is a community of people who like to smoke weed, have a good time. i self-medicate. i ll tell you what, we win colorado, i get four more years. the weaknesses include arrogance. being a survivor, what would have been different if i had been carrying the weapon that i was licensed to carry that night? statistics are not on your side, even if you had had a gun. that s why we have the whistles. if you think you know colorado. new york mayor michael bloomberg made controversial remarks about colorado. you don t know hick. the same backwards thinking in the same rural western areas. educate the idiots campaign. really insulting stuff. what the hell is going on here? who is this person? where did they get that kind of money? michelle malkin hosts an all-star cast. it all started here in colorado. and the colorado model could be coming to your state next. if they can do it in texas, republicans are doomed. fundamentally transforming the united states of america. rocky mountain heist. joining me now, michelle malkin, host of the film, rocky mountain heist and david bosse, president of citizens united which produced the nim and went all the way up to the u.s. supreme court to fight for the right of companies like his to make their voices heard in politics. welcome to you both. michelle, great to see you again. i know our viewers have missed you. now we know what you have been up to. you are the host of this film, and it s about colorado and how it s turned from red to more and more blue, but it s about so much more than colorado. tell us. yeah. you know, i ve been a resident here of colorado now for six years, and i didn t know the story about how this cabal of wealthy, liberal, progressive billionaires and millionaires meticulously planned to take over a once red, red meat state and turn it blue. we did this film and citizens united and david bosse have been absolute warriors in this fight to make sure that there is sunlight, sunlight is always the best disinfectant, we owe citizens united so much in this and the fight that took place merely to get this film out in itself is a ivictory. a victory for conservative political speech. one of the most important points here is that what happened in colorado can happen in the rest of the country. that s what s so important. that s the message we re trying to get out. explain to the viewers in a nutshell what the democrats did, because the state was leaning very red. red meat republican red, and more and more it is turning. you say it s not an accident, and it boils down to some hypocrisy you allege and the democrats purporting to be so offended by a lot of money from rich fat cats into politics. yeah. the hypocrisy reeks, it smokes, it burns because you have these people that have paid lip service to transparency and informing the voters, and it was the gang of four, jared paulus, tim gil, ruck bridges and a very cryptic wealthy medical device heiress pat stryker who also worked behind closed doors and used a lot of shady nonprofits that have all these noble sounding names that have progress, transparency, progress, while they were plait plotting to take over the state legislature. what we feature in the film is firsthand testimonies from some of the victims. have veteran republican lawmakers who had the political rug pulled out from under them. traditional sleepy races, schoolboard races and state legislative races where hundreds of thousands of dollars from unknown donors were poured in these races to target them and turn the legislature blue. and that s how it started at the state level sort of from the ground up to try to change the political makeup, red and blue color, of the state. here s the sound bite from the movie, this is sound bite number three that speaks to the money issue now taking place in progressively blow democrat colorado. watch. turned out it was an intern that the leftist think tank had working for them. and i spoke with him. he said, i keep seeing all these people coming into our offices. the democratic leadership from the legislature, these rich guys that are coming in, the trial lawyers keep coming in and afterwards i clean up the room and i m seeing these documents and i was scared to death. one document exposes a parent s arrogance and even contempt he had toward voters. plans for an educate the idiots campaign. the memo states the afl-cio would be tasked to educate the idiots and clearly labels one so-called idiot group minorities. explain what we re seeing there, michelle. yeah, well, this is how these progressive architects and engineers talk about their own constituency behind their back. it s not just conservative and constitution loving republicans who should be offended by it. this is how they strategize. and you know, they don t just demonize their opponents, this is how they talk about their own people. educate the idiots. those were documents that were obtained. coda, which i mentioned in the film, which is colorado democracy alliance. this is the infrastructure, this is the vast network that s been formed not only as a result of the gang of four s collusion in colorado but at a national level, the sort of sister organization, the democracy alliance is considered the new center of gravity for influencing elections, ballot boxes and policy fights all across the country. it s happening in texas and virginia and maine and everywhere and people need to know about it. that s the question i have for you, david. so as somebody who went all the way up to the supreme court to fight for corporations first amendment rights to be heard and that decision in your favor has opened up floodgates in terms of money and politics, how can you be critical? people say that s hip o critical for you to come out and criticize the money in politics, state and federal. shouldn t you be out there defending this? megyn, i have no problem with people spending money and making their voices heard. what michelle uncovers in this film and our director and writer jason meeth did a tremendous job of working with her. it really uncovers these four individuals who really used the dark shadows to hide in. they didn t want transparency. personally, i don t care about whether or not they spend money in politics. i do care that they attack me for what w and then they re the hypocrites in this issue. because little by little, if they maintain control, gain control of the state legislatures, the power then rises up and they start to gain national prominence in federal positions. michelle, i want to ask you this. this news about this change in the colorado voting law, which took place under democrat controlled, you know, legislature and government, is it really as dramatic as they say? can you really move to colorado visit colorado basically for 21 days and on day 22 register to vote on voting day, online? it is as bad as they say. and who s saying it? well, election officials here in the state of colorado. the el paso county clerk right here in my backyard has been warning about it. the secretary of state scott gessler. and here s exactly why the citizens united film rocky mountain heist is so important. we mention this in our film. we talk to state legislators who knew that this was happening, new who knew this was part of the plan, the model, the blueprint to put through these so-called reforms that are supposed to enlighten and inform everyone and improve the voter situation to be used and exploited specifically to affect elections particularly when they re close. what do you get when you combine the chicago way and the colorado model and the rocky mountain heist, this voter fraud frankenstein which is perfect for hollywood and what they want when elections are close and they re just coming up in a couple of weeks, aren t they? she s just as fiery as ever. the denver heir has not boulder, she s still going to bring it. david, good toy sue, michelle as well. rocky mountain heist. check it out. we mentioned at the top of the show how the colorado senate race is neck and neck right now. in most new numbers on critical races that will decide the balance of power in washington and how exactly is that looking as of today. plus new controversy over democratic campaign flyer that uses the police shooting of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, as a get out the vote strategy in georgia? brit hume is next to talk about what s really behind this message. message. no peace, big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what s up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. 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crestor. ferguson, missouri, erupted this summer after michael brown was shot and killed by a police officer. michael brown was black, the police officer is white. tonight one democratic group is using that tragedy as part of the get out the vote campaign. this is a page from the controversial flyer distributed by the democratic party of georgia. another page shows two children with signs that read don t shoot a phrase that became a rallying cry of protesters in ferguson. and it goes on from there. brit hume is our fox news senior political analyst. a clear reference to if you don t get out and vote in georgia, you re going to you re at risk of winding up just like michael brown in ferguson, missouri, and the democratic party of georgia stands by that. we reached out to them. and they said, look, this is the fight for the right to vote and for every vote to be counted as part of our state s history. and they say our democracy is stronger when more people participate and we see what happens to places like ferguson when voices are silenced. that s ridiculous, and it s a very crude piece of literature. very crude. i can t imagine it will work, but you can see what s happening here, megyn. the democratic party has got nearly everything lined up against it in this upcoming election. and the one thing many believe that could save it is another turnout miracle of the kind that the democratic party was able to mast and the obama campaign was table to put together for the 2014 election. that s why you hear the president with the soundbite you played earlier talking about how he really isn t in this election, his policies are in this election. these people have supported him. he s trying to personalize the election to appeal to the people who turned the out in such numbers for him in 2012 so that they will do the same this time. and people have said, well, it was stupid for him to say that. well, it might turn out to have been stupid, but it wasn t done in my opinion inadvertently. i heard people say, well, it s always all about him. that s his vanity. i don t think it was his vanity. i think it was a calculated move. it s a sign, to some extent, of desperation. but this is where we are now. how much of this has to do with this memo by democratic pollster cornell belcher who write in the new york times stressing african-american turnout. the surge of african-american voters who came out in 2012 was critical and that if it doesn t happen again, this could be a disaster for the democrats. i think that memo is right on target, and i think that was a smart memo. and i think it s true. i think that it does show a certain contempt in a sense for african-americans because you notice that the message on that flyer was not vote for x or vote for y or even vote democratic. it was simply vote. and the democrats put out literature like that safe in the knowledge, they believe, that if these african-american voters who were appealed to by this sort of stuff will vote, they ll almost certainly vote democratic and there you are. that s what they re trying to do. they re trying to hype or pump up the turnout among african americans and other minorities because they desperately need that to try to save their party s stand in the senate, their position in the senate. cornell belcher s memo said if the black vote does not turn out, he predicts crushing democratic losses across the country saying that the democratic party needs to get the black party to the polls, in particular, georgia, louisiana, north carolina and possibly arkansas, this flyer came out in georgia. and, you know, we ve seen candidate after candidate, brit, trying to distance themselves from president obama including in these states to the point where al sharpton the president was speaking with al sharpton on his radio show, and he asked him about these attempts to distance himself from barack obama and here s how the president responded. it is difficult for them to have me in the