let s welcome our guests, it s the return of the jedi. she s the fox news contributor. andy levy is here as well. way to wake up for this. and blazes national security editor, cannot dance sitting down, co-host of real news on the blaze tv. and sitting right next to me, a black man, get him out of here, it s comedian jack small. i don t have anything in that wild tirade. all right, will they right this oversight? it s the list that rocked the nation with shame and horror. the website medite. the 50 sexiest in the tv news and it s in a snub for the ages, none of the red eye staff is represented. now the usual sexy suspects are anderson cooper, laura logan and shaq, of course. i thought they said news? you re terrible. but none of us made the cut. not even andy levy s baby blue eyes. red eye asked mediaite for a sample. horrifying. do you know what s in these snubs? please include your answers, the guys from red eye. somebody should have been rented from the show. come on, one of you guys should have been on there. it should be me. it should have been you. why do pilateates if you re not going to make the list. the stench in a male pilates class is terrible. i don t even know if i can talk about this story, i m so angry, greg. are you telling me that the bags under my eyes from my insomnia, screw you matt willstein, screw you everyone. maybe if you had screwed them, you would have been on the list. maybe that s how they got on the list. i would like to apologize to mediaite, and to dan abrams. who s not on the list that you think should be on the list? that s a dangerous question. you can t answer that. dana perino, she gets enough accolades, she s on enough lists. she doesn t have to be on the list. 49 people on the list i would take off and put you on it. no one on the blaze like will cane is on the list. there s the other nondescript white guy. i demand a recount, although sheryl atkinson is on there. she gives mrs. robinson big fan, very lovely lady. jedia was there, so they got a few things right. if you look like pacy from dawson s creek or maybe michael j fox from the 80s, apparently you get no love. jeddedia, you re not on the list. under my name it says that the so i do owe you everything. there is no chemistry between us. i find you odous. i m not close enough to smell her. i can only see her. she makes me sick to my stomach. i don t even know why she s here. you know where they left off? by the way, this whole exercise was click bait and tv bait. mediaite was hoping shows would cover this. we were the only show that did because we weren t on the list. but nobody else did anybody. they left off, follow the trend here, lou dobbs, bill o reilly. governor huckabee, they were ageist. older men that don t like unlike jedia, they don t like older men. i don t discriminate when it comes to race, i just like older men. you like them when they re writing out that will. exactly. when they re saying your kids hate you. i love you. your kids hate you. none of us are getting any younger. nothing to look forward to. but this kind of thing, mediait perpetuates lookism. i found andy in the bathroom, weeping. i see him every day in the bathroom weeping. i don t know if it had anything to do with the list. you would too if it burned that much. he s sad that you re mad. the president sat down with nbc s chuck todd. he has two names, that s why he had a message on thursday for the millions of americans who may lose their health care because of obama care, after he repeatedly assured them they wouldn t. i am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me. we have got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them, and that we re going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough situation as a consequence of this. an interloper had an explanation of why people didn t know they might not get to keep their plan. we weren t as clear as we needed to be in terms of the changes that were taking place. let s take a look, shall we? this was then under the reform we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. period. and this is now. we weren t as clear as we needed to be in terms of the changes that were taking place. then you ve got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. now we weren t as clear as we needed to be in terms of the changes that were taking place. then if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. period. if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. period. now we weren t as clear as we needed to be in terms of the changes that were taking place. no, just kidding. it seems to me like you were perfectly clear, mr. president, perfectly clearly lining. meanwhile someone attempting to enroll using healthcare.gov. he had booties on. look how happy you are. you are going to be 80 years old with 65 cats. 65 cats. or 65 with 80 cats. he ll be dead, he ll be wrapped up in a blanket in a bedroom and you re going to be collecting his social kurt. for a guy who when he says period, he means asterisk, or that other thing that i can t decide on tv when you re going to say something else. he s good at apologizing to the rest of the world. he s not good at apologizing to americans when he lies to them. he likes to bow before american leaders, but he won t bow before americans when he s told them wrong. bow, boy. relax. it s weird, in the green room, you were saying he could take the phony apology and shove it. i couldn t blow you said thkouc that. i said that, but only to a p. we need to have a funeral for just the conversations about obama care. just a funeral for that. so we can t talk about it no more. this is the apology, it s like i m sorry that your face collected with my fist. keep your face moving. that s what he s saying, keep your face moving. it doesn t work in a relationship, though, you can t make that kind of apology. listen, things don t work out, old people and computers. you know what? you re wrong, though, it s young people who are in computers, none of them signed up. there s the problem, computers, they re going to kill us all, man, don t you know? c-2, baby, advocates. no, it s a little thing with a little bead. the king crimson album. the egyptians invented it many, many years ago they had a lot of great things, and what happened? the rise of a certain ideology. was it a real apology? or was it a fake apology? a real apology is, i m sorry i looked the american people in the face and lied. notice at the great ace of spades blog, not only did they lie about it, they specifically wrote the grandfather regular laying so that people who they considered to have substandard plans wouldn t be able to keep those plans. it won t work like that. ability nobody dying for health care. deaf con one is when businesses have to go through the mandate too and they start tossing people off left and right. they can go to the health care and not get health care. the fact of the matter is, if the grandfather the problem is if you have substandard health care, it s disappearing, if you got that through your business, you re going to have to change plans too. it s not just individuals. you re right, it s the end of days. it absolutely is. it s the end of people s health care, many of them want their health care. the problem is they re going to get it back, though, aren t they? no, these people lost their plans, now they re thrust into these exchanges. they re looking for a competing plan. they re paying two or three times the amount. the problem is this president has no hue mill it the when it comes to newspaper rose issues and he has no solution. i m sorry this happened to you, even though it wasn t my doing, in a kind of round about way, and i m going to fix it, but i m not going to tell you how i m going to fix it. i m not going to tell these people who lost their plans because of you. i took a wood panel station wagon to college. this is obama that s what people called it. they called it that as a joke. meaning you weren t getting laid. anybody with a shagging wagon was not getting late. they were being made fun of. but we re offering you a ferrari in place of the shagging wagon. your friend in colleges who didn t have a car, and wanted you to drive them places. hey, man, can we take the shagging wagon? it s so bitchin . they needed you to give them rides. that was the car from the chevy chase vacation movie. they were using you one good thing about it. i think that there should be a horror movie called grandfather clause and it is a very old cat that can walk on its legs a and it s grandfather clock. you like that? we can work on it. grandfather clock. what s the tag line. a perfect ending. queue a wow. a perfect nightmare. there you go. are you guys in the control room, are you hearing this? we may have to eject. we may have to eject. all right. why did i take that pill that shar rod gave me? anyway, this is the greatest night of my life and i want to hug you. when someone tells you half now and half later, you don t take the whole thing. if they said to you you have to take it now and you have to take it later. you need a lot of water. oh, man, you are sweating. yeah, i am. okay. we re kidding america, this is a sober table. it is. even the crew is laughing. cameraman just high-fived themselves. can we go to the next story? please? all right, the irs is an iffing mess. according to a treasury department report, the irs issued $4 billion in fraudulent tax refunds to people with stolen identities. some of these checks went to addresses in bulgaria, lithuania and ireland, countries that are not america. this is no such thing as lithuania. these people often swiped social security numbers from people who don t have to file tax returns, like the old, the young and those who died. the treasury department acknowledged that the swindlers eroded confidence in the tax system. we have tape of them trying to escape irs agents. on the other side was a shredder. not a pretty sight. and that s how you get glue. that was a very bloody cat. are you starting to lose faith in the federal tax system? starting, just a little bit at a time. these are people who are managing the obama care finds. these are the people that targeted conservative groups. this is an example of government inefficiency, no matter where you work. they sent 655 refunds to one address. one person got that, or one address, i should say. if we re going to get ripped off, get ripped off by americans, not by foreigners. american white people are supposed to have that money, not white people from different countries. li lithuania, wait your term. all these countries, they couldn t scam us. send them all the refunds they need. why are we sending refunds out of the country? it s h & r block. don t you have to have an american address to get a refund? i feel like if i write off a sandwich as a business expense five years ago, they bust out the rubber gloves, but if you get hundreds of refunds to lithuania. somebody says, get a lithuanian address, i ll get the refund, i ll split it with you. do they deserve the money for working this hard? absolutely. for those of us who have established the time and money to establish a second address in lithuania, they deserve what they get. the thing is, this is yet another irs scandal that nobody cares about. it s huge. huge. huge. $4 billion? it of course really a affects we lose $80 billion in medicaid fraud. $80 billion that s like a joke. coming up, are white people the cause of all problems? it was my diary, turned into a book. does twitter owe you money? write your name on the tv screen and they ll send you a check. 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time, the magazine, not the indefinite progress of existence. they tweeted per according to their map, justin bieber, he s worth over $20 million, me, 53,000. andy, 43,000, jedia, 73,000. you can get yourself a new used station wagon. and sharod, only 3,600, of course. that s racist. thank you. what are the twitter founders doing with their riches? take a look. i don t know about that, sharod, i would rather just move on. pretend we didn t see it. you are creating content for twitter. you know why? because i love my twitter army so much. like boston randy, and the girl. all of them, the girl. and the girl. and the girl. have you translated any of your twitter army into twitter sex? boston randy, he s a little rough. he s a little toothy. you know, i think twitter is a fun thing. but i don t understand, how you work $29 billion when you didn t earn one dollar? it s an amazing question? how does that work. you re asking an english major. you own 1% of the tsa. the backdoor program. andy, does this formula make sense to you? no, it s stupid. first of all twitter doesn t owe anyone money, we all tweet voluntarily for free. the calculator is stupid. they cut your followers by 73% in order to calculate that. one study showed in 2010 that 20% of tweets are ignored. their tweets can be seen by more people than just their followers. there are people who get a lot more retweets than i do. they also factor in the number of your tweets. this doesn t take delete a tweet into account. we have tweeted more than we give them credit for. he s oerged. he s the most organized twitterer. he deletes so he can be organized. you spend a lot of time on twitter? i really don t tweet all that much. is this the case to make a site pay for something when it was free? if i can get $73,000 out of it. there s got to be some way for me to try. right over there in that dress. twitter, i m willing to fly over in this dress and collect my $73,000. that s 80,000 people. did you hear about that guy, when he was paying for money, he wrote on the dollar bill, i don t have any money, send this there. he would get $30 to $40 a day? they turn on right now i just get sad, because every time a supermodel follows me on twitter. i m like oh, that s interesting. they re actually trying to sell me, like, gold or something. you actually thought it i heard heed a a shag mobile. no a shagging wagon. i would be dating that thing, but a multimillion dollar actress, but this guy has a used shagging wagon. that s amazing. twitter has provided a revelationary activity. in the sense that it s not my original point. but generally, when you re alone, you have pass sif entertainment, it s the first time you re really active. it s like you re oh, fondling. even when you re alone. it s making the most of that fondling time. there are people who have mon tiszed their twitter account. he s done that by tweeting a lot and by gaining a lot of followers. black gets paid for hawking just about anything because he s a disgusting man. it s only a matter of time that people are going to rehab for tweets. what are you doing there, buddy? that s the lee harvey oswalds of twitter. if somebody at a university did a study, that would be the study, the amount of tweeting versus followers. because that s the guy in the corner yelling, he s yelling to five people. and the five people following him are spam bots. some people look at twitter and say how can i monetize something off that. every time something says monetize, i gets some money. monetize.com or monetize.org. if it doesn t make money, we could make it a drinking game. every time somebody says, it s going to be a great drinking game, somebody s got to drink. is that screwing with your head, america? 