state because the republicans will use that to try to fan republican turnout. the bottom line is these are all folks who vote with me, they ve supported my agenda in congress. and so, you know, how much of that that s true, isn t it? yes. it is true. it is true. and if look, look at the situation in georgia. you re trying to get african-americans in an off-year election in which turnout is typically low and interest is especially low and it seems especially so in this particular one to turn out to vote for some white woman of a privileged background for the senate. so you re not going to be able to do that by saying look at this nice white lady here. this is the way the democrats look at it. they re better off if they say, if you don t vote, you re going to have ferguson here. you re going to get shot down in the street. these people are all about me and i m all about them and we re joined together by our united position an all these issues and the rest of it. nrd, vote for them, they help me. right before i let you go, republicans taking the senate and if so, how many seats? i wouldn t guess at the number. but i think the great likelihood is that they will, but i don t think that they will take the senate. i don t think it s guaranteed. the turnout miracle, the democrats, it s a longshot, but it could happen. and they know how to work that machine. with those critical midterms just two weeks from tonight, by the way, what s driving these reports about desperate democrats? we re here next with new numbers. and the political blunder in the fight against isis as the terror army posts a video that appears to show it has acquired even more u.s. weapons and ammunition that we may have delivered right to their doorstep. there was a video that seemed to show isis fighters with one of these bundles. i actually don t know if that was one of the ones dropped and whether it is in fact and the contents of it are in the hands w w w w w w alright guys. the usual. double wings, extra ranch. we need to do something different. callahan s? ehh, i mean get away, like, away away. road trip? double wings, extra ranch. feels good to mix it up. the all-new, fuel-efficient volkswagen golf tdi clean diesel. up to 594 miles of adventure in every tank. do you approve of the job president obama is doing? in some ways i approve and in some things i don t approve. like most questions that we deal with as policymakers, there aren t simple answers. she has, in fact, voted with the president over 99% of the time. what does that mean to people in new hampshire? that means she was the deciding vote for obama care. she seems like a perfect politician to me. scott brown and jeanne shaheen clashes tonight for the debate for the senate seat in new hampshire where the president s popularity once again an issue in this race. with the midterms just two weeks from tonight, this is when we really put him to work. so let s go issue by issue. let s start back at the beginning of the term and the issue to close guantanamo, just answer, would you just answer? as you and mr. hume were talking about, doesn t exactly help that the president said he told her to say that. i told the democrats to go say they disagreed with me, but they really agreed with me, they re lying. that s helpful. thanks a lot, boss. talking about how the democratic party in colorado was referring to its own voters as, what was it, imbeciles or idiots? idiots. they meant that in the nicest possible way. they really wanted to help. and the very fact just to look at it from the larger perspective, the very fact that scott brown is within striking distance in new hampshire where he shouldn t be, he shouldn t be there. he was not going to have a chance, 20 points back, he s a dead letter, not going to happen. the fact that jeanne shaheen is getting laughed at when she made that statement and she knew it was a patently silly thing to say and the landscape is not a real good one for democrats. she maintains a lead in all of the polls which reminds me barack obama had a lead in all those polls in ohio on election night in 2012 and everyone said romney had a fighting chance, no, he didn t. obama had a lead in all the polls on election day going into election day and that s what shaheen had. anything can happen. what s the most important race in your view? the next most important race is down in georgia. that s got to be the one, because when we talk about how democrats can stay alive, what they ve got to do is suppress republican turnout. they got to do the same thing to david purdue, the republican nominee down there that they did to mitt romney and get cranky conservatives to stay home. they don t like perdue, stay home, he s an outsourcer, he s a romney guy. get black voters, they think that will help them. because that s the party that just released the ferguson ad we just showed. you get a two for one effect, they force it into a runoff, then if the senate is hanging in the balance, the president and his party can push $100 million and every organizing for action, volunteer and employee across the country into that state to try to win it. that s the reality. but i would say this, and this is my bet. i ll make a bet with you, counselor, about what we ll be talking about two weeks from tonight and i m already getting the goosebumps, already getting excited about it. two weeks from tonight we ll be talking about north carolina because that s going to be the bellwether state, where kay hagan and tom thom tillis. he s had a good october. the race is tied. that poll closes early. how it happens in north carolina will tell us what happens across the rest of the country. can t wait. looking forward to it. see you then, chris. thank you. chris is one of those guys who knows like county by county by county every single state. you remember election night 2012, right? remember the long walk down the hall? in fact, they just set up outside of the studio, they just set up those desks right now. it looks just like it did in 2012. in any event, moving on. president obama brought in someone to manage the ebola crisis, what exactly has ron klain done and what is he planning to do? the anananananan instead of mailing everyone my vacation photos, i m saving a ton of time by posting them to my wall. oh, i like that one. it s so quick! it s just like my car insurance. i saved 15% in just 15 minutes. i saved more than that in half the time. i unfriend you. that s not how it works. that s not how any of this works. 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why are people around the white house speculating about ron klain s future? shouldn t number one be take the job and worry about ebola? it is the number one priority. mr. klain starts tomorrow. mr. podesta continues to focus on the important job he has to do around here. he went on to say the stories were off base. the president and the ebola czar here ron klain will be dealing with all of this and they re showing signs of improvement, the crisis is easing a bit, but clearly it s not over yet. that s why there s pressure on klain to get going. ed, thank you. as we watched the botched response to this deadly virus, my next guest says we re getting a real lesson in government bureaucracy, a showdown between the federal vision of president reagan versus president obama. watch this. government is not the solution to our problem. government is the problem. you ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate sinister entity that is the root of all our problems. you should reject these voices. what a contrast between those two men, and in the same way isis and its growth in the middle east has called into question these two big philosophies of government, those of the left and the right, if we become less interventionalist, if we retreat a bit, will we be safer with a more robust foreign policy a more assertive america. this ebola crisis, you believe, has shined a light on the same distinction between the left and the right when it comes to big government. you know what s interesting is when you have president reagan in office saying that government is the problem, american trust in government rose because they saw that a smaller government at least domestically and a bolder government internationally could be a better government. now we have a president with almost limitless space in government giving that speech in april or may of 2013 telling people to believe in government. and what we have are serial failures, the veterans administration scandal, the secret service scandal, healthcare.gov, the inability so far to give americans a straight story about what ebola might mean for them. so what we re seeing is the reality of what president reagan said in 1981, government is the problem and we have to view everything it does with a great deal of skepticism both at the level of the lowest bureaucracy and the so-called experts. how does ebola show us that? because the white house would say, look, we have two cases here, two nurses here who actually contracted it. those have been addressed, are being addressed. it didn t spread beyond that so far. so i imagine they think the system is working. there are a few bumps in the road but the government is handling this. the system is working until we re surprised by the next failure. that s really what s happened here. there s pervasive mistrust for a good reason of the government s response so far in part because of its inability or refusal to do the basic things, the most basic of which would be a ban on any nonessential travel to the ebola-infected countries of west afri africa, which also make assurances which are completely baseless. on our show he came on and i pressed him, you don t need the double gloves, you don t need to cover your head, you don t need to cover your shoes, no, it s fine. then yesterday they change their guidelines, yes, cover your head, wear double gloves, cover your shoes. i shouldn t have come that realization before dr. frieden. but why am i asking the cdc about this before they come up with it on their own? liberals tend to believe that nature is predictable, human behavior is predictable, things happen the way the experts perceive them to happen and the insight is that nature is wildly unpredictable and human behavior is unpredictable and the nature of government, the nature of society is that we tend to be surprised by events. so we have to engineer our responses accordingly. people are debating, what should government do. let s ask ourselves a prior question, megyn, what can government do and then organize our activities accordingly. are we really equipped to effect live i monitor, screen and track passengers, about 150 passengers a day coming in from these west african countries? i m not sure we are. that s why really they don t really trust the tsa to do it anyway and they want people to sign forms and they ve limited the travel into five different airports. it s getting closer and closer to a travel ban by the day. they would say big government did nota ñ%ñ fail. they would say healthcare.gov is a problem, but they thing obama care is a huge success. they think that the state department they stand by hillary clinton s handling of it, the irs they thing that was a nothing-burger, not a smidgen of corruption. you can go down the list where the two visions just ne er the two shall meet. americans are getting a short and upsetting course in just which vision is proving to be right. someone wrote recently about how the obama administration is just constantly being surprised by that. they have a plan, they think something is working and again and again things blow up in their face. how is it that this president who believes in government didn t know what was happening in the veterans administration? how is it that we didn t know that we had a secret service that was unable to guard the white house, some of its core functions? we re not talking about the question of its politics or even of its policies. we re talking about the ability of huge bureaucracies that are poorly overseen, poorly managed and poorly staffed to do their basic tasks. do you think as we watch these democrats running from the president because the president had struggles when he was re-elected but re-elected in record numbers, do you think it s this issue that s depressing poll numbers with his own core? isis, all of this, what is it? it really is a perception of a president who doesn t have any handle on his own administration, a president who is always being surprised by all sorts of events. a world in which things seem to be blowing up and which we re always reacting on the defensive a day late and a dollar short. and americans are taking note of that. that s reflected in what appears to be a wave building up against democrats in the next couple weeks. good to see you. good to be here. new question tonight in our fight against the terror army known as isis and whether this group is a lot bigger and even more dangerous than we previously knew? 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well, i ve looked at that footage right now that you ve got on the screen, and clearly the parachute is one of our precision-guided parachute, a cargo chute dropped out of a c-130 if you can believe the pentagon. but the fact that it went off target is a great propaganda video for these guys. i look at the other footage that shows the hand grenades. those are not u.s. hand grenades. we don t make that kind of pineapple grenade. haven t for a long time, world war ii, in fact. but the fact is a mistake was made, the pentagon said they initially destroyed that parachute. remember that? that was yesterday. what can we believe out of this pentagon and this administration? in the meantime, we re hearing more activity around baghdad. i know you ve been sounding the alarm on this saying we need to keep our eyes on baghdad because that s the golden prize for isis, that s what i wants. today there were mortar attacks 500 meters from the u.s. embassy. this isn t the first time this has happened but what do you think is the significance? kobani is a prize for isis. they can t capture baghdad but they can hit our embassy. and there are people with boots on the ground, not at the pentagon, who are convinced that isis is preparing a complex assault on our embassy, meaning suicide vehicles, suicide vests, the same tactic, by the way, used in fallujah, mosul and ramadi. they re former republican guards officers. they know baghdad. they ve infiltrated over a thousand fighters into baghdad s sunni indianeighborhoods. what we re seeing are the probes and the rehearsals and the reconnaissance for a major attack that will be preceded by an attack on najaf coinciding with the holiday that commemorates the death of his grandson. do you think that it might happen within a number of weeks, by november? there are people on the ground with whom i communicate almost every day. several have assured me that that is their major concern. i can understand why it would be. because baghdad s embassy surrounded by a concrete wall is big and maybe the biggest in the world, but you put enough explosives up against it, you will have an enormous hole. what you can then do is flood a lot of people into that embassy. you don t want a repeat of saigon 1975. but the iranians won t let that happen. they won t let baghdad fall. let s play out the worst case scenario. they attack kabbalah or najaf which are major shiite sh rins. the so-called relish ya are all shiites. they fled south and southwest to get to those two places then isis leads the attack into the embassy. they re not going to be able to capture baghdad. it s too big, even with 40,000 fighters. but it will be a major propaganda victory. if it happens november 3rd, the next day in america, we have, oh, yeah, that s an election. colonel oliver north. thank you, sir. better news next time, i hope, megyn. absolutely. a watergate legend passed away a watergate legend passed away tonininininini [ female announcer ] you change your style. why not your eye color? 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for sure. there was no doubting that ben bradlee existed on the left of the ideological spectrum, but he was an establishmentarian. he stood for standards and excellence, but he was, as i mentioned v friendly with president kennedy. they had a kind of boozy schmoozy friendship which bradlee recounted in his 1975 memoir conversations with kennedy. when richard nixon became president, he could not imagine that he had a particular fan as the executive editor of the washington post in ben bradlee, but none the else ben bradlee stood for fairness and accuracy in journalism. the washington post has a piece tonight, nothing pleased bradlee more than nailed the corrupt, pricked a narcissist, felled a climber and really told it like it was. what a great tribute, and we can only hope that someone will say something half as kind about us, james when our day finally comes. thank you for being here. thank you, megyn. but first, coming up on hannity at the top of the hour? do you want more outsources of jobobobobobob you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. you re like nothing can replace brad! then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement, we ll pay for a car that s a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night,nd. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 percent of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. don t let non-24 get in the way of your pursuit of happiness. has the power to captivate. that s why shakira uses. crest 3d white with whitelock technology. removing up to ninety percent of surface stains, and locking out future stains. so your smile always steals the show. and to get even faster whitening, use this collection rk23é(ñ)s6ay)ói try. go to their assignment near the white house to deal with the headquarter employees personal dispute with the neighbor. the record obtained by the associated press says it appears to be from a friendship with secret officials. stay tuned for hannity. for all the headlines, log on ti folksnews.com. kelly. n welcome to hannity. the 2014 midterms are exactly two weeks from today. and tonight ahead of this extremely important election

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up opportunity for voter fraud, and they allege they were pushed through the state legislature in a maneuver to keep democrats in power. all of this and much, much more has just been documented in a brand new film called rocky mountain heist. i m going to show you the trailer, then michelle malkin here. watch. the republican party is controlled by a bunch of bigots. many of these people are multibillionaires. the only way the bigots are going to learn is if we take their power away from them. if they can utilize our money to basically accomplish their social agenda, that s a great thing for them. if you think you know colorado, think again. a shop owner in colorado now facing jail time after he refused to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding. they made new rules. they changed the rules, then they exploited those rules. there s a war going on. they want to tell me what doctor i can go to, what health plan i can have, that is the war on women. they ve passed legislation that s been anti-gun, anti-family, anti-energy development. citizens united productions presents the colorado state flag is still flying flag here at least for now. they re fundamentally changing our culture here in colorado. we need to legalize marijuana nationally. this is a community of people who like to smoke weed, have a good time. i self-medicate. i ll tell you what, we win colorado, i get four more years. the weaknesses include arrogance. being a survivor, what would have been different if i had been carrying the weapon that i was licensed to carry that night? statistics are not on your side, even if you had had a gun. that s why we have the whistles. if you think you know colorado. new york mayor michael bloomberg made controversial remarks about colorado. you don t know hick. the same backwards thinking in the same rural western areas. educate the idiots campaign. really insulting stuff. what the hell is going on here? who is this person? where did they get that kind of money? michelle malkin hosts an all-star cast. it all started here in colorado. and the colorado model could be coming to your state next. if they can do it in texas, republicans are doomed. fundamentally transforming the united states of america. rocky mountain heist. joining me now, michelle malkin, host of the film, rocky mountain heist and david bosse, president of citizens united which produced the nim and went all the way up to the u.s. supreme court to fight for the right of companies like his to make their voices heard in politics. welcome to you both. michelle, great to see you again. i know our viewers have missed you. now we know what you have been up to. you are the host of this film, and it s about colorado and how it s turned from red to more and more blue, but it s about so much more than colorado. tell us. yeah. you know, i ve been a resident here of colorado now for six years, and i didn t know the story about how this cabal of wealthy, liberal, progressive billionaires and millionaires meticulously planned to take over a once red, red meat state and turn it blue. we did this film and citizens united and david bosse have been absolute warriors in this fight to make sure that there is sunlight, sunlight is always the best disinfectant, we owe citizens united so much in this and the fight that took place merely to get this film out in itself is a ivictory. a victory for conservative political speech. one of the most important points here is that what happened in colorado can happen in the rest of the country. that s what s so important. that s the message we re trying to get out. explain to the viewers in a nutshell what the democrats did, because the state was leaning very red. red meat republican red, and more and more it is turning. you say it s not an accident, and it boils down to some hypocrisy you allege and the democrats purporting to be so offended by a lot of money from rich fat cats into politics. yeah. the hypocrisy reeks, it smokes, it burns because you have these people that have paid lip service to transparency and informing the voters, and it was the gang of four, jared paulus, tim gil, ruck bridges and a very cryptic wealthy medical device heiress pat stryker who also worked behind closed doors and used a lot of shady nonprofits that have all these noble sounding names that have progress, transparency, progress, while they were plait plotting to take over the state legislature. what we feature in the film is firsthand testimonies from some of the victims. have veteran republican lawmakers who had the political rug pulled out from under them. traditional sleepy races, schoolboard races and state legislative races where hundreds of thousands of dollars from unknown donors were poured in these races to target them and turn the legislature blue. and that s how it started at the state level sort of from the ground up to try to change the political makeup, red and blue color, of the state. here s the sound bite from the movie, this is sound bite number three that speaks to the money issue now taking place in progressively blow democrat colorado. watch. turned out it was an intern that the leftist think tank had working for them. and i spoke with him. he said, i keep seeing all these people coming into our offices. the democratic leadership from the legislature, these rich guys that are coming in, the trial lawyers keep coming in and afterwards i clean up the room and i m seeing these documents and i was scared to death. one document parent s arrogance and even contempt he had toward voters. plans for an educate the idiots campaign. the memo states the afl-cio would be tasked to educate the idiots and clearly labels one so-called idiot group minorities. explain what we re seeing there, michelle. yeah, well, this is how these progressive architects and engineers talk about their own constituency behind their back. it s not just conservative and constitution loving republicans who should be offended by it. this is how they strategize. and you know, they don t just demonize their opponents, this is how they talk about their own people. educate the idiots. those were documents that were obtained. coda, which i mentioned in the film, which is colorado democracy alliance. this is the infrastructure, this is the vast network that s been formed not only as a result of the gang of four s collusion in colorado but at a national level, the sort of sister organization, the democracy alliance is considered the new center of gravity for influencing elections, ballot boxes and policy fights all across the country. it s happening in texas and virginia and maine and everywhere and people need to know about it. that s the question i have for you, david. so as somebody who went all the way up to the supreme court to fight for