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i support legalization of marijuana. but i don t think that the taxation argument, like i don t know that that s the way. i agree with you. they re going to make money on it. that s what a government does. in the fight between morality and revenue, with government revenue, it s sort of surprising. if prostitution was easier to keep tabs on and regulate, so i m told, i m just theorizing here. if they could, you know, reach on to it and suck money out of it, they would do it. oh, it s coming. this is friday night, the only way you re going to get this legalized is they re going to make money off of it. just go ahead and do it. it s not like you have to be a super criminal right now to get it. you used to make meth in your bath tube. if the taxes are high, won t pot smokers look to the black market? how dare you? you polled an african-american on that. they re going to legal it s like liquor, if people want it, they re going to have it. it ain t apparent that they re driving and killing people like liquor. liquor causes more punches in the face than pot does, that s for sure. if they ll arrest people for marijuana. it s laughable. andy, let me get you in here, because i know you feel strongly about this. most prolegalization people, they say hey, you should legalize it so you can tax it and make money on it. so it s a war on poor both groups want to legalize something, but one group thinks it s literally not the government s business at all. they re starting at 25%. it s never going to go below that. and why? because they have deemed in their head that a it s somehow sinful to get high when it s not. this is how other states are going to follow suit, though, because colorado is going to say, look at the fancy new school we are building. schools built on the backs of stoners, but at least the stoners are building something. they can t make special names for the schools, like doritos high. we always built things out of hemp. they ll all be high schools. there we go. roll that diploma up. getting in shape without the scrapes, more and more kids are getting lean and meaning through specialized workouts favored by adults, like cross fit training. the chicago sun times are saying that parents are enrolling children as young as 4 in high intensity workouts. trainers say some parents are doing it because they re worried about their kids weight. while others are trying to give their kids an edge before they play competitive sports. while others just find it sexy. kids should be running in the street or on the playground, where at least we can watch them. not working out with a trainer. we got to make our minds up as americans, do we want fat kids or do we want them to work it out? cross train them. who cares? why is this even an issue? they should be out chasing butterflies, with a butterfly net. that s what i did. there s no more butterflies left. or bees. and they banned those nets. i bet when you have kids, you re going to send them cross training to keep them from mingling with the riffraff at the playground. i think you have plenty of years when you get older. i have done cross fit, it s hard work, it s exercise that s focused on exercise. when you re young, you can sort of run around, play basketball, stuff where you re burning, but you don t realize i m exercising. i bet you re certified. i m not certified but i ve done it. and it s rough, cross fit is really rough. take the time to be a kid. it s like weight training combined with endurance. what about football, you have to practice and run around. i say keep kids in little boxes. bob, what do you think about this? i think when you re a little kid, you should be eating sticks of butter. your parents should be finding steal cheerios in places you should never fit a cheerio. you should be eating your little face off, then you learn what m humility is. this is what i m told, this is what people tell me. you can go to college with the shagging wagon. i have to say, though, that greg, if everybody has a six pack, what is a six pack really worth. that s true. i saw an eight pack the other day. see, when you have that sounds great. kid in a box. kid in a box. i m pretty sure you go to prison for that. not yet, andy. not when you keep shifting the boxes around. oh, sure, officer, go look in the box. how did he do that? thank you, penn gillette. hey, anti-it s god to have friends, because you can keep moving the kids from box to box. you enrolled your cats in cross fit kitty classes. this whole story is what we in the business call white people problems. yes? yeah, white people have too much damned money sending them to cross fit class. they should be out on the playground, skinning their knees, getting hurt, getting off toughed up, not in some organized environment. this is from some guy without a kid. i was just going to say, i don t know what the hell i m talking about and never will. the cross fit trainer is just the nanny. he s a nanny, except he s flipping huge tires over them. they want kids to play in the dirt so they build up an immunity to certain viruses and bacteria. it s the same thing with strangers. if you re indoors with cross fit, how are you going to learn how to say no so strangers with candy? you re going to be 16 and somebody s going to go, hey, would you like this giant thing of candy? and i m going to pretend like i hate being beaten up. this strange man won t let go. police, help. you got to build up endurance to things, you got to be exposed to stuff. i m devoting all my time to help other kids. it s self irk to my kids, because i would just be helping them. i like to help other kids. we re going to take a break. the joy of hate, why am i even speaking to you at this point? prilosec otc gives me zero heartburn. and zero heartburn is awesome. just like zero cutle. and you can t beat zero. 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i m just pointing at you for the hell of it. is that a veiled cabbage patch reference? what was your favorite toy? little green army men? you re taking rubber ducky, which is almost like a piece of apparel for your tub. little green army men, this is part of the culture. i would just like to say, i have a rubber ducky, greg. it is a life sized replica of ducky mallard. i keep it in my bathtub and i don t see what the problem is. here s the problem, this is why your toys won t get in, g.i. joe and army men? war. so my favorite toy, one of them, i don t know if it s a green machine. can you put a green machine on toy? it s a big wheel, but it s green. you spin around like that? i have this is my favorite toy growing up. smash under by set, you can hoot and holler because you ain t seen nothing yet. crash bang smash them up it s smash up time my friends. smash under by set comes with everything you see right here. whoa, whoa, whoa. when it crashes, you put it back? i just threw it away and went and bought another one. geez, i wish i had seen the commercial. this is my second favorite toy growing up. it tastes so fine riunite on ice riuniet so nice riunite tastes so nice riunite on ice riunite s so nice that was amazing. that was like rose wine for lonely people. speaking of andy. i bet your favorite toy was your brain. my brain is not a toy, greg. i actually did check can we roll a commercial? at a speed of 275 miles an hour. tcr is total control racing, you re in the driving seat. the control to change lanes and overtake the race is in your hands. can you asloid the jam car? play crossover racing, night ride on the lighted speedway and keep on trucking. i found a set on ebay for $30, i am this close to buying it. are you for real? if i have some drinks between when we tape this and when the show actually airs, i already bought it. so people have to go on to ebay and drive the by the time this airs, i will have bought it. tcr racing. it changed the game. it was a total game changer. i would get racers for christmas and it never worked and we always had to return it the next day and i was always crying. and i realized my dad did the same thing every year with the same track. good way to toughen you up. if you have a comment on the show, e-mail us. you got a video of an animal doing something, go to redeye@foxnews.com. love. in the nation, what s precious to you is precious to us. love is strange so when coverage really counts, count on nationwide insurance. we put members first. join the nation. nationwide is on your side brand new red eye returns monday, we ve got dana perino, stacy dash, tucker carlson oh, nice. yes. okay. will her jagged little pill become a broadway thrill? alanis moritett turning a album into a musical. thanks to hits like you ought to know . tell me the project is the same producer responsible for murdering a thousand people? kidding. it means it will be whiney and 90 minutes long. right. all of the musicals are about white rock stars. is broadway racist? the world is about white rock stars you ve got to learn like i ve learnd and just get used to it. i m going to change everything i do from now on just to make you happy. why not? yes. i mean don t get me started on alanis. i love alanis. i will go see this with my favorite lesbian friends. i m coming to get you. i ll be there. i tolerate you. you have the worst musical taste. i love alanis. she s almost not perfect anymore. yes. i will carry on. i like alanis morrisett, too. we ve got quickly. this belongs in the hidden recesses of the mind along with dave matthews band. i agree with you. andy? you ought to know that all i really wanted to put my nanned my pocket to pay for a ticket for this, greg. well done. who grabbed this? was that song about dave dollier? i don t know what do you want alanis moritett? when you want an excuse to hate your boyfriend, forever. this is completely ironic. i couldn t be happier. okay. what album from 90s should be made into a musical? i think it should be never mind . i think anything from public enemy. you shoot yourself and go over the front row. we just i would do the second radiohead album. that is really good. stone roses. you guys know stone roses? they re a british band really good. i m talking like a rock critic. you have a catalog with his illness in overcoming illness. i don t know anything more about it. it s like a 90s version of the steve miller band. what? who? because you re african american. no. no. we ve got to take a break. is it over already? it s the end of the show. okay. right back at you. america. see you later. in your nightmares! er: hello, i n idaho potato farmer. and our giant idaho potato truck is still missing. so my dog and i we re going to go find it. it s out there somewhere spreading the good word about idaho potatoes and raising money for meals on wheels. but we d really like our truck back, so if you see it, let us know, would you? 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i don t disagree. actually the number could be 60%, it could be 85%. to could be more. technological innovation is expanding that. there was junk spectrum years ago which is now prime spectrum. but the federal government can and must do more to relinquish spectrum for auction for diss exclusive use licenses for exclusive use licenses. let me ask then a follow-up question. are any of you aware of any reliable assessment of the value of all of the spectrum that is controlled by the government? and if not, can you imagine any sensible process for valuing it? and assessing just how significant of an asset is this spectrum that s in control of the federal government? we re going to break away from this f.c.c. oversight hearing now. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] the u.s. house is about to gavel. in you can watch this and any of the events we cover at c-span.org. record votes on recorded votes on postponed questions will be taken later. for what purpose does the gentleman from missouri seek recognition? mr. luetkemeyer: mr. speaker, i move that the house suspend the rules and pass h.r. 749, the eliminate privacy notice confusion act. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 749, a bill to amend the gramm-leach-bliley act to provide an exception to the annual privacy notice requirement. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from missouri, mr. luetkemeyer, and the gentleman from california, mr. sherman, ach will control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from missouri. mr. luetkemeyer: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to revise and submit heir remarks and extraneous material in the record for h.r. 749. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: i rise today in strong support of h.r. 749, the eliminate privacy notice confusion act. businesses in missouri are drowning in a sea of red tape and the never-ending regulatory onslaught that threatens financial institution s ability to lend to consumers. one banker testified before the financial services committee last year said that as a senior executive, he currently spends 80% of his time working on compliance-related issues compared to 20% as little as three years ago. as he said in that hearing, every dollar spent on compliance is a dollar less that we have to lend and invest in the community we serve. every hour i spend on compliance is an hour i could be spending with customers and potential customers acquiring new deposits and making new loans. in the financial services committee we have heard from countless bankers and credit unions that the costs associated with complying with rules and regulations are ballooning rapidly and diminishing financial institution s ability to lend, forcing them to charge high fees to their customers. from managial extenses to compliance to printing and postage to provide written disclosures to their customers. this bipartisan bill will help reduce the compliance burdens and confusion among consumers. federal law currently requires financial institutions to issue disclosure notices to consumers that detail the institution s priche is i notices if it shares customers nonpublic personal information as well as the customer s right to opt out of sharing this information. these disclosures must be issued when a customer relationship is first established and annually in paper form, even if no policy changes have occurred. my bill would require institutions to provides these notices only if they have changed the policy or practice related to the privacy of the consumer. this may seem like a simple little change, but its impact on financial institutions is significant. requiring these institutions to send annual notices even when no changes have made are redundant, unnecessary and costly. mr. speaker, this bill will permit financial institutions to redirect these resources towards lending, staffing and lowering the cost of financial services. for consumers, these mailings typically serve to clog up mailboxes and confuse even the best of us. in fact, a recent voter survey indicated that fewer than one quarter of the consumers read the privacy notifications they receive and over 3/4 would be more likely to read them if they were only sent when the institution changed its policies. this bill will make the mailings more significant stop consumers because they would only come after a change in policy. let me reiterate. this legislation will only remove the annual privacy notice requirement if an institution has not in any way changed its privacy policies or procedures. this legislation does not exempt any institution from an individual privacy notice, nor does it allow a loophole for an institution to avoid using an updated notice. this language is not controversial. it does not jeopardize consumer privacy and it does not exempt any institution from having to produce an mish or expanded amended privacy notice. this legislation does eliminate millions of costly and confusing mailings. h.r. 749 enjoys broad support within the financial service industries for credit unions and community banks, and hear in congress this bill is one of the few that both republicans and democrats can agree on. in fact, previous versions of this bill passed on a voice vote in both the 111th and 112th congresses, the most recent before christmas. i want to thank the gentleman from california, mr. sherman. he s been tireless and relentless and been a big supporter for him and his constituents as well. i want to thank chairman hensarling and ranking member waters for swift passage of this legislation. i want to ask my colleagues to voice their support in favor of this bill. h.r. 749 may be short in simple but it will have a meaningful impact on financial institutions by increasing their resources so they can do what they do best lend. mr. chairman, i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from california is recognized. mr. sherman: thank you. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. sherman: i thank the gentleman from missouri for his tireless work on this. we passed this bill in this exact form in the 111th congress, the 112th congress, and i think the third time will be the charm. we passed it by voice vote once. we passed it again. and this time we re sending it to the senate with 22 months left to go so they have little excuse for not somehow dealing with the bill. and by that i mean passing the bill. the bill this bill was narrowly tail ord. it s straightforward. it simply revises the disclosure requirement originally passed under gramm-leach-bliley to reduce costly and duplicative requirement that all financial institutions mail their customers a copy of their privacy notice each year even if there has been no change in that policy. and so under this bill the only documents that won t have to be mailed are identical to what has been mailed to the same erson at some previous time. there may have been a time in our country where even a decade ago where the natural thing was let s rummage around and try to find that policy that privacy policy. now everybody i know is going to go to the web and look at it on the day they want to look at it rather than wait for the annual time in which it is mailed to them. under this bill the customer will receive a printed copy of the privacy policy when they become a customer of the financial institution and every time that policy privacy policy changes. in addition, the private sieve policy will be available on the institution s website for any customer to look at 24/7, 365. mr. speaker, this is a very minor component of our disclosure policy. but every year banks, credit unions, other financial institutions have to spend millions of dollars to print and send the same people what they have printed and sent to those people a year before. at best this is an enormous waste of time, money and paper. at worst it confuses customers into thinking there s something new when they re just getting what they got a year ago. it distracts consumers from reading those notices where there has been a change of policy and focuses their attention on something that is duplicative. this bill makes a simple fix to this problem by requiring the financial institution provide the privacy notice to their customers when they open the account and each time a change occurs that affects the policy or practice related to the privacy of the customer. institutions are still required to post these notices on their websites and to provide a toll free number that customers can call to request a copy of that policy at anytime. the bill simply says you don t have to mail out the same policy document year after year after year. as a result, customers will know that when they get a privacy notice it s something new and deserves their attention or at least contains some new information, and barnings and credit unions and banks and credit unions and other financial institutions that have been spend millions of dollars to mail out redundant policies can redirect those savings to the customer. mr. speaker, i began want to thank mr. luetkemeyer, the representative from missouri, for his tireless leadership on this issue. this is a commonsense fix that th parties can agree on, and i hope that we can pass this bill by voice vote and go on to something else. seeing no democratic speakers, and on that basis, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. speaker. i just want to again reiterate my thanks to the gentleman from california, mr. sherman, for his hard work on this issue. i know we had a little bump in the road when we were orking on this. he s been tireless on this. again today he s brought a lot of energy and information to this issue, and we certainly appreciate his support. with that we yield back the balance of our time as well. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the ill, h.r. 749. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, 2/3 having responded in the affirmative, the rules are suspended, the bill is passed, and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. for what purpose does the gentleman from missouri seek recognition? mr. luetkemeyer: mr. speaker, i move that the house suspend the rules and pass h.r. 1035, a bill to require a study of voluntary community-based flood insurance options and how such options could be incorporated into the national flood insurance program and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 1035, a bill to require a study of voluntary community-based flood insurance options and how such options could be incorporated into the national flood insurance program, and for other purposes the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from missouri, mr. luetkemeyer, and the gentlewoman from wisconsin, ms. will control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from missouri. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. speaker. i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to revise and extend their remarks and submit extraneous materials for the record on h.r. 1035. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today in support of h.r. 1035, legislation introduced by my financial services committee, congresswoman gwen moore, and chairman emeritus, spencor bachus. h.r. 1035 would require the flood insurance agency, the agency which administrators the national flood insurance program, or nfip, to conduct a study on the advantages and disadvantages of providing voluntary community-based services to the nfip and report its recommendations for implementation of congress within 18 months. additionally, h.r. 1035 requires the government accountability office to analyze fema s report and submit its comments or recommendations to congress within six months. community-based flood insurance is an insurance technique where a risk assessment is based for all buildings in the community and then premiums to cover that risk are paid collectively by that community. rather than the current practice of assessing each building individually and having each individual owner pay a premium. this innovative tool may represent a new and better way for some communities at risk of flooding to take the necessary steps to protect their citizens. in fact, fema has stated in congressional testimony that voluntary community-based flood insurance can help nfip to better account for flood risks as well as provide incentives to encourage communities to implement greater flood mitigation measures. we think it is appropriate to commission this study of the community-based flood insurance concept so that fema can understand how it could be put to its greater benefit. congresswoman moore s community-based flood insurance study provision was originally included as part of h.r. 1309, the flood insurance reform act of 2011, the bipartisan long-term nfip re-authorization that passed the house with over 400 votes in 2011. it was also included as part of the long-term nfip re-authorization efforts that passed the house three other times in different bills in 2012. an identical bill passed as as as a stand-alone in 2011. we have had this issue before us before and supported it. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from wisconsin. ms. moore: thank you so much, mr. speaker. thank you, mr. luetkemeyer. i would love to take this time, and i would yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized. ms. moore: i would love to express my appreciation to my original co-sponsors of the bill, chair rim tuss of the financial services committee, spencer bachus, for his support and my other co-sponsor and friend on the committee, representative hinojosa. i believe a community based flood insurance option may eventually provide a cost-saving option for communities within the larger framework of the overall national flood insurance program. the potential for savings and community empowerment certainly merits a study. now as mr. luetkemeyer has indicated, this bipartisan bill has passed in various forms, the latest being in the 112th congress as h.r. 6186 last september, 364-11. this is no this is nothing new. and i would submit that we should support it here today. this approach has merit because it potentially has its potential lower rates are due to streamlined underwriting, increased participation, the critical mass of citizens involved and incentives for the community to mitigate future flood risks. there s also an option of providing lower income households the use of vouchers to purchase flood insurance as part of the group. an analogy for the concept applies to a group or employee health insurance coverage versus individual coverage. we all understand that group coverage is less expensive than individual coverage due to many advantages of economies of scale. now in this case, a community rather than an individual, would be the policyholder. this brings me to another important potential benefit of the approach. the increased incentives for communities to take preemptive action to mitigate future financial threats from floods in the community. whereas an individual flood insurance holder has no incentive, nor means, to build stronger levees or dikes, a community policyholder would have the means to take those kinds of precautions. in theory the homeowner would pay insurance like a utility bill on a monthly or quarterly basis, which makes it easy to administer. this bill only asks fema to examine the costs and benefits of using this approach on an ongoing basis as an option for communities. we need to continue to seek creative market-based solutions to problems and this study is the first good step toward new tools to strengthen the national flood insurance program. thank you and seeing no other democratic members wishing to speak, i urge my colleagues to support h.r. 1035 and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back the balance of her time. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. speaker. i want to again congratulate and thank the gentlelady from wisconsin for her hard work on this issue. i know that it s something near and dear to her heart and i think it s absolutely something that is a good way to approach the issue from the standpoint of studying to see if this is a viable option. if it is, it could be a beneficial tool for a lot of our communities that are in difficult positions because of the flood situations they may be in. with that, mr. speaker, i request a recorded vote i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the question is, will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill h.r. 1035? those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, 2/3 being in the affirmative, the gentleman from missouri is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: i request a recorded vote. the speaker pro tempore: does the gentleman request the yeas and nays? mr. luetkemeyer: yes, sir. the speaker pro tempore: the yeas and nays are requested. those in favor of taking the vote by the yeas and nays will rise and remain standing until counted. a sufficient number having risen, the yeas and nays are ordered. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, further proceedings on this uestion will be postponed. pursuant to clause 12a of rule 1rk the chair declares the house in recess until approximately 6:30 while we wait for the house to return, here s part of today s washington journal. hypohere s today s headline, maryland seeks to end the execution. guest: this is not just the states but the death sentences in the country have dropped, executions dropped over 50% now it looks like six states in six years abolishing the death penalty. there s clearly a rethinking of the punishment. host: why has it dropped? guest: i think innocence. mistakes in capital cases where people have been freed, sometimes through d.n.a. testing, has caused a will the of concern about this system. this is an irvevcabble punishment. people are saying the death penalty may be too extreme. host: when you look at the states across the country which states have the most numbers of executions, which have the least, and why? guest: texas, by far, has over 400 executions. next is virginia with 100 or so. so it s texas by far. the least, many states have no executions. there s now going to be 18 states without the death penalty. even states with the death penalty, last year, there were 43 executions in the country, only nine states carried them out. most states are not carrying them out. host: why texas and virginia? culture, societal? guest: both of those things. texas is a large state, strong bereaver in death penalty. even in texas, death sentences have dropped considerably. they had nine death sentences last year. 10 years ago they had 40 death sentences in a year. so there s things happening even in the larger, committed-to-the-death penalty states. host: and california with the most death row inmates, why is there number so big? guest: they have a lot of people sentenced to death but they don t execute people. so people keep gettinged but not leaving except by natural death. i think it will be abolished in kale too. host: is it more expensive to keep them in prison than executing them? guest: keeping the system going, you have appeals, you have a process of death row, for example, is much more expensive as a security measure than a regular prison. people are brought their meals and guarded daily. host: the numbers are going down, talk about the costs, yet look at the polling that s been done on the death penalty over the years. it s remained a popular option with people. are you in favor of the death penalty for a person convicted of murder? in 2012, 63% for in favor, 32% opposed. guest: people philosophically don t oppose the death penalty, they don t have a moral objection. i think it s more a pragmatic issue. that s why we re seeing states take action. they have to make policy decisions, financial decisions. oen that basis, the public is much less supportive, when we talk about well, the cost or the risks of executing the innocent and would it be possible to substitute life without parole? you get a 49% to 50% sort of breakdown. host: how much are we talking about? guest: about $3 million for one death penalty case from trial to the end. the same case without the death penalty about $1.1 million. it s about three times as eblings pensive to do a death penalty case than a life case. host: a new study refeels reveals that the death penalty in