corporations first amendment rights to be heard and that decision in your favor has opened up floodgates in terms of money and politics, how can you be critical? people say that s hip o critical for you to come out and criticize the money in politics, state and federal. shouldn t you be out there defending this? megyn, i have no problem with people spending money and making their voices heard. what michelle uncovers in this film and our director and writer jason meeth did a tremendous job of working with her. it really uncovers these four individuals who really used the dark shadows to hide in. they didn t want transparency. personally, i don t care about whether or not they spend money in politics. i do care that they attack me for what we do, and then they re the hypocrites in this issue. because little by little, if they maintain control, gain control of the state legislatures, the power then rises up and they start to gain national prominence in federal positions. michelle, i want to ask you this. this news about this change in the colorado voting law, which took place under democrat controlled, you know, legislature and government, is it really as dramatic as they say? can you really move to colorado visit colorado basically for 21 days and on day 22 register to vote on voting day, online? it is as bad as they say. and who s saying it? well, election officials here in the state of colorado. the el paso county clerk right here in my backyard has been warning about it. the secretary of state scott gessler. and here s exactly why the citizens united film rocky mountain heist is so important. we mention this in our film. we talk to state legislators who knew that this was happening, new who knew this was part of the plan, the model, the blueprint to put through these so-called reforms that are supposed to enlighten and inform everyone and improve the voter situation to be used and exploited specifically to affect elections particularly when they re close. what do you get when you combine the chicago way and the colorado model and the rocky mountain heist, this voter fraud frankenstein which is perfect for hollywood and what they want when elections are close and they re just coming up in a couple of weeks, aren t they? she s just as fiery as ever. the denver heir has not boulder, she s still going to bring it. david, good toy sue, michelle as well. rocky mountain heist. check it out. we mentioned at the top of the show how the colorado senate race is neck and neck right now. in most new numbers on critical races that will decide the balance of power in washington and how exactly is that looking as of today. plus new controversy over democratic campaign flyer that uses the police shooting of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, as a get out the vote strategy in georgia? brit hume is next to talk about what s really behind this message. no peace, no justice. hands up. don t shoot. the kelly file is brought to you by for folk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. 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the police officer is white. tonight one democratic group is using that tragedy as part of the get out the vote campaign. this is a page from the controversial flyer distributed by the democratic party of georgia. another page shows two children with signs that read don t shoot a phrase that became a rallying cry of protesters in ferguson. and it goes on from there. brit hume is our fox news senior political analyst. a clear reference to if you don t get out and vote in georgia, you re going to you re at risk of winding up just like michael brown in ferguson, missouri, and the democratic party of georgia stands by that. we reached out to them. and they said, look, this is the fight for the right to vote and for every vote to be counted as part of our state s history. and they say our democracy is stronger when more people participate and we see what happens to places like ferguson when voices are silenced. that s ridiculous, and it s a very crude piece of literature. very crude. i can t imagine it will work, but you can see what s happening here, megyn. the democratic party has got nearly everything lined up against it in this upcoming election. and the one thing many believe that could save it is another turnout miracle of the kind that the democratic party was able to mast and the obama campaign was table to put together for the 2014 election. that s why you hear the president with the soundbite you played earlier talking about how he really isn t in this election, his policies are in this election. these people have supported him. he s trying to personalize the election to appeal to the people who turned the out in such numbers for him in 2012 so that they will do the same this time. and people have said, well, it was stupid for him to say that. well, it might turn out to have been stupid, but it wasn t done in my opinion inadvertently. i heard people say, well, it s always all about him. that s his vanity. i don t think it was his vanity. i think it was a calculated move. it s a sign, to some extent, of desperation. but this is where we are now. how much of this has to do with this memo by democratic pollster cornell belcher who write in the new york times stressing african-american turnout. the surge of african-american voters who came out in 2012 was critical and that if it doesn t happen again, this could be a disaster for the democrats. i think that memo is right on target, and i think that was a smart memo. and i think it s true. i think that it does show a certain contempt in a sense for african-americans because you notice that the message on that flyer was not vote for x or vote for y or even vote democratic. it was simply vote. and the democrats put out literature like that safe in the knowledge, they believe, that if these african-american voters who were appealed to by this sort of stuff will vote, they ll almost certainly vote democratic and there you are. that s what they re trying to do. they re trying to hype or pump up the turnout among african americans and other minorities because they desperately need that to try to save their party s stand in the senate, their position in the senate. cornell belcher s memo said if the black vote does not turn out, he predicts crushing democratic losses across the country saying that the democratic party needs to get the black party to the polls, in particular, georgia, louisiana, north carolina and possibly arkansas, this flyer came out in georgia. and, you know, we ve seen candidate after candidate, brit, trying to distance themselves from president obama including in these states to the point where al sharpton the president was speaking with al sharpton on his radio show, and he asked him about these attempts to distance himself from barack obama and here s how the president responded. it is difficult for them to have me in the state because the republicans will use that to try to fan republican turnout. the bottom line is these are all folks who vote with me, they ve supported my agenda in congress. and so, you know, how much of that that s true, isn t it? yes. it is true. it is true. and if look, look at the situation in georgia. you re trying to get african-americans in an off-year election in which turnout is typically low and interest is especially low and it seems especially so in this particular one to turn out to vote for some white woman of a privileged background for the senate. so you re not going to be able to do that by saying look at this nice white lady here. this is the way the democrats look at it. they re better off if they say, if you don t vote, you re going to have ferguson here. you re going to get shot down in the street. these people are all about me and i m all about them and we re joined together by our united position an all these issues and the rest of it. nrd, vote for them, they help me. right before i let you go, republicans taking the senate and if so, how many seats? i wouldn t guess at the number. but i think the great likelihood is that they will, but i don t think that they will take the senate. i don t think it s guaranteed. the turnout miracle, the democrats, it s a longshot, but it could happen. and they know how to work that machine. with those critical midterms just two weeks from tonight, by the way, what s driving these reports about desperate democrats? we re here next with new numbers. and the political blunder in the fight against isis as the terror army posts a video that appears to show it has acquired even more u.s. weapons and ammunition that we may have delivered right to their doorstep. there was a video that seemed to show isis fighters with one of these bundles. i actually don t know if that was one of the ones dropped and whether it is in fact and the contents of it are in the hands we just don t know. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable, with over 900 locations for walk-in medical care. and 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issue. let s start back at the beginning of the term and the issue to close guantanamo, just answer, would you just answer? as you and mr. hume were talking about, doesn t exactly help that the president said he told her to say that. i told the democrats to go say they disagreed with me, but they really agreed with me, they re lying. that s helpful. thanks a lot, boss. talking about how the democratic party in colorado was referring to its own voters as, what was it, imbeciles or idiots? idiots. they meant that in the nicest possible way. they really wanted to help. and the very fact just to look at it from the larger perspective, the very fact that scott brown is within striking distance in new hampshire where he shouldn t be, he shouldn t be there. he was not going to have a chance, 20 points back, he s a dead letter, not going to happen. the fact that jeanne shaheen is getting laughed at when she made that statement and she knew it was a patently silly thing to say and the landscape is not a real good one for democrats. she maintains a lead in all of the polls which reminds me barack obama had a lead in all those polls in ohio on election night in 2012 and everyone said romney had a fighting chance, no, he didn t. obama had a lead in all the polls on election day going into election day and that s what shaheen had. anything can happen. what s the most important race in your view? the next most important race is down in georgia. that s got to be the one, because when we talk about how democrats can stay alive, what they ve got to do is suppress republican turnout. they got to do the same thing to david purdue, the republican nominee down there that they did to mitt romney and get cranky conservatives to stay home. they don t like perdue, stay home, he s an outsourcer, he s a romney guy. get black voters, they think that will help them. because that s the party that just released the ferguson ad we just showed. you get a two for one effect, they force it into a runoff, then if the senate is hanging in the balance, the president and his party can push $100 million and every organizing for action, volunteer and employee across the country into that state to try to win it. that s the reality. but i would say this, and this is my bet. i ll make a bet with you, counselor, about what we ll be talking about two weeks from tonight and i m already getting the goosebumps, already getting excited about it. two weeks from tonight we ll be talking about north carolina because that s going to be the bellwether state, where kay hagan and tom thom tillis. he s had a good october. the race is tied. that poll closes early. how it happens in north carolina will tell us what happens across the rest of the country. can t wait. looking forward to it. see you then, chris. thank you. chris is one of those guys who knows like county by county by county every single state. you remember election night 2012, right? remember the long walk down the hall? in fact, they 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why are people around the white house speculating about ron klain s future? shouldn t number one be take the job and worry about ebola? it is the number one priority. mr. klain starts tomorrow. mr. podesta continues to focus on the important job he has to do around here. he went on to say the stories were off base. the president and the ebola czar here ron klain will be dealing with all of this and they re showing signs of improvement, the crisis is easing a bit, but clearly it s not over