the state has been $4 billion. host: is this coming down to costs for states? guest: people say we can t put a price on justice but we can put a price on security for society. we re spending millions per execution. so it s choices. more lights in high-crime areas, more cops on the beat, or this one, cushion. if it worked, i don t think we d have the discussion but it s not working. host: in 1967-196 , the popularity 1967, 1968, the popularity dipped. guest: i think people felt the death penalty was caution up in the racism of our society and should be abolished. it also occurred at a time of rising crime. so the tensions went to, let s keep it just in case even though it has these problems. what s slowly now evolving is that it s very hard to extricate that racial bias in the system and perhaps it s time to do away with it even though people still have fears of crime and want severe punishment. host: is there a racial bias? when you look at the information your group put together, race of those executed, 54% are white, the race of victims in death penalty cases, 67% white, 15% black. guest: it s subtle, if you kill a white person you re more likely to get the death penalty. supposedly some areas will get the benefit of the death penalty. but that s racist. i think another reason why people are uncomfortable with the death penalty even though they support 9 philosophically they know it s unfair. host: we re talking about state efforts to repeal the death penalty with richard dieter of the death penalty caucus. we ll take your calls. let s hear from john, first. caller: good morning. this guy talking about racism, he s way off the mark. i had an 08-year-old aunt this was killed by a black guy an 80-year-old aunt that was killed by a black guy guy. they caught him right after he killed her. he bludgeoned her to death and set her on fire and burned her. he was sent to a mental institution. now, the the government is hiding information that would prove that a guy is innocent, the steps they took to make them guilty to try to win cases, if it was proved they withheld information and lied, if they was charged with the same crime, you d put a stop to that. host: richard? crimes are committed by blacks, crimes are committed by whites, you know there s no denying this terrible there s terrible crime out there. i think the caller is raising concerns also about the stakes or even prosecutorial misconduct in death penalty cases. one of the problems with the death penalty is you can t take it back once you ve carried out that execution. and we do sometimes find that politics or race or even simply wrongful convictions through misidentification sweep into death penalty cases. these are emotional cases. we want a conviction. sometimes it s wrong. so an irrevocable punishment has that risk. host: comments on twitter. this from texas. since moving back to texas i have done a 180 on the death penalty. and this from james, i only approve of the death penalty if the crime was caught on tape. i don t trust prosecutors enough to put life in their hands. guest: what s happening in texas, they had fewer executions, fewer death sentences. that s capital of capital punishment. the writer says it may be medieval, the rest of the world is moving away from capital punishment, not just the united states. there s certainly something going on and it s something that doesn t sit well, the death penalty, within our constitutional system that always has the protections of the defendant in mind. host: what s happening in other countries? guest: over 100 countries voted for a moratorium on executions. our allies, our european allies, canada, mexico, around the world, not only don t have the death penalty but they re urging the u.s. to do something, even to the point of withholding the drugs that are used in lethal injecks. it s hard now to carry these executions out because a lot of drugs come from europe. they don t want their drugs used in our executions. even economic sanctions against the u.s. host: bernie, an independent in new york. caller: i m a correction officer. retired correction officer in new york state. i have almost 40 years in. and over the years i have been asked to sign petitions for the death penalty by my co-workers because they felt it s needed. i ve always refused to sign under the assumption that there are some people in jail that yes, i believe there s innocent people in jail and i believe there s people in jail who committed crimes that didn t deserve the death penalty. but that having been said, that s kind of a common feeling amongst many of my fellow corrections officers work every not all arch conservatives but one thing i also wanted to comment on, many years ago, 15 or 20 years ago, pbs or one of the news programs ran an interview program with criminals about 20 years old and at the thoachedintever view they d have an overview about their life of crime and if it was an option for them would they continue it, they would say, working for the white man for minimum wage is not an option and the second final part of the comment was, and this is the vernacular, and there ain t no death penalty. so yes it s common knowledge among the young people that if they kill somebody they won t be executed. that s a consideration too. do i believe there s people in prison that if the death penalty is there they deserve it? yes, unfortunately there are people who the deserve the death penalty. but these are the comments that need to be said and it needs to be said the young people know if there ain t no death penalty they don t mind because they don t have to pay the ultimate price. guest: i ve had a couple of occasions to speak at the american correctional organization, it s a fine organization and its preamble talks about lifting up those incarcerated and they do a superb job. they face correctional officers face risk bus they face those risks as much from people who are not on death row or not identified as the worst of the worst this epeople who are tense about getting out, etc. i m sure the caller knows all about that. it s true. the death penalty isn t ape plied. and you d be right to say, i m not going to worry about that particular punishment because you know 43 executions last year in the u.s. we had 15,000 murders. it s a nonentity. and therefore spending hundreds of millions of dollars to keep it as some sort of myth or symbol i think is a serious question. host: $20 million to $30 million to put someone to death. what was the cost 20 or 30 years ago? who gets that money? those investing in the prison system? guest: it s hard to understand how you spend $20 million to execute somebody but the place that comes from, it costs $3 million to do one case. but only one out of 10 of those cases is actually going to result in an execution. so at the end of the day, a state has spent $30 million to get one execution. it goes to lawyers, it goes to prosecutors, judges, defense lawyers, the whole system. it takes 15 years to get from sentencing to execution. all of that time because it s the death penalty is spent in high level security, costing more, people s meals are brought to them, they re escorted to everything, appeals, lawyers, etc. host: to darrell a democrat in chicago. go ahead. caller: i feel that the death penalty should be brought back for the simple fact, jails now are being glorified and you go to jail, it s gone from a place you don t want to go. in chicago it don t make no sense. they say it s inhumane for the death penalty, for a while it was electric care and all that. but i feel like that s the only way they can come here and get a hold on the city to stop them from this crime. guest: illinois is one of the states that did abolish the death penalty. they did it because they realized so many mistakes had been made. the governor said you can t more people were freed from death row in illinois than were eblings cuted. and it can t keep going on like that. in theory, we ll take these terrible criminals and punish them with the death penalty and everybody will get the fear of god and not commit any more murders. the reality is, some of those will be innocent, most of those thinking about crime aren t thinking about what punishment they re going to get. the theory and the reality are so far apart. i think what we have to do, let s take a look at new york city. tremendous drops in murders without the death penalty. but things work to prevent crime, the death penalty is not one of them. host: here are the states that have abolished the death penalty and when they did it. 1846, michigan decided to repeal the death penalty. host: did some of these states reverse itself? guest: no. michigan, not saying it never happened, but michigan, 1846, it never reversed. and the group of countries that don t have the death penalty have a lower murder rate than the states with the death pefpblet. it s true of countries as well. if you don t get a benefit from having the death penalty. it s that matter of fact. if you have a lower rate why go back. host: what s the alternative? guest: life without parole. it keeps society safe, it s a severe punishment, it s actually less expensive, and it doesn t have the risk that if you do find you made a mistake, you can still free the person. host: from twitter guest: good question. it was november of 2012, in the election, 52% to 48%, close vote, but almost half of california wanted to abolish the death penalty. it failed i think because people don t have to pay, you know, when they go to the voting booth, for the death penalty. they let s just keep it on the books. legislators know they have to balance the budgets and wasteful programs but ballots, you can see evolution. i think 20 years ago in california, 70% supported the death penalty. now it s down to 48%. i think if they do it again at some point, we might see something different. host: fran a democrat in pennsylvania. caller: i think you just made the point i was going to make very well. i can t think of anything that would be worse than spending the rest of my life in jail without parole. if a horrendous crime were committed. i think the death penalty should be abolished and basically for that reason and for the cost associated with it. i just can t i just think that life without parole for some crimes is the answer. and that s my comment. i thank you. host: thanks, fran. mac, an independent in gilbert, arizona. caller: i was going to say, i think the conversation is missing a key idea and that is that the death penalty is not a deterrent, it s because it s done behind closed doors. it should be done in public, it sounds ghoulish, backwards, medieval but it s not a deterrent because nobody actually sees it. it s very sanitized and it should be done in public. i know that sounds, you know, really regressive, if you will but otherwise how can it be a detesht. host: got your point, mac. guest: they used to do hangings in the public square, people came, brought their children, kind of a festive thing. that sort of death penalty i think can have a fatal attraction. people want the limelight of the death penalty. when utah had the firing squad, inmates were volunteering to have that as their method of execution. why? it s a spectacle. because they ll be noticed. they ll have everybody worried about them. i think it s a dangerous precedent to say, well, show the violence and people become virtuous. i think, you know, here s your punishment, you re never going to get out, your appeals are over, life without parole, that s a serious punishment. the death penalty is has all sorts of attractiveness to some people. host: are juveniles executed and what about women, on death row. guest: juveniles, those under 18 at the time of the crime, no, it s the age when they committed the crime. women, there s no particular rooms rules against it other than if a woman is pregnant but very few women are on death row, only 12 women have been executed since 1976, compared to 1,300 men. it s, you know, it s who is committing the crimes is part of the story there. host: from twitter guest: well, it is up to the individual prosecutor whether to seek the death penalty. counties that, you know, where they have big contested elections, a lot of money to spend, nothing like the death penalty to show, you know, how strong on crime you are and how it gives that appearance. there s a danger of politics shifting into the death penalty because it puts you on the front page. yo no, i, rural counties almost never seek the death penalty, but that s a disparity that doesn t make sense. i think that s slowing down. i think prosecutors are realizing the death penalty is not a sure thing anymore. juries are too skeptical. host: another tweet from one of our viewers host: 8% say executions don t lower homicide rates. guest: over 80% of the executions are in the south osme this four regions of the country, the south has the highest murder rate and that s been true for 40 years. it s not working. ethe the area of the country with the least executions is the northeast. it is the area with the least murder rate. that doesn t prove deterrence but it throws some cold water on the idea that you just have the death penalty, murders will slow down. it just doesn t bear out. host: elizabeth in new york, republican. caller: good morning. i live in new york and at one time we did have the death penalty and then they stopped. i have a question and a comment. in new york, if you kill or shoot or murder a police officer, or law enforcement person, you can receive the death penalty, it becomes first degree murder versus second degree murder. i d like to know if that still exists where, i don t believe that a police officer s life is more valuable than any other life but they are there in a particular job defending us. so although i have even though police officers have been shot and killed, they don t get the death penalty. i m wondering does that still stand in new york? host: go ahead. guest: it does still stand, with one caveat and that is there s a federal death penalty. there s an inmate in new york who killed a police officer who is facing federal charges and the death sentence but new york s law was found to be unconstitutional and it hasn t been fixed. the legislature said we don t want any part of it anymore. it is not even being, you know, voted on very much anymore. so it s not possible, but people can get life without parole which didn t used to exist in new york until they adopted the death penalty. host: to greg in clover, south carolina. republican. caller: i had a question about the cost that you were discussing earlier. and all those millions of dollars that they were talking about. is that just for prosecution, or how much the cost is to keep those folks in jail for the rest of their life? thank you. guest: it s mostly for the cost of prosecution and defense, lawyers are, you know, expensive. the incarceration adds up. it s probably about $25,000 a year to keep somebody in prison, it s more like $50,000 a year to keep somebody on death row. because you have to watch them more closely. more guards per inmate. and so it s more expensive. but the major part of cost of the death penalty are the legal costs and the fact that only about one in 10 cases actually result in an execution and yet the other nine are adding to the expense. host: here s lee on twitter host: however, there is the argument, an one caller made it yerler earlier, if you lower the penalty for murder it signals less regard for the victim, for another person s life. guest: that s a concern. and the concern