yet. that s why there s pressure on klain to get going. ed, thank you. as we watched the botched response to this deadly virus, my next guest says we re getting a real lesson in government bureaucracy, a showdown between the federal vision of president reagan versus president obama. watch this. government is not the solution to our problem. government is the problem. you ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate sinister entity that is the root of all our problems. you should reject these voices. what a contrast between those two men, and in the same way isis and its growth in the middle east has called into question these two big philosophies of government, those of the left and the right, if we become less interventionalist, if we retreat a bit, will we be safer with a more robust foreign policy a more assertive america. this ebola crisis, you believe, has shined a light on the same distinction between the left and the right when it comes to big government. you know what s interesting is when you have president reagan in office saying that government is the problem, american trust in government rose because they saw that a smaller government at least domestically and a bolder government internationally could be a better government. now we have a president with almost limitless space in government giving that speech in april or may of 2013 telling people to believe in government. and what we have are serial failures, the veterans administration scandal, the secret service scandal, healthcare.gov, the inability so far to give americans a straight story about what ebola might mean for them. so what we re seeing is the reality of what president reagan said in 1981, government is the problem and we have to view everything it does with a great deal of skepticism both at the level of the lowest bureaucracy and the so-called experts. how does ebola show us that? because the white house would say, look, we have two cases here, two nurses here who actually contracted it. those have been addressed, are being addressed. it didn t spread beyond that so far. so i imagine they think the system is working. there are a few bumps in the road but the government is handling this. the system is working until we re surprised by the next failure. that s really what s happened here. there s pervasive mistrust for a good reason of the government s response so far in part because of its inability or refusal to do the basic things, the most basic of which would be a ban on any nonessential travel to the ebola-infected countries of west afri africa, which also make assurances which are completely baseless. on our show he came on and i pressed him, you don t need the double gloves, you don t need to cover your head, you don t need to cover your shoes, no, it s fine. then yesterday they change their guidelines, yes, cover your head, wear double gloves, cover your shoes. i shouldn t have come that realization before dr. frieden. but why am i asking the cdc about this before they come up with it on their own? liberals tend to believe that nature is predictable, human behavior is predictable, things happen the way the experts perceive them to happen and the insight is that nature is wildly unpredictable and human behavior is unpredictable and the nature of government, the nature of society is that we tend to be surprised by events. so we have to engineer our responses accordingly. people are debating, what should government do. let s ask ourselves a prior question, megyn, what can government do and then organize our activities accordingly. are we really equipped to effect live i monitor, screen and track passengers, about 150 passengers a day coming in from these west african countries? i m not sure we are. that s why really they don t really trust the tsa to do it anyway and they want people to sign forms and they ve limited the travel into five different airports. it s getting closer and closer to a travel ban by the day. they would say big government did nota ñ%ñ fail. they would say healthcare.gov is a problem, but they thing obama care is a huge success. they think that the state department they stand by hillary clinton s handling of it, the irs they thing that was a nothing-burger, not a smidgen of corruption. you can go down the list where the two visions just ne er the two shall meet. americans are getting a short and upsetting course in just which vision is proving to be right. someone wrote recently about how the obama administration is just constantly being surprised by that. they have a plan, they think something is working and again and again things blow up in their face. how is it that this president who believes in government didn t know what was happening in the veterans administration? how is it that we didn t know that we had a secret service that was unable to guard the white house, some of its core functions? we re not talking about the question of its politics or even of its policies. we re talking about the ability of huge bureaucracies that are poorly overseen, poorly managed and poorly staffed to do their basic tasks. do you think as we watch these democrats running from the president because the president had struggles when he was re-elected but re-elected in record numbers, do y think it s this issue that s depressing poll numbers with his own core? isis, all of this, what is it? it really is a perception of a president who doesn t have any handle on his own administration, a president who is always being surprised by all sorts of events. a world in which things seem to be blowing up and which we re always reacting on the defensive a day late and a dollar short. and americans are taking note of that. that s reflected in what appears to be a wave building up against democrats in the next couple weeks. good to see you. good to be here. new question tonight in our fight against the terror army known as isis and whether this group is a lot bigger and even more dangerous than we previously knew? 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well, i ve looked at that footage right now that you ve got on the screen, and clearly the parachute is one of our precision-guided parachute, a cargo chute dropped out of a c-130 if you can believe the pentagon. but the fact that it went off target is a great propaganda video for these guys. i look at the other footage that shows the hand grenades. those are not u.s. hand grenades. we don t make that kind of pineapple grenade. haven t for a long time, world war ii, in fact. but the fact is a mistake was made, the pentagon said they initially destroyed that parachute. remember that? that was yesterday. what can we believe out of this pentagon and this administration? in the meantime, we re hearing more activity around baghdad. i know you ve been sounding the alarm on this saying we need to keep our eyes on baghdad because that s the golden prize for isis, that s what it wants. today there were mortar attacks 500 meters from the u.s. embassy. this isn t the first time this has happened but what do you think is the significance? kobani is a prize for isis. they can t capture baghdad but they can hit our embassy. and there are people with boots on the ground, not at the pentagon, who are convinced that isis is preparing a complex assault on our embassy, meaning suicide vehicles, suicide vests, the same tactic, by the way, used in fallujah, mosul and ramadi. they re former republican guards officers. they know baghdad. they ve infiltrated over a thousand fighters into baghdad s sunni indianeighborhoods. what we re seeing are the probes and the rehearsals and the reconnaissance for a major attack that will be preceded by an attack on najaf coinciding with the holiday that commemorates the death of his grandson. do you think that it might happen within a number of weeks, by november? there are people on the ground with whom i communicate almost every day. several have assured me that that is their major concern. i can understand why it would be. because baghdad s embassy surrounded by a concrete wall is big and maybe the biggest in the world, but you put enough explosives up against it, you will have an enormous hole. what you can then do is flood a lot of people into that embassy. you don t want a repeat of saigon 1975. but the iranians won t let that happen. they won t let baghdad fall. let s play out the worst case scenario. they attack kabbalah or najaf which are major shiite sh rins. the so-called relish ya are all shiites. they fled south and southwest to get to those two places then isis leads the attack into the embassy. they re not going to be able to capture baghdad. it s too big, even with 40,000 fighters. but it will be a major propaganda victory. if it happens november 3rd, the next day in america, we have, oh, yeah, that s an election. colonel oliver north. thank you, sir. better news next time, i hope, megyn. absolutely. a watergate legend passed away tonight, james rosen. that after the break. will that be all, sir? 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yeah. i can t do the reporting for my reporters, which means i have to trust them. and i hate trusting anybody. one of the many iconic scenes from the political thriller all the president s men. tonight we remember the real life man behind the character. a short time ago we got word that ben bradlee has died. the 93-year-old guided the washington post through the watergate scandal and was one of the few who knew the identity of deep throat early on. tonight bob woodward and carl bernstein say ben bradlee had the courage of an army and they loved him deeply. james rosen joins us by phone. james, ben bradlee was watergate, you ve written a book about watergate but he was about so much more than watergate as well. that s right. ben bradlee helped bring newspaper reporting to a kind of zenith in the 20th century before watergate with the publication of the pentagon papers. they were at the tip of the spear in that fight to publish this massive archive of the history of our involvement in vietnam, and they were backed up by the u.s. supreme court in a big way, then, of course, with the watergate scandal, ben bradlee really was a unique journalism figure in journalism. he was close to power. he d been a confidant of president kennedy. but he was someone who challenged power and someone who exercised power like no one else of his time. was he a partisan guy? for sure. there was no doubting that ben bradlee existed on the left of the ideological spectrum, but he was an establishmentarian. he stood for standards and excellence, but he was, as i mentioned v friendly with president kennedy. they had a kind of boozy schmoozy friendship which bradlee recounted in his 1975 memoir conversations with kennedy. when richard nixon became president, he could not imagine that he had a particular fan as the executive editor of the washington post in ben bradlee, but none the else ben bradlee stood for fairness and accuracy in journalism. the washington post has a piece tonight, nothing pleased bradlee more than nailed the corrupt, pricked a narcissist, felled a climber and really told it like it was. what a great tribute, and we can only hope that someone will say something half as kind about us, james when our day finally comes. thank you for being here. thank you, megyn. but first, coming up on hannity at the top of the hour? do you want more outsources of jobs? 