also occurs even with the death penalty. obviously we don t use the death penalty for every murder. we don t have a life for a life. which cases are, you know, worth more? it turns out if you kill a white person that s worth more. if you have a good lawyer, your case might not get the death penalty system of we do choose. and i think that does divide, we say we diminish the value of life because we say some are worth more than others. life without pa what life without parole does is level the playing field and say everybody s life. you commit this crime you forfeit your life in society. that s what s happening. host: rich says, life without parole would be worse than death in my opinion but who pays for the criminals upkeep for life? guest: it costs money. costs $25,000 a year to keep somebody in prison, if they live 40 years, it s $1 million. the death penalty costs you $3 million. we re paying for both. what we re really paying for, we sentence to death and keep them in prison for life. which is expense at both ends, and that makes the least sense. host: lee a democrat in san antonio, texas caller: i m a first-time caller, thank you for taking my call. i was involved in prison ministry for 11 years. it was an eye-pope for the and really challenged our my ideals of what i thought. you know, the criminal justice system, i think we should really our paradigm needs to shift. i understand the punishment phase but i want to get your perspective on one, the for-profit motive and the reconciliation. what i have found is, even when i get personally involved with inmates, not the death penalty but when they get out and i try to get involved in their lives, if they have no way whatsoever of gaining access to a job by having resources to provide for themselves and family if they have them, what you do is just create a system where even the enmates that do their time, they re going to end up, in other words, back in the prison system and when i caulked talked to them they say they just become better criminals. guest: i have visited a lot of prisons and gotten to know a lot of prisoners. one thing that strikes me is how much people change over the queers in prison. they go in addicted to drugs. but years later they become a different person. that doesn t mean they need to be out in society. i think people can change. talk about rededges, i think people can have a life. getting out, for crimes less than what we re talking about, for the death penalty, and that takes resources. jobs, training, followup. right now, we re putting $100 million into the death penalty that money could go toward, you know, improving our correctional systems generally. make it safer for correctional officers and make it less of a revolving door. we ve got to choose where to put our money. host: is it federal money or all state money we re talking about? guest: it s all taxpayer money. mostly state, yes. the federal money only comes in because there s a federal part of the death penalty appeal that s paid for by congress. but that s toward the end and most of it is, you know, state taxes and county tacks. there s counties who have gone bankrupt trying to pay for one death penalty cyle. host: mike, an independent in prescott, arizona. caller: first, it s got to do a lot with money. people with money don t go to jail, people poor people go to jail. the lady in new york says if you kill a cop you get the death penalty and somebody else said i wouldn t believe in the death penalty unless it s on video. they ve got cop footage from their cars of them killing innocent people but nothing happens to cops. for years it s under ngs, no prosecution, no nothing. are we less than them? they should be held above the law, not below it. i think like i said, you never hear of a cop going to jail and the cop that just killed all them people in california and diane feinstein wants to let them have a place for cops. half of them are nuts anyway. host: we ll leave it there. ghost: there are certainly abuses throughout the system. no one is perfectly virtuous. that means we re fallible. to me the bottom line is, let s not execute people, assuming we know infallably that they re guilty and they deserve the death penalty. so you know, a lot of other thoughts were in the call but for me, let s recognize that we make mistakes. host: dan, democratic caller in stevens point, wisconsin. caller: i have a comment, if someone is up for murder one, that usually mean they committed a violent crime. if we wait too long to execute, they spend all their time the minute they get in jail for appeal, how many appeals do they get? quite a few. you see the prisoners, you ve been talking about them, but what about the victims of the crimes? they re put up for murder one, that s usually for a reason. and we have to think about the victims, not just the poor guy that s going to get executed, and there are mistakes but you know, usually we should get on with it instead of having these guys sitting there for 15 years. they aren t going to change after 15 years but it has to be addressed right away. host: all right, dan. guest: 143 people have been freed from death row since 1973 who were common rated. it took almost 10 years between their sentencing and when they were freed. you could shorten the appeals, down to five years, say. but you d miss a lot of innocent people. you would have executed some of these innocent people. appeals are annoying, they time consuming, expensive, but they are absolutely necessary. as far as the victims, i was over in annapolis when maryland was debating the death penalty recently, some of the most articulate and impassioned people testify wrg families who had somebody murdered and they said, we don t want the death penalty. it drags us through those years of appeals. it puts the focus on the defendant. it puts the money on the defendant. and give us life without parole and have that part of it be ended. victims are not pushing for the death pefpblet. that s what we ve seen in state after state that has connecticut, maryland, about to abolish the death penalty, and many other states. host: jordan, a democratic call for the chicago. welcome to the conversation. caller: i want to ask a question. what could we do when they re murder urg young kids, can we make the jail nns a more sentence, they re eating three times a day, they go to school, they got cell phones, what can they do to stiffen up the penalty. guest: i think the first thing we want to do is not have a 40% unsolved crime rate in these murders. you know. that s at least a level in some states. find the person who did the crimes and now let s talk about the punishment. life without parole is no easy thing to survive. you need something in prison. you need meals, you need something just for distraction but years and years of that kind of confinement is no picnic. and i think we should, you know, all spend a night in jail or something to get a feel for what one day is like away from your family, not being able to do anything. so you know, we could stiffen up the punishments. it s going to make it harder on the guards. if that s the goal. what we have is one out of 100 people we execute at a cost of millions of dollars, if we want to change the system, there are resources. right now, we re pouring them into lawyers and appeals for death row cases. let s spend it on other things. host: what does the supreme court say about the death penalty? guest: i teach the course on the death penalty and it s volumes and volumes we have to cover, at catholic university law school. they say a lot and it changes. they used to say you could execute juveniles and we could execute people with mental retardation and now we cant. they, too, are an evolving group of people and often very split on the death penalty but the basic holding is the death penalty is constitutional because it s not unusual. host: do you see it coming before the court again? guest: yes, cases come around the edges every year. but the big question is do we get to a point as society where this has become so unusual, so outside of the norms of our standards of decency, i think right now it s still in the debate time. but i think there will come a time just as with the execution of juveniles that the court says, this is now outside of our standards and we re striking it down even though some states retain it. host: to bernstein in an independent in oak hill, west virginia. caller: can you hear me? host: we can. last phone call. caller: my question is, does the military still have the death penalty in their court system? guest: yes, they do. they ve got about six people on death row. they have not carried out an execution since 1963. so military members committing crimes, there s an understanding that the stress the war, things affect people in strange ways. but in any case it exists but is rarely used and not used in over 40 years now. host: for more go to deathpenaltyinfo.org. richard dieter, thank you, sir. he house is in recess. members will be back in about 6:30 eastern, a half-hour from now for votes on bills debated earlier. today, british prime minister david cameron updated parliamentary committee members on sir wra and mali, including the british government decision to provide aid to opposition forces in syria s civil war. this is the e.u. embargo on arms supplies to the rebels in syria. the turkish foreign minister considering lifting the ban, yet you have reservations. can you think of circumstances where you would veto the arms embargo when it is up for renewal in may, which is in effect lifting it. i would hope that wouldn t be the case. what i would like to do is continue with the e.u. approach. we just amended it so we can supply relief and equipment and hopefully persuade our european partners if and when it becomes necessary, they ll agree with us. if they can t, we might have to do things in our own way. quite possibly you would veto an extension of the embargo? we are still an independent country. we have an independent foreign policy. if, for instance, we felt that action needed to be taken to help bring about change in syria to end this bloodshed we felt our european partners were holding that back. then we would have to change the approach. but that s not what i hope will happen. we have made a very good job persuading colleagues to amend the terms of the arms embargo so we can provide nonlethal equipment. why are we doing this? and if we want to help bring about a transition in syria, we have to work with the opposition groups and to help them, work with them and encourage those that are committed to a a democratic future for syria. you can t do that if you are simply not engaged supplying the enemy in terms of helping in the work they are doing. supplying these rebels with weapons. it s not a decision we have taken. and i hope we don t have to break from a collaborative approach. i was making the point if we thought it was the right thing to do it, we d do it. if you can t agreement amongst e.u. partners, we stand ready to take any domestic measures to ensure sampingses on syria remain affecttive. but a bold unilateral statement. if for whatever reason and this could have happened when we were discussing the e.u. and arms embargo and if we couldn t have agreed amongst the 27 the changes we thought would be necessary to supply equipment, we would have had a choice. either you let the whole sanctions package forward. you supply the nonlethal equipment. but at the same time, britain is a important player and would have to put in place its own sanctions and we drew up that legislation and ready to go if we couldn t get agreement across europe because it was not for britain to put its sanctions in place. finance or who knows what. that is responsible planning. sticking with arming the rebels and they are gathering from all over the world to fight their cause, do you think it would be a mistake to arm the rebels where we don t know their identity and their intentions are rather uncertain? there are dangers in any course of action that we take. there is a danger in inaction. while the world stood by and frankly not done enough in syria, what has happened, as well as 70,000 people being murdered. you have seen the jihadist elements of the opposition have grown. doing nothing is a positive choice in this case and maybe doing nothing the situation gets worse. my argument is working with the opposition and supplying part of the opposition, you can have influence with your partners and working closely with the jordanians, the americans and the french. we are working closely with them to try and work together with the opposition to shape and help that opposition to encourage the opposition to become a democratic society where minorities have rights. if we stand back and say, i m sorry we can t reach agreement in europe, i would argue that is a positive choice but with a negative outcome. the reason given, we can t allow syria to become another breeding ground for terrorists who pose a threat to our national security. isn t the weakness of that argument could apply to dozens of places around the world? i have often made the argument just because you can t do the right thing somewhere doesn t mean you shouldn t do the right thing anywhere. it applies to other places around the world. i would argue that britain wsh she shouldn t overstate our global role in what we can do. but with partners, with allies, i think we can help to have an effect in countries and to reduce the level of threat that we face. if we take, for instance, what we re doing in mali this is just an example, we are assisting the french and training the african forces and not in a combat role. but is it better to play that sort of role and help? can you have an effect as a supporter? yes, you can. and i think that s the role that britain should seek. we should combine the tough and intelligent approach and work out where we can best maximize our national interests and reduce the level of jihadism and in mali, we have done just that. the refugee fallout from this, the number of refugees hit a million last week and it is an extreme humanitarian crisis. and three-quarters not funded. if what you said, likely to lead to more refugees and bigger crisis? the last question first, i don t think what we re doing helping syrian rebels will add to the refugee crisis. this is something that is happening any way. again what our policy aim here, what are we trying to achieve? help them transition. and there are two ways that can happen. political transition at the top and diplomatic pressure or you have transition from below where the rebel forces eventually push the regime which has done appalling things to people and eventually push them out. there is a humanitarian crisis. and britain is playing a leading role in helping with that humanitarian crisis. we will be responding to it as it unfolds. no doubt about who is responsible for this humanitarian crisis, assad himself. turkey has strong interests. and fragile countries like jordan and lebanon who are struggling and this refugee problem could further destabilize these countries. will the u.k. government give them support? the refugee camps i visited in jordan that was partly funded by u.k. taxpayers and we will look at where we can best help. we should use our generosity to help others. as i say, i don t i wouldn t accept the argument that our actions are making this worse. our actions are designed to try to help achieve transition in syria and ease the humanitarian crisis at the same time. the point you re making, this is a very