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go from public places and coming within three feet of other people. critics alarmed by hickox s defind have launched an online petition to have her nursing license revoked. you are looking at live pictures now from outside of the house where it s possible that hickox may speak to reporters. stephanie gosk is with us. let s talk to her really quickly. do we have any advanced word on what ms. hickox will say? reporter: we don t know. certainly this is a victory for her camp. there are certainly restriction as cording to this order. this order is pending a hearing that will be coming up, which could potentially reverse it. but for now, these restrictions on her leaving and going out in public as well as this idea that she could only go out and be, as far as three feet from people. the judge determined that is unnecessary. the only restrictions that are necessary for her right now is this direct active monitoring which includes a health official checking her at least once a day, as well as checking in with state officials if she plans to travel. that s so this direct monitoring can continue to take place. what s a little unclear, according to one of her lawyers that we just spoke to, what that travel means. does that mean leaving the stated, the town, your house? there are things they re looking to clarify. certainly this is this is far less restrictive than what the state was originally seeking. certainly what the health officials here in the state were saying very early on in the week, which is they wanted to restrict her completely inside of her house, threatening arrest if she left. wow. we will continue to follow this one. nbc s stephanie gosk in maine. thank you very much. now to pennsylvania where the seven-week man hupt for an accused cop killer is over. 31-year-old eric frein was arrested last night by u.s. marshals outside the hangar of an abandoned airfield in the pocono mountains. he made his first court appearance where he was formally charged with nine counts, including first-degree murder, in the ambush of a police barracks that injured one state trooper and killed another. the families of this matter of corporal bryon dickson and corporal douglass have had a loss. today we find some comfort as a community that we are taking these next steps toward justice. sarah doloff is live in blooming grove, pennsylvania. i understand one of the beneficiaries is halloween, which is back on for that community. reporter: that is correct, joy. halloween had been canceled out of concern for the safety of the community. and today the news that it is back on and eric frein is behind bars. this following seven weeks of a community being on edge. a pipe bomb found in the woods of this mysterious figure in black with his face covered in mud cited several times after all of this, this arrest went down completely peacefully with no shots fired. in fact, law enforcement describes eric frein s surrender as rather meek. they say he obeyed law enforcement commands and put his hands up in the air. one atf agent telling me almost that he expected this was coming. that he knew the end was near. he was taken into custody in the handcuffs belonging to the man he s accused of killing. he was also taken in that corporal s patrol car to jail. it is a fitting end, those say, who knew that trooper and who have been working to capture frein. they ve been going 48 days. but they say they were prepared to go as long as it took. we were pretty confident he was in this search zone. it was just a matter of getting to him safely. this is an individual who murdered a police officer, a state trooper, severely injured another. and you ve got this individual running around in dense woods with a scope rifle and explosives. it s extremely dangerous for our officers to try to pursue him. there was never any hesitation on anybody s part. we knew we were going to take him into custody. reporter: and this morning eric frein arraigned in court on charges ranges from first-degree murder and weapons of mass destruction. prosecutors do plan to seek the death penalty. in the community, a huge sigh of relief. people trying to get back to normal after having schools canceled, halloween briefly canceled. the hunting portion called off. there was a huge outpouring of gratitude to the men and women of law enforcement who spent so many days, so many hours tracking this man down. in fact, right in front of the state police barracks where the shooting occurred, someone hung a huge bed sheet where they spray painted the words, way to go psp. way to go, pen state police. thank you very much. over to kansas where officials say it could be days before crews can recover the bodies inside of an unstable flight simulator after a plane crashed into wichita s mid-continent airport. ron mott has the latest. reporter: the twin-engine turboprop slammed into the building minutes after takeoff. inside pilots practicing maneuvers in flight simulators. mark goldstein tried turning back to the runway. he didn t have much time. from the time he hit the power to time he hit the building was 30 seconds. reporter: they say it was flying, struggling to climb, leaving him, the only one aboard, struggling to maintain control. aircraft traffic transmissions captured his dilemma pep called the tower soon after getting airborne. i just lost left engine. reporter: a few seconds of silence and then this. lana johnson said she saw something go down but was initially uncertain exactly what. it was windy and i just heard a big, loud noise. i didn t know what it was. then i could see smoke coming up from around the side of the building. reporter: hours after the crash, smoke still billowed from the building which officials say will be inspected before wreckage and bodies can safely be removed. until such time as we can render the building safe, we ll take all the precautions necessary to ensure none of our firefighters are hurt. that was nbc s ron mott reporting from wichita, kansas sflu let. let s go to the campaign trail where president obama is in rhode island making his midterm pitch, focusing on women and economy. we need to make sure that women get an honest day s pay for an honest day s work. nbc s kelly o donnell is live at the white house. why rhode island? . reporter: well, it is a blue, blue state with an important governor s race. what we ve seen from the president is his effectiveness on the campaign trail has been more in the competitions for the state house, not for the people who would ultimately be working down the street here in washington on capitol hill. the president s also been effective on the fund-raising side of this. but being in maine and rhode island, those are places where the president has a big base of support and can make those economic arguments, which have more that one purpose. certainly for the local crowd and also trying to send that message across the country for voters who are thinking about which way will they go on tuesday? and the president trying to direct their attention to pocketbook issues and trying to make the case that democratic candidates would be more likely to support things like an increase in the minimum wage and more attempts to make the playing field more level for women in the workforce. going for some of his best arguments, you might say, where he has a comfortable ground under his feet to make that political pitch at a time when the election season has not been kind to the president. he has not been invited many places. so, trying to end on a big note in a place that is friendly turf and then, of course, as you know, joy, the day will end with a little holiday fun like many american dads passing out candy and treats to some children invited to the white house today. so, that s sort of the holiday thing. if there s an october surprise to be had, it is, what is the president passing out later tonight. that would be a cool place to trick-or-treat for a kid. kelly o donnell at the white house, thank you. a reid alert on the river of lava menacing the hawaiian town of pahoa. the molten rocks is threatening to split the town in two as it makes its slow advance to the main road that makes its way right through the town. more than 80 national guard troops are on the ground and helping to guide the nearly 1,000 residents to safety. we ve got more developments in maine. let s go back to kaci hickox as she s speaking out. and even more humbled by the support that we have received from the town of ft. kent, the state of maine, across the u.s. and even across the globe. i know that ebola is a scary disease. i ve seen it face to face. and i know we are nowhere near winning this battle. we will only win this battle as we continue this discussion as we gain a better collective perception of ebola and public health. as we overcome the fear. and most importantly, as we end the outbreak that is still ongoing in west africa today. to my fellow health care workers in africa, both national and international staff risking their lives to fight this disease today, my thoughts, prayers and gratitude remain with you. it has been a privilege to work with you. and i know that as a global community, we can end ebola. thank you very much. reporter: kaci, the state says your roommate in sierra leone has ebola. is this true? this is incorrect information. i guess it happens sometimes, there s incorrect information. i don t want to focus on that. i want to focus on the fact that we have a really good decision that offers human treatment to health care workers coming back after working to fight this terrible disease. reporter: kaci, the judge asked you be sensitive to the fears in the community. what does that mean to you? you know, i completely understand that and i am sensitive. this is one of the reasons i m saying this battle isn t over. we still need to continue this discussion. we still need to continue educating ourselves. and i don t want to make anyone uncomfortable. i think so far ted and i have shown a lot of respect to this community. we care about the community. you know, i m a nurse and a public health worker. i don t want to make people uncomfortable. reporter: how was pizza? it was amazing. in fact, i just had another piece this morning. [ inaudible ] i m taking things minute by minute. tonight i m going to convince ted to make me my favorite japanese meal and watch a scary movie bays uts halloween. reporter: are you satisfied by the decision of the judge today? i m very satisfied by the decision. you know, the three points that he is still recommending that i abide by are three points that i will leave as part of this good compromise we can make. i have been compliant with the direct active monitoring that the cdc recommends. i will continue to be compliant. and, yeah, it s just a good day. reporter: they say you haven t been acting smart, riling people up. you know, i don t really have a comment for governor page. not right now. reporter: when will you go back to west africa? we will see. i hope so. i love working overseas. it s been a large part of my life since 2006. there s just probably never going to be a time in my life i wouldn t say i would go back. reporter: do you have any plans to go into town or anything like that? like i said, i m taking things minute by minute. thank you, though. reporter: are you accepting trick-or-treaters? well, we don t have any candy currently because we haven t been shopping for a while. thank you all so much. i really appreciate it. and happy halloween. reporter: thank you for your patience. thank you. okay, that was nurse kaci hickox giving a quick news conference outside of her home in a remote part of maine. she said she s satisfied with the judge s order which essentially ruled against the state of maine and the governor, for whom she had no comment. she is free to move about. she can move her home. however, she is following cdc guidelines about self-monitoring and she said we need to continue to fight this outbreak in afr a africa. she says she knows ebola is a scary disease. sensitive to the community and its concerns. she added at the end there, she doesn t have any candy for anybody thinking about trick-or treating but a very healthy looking kaci hickox. very happy with that judge s ruling in her favor. of course, we ll stay with this story. we will be back. meanwhile, four days before election day, an estimated 14 million americans have already cast their ballots under early voting laws. that s up about 15% that s 15% of the total vote from the 2010 midterms. in states like colorado and florida, up to 50% of their 2010 turnout have already cast their votes. for democrats, that means if they can win enough close senate races to retain the majority, their party s success driving up those early vote totals will probably be the reason why. michael mcdonald leads the united states election project and also teaches political science at the university of florida. thank you for being here. talk about the impact that early voting laws have had on turnout. we don t really have any election day now. we have like an election month. correct. in states that have early voting laws the ak dpemic literature is mixed but we find one to two percentage points greater turnout in states that have early voting. that effect may be greater in state and local elections. in what states has this been most pronounced? i know it varies a lot. dh states have early voting. here we don t. ohio got it early. it made a huge difference in the turnout. are there states where it s been more pronounced? there are lots of different flavors of early voting across the country. we have states like over other, washington