fragile region, what is happening in syria that s an argument for engagement. and trying to help. go back to this also. on the subject of mali, you talked about the islamic terrorists. we must beat them militarily and defeat the narrative they feed on and close down government space. pretty well aware there was an important speech about restructuring the intelligence relationships in north africa. is that speech the response to how you are going to beat them militarily? i added to that if militarily close down government space. drain the swamp of issues on which they feed. and you have to think about how you develop political systems in which the moderates can beat the extremists. [inaudible] that is not my view at all. this is an intelligent approach. you need a political settlement. all these things as well as the tough action that the french have taken. the intelligence, restructure intelligence arrangements, is that part of the response? it is part of the response. i m not sure we can take these responsibilities ourselves. my argument is where we have strong relationships for instance in nigeria, we should build on those where others have strong relationships like the french in mali and try to partner up with countries where there are real threats of extremism, jihadism and the export of terror and try to get ahead of these problems rather than wait for them to grow. in 2010, there has to be a clear strategic aim and viable exit strategy before we deploy u.k. forces. the president of mali has spoken, not only in communications and facilities to receive our aircraft, but training of the military forces. what is it the exit strategy? to train the people who will take over from the french and that is the military exit strength for the french and for our trainers who will be training the nigeriaians. the french can go home and less need for our training. military, there is an exit strategy. i would argue more importantly, you won t solve the problem by military means. the real exit strategy is to build the capacity of the government of mali and security forces to reach a political settlement that both north and south mali feel included in, it s engaging with the neighbors to help the stability of that country. it s all of those things which will overtime enable mali to have a more stable existence. isn t it the current situation forces are to stay longer ask us things to do that weren t part of the original strategy? if you look, the french want to get their troops out of mali relatively quickly because they know the longer they stay the more they might become part of the problem. replacing those troops with african troops is very sensible. and britain s contribution here is, troops to help with the resupply. some troops in the training mission. and troops hopefully in nigeria rather than in mali, training them to play that role. we learned from previous conflicts that maybe we haven t thought these things through. you got a position where there is vulnerability over years to see economic collapse. we have actually withdrawn our development support we have. do you think we should reconsider that? i think that we should keep it under review but i don t think it was a bad decision on this basis. we have a lot of different programs, some of which were too small to make much of an impact or much of a say. i think trying to focus in areas where we can be contributing aid but also trying to help with real political political and economic development makes more sense. what can we do in this area that is the most constructive? nigeria is a country we should partner up with more and have a greater effect. whereas it makes more for the french. can we protect women who are the most vulnerable in this crisis? and we have seen already that their rights have been brutally suppressed and whenever there is a problem of this kind, women suffer rape, violence and often death. and the international community doesn t always respond. do you believe that the role of the u.k. government with partners to step in, because we will hear horror stories and people want to know why we didn t do anything about it. where you have these jihadist-style regimes like you had in northern mali, that is another justification for the civil action that the french supported by us have taken. and living in mali women in mali will be better off. your broader question, gathering evidence so the world can act when there are rapes taking place the u.k. the foreign secretary has actually given quite a lead on internationally and wants to raise it as part of our g-8. and part of that is how you gather the information and what is actually happen so you can galvanize opinions. [inaudible] what intelligence information did you have at that time and awareness of looking to develop into the crisis we have seen? what i was receiving, the joint intelligence committee in the cabinet office that produced really good security briefings on different parts of the world and threat levels. this was showing up as an area of concern because of the issues of extremism and extremist groups. we did reopen our embassy in 2010. the national security council discussed mali in july of 2012 and january of this year. and i see him as my envoy and he traveled to the area and knew it as a minister and knew it before. had good contacts with the french. and as you said, a helpful apointment and been able to brief me and the foreign secretary in a lot of detail about the international meetings he is attending on behalf of britain to make sure we galvanize action. it s a fresh start through the national security council and the national security strategy and as i said, today mali and what is happening in mali is a massive security threat to the u.k. there is plenty of evidence that it s a threat to british people in the region, as we have seen in recent days. but i think all these spaces have the potential to provide a direct threat to britain. we have seen that with somalia and seen it elsewhere and pays to get ahead, which is what we are trying to do. [inaudible] would you agree there has been investments in northwest africa [inaudible] what can we do going forward if this is an increased threat? there has been a fair amount of investment in diplomatic networks and relationships and i think i thank the secretary for turning that situation around. we have opened a lot of embass yes, sir not just in africa. one of the only european players to have an embassy in every country. he has opened the foreign language school. we do face budgets. the focus on trying to extend our diplomatic punch has been pretty good and my whole argument is where we need to succeed and forge links with countries and make sure that britain looks out in the world and build strong embassies. you can get to your next appointment and snatch some time when we next see you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] we ll have more british politics tomorrow morning with prime minister s questions. because of daylight savings time, coverage starts an hour later at 8:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 2. the house is in recess right now coming back in in 10 minutes right now on votes for bills debated earlier. we ll have live coverage when they return. a senate majority leader harry reid and republican leader mitch mcconnell talk about the different budget proposals. november s election is fresh. top republicans promised a gentler republican party, that cared about every american to achieve their dreams. fairness and opportunity. they made over turs toward women and hispanics and promised cooperation and end to brinkmansship. cantor spoke on agenda of showing conditions for health, happiness and prosperity for more americans and their families, closed quote. rebranding we thought was under way. and a few weeks past and the republican made a direct u-turn back to where they started. the house budget committee, chairman paul ryan will unveil an extreme budget to say anything but balance. this budget reflects the same skewed priorities the republican party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities. the ryan republican budget calls for more tax breaks for the wealthy and end to medicare as we know it and cuts to education and other programs to help america s economy grow and prosper. we have heard many times and i ll repeat it, it is day gentleman or view all over deja vu all over the again. the ryan budget will give more tax breaks to millionaires to the advantage of corporate interests and raise taxes on the middle class. now i know that congressman ryan is held out to be this guy who understands things so well, what he understands is gimmicks. he has pulled the wool over the eyes of those people in the house and they continue following him. his budget is anything but balanced and fair and members of the house should look what they are being led into or out of. this plan, just like last year, refused to close a single tax loophole to reduce the deficit. education, health care, scientific research and clean energy technology. the ryan budget would end medicare guarantees for is seniors and force them into a voucher program. and and ser screenings and charge more for prescriptions and reduce funding for food inspectors, police and first responders generally. and it s protecting wealthy special interests isn t bad enough, the republican budget deficient states the public economy. this wrong approach is the same old approach and to make matters worse the paul ryan budget number three has done it two other times, same fuzzy math and gimmicks as his previous two budgets and allies on accounting that is fraudulent at worse. we believe it s critical we restabilize the deficit but will take more to achieve real deficit reduction. when corporation are making record profits and wealthy american incomes continue to rise, the deficit reduction shouldn t be at the expense of middle class families, senior citizens and the poor. a fair approach, all americans, democrats, republicans and independents, they want a fair approach to deficit reduction that makes sensible cuts to share the burden, balance. we have been listening, mr. president. that s why this budget chair will introduce a balance. her plan, the democrat plan will cuss wasteful spending and close tax loopholes that benefit the rich and invest in what the economy needs to grow to continue to build to grow and will create a strong middle class. congressman ryan and his republican colleagues in congress have taken a different approach. their budget will put money to special interests ahead of middle class families and no amount of rebranding will hide that. president obama missed legal deadline to submit a budget to congress just like he has nearly every year of his presidency. but this year, it s even worse. we now know he doesn t plan to submit a budget until after the house and the senate have already acted to pass one. this never happened in more than 90 years that have gone by since the modern budgeting process was established in the 1920 s. somehow, presidents managed to submit budgets on time in the middle of world war ii, during the great depression. but somehow, not today. there is simply no excuse. rather than helping lead congress toward a reasonable outcome, it appears the president is happy to drop a bomb on the congressional budget process, instead by releasing his budget plan after, after the house and senate have already acted. now presumably, this is so he can campaign against republicans if the process fails as he no doubt hopes. let s hope he doesn t trot out that tired political playbook again. the president should send out his budget now, not next week or next month, but today. so both sides can consider it at a time when it might be helpful rather than destructive to the entire process. and speaking of serious delays, for four years, my constituents in kentucky and americans across the country have been asking senate democrats a simple question, where s the budget? where s the budget? most families put one together. they want to know what democrats who run the senate have planned. but for four years, senate democrats have ignored these concerns year after year and neglected one of the most important legislative responsibilities, but evidently that s about to change. senate democrats are now pledging to finally, finally produce a budget. it will be interesting to see what they put forward. i hope senate democrats take this seriously and propose spending reforms that can put our country a stronger more sustainable fiscal path to control spending and lead to private sector growth and job creation. we ll find out soon. what about republicans? republicans lead the house and they produce budgets every year right on schedule, budgets that would put our country on a path to growth and job creation and our entitlement programs on a sound fiscal footing. so they re around when people need them. today, house republicans will unveil this year s budget blueprint. the reforms it contained would jump start our economy, help more americans join the middle class and begin to tackle the debt that threatens all of our futures. because republicans understand we need to grow the economy, not grow the government. what s more, it would get us back to a balanced budget in a few short years. call me a skeptic, but there is little chance the budget that my friends put forward by the democrats will balance today or forever and will not contain much in spending reform and get more what we have come to expect the past few years, lots of gimmicks, lots of wasteful spending and even more tax hikes. that type of budget won t grow the economy, nor will it shrink the debt. here s the thing. the budgeting process is a great way for both parties to outline their priorities for the country and that is something that senate democrats have refused to do until now. if they want to put forward a budget that allows medicare to go bankrupt, high taxes on families and small businesses that can least afford them and proposes a future of massive deficits without end, if that s how they want to define themselves for the american people, then let the battle of ideas begin. we need to see their budget first. time to end delays and put the ideas out there on the table and well past time for the president to do the same. not after congress acts, but before. republicans have managed to play by the rules every year and produce serious budgets for our country. i hope democrats are finally ready to get to work to do the same. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] the house is coming in for one vote dealing with flood insurance. the clerk: the honorable the speaker, house of representatives, sir, this is to notify you formally, pursuant to rule 8 of the rules of the house of representatives , that the permanent select committee on intelligence has been served with a criminal trial subpoena for documents issued by the united states district court for the district of arizona. after consultation with the office of general counsel, the committee has determined under rule 8 that the documents sought are not material and relevant and that the subpoena is not consistent with the privileges and rights of the house. accordingly the committee intends to move to squash the subpoena. signed, sincerely, mike rogers, chairman. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, the unfinished business is the vote on the motion of the gentleman from missouri, mr. luetkemeyer, to suspend the rules and pass h.r. 1035. on which the yeas and nays are ordered. the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 1035, a bill to require a study of voluntary community-based flood insurance options and how such options could be incorporated into the national flood insurance program and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker pro tempore: on this vote the yeas are 397. nays as are 17 the are 17. 2/3 of those voting having responded in the affirmative, the rules are suspended, the bill is passed and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. the chair lays before the house a communication. the clerk: the honorable the speaker, house of representatives, sir, this is to notify you formally, pursuant to rule 8 of the rules of the house of representatives, that i have received a subpoena issued by the united states district court for the eastern district of california reporting to require certain responses to a questionnaire in connection with a civil case. after consultation with the office of general counsel, i have determined that under rule 8, that the subpoena seeks information that is not material and relevant. and that it is not consistent with the privileges and rights of the house. accordingly, i intend to move to quash the subpoena. signed, sincerely, ted poe, ember of congress. the speaker pro tempore: the ouse will be in order. he house will be in order. he house will be in order. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will now entertain requests for one-minute peeches. i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection the gentlewoman is recognized for ne minute. thank you, mr. speaker. rise to support judge poe s resolution and request the prompt return of the residents of camp ashraf. the living conditions of the residents is being threatened. the united states needs to help facilitate the return of the residents for their own protection to the camp, located also in iraq, where they have safer facilities and a better infrastructure that may sustain future attacks. ms. rostrost: yes ms. ros-lehtinen: yes, future attacks. because they intend to attack camp liberty again with rockets and mortars. mr. speaker, time is of the essence. i urge the u.s. house of representatives to debate the poe bill on the floor immediately due to the urgent humanitarian situation that the residents are facing. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady s time has expired. the house will be in order. for what purpose does the gentleman from california rise? i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. i would like to take this opportunity to recognize the sacrifice and selfless service of marine sergeant zachary george, born and raised in california, he and i even went to the same elementary school. sergeant george was wubed in afghanistan on february 4 while honorably serving on his third tour of duty abroad. last tuesday, march 5, president obama awarded sergeant george the purple heart. i had the honor of meeting him at walter reed medical center. mr. swalwell: i thank the sernlt for his brave actions around congratulate him on the achievement of a purple heart, his courage in combat and his service to our country should forever be remembered he exemplifies the marine corps values of honor ander is vess every day. his selfless service reminds us as a nation that we must pledge when our troops are return home we leave no service member behind. along with serkt george and his along with sergeant george s fellow marines, i thank sergeant george and his family for their service to our country. i wish him a speedy recovery. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from pennsylvania rise? to address the house for one minute and revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. thompson: mr. speaker, the federal reserve on wednesday, march 6, released the edition of its so-called beige book that said the president s affordable care act is being cited as reason for layoffs and a slowtown in hiring. the beige book examines economic conditions in federal reserve districts across the country with interviews with with with key business contacts in each district. it stated, and i quote, several people said the affordable care as a reason for layoffs. we remind americans of the countless broken promises that now define the so-called affordable care act. the writing son the wall, mr. speaker. the reality is the affordable care act is costing american jobs. as more regulations go into effect and more employers will alter their hiring digs to count for its unaffordable costs. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. speaker, i rise to address the so-called path to prosperity released today by the distinguished gentleman from wisconsin, mr. ryan. as a freshman member of congress i was hoping to look at the proposal with a fresh set of eyes and find places where republicans and democrats can agree. too often congress foe on what divides us, not what unites us. but looking at the gentleman s proposal all east given us is vague bullet points that fail to say much. he says he d like to eliminate loopholes. democrats would love to do that too. but how can we do so when mr. ryan won t even specify which deductions or credits he d eliminate? i d like to close the carried interest loophole and end tax breaks for private jets and luxury yachts but what set of loopholes does mr. ryan want to close? it s a mystery. what tax breaks would he like to cut? the home mortgage interest deduction, the child tax credit let me stop you there, mr. ryan. cutting those will hurt the middle class residents of my district and i will not support such cuts. mr. takano: for the middle class, this is a trip to nowhere. mr. ryan says he s a serious policymaker but looking at this proposal i m not sure what he s serious about. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman s time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from texas rise? i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one inute. mr. speaker, around midnight last saturday, i was standing with a group of spirited texans in the parking lot of b.f. terry high school. we were waiting for the triumphal return of the terry men s basketball team. mr. olson: three hours earlier, they were cutting down the nets at the texas 4-a state champions. the rangers showed the hearth of a true champion by defeating the two-time defending champions, dallas-kimball, 55-47. down eight at halftime, the terry defense took over. in the second half, they held dallas-kimball without a point. the last three minutes and 45 seconds. congratulations to coach michael jackson, m.v.p. derek griffin, and the whole team for bringing the hardware home to rosenberg. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from texas seek recognition? without objection, the gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. ms. jackson lee: it is my intent to bring the house s attention to several important issues. i d like to join in our mutual effort with mr. poe to address the devastation of the people in camp liberty, iranian refugees who have been attacked and misstreeted and mistreated and me we must fight for them and ensure their safety. i also want to comment on the introduction of a new budget by the house and say that we have to come together and not be conflicting with programs or initiatives that will not happen. to have a budget based upon the elimination of the affordable care act, it simply will not happen. we must come together. finally, america is ready for comprehensive immigration reform. in a meeting i held yesterday in houston with over 90 to 100 persons if you heard the story of a father who was told to leave his children behind and to leave the country, you would know this is not about immigration, it s about families, it s about humanitarianism, it s about bringing america and americans together. we have a few things to do in this country and a few things to do in this congress. let s get on with it and do it in the right way. yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from pennsylvania seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. thank you, mr. speaker. recently, the pentagon proposed a new medal, the distinguished warfare medal, to recognize those members of the armed services who operate the drones which serve on vital mishes missions over war areas. that s a good thing. mr. murphy: however, they have also said it should rank above the bronze star and the purple heart. it is of great concern to a number of us in the house that this has taken place because we believe that those who see the actual battles and those who fight and receive wounds in battle should have their medals take precedence over this. i ask all members to be in support of h.r. 833 and sign on as co-sponsors so we can correct this problem and work together to make sure that the bronze star and purple heart are kept in the rightful order of medals because these things do matter to our military. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio rise? to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. thank you, mr. speaker. i rise this evening to just honor and pay tribute to a dear, dear friend of mine and to the community and my congressional district, leo keating. mr. ryan: he was the grandfather of my legislative director ryan keating and his brother is a good friend of min, brandon. leo was a great world war ii veteran who knew how to live life. he was a pilot, he was a lawyer, he loved baseball, and he was funny. he was a tremendous guy who helped me at a very, very young age get into politics and today as we went through his mass, his funeral mass, his son dan, who practiced law with him, talked about these three bronze stars he earned in the war. typical of that generation, nobody really knew about it. because he didn t talk about it. and i wanted to rise today and honor that, and honor him, because i think as we deal with a lot of the craziness that s going on here in washington, d.c., it was a nice example today to see this man who is a hero to his country getting the military burial and what not and to think he never even talked about it and how beautiful that was, he was just a great guy with knew how to live life and we will miss leo keating and i know his family and friends will miss him dearly he gave us one last gift going out, his family wanted him to have dialysis, he said no. they said dad, try it one time, see if you like it, see if it helps. no, i m ready. and he was ready and he gave us one last example of how to live with grace and dignity. so, good-bye, leo. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. are there any other one-minute speeches? the chair lays before the house the following personal requests. the clerk: leave of absence requested for mr. cicilline of rhode island for today. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the request s grant. under the speaker s announced policy of january 3, 2013, the gentleman from california, mr. garamendi is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader. mr. garamendi: mr. speaker, thank you very much. i am john garamendi, from california, i m joined by a couple of my colleagues here tonight. we want to go through a couple of things that are of utmost importance to americans. i had three town halls on saturday in california. about 450-mile drive to get to all three of them buffalo at cheever one of them, the concerns were but at all three of them, but at each and every one of them, the concerns were similar. in california there s a desire to get the economy going, there s a pent up energy in the people, the small businesses he farm businesses, not just because of the almonds blossoming but there s a desire to get moving forward. and they keep asking me, what s going on in congress? why can t you guys get it together out there? we explain what s happening here. we have been through five crises over the last 18 months. manufactured crises. things that didn t have to happen. each and every time, the entire system of america s economy and politics comes to a stop and we lurch up to that fateful cliff and then we move on. but not w but not with the kind of robust energy that this economy is capable of. we need to get this c.r. this continuing resolution, and all of these fiscal cliffs out of the way. to get the economy moving. and there s some very, very good examples of why the economy is poised to take off. and one of them s found here. if you take a look at this chart, these are the jobs creation or losses beginning way back in 2009, 2008. and all those red lines were the collapse of the economy. when the blue came in, that s when president obama came in, four years ago. and things were tough. we were in a freefall here in our economy. but with the stimulus bill we began to climb out. and after about 18 months, we began to see positive job growth, no longer seeing those job losses. and we ve seen that all the way through. this last month was a terrific month. 247,000 new jobs created. and that was in february. and so what happens in march? in march we come up against another cliff. and now we have sequestration. sequestration will bring us 750,000 unemployed americans. not a gain in the economy. the unemployment rate went down previous month. and now we have sequestration. we passed a bill out of here last week that was supposed to solve it. it really didn t. in fact, it maintained sequestration. took care of a few things. but we got to get past this. we need to grow this economy. we need to make the investments. and there are really only five critical investments that need to be made year after year after year. and we need to do these things repeatedly. every month, every year in every budget. education, sequestration cuts education. all levels. research, sequestration cuts research. in my district, university of california-davis, $45 million of research projects have come to a screeching halt. ph.d. s and others will be laid off. infrastructure. infrastructure, sequestration cuts infrastructure. manufacturing matters. we ve got to make things. those are the four and the fifth is you have to be willing to change. but you ve got to change in a positive way. but we re going to talk about with my colleagues here, this issue of how to move the economy forward. and as we look at the past and this success, modest, not enough, but on the right track, we need to keep in mind that it is the role of the government, dating back to george washington and alexander hamilton, when washington asked hamilton to develop an industrial plan for the united states and hamilton did. and he laid out in that plan the critical role of government in moving the american economy forward and that was in the very first year of these united states. and so we should carry that tradition forward. as we go into this, let s keep in mind that we made progress and we have much more to do. joining me tonight is a gentleman who has created many, many jobs and now he has a new one. he s a member of congress from and reat state of maryland it s mr. delaney. thank you very much for joining us. you have an exciting district. you have a considerable amount of high-tech in your district. mr. delaney: i do. mr. garamendi: share with us your thoughts about how we can grow the economy and maybe some of your own experiences because you ve employed many, many people in your tenure in business. mr. delaney: that s right. i appreciate my friend from california providing me with this opportunity to talk about what i think is important for our economy. to get our economy going, to create jobs. and we spend a lot of time both in this congress and in washington generally talking about the economic challenges that this country faces and the employment challenges this country faces. and those conversations often evolve into conversations about our tax policy and about the size of our government. two very important things for us to be spending time on as we talk about the fiscal trajectory of the country. but two things that actually have very little to do with what s important for creating jobs in this country. because what s really caused the employment challenges that we face today, what s really caused the economic challenges that this country faces are two things, globalization and technology. two trends that are gripping our society and really started about 20 or 25 years ago. and these trends are accelerating. and many people have been benefited by these trends. americans with great education have been blessed by these trends. americans with access to capital have benefited because of these trends. and hundreds of millions of citizens and around the world have benefited from these trends because they move from formally not being in a modern economy to being in a formerly not being in a modern economy to being in a modern economy. but the fact is the average american has been negatively affected by these trends. it happened too quickly, we weren t quite prepared for it, we didn t invest in our future the way we need to, to prepare a broader number of americans for a world that is fundamentally changed has fundamentally changed changed because of these trends. to me this is the central issue we face as a country, if we want to reverse the employment trend. by the employment trend, i just don t mean the headline unemployment number. which is tragic. i mean what happens if you look behind those numbers. if you look at the standard of living of the average american, which has consistently gone down for now two decades. and in order to reverse these trends, in order to take these trends, globalization and technology, and bend them to benefit a broader number of americans, we fundamentally have to do things here in our country that involve investment. we have to improve our educational system and invest in education. there s never been a stronger correlation in the history of our country between having a good education and one s ability to get a job. we need a national energy policy that can lead us to the advanced energy economy which will be cleaner and more efficient and more economical. if you look back over the history of modern economies, the two most important numbers for an economy to be successful is the cost of money and the cost of energy. we have an opportunity if we lead in advanced energy to keep the cost of energy down. we need to reform our immigration system. half of the fortune 500 companies in this country were founded by immigrants or children of immigrants. immigrants fundamentally create jobs in this country. and we need to invest in our infrastructure. we need to build the modern infrastructure for the future, transportation, communication, energy, education alpha silts, all the things educational facilities, all the things we need to stay competitive. it will lay the groundwork for a more competitive america. these are the things we need to do to make our country more competitive so that we can create and attract and sustain jobs that have a high standard of living. that s the sacred trust we ve been given as members of congress. and to do these things, to make the investments that are important in energy and education and infrastructure and in our immigration system, we need to be in a position fiscally to make investments and that s a role of government that i strongly believe in. to do that we do have to change our fiscal trajectory. but we have to be honest about the drivers of our fiscal condition. we have to acknowledge that we do need comprehensive entitlement reform in this country, that are important entitle our important entitlement programs don t crowd out all the other priorities we have in the nation. we need to acknowledge that we need to reform our tax system, implement proposes as proposals like the buffett rule and create more revenue. our revenue as a percentage of our economy have never been lower. if we do these two things we create an opportunity for us to invest in our future. we create an opportunity to do the things we need to do to make this country more competitive. as someone who was the son of a union electrician, whose parents never went to college, who had the blessing of a good education and started two businesses from scratch that both became new york stock exchange companies and created thousands of jobs, i have an appreciation of what s important in terms of entrepreneurship in this country. and these are the things we need to do if we want to make a difference. and these are the things i care about as we try to work against these important trends. i yield back to my friend from california. mr. garamendi: thank you very much, mr. delaney. thank you. well, you hit it right on the head. education, technology issues that we have before us, the issue of globalization and how we deal with it here, energy policy. wow, we re really blessed in the united states with an energy that has studly suddenly come back to plossom. the natural gas blossom. the natural gas. what an enormous asset for this country. we really need to push that further along. and the immigration issue, all of these things before us right now. and if we move forward aggressively with the kind of things that you talked about and we re spending time here on the floor, we can really move this country and with the energy that businesses have and the experience that you know from your own experience in business, there s this penalty-up demand. there s a lot of pent-up demand. there s a lot of cash in the businesses of the nation. perhaps you can take up just the energy piece and put a little more thought not more thought but elaborate a little more on how you see the use of natural gas as a bridge, as you get to those clean energy issues that you talked about. mr. delaney: i think you made a very good point about the amount of cash in our private sector. there s more cash in u.s. corporations than there s ever been and there s more cash in our banks than there s ever been and i believe the private sector creates jobs but there s a clear role of government to level the playing field and make the investments that are needed for the private sector to thrive. and the energy industry is a terrific example of that. if we had a national energy policy that pointed us in a common direction where we could say, this is where we want our energy production and utilization to be in the future, it would benefit americans so much in the short-term, the quality of their life, in terms of making us more competitive. if you look back at the history of this country, it takes us 50 years to change energy sources. it took us 50 years to go from wood to coal. it takes 50 years to go from coal to oil and natural gas and it will take about 50 years to truly have a this advanced clean to have this advanced, clean, efficient energy economy that we know we should have in this country. we should have policies in place that encourage that. and natural gas can be a fabulous bridge to that to youture to that future. there has to be accountability. we have to make sure it s done in an environmentally sensitive way. but we should be embracing it because it can clearly bridge us in a cleaner way and in a cost-effective and competitive way to the future we all imagine for clean and advanced energy. it will take time to get there. it s a massive investment to transform our energy infrastructure which by the way will create a lot of jobs while we do it. but we can get there and natural gas can be a terrific bridge. mr. garamendi: i agree with all you ve said. as we make that bridge to that clean energy, few clean energy future, we need to keep in mind that we talked about those 50-year increments as we talked about changing from one source of energy to another. in that process we, american taxpayers, seriously subsidized each and every one of those transitions. we now have to shift, it seems to me, to shift some of those subsidies from the old energy sources, specifically oil, and shift that into long-term subsidies, encouragement to those clean energy issues. if we do that, i think we ll see that kind of growth that you were talking about. mr. delaney: i absolutely agree with you. mr. garamendi: i nouveau to leave. thank you i know you have to ev loo. thank you so mucher have you have to leave. thank you so very much for joining us. next up is mr. higgins from new york. you have a very serious issue about our infrastructure. or lack of good quality infrastructure in the united states. you have some plans for. that i don t know if that s what you want to talk about for that. i don t know if you want to talk about that tonight but i m going to take you there sooner or later. please share your thoughts. mr. higgins: i thank the gentleman from new york and i think that the infrastructure piece is a vehicle for growth. and it s refreshing to see that this discussion tonight between three members is about how to grow the economy. there is not an example in human history of an economy growing out of a recession from austerity measures. it didn t happen in japan in the 1990 s, it s not happening in europe today and it didn t happen in this country in 1937. what we have to do is invest in education, as the gentleman has said, scientific research and infrastructure. this weekend, former republican candidate for president, rudy giuliani, talked about the importance of investments that have a return, that grow jobs and reduce debt and deficit. he talked about transportation infrastructure and rebuilding the roads and bridges of this country. the republican budget that was released today, the ryan budget, proposes to cut infrastructure spending over $5.7 xt 10 years by trillion. i would submit to you that we are moving in the wrong direction. we need to make investments in this economy. keep in mind, you know, a lot of people around here mr. garamendi: excuse me, may i interrupt you for just a second? mr. higgins: sure. mr. garamendi: i can t believe the number you just gave me. or gave to everybody. you said the ryan republican budget that will come out this week does what to infrastructure? mr. higgins: cuts infrastructure spending by $5.7 trillion over 10 years. doesn t do anything doesn t do anything to defense spending. so while we, the advocates of increased infrastructure spending, want to nation build here at home in america, the ryan budget wants to continue to nation build in afghanistan and iraq and other places. in world war ii world war ii ended in 1945. we still have 52,000 u.s. soldiers in germany. we still have 49,000 u.s. soldiers in japan. we still have 10,000 u.s. soldiers in italy. we need to bring them home and nation build here. that s the paul ryan budget, not the tim ryan budget. mr. garamendi: you ve hit on something that caught my attention. also we should be aware that this year, october 2012 until october 2013, we will spend $100 billion $100 billion in afghanistan. to what effect? to have our soldiers kill wid afghan policemen? to create an ongoing conflict in that area with the people that are living there? to what effect? $100 billion. talk about bringing home the soldiers, we should bring the soldiers home from afghanistan. there ll be some small unit left there to deal with al qaeda and other terrorist organizations but it s not working. think about what $100 billion could do to solve the sequestration issue, which is nly $85 billion. mr. higgins: can i say something before you turn it other to the distinguished gentleman from ohio, mr. ryan? a lot of people here in the majority do a lot of complaining about spending. the irony is, they did all the spending. you know, at the end of 2000, we had a budgetary surplus of $258 billion. they took that surplus and financed two wars, it took $1.2 trillion out of the american economy. they financed a drug prescription program, unpaid for, will cost us $1 trillion over 10 years. and they financed two tax cuts that didn t produce the skine of growth they were said to set to said to produce. after those tax cuts were enacted, disproportionately for the wealthy, we had the worst period of economic growth in 75 years. the clinton administration produced 22 million private sector jobs. we had 4% annual economic growth sustained over an eight year period that purr produces budget tear surpluses and reduces the debt. that s lesson we should embrace. not the measures republicans are proposing, because historic lit it hasn t produced the kind of growth they promise it will produce. mr. ryan: if the gentleman will yield, i d like to comment on the infrastructure piece. here we are today with needs abound in the country, both rail, combined sewer, highways, bridges, each of our counties york pull out how much bridges in our country counties aren t up to specs, i think it s 50 or 60 just in one of my bigger counties. these projects will only get more expensive. the energy costs going in are going to get more expensive. the labor costs are going to get more expensive. everything associated, the terribles, everything associated with what needs to get done is going to become more expensive. i think the good buzz move on behalf of the taxpayer would be to get this done now, get people back to work and i recognize that we re still running deficit bus the interest rate at which we re borrowing the money is minimal. 1%, 2%. so we re going to wait. here s what s going to happen. we re going to wait, accidents are going to happen, bridges will collapse, things are going to just need to get done and then these local governments, state governments, we ll have to go out and borrow the money for 5% as opposed to 1% or 2%. i think as we re thinking about this, it s not that we re say, we don t have anything better to do, let s just spend government money, no. these are strategic investments, like in virginia, they re going to increase productivity, so people aren t just sitting in their cars, they re more productive, have higher quality of life, spend more time with their family, all these things we say are important. but we re going backwards because at some point this stuff has to get done. according to transportation for america, there s 69,000 structurally deficient bridges in this nation. in new york, there are over ,000 bridges structurally deficient. in western new york, there are 99 bridges that are structurally deficient. every second of every day, seven cars drive on a bridge that s structurally deficient. as the gentleman from ohio pointed out, public infrastructure is the public s responsibility. it s as old as lincoln. he called them land improvements and railroads of the time. it s not a question of whether or not the public will will improve the infrastructure, chst when it s when does it make the most sense. we believe money is at cheap as it s ever going to be, labor is as cheap as it s ever going to , it s as cheap as it s ever going to be. mr. garamendi: i couldn t believe that paul ryan will introduce a budget in the next few days that s going to take $5 trillion out of infrastructure. they always say we should, hen back to the founding far fathers and indeed we should. in his first month in august, george washington asked his treasury