and colorado that run all-mail ballot elections. they cast their votes by mail instead of going to voting polls. voters can drop off those ballots on election day and colorado in addition has early polling locations where voters can vote as well. then other states that have various types of mail balloting laws that are permissive. for example, minnesota just recently went to no-fault absentee voting. florida with sort of a permanent absentee ballot status new for this election. there are different flavors for this mail ballot. then in-person voting where states will set up special polling places for voters to go in person and vote early rather than vote by mail. let s just go through a few of the states where we have pronounced early voting. in ohio as of, i guess, last tuesday, 414,964 absentee ballots by mail, 81,000 in person, almost 1,000 military. north carolina, 879,000, 779,200, which is 30% of the 2010 turnout, which means this year will exceed the early 2010 vote. is this equal among both parties? is it a phenomenon that s more pronounced among one party or another? we ve already seen states like north carolina, georgia, louisiana and iowa surpass their 2010 raw vote numbers. and that should be relatively good news for democrats because it likely means we re going to see not only high early vote but also high election day vote. and if you look under the hood and look at some of the numbers we do have available in states like north carolina and georgia, we can see that the people who are showing up above what we had in 2010 are people who didn t vote in 2010. and they look more democratic. they re more registered democrats. in north carolina, more minorities in georgia who showed up and didn t participate in the 2010 election. they say this is everywhere but we can definitely verify in georgia and north carolina. and there are several states in addition to the state that the the two states you mentioned, north carolina and georgia, colorado and iowa seem to be the same thing. up to 20% of the early sloeters so far, according to a piece in the new york tooimsz today. democrats are really pushing hard on in-person early voting. republicans tend to do more absent absentee. so far among early voters 39% of those showing up are democrats. 30% are republicans in north carolina, colorado and iowa. do they tend to make up that difference on election day? generally in the early vote we see a lot of democrats vote earlier, especially places that have dual early voting mode where you have in-person and mail balloting. democrats really rack up numbers in that in-person early voting period. and then what we see then is a much different election day. that will also likely be true in places like iowa as well. for colorado, it s an all-mail ballot election so we don t know what to expect since this is the first time colorado has run an election like this. but republicans so far have been turning out at much higher rates than democrats. we ll have to see over the next couple days because the way in which these patterns typically work out is you re going to see more democrats get in the mix later. it may be that democrats are going to be able to overcome this advantage republicans have built up in colorado. the one thing we have seen is attempts to roll it back in some states where it s been prevalent and ohio comes to mind there. have restrictions on early voting resulted in early voting turnout particularly among minority voters. the big test case on this right now is north carolina. and the number of days were restricted by a week in north carolina. also we have a number of hours expanded during this last week of the election. and as far as we can tell, north carolina s going to exceed it s 2010 numbers by quite a bit. so, it looks as though the shuffling around of the hours hasn t had a big detrimental effect on voter turnout. in ohio, we have to get through a lot ofvoting because they have mail ballots and they can postmark them and we ll count them after the election. that happens in alaska, too, by the way. we have to wait for some states to get all their ballots in before we can determine. a long pre-election run-up and maybe a long post-election, too. thank you for being here. appreciate it. my pleasure. now three things to know on this friday. matt bissonnette, the former navy s.e.a.l. who wrote a firsthand account of the raid that killed osama bin laden under the pen name mark owen is being investigated for possibly disclosing classified bissonnette expects the profits from the book will be paid to the department of defense for this rule violation. jesse jr., the main suspect in the death of hannah graham appeared in court with a separate sexual assault case. his lawyer requested a mental evaluation for matthews, insanity, but was denied. the judge said he should represent matthews in all three cases and judge said, no, and assigned him co-counsels. the president of burkina faso assumed power. yesterday protesters set parliament on fire as the former president and ruling party tried to push through a bill that would have allowed him to run for re-election after 27 years in power. so guys it s just you and your honey. the setting is perfect. you know what? 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texas is going blue. listen to me, texas has been a conservative state since dinosaurs roamed it 6,000 years ago. at least that date s according to the texas state high school textbooks. and this comes, liz, as you have a new poll showing wendy davis is trailing greg abbott by substantial margins, 32 to 47. you have an organization lady parts justice really trying to push on these issues of reproductive justice. why do you suppose wendy davis, who came to fame on those very issues, is doing so poorly? you know, i don t i think part of it is redistricting is redistricting. and texas, i think, can turn blue. let s not forget that 20 years ago texas had a female governor, who was an admitted alcoholic and divorcee and progressive. i don t think the dinosaurs were walking the earth back then. i do think with texas, the media has a lot to do with it. i think there is so much going on with the way that reproductive justice has become an issue that s big, but in a state as big as texas, there are so many other issues. as a democratic strategist, tear remarks how would you advise democrats with a state such a large majority population that so undervotes its population share and they can t seem to move the needle. you re absolutely right. that s a great point. this is an ongoing problem for the democratic party that needs to be addressed. we need to get in there early, much earlier in these campaigns, organizing, on the ground. we re running a robust ground operation right now, but this ground operation needed to start a lot sooner. we needed our candidates to announce and be on the ground and knocking on doors and doing those things much sooner. a little inside baseball here with voter files and things like that that a lot of folks don t know about, but a lot of times the party doesn t maintain the list. so, every year, every election cycle we re recreating lists of people who are attracted to our party and who have signed up to be volunteers or supporters in some way, shape or form. those lists aren t being passed on and maintained and cultivated. you have to reinvent the wheel. there s an element of a woman running, she was very judged. we shouldn t say this is over up. never know what will happen in an election. i don t believe polls are be all and end all by any stretch of the imagination. do you feel there s a way in which wendy davis has been judged as a person in a different way than other candidates because she s a woman? oh, absolutely. it s been a hugely personalized campaign and this happens to women all the time. she s handled it as well as possible. people can criticize decisions about being a her abortions, when she did, how she did it. she couldn t do it right for this culture and for this particular time. i applaud her for her candor. i like jon stewart but i don t like the idea he mocked texas for turning blue. it will turn blue in my lifetime. i don t mean when we re old and gray, i mean probably in the next two or three cycles because the demographic factors are on the side of democrats. if you don t run, you can t win. and this year we will look back and we will say, texas democrats may progress. and speaking of demographics, let s look at a state like louisiana. mary landrieu, who s well, she s always embattled. know is predicting doom and gloom for mary landrieu. she somehow pulls it off. she had thoughts of running in louisiana as a particular thing and she talked about women and issues of race. i want to let you listen to what she said. take a listen. to be very honest with you and the south hasn t always been the friendliest place for african-americans. it s been a difficult time for the president to present himself in a very positive light as a leader. it s not always been a good place for women to present ourselves. it s more of a conservative place. so, weave had to work a little harder on that. you know, but the people trust me, i believe. really, they do, to trust me to do the right thing for the state. and what an appropriate time to bring in jimmy williams, msnbc contributor and appropriately a man of the south. those comments were taken as controversial, jimmy, but you and i both know they re fundamentally true, right? why would it be controversial for mary landrieu to say something as obvious as race plays a factor in the difficulty of president obama, you know, getting traction in a place like louisiana? let me ask you this, i ll turn the question back on the questioner. if an african-american man were not sitting in the white house right now, do you think we d actually be having this problem? i m willing to bet the answer is no, we would not. and that confronts, that is a very realistic and upfront way of saying that race does play into each of these races, whether they be in the midwest, the south or the northeast for that matter. we just saw two black children, 11 and 13, beaten up on a playground in the bronx. racism isn t just a southern thing. it s all over this country. and race does play into this, no doubt. joan, you wrote a book called what s the matter with white people where you tackle the white part of that argument, how white voters insecurities about economics and other things have played into these racial issues. it isn t just in the south. it s not just in the south. i wouldn t say everyone who opposes the president from the right or left has a racial anamous behind it. there are people with perfectly legitimate reasons. have you to look at the south and say why did barack obama get 40% less of the white vote got than al gore got in 230 2000? why does he struggle so hard? one of my pet peeves about election coverage now is reporters find it completely acceptable to say, well, you know, they re linking the president with mary landrieu because he s not popular with the voters. excuse me, he s very popular with black voters, latino voters, asian-american voters. there s one group he s not popular with and it s white voters. but you re the racist somehow if you say that mary landrieu is in trouble because she stated the truth very carefully, i might add. the black vote is her be all, end all at this point, right? right. at this point. i wish she would have pointed that out particularly with the black audience. it s true, unfortunately. with we ve gotten to the point if you say anything about race, make any legitimate criticism about racism in this country, the right has created a situation where you are then you are then lambasted and turned and demonized and turned into the racist yourself. you re the real bizarre. i want to end it with liz. do you think wemeomen will comet in substantial numbers in this cycle? if so, what will be driving that? i think we will. i think what will drive it if we do it correct is reconnecting reproductive issues, as women know is the exact same issue. every time a republican says, why do you keep hammering home reproductive justice issues instead of talking about the economy, every woman says, are you an idiot? they are exactly the same thing. one leads to another. our super duper panel, we ll have to have you back. thank you all. thank you. a rye reminder as parts of our special election coverage we ll host live twitter chats, mika and joe from morning joe will be answering your questions. 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i guess just my own persons with coming out and being trans, and sort of the search for fining a sense of stability in your life as a transperson, a transwoman. that s difficult with a lot of the stigmas you face in society. and, you know, that certainly wasn t lessened any by working in a male-dominated sort of environment. male-dominated environment, i think that isn t even the half of it. we re talking about this very macho profession, fire fighting. walk us through the process of walking through your colleagues, your supervisors, about your plan to transition? goodness. it s really difficult. i got on the fire department in 2008. i was fresh out of college. i had sort of i knew that my gender identity was sort of in flux at time and i was sort of trying to figure out how how that was going to manifest in my life. and getting on the fire department just sort of took all of my focus at the time. so, it wasn t until i was on the fire department for like a year and a half, two years, that i really decided that i i needed to be true to myself and transition. so i went down and spoke with someone at headquarters and i let them know. you know, this is something that i need to do in my personal life. what s the best way to handle this? and so we figured at the time i was going to go offline for a while. you worked desk duty? yeah. i actually worked in recruitment headquarters, which was great placement because we were sort of through the learning process for myself and the department through my transition, it was also wonderful to be able to utilize just sort of my own personal background and my own experience to do some recruitment for the fire department in, you know, nontraditional settings. so, it was really wonderful. i got to do a lot of recruitment with the lbgt community, which is very important to me. which is a big part in why i m active in this campaign right now. there s such a pervasive attitude in society that fire fighting is, you know, for straight, white men. 40 women on the fire department right now in a force of over 10,000. that s not even 1%. not even close. it s not it s barely half of 1%. and i really think that has less to do with women and their ability to do this job. and it has more to do with society s attitude on firefighters and who should be firefighters. and i think that is intimidating to a lot of women and a lot of lbgtq identified people. so a lot of times you discount yourself from things simply because the world around you gives off this impression that you internalize. that you wouldn t that i can t do that. what s been amazing is the fire department in new york, the fdny, new york fire department, has been supportive of you. they tweeted out their unwavering support of you. to raise awareness about lbgtq rights. you talk about the huge advancements we ve had in the lgb part or the lg part of that equation. for transgender people there hasn t been as much advancement. why do you think this is sort of the first time in history and it s to use a word laverne cox uses a lot, it s revolutionary. this is the time in history where it s really the first time that transpeople have had mainstream attention that they have been able to tell their own stories. that we as transpeople have been able to stand up and say, this is what trans is like. these are our lives. this is the difference it s making. i think it makes a difference when it comes from the people facing the issues rather than people talking at you or about you. it s a different thing to come out and say, this is me and this is this is issues i face on a daily basis and see how that affects people. so, it s staggering the rates, you know, that transpeople there was a 2011 study that says transpeople are at double the rate of unemployment. when you look at transpeople of color, it goes up to four times the national rate of unemployment. you re talking about statistics, 90% of transpeople face discrimination or harassment on the job. and that almost half of transpeople are at some point or another either going to commit suicide, attempt to commit suicide it or contemplate it. those are unreal statistics. it takes people like you who are so strong in coming out and as you said, putting a face and a voice to an issue that s so important. brooke, it is really great to have you here. thank you. and quoting laverne cox is always, always appropriate on my show. role model for my life. indeed. thank you for being here. take good care. we re continuing to follow breaking news outs of california where a passenger spaceship being developed by virgin galactic crashed during test flight at mojave air. two pilots were aboard the spaceship and their status is not known at this time. it s not clear. we are continuing to follow it. the statement we have here is that during the test the vehicle suffered a serious anomaly resulting in the loss of the vehicle. the white knight 2 aircraft. status of the pilots is unknown at this time. and i believe we do now have nbc space analyst james oberg. what do you know about the status of the two pilots? reporter: rumors are still coming in. people are still hearing on the police radio and that hasn t been confirmed but the news isn t too encouraging about the pilots. what is spaceship 2 . reporter: it s to call passengers, space tourists, up into space 100 kilometers, about 65 miles up. they re paying $200,000 per ticket. it s several years behind schedule. they ve been having engine problems in the past. some serious problems. this was a new kind of engine. the first time they were going to light this new engine in flight. and now this very, very tragic result. and i m going to interrupt you quickly. we re getting california highway patrol, one pilot dead, one injured in this crash. there s a lot of discussion about this white knight 2 carrier aircraft which was flying along with the spaceship 2 rocket. is the white knight 2, is that a traditional aircraft? we re looking at pictures which i assume are white knight 2 and spaceship aboard it? no, they re both very special kinds of aircraft. original design was white knight 1 and spaceship 1, ten years ago they flew that vehicle, won a prize, a cash prize to get the first commercial into space. but the white knight 2 is a carrier. it s it carries underneath its belly the rocket plane itself, which is dropped at high altitude and then makes a straight up flight to the edge of space. and the idea, obviously, of space tourism was to find a new use for this technology that had really been military, had been national. there have been more than one successful space tour it s flight? we remember the famous first one. have there been any after that? well, the so-called space tourists have bought very expensive tickets to orbit. it s much harder to get into orbit around the earth, 100 times harder and 100 times more expensive. people have bought tickets but only six or eight people. sara brightman is going to ride a russian rocket a year from now up to the international space station as a space tourist. but getting up and down was supposed to be the easier way of doing it. there are short flights. you only spend five or ten minutes weightlessness but you look back and can see the earth, see the horizon. it was a terrific experience. and it will be. because there are a number of companies working on this kind of hardware. virgin galactic was the most famous and most well advertised and seemed to be the most far along until today. i have to ask you to hold on for a minute. i want to quickly go to tom costello for the latest updates. are you hearing what we re hearing, one dead and one injured in this crash? we have been hearing that was a distinct possibility. we ve talked to people on the ground who say there is significant debris on the ground. one witness told us they thought that there was one person sdeegsed. we don t know the names and we wouldn t report them anyway at this point. we do know, as you probably know, this particular vehicle generally has two pilots on bothered, two test pilots. let s underscore this. this is a test vehicle. the vehicle they have been trying to get a good engine on. and they were trying to get to the point they could eventually take paying customers up into space. some very high-profile names had signed up to be to pay something like $250,000 for a ride into space, which would allow them really only about four minutes or so in suborbit. not true orbit. we re not going to the international space station. this is simply a matter of getting up and just above the earth s atmosphere, allowing participants to float free for a few minutes. then the vehicle would float back down to earth. back down to a landing strip in the mojave desert. the breakup occurred the plane drops, spaceship 2 drops from the plane. then a rocket fires. right there. the rocket is about to fire. this is file video. this is where we believe the incident may have occurred. for some reason, there was an anomaly. something went terribly wrong and the vehicle exploded or came apart at altitude. there are reports of parachutes down in the desert. you do have to wonder whether at this extreme altitude where this vehicle may have come apart at, whether anybody would have been able to survive a parachute drop from that altitude. you ve got very limited oxygen up there. you ve got high speed that the vehicle s already traveling at. a lot of concern there as you might expect. this is richard branson s program, as you know. richard branson brought in or, rather, assumed the entire project after we saw them win the x prize. they won the x prize with this vehicle. the whole notion they could bring people into suborbit, richard branson brought it, saw a commercial opportunity, that s why we ve had test flights for the better part of a year and a half or so. thank you. i want to bring in anthony roman, commercial pilot. let s pick up on the point tom made. could someone in theory survive a parachute jump from the altitude at which this separation would have taken place? do we have tony? can you ask that question again? tom costello asked an interesting question whether a parachute jump in suborbit where this plane was flying is survivable? i highly doubt it. in suborbit you re approximately 70,000, 75,000 feet up. this particular spacecraft is known to re-enter the earth as atmosphere by folding itself in half and coming down in a falling leaf formation. as opposed to having any heat shield. it s very unlikely unless they had space suits that they would actually survive a jump like that. how much of a setback is it for this technology n your view, for this spectacular and tragic accident to have happened? well, all spacecraft are considered experimental technology and highly risky. it s well accepted they will have a significantly higher accident ratio than certified aircraft. so, the risk is accepted as part of the pioneer spirit, as part of the exploration spirit. so, i don t think it s going to be a huge setback in terms of the technology whether or not the investigators and board of director of virgin galactic will be affected by this in an adverse way. as it affects the business model is a whole other question. i want to thank anthony roman and james and tom costello. virgin galactic aircraft called spaceship two suffered an in-flight anomaly resulting in the loss of the aircraft. the aircraft suffered a serious anomaly, according to the company, resulting in the loss of the vehicle. we were hearing reports one dead, one injured. that is not confirmed by nbc news at this point. that s per the california highway patrol. spaceship two cockpit, this is a test flight, two pilots on board. these type of test flights are equipped with parachutes. after the anomaly chutes were reportedly seen in the desert. the cycle is up next. we continue to follow that breaking news. the california highway patrol reporting at least one person dead and one serious injury after a test run of virgin galactic spaceship two resulted in a crash in the mojave desert. nbc s tom costello is following the very latest for us. tom, what do you have? well, this is a real setback for virgin galactic and, of course, a tragedy for the people involved, the families involved. virgin galactic spaceship two was on a test flight. they are in a series they are conducting a series of test flights. ultimately to the run-up, their goal of putting paying passengers on this vehicle that would take them to suborbit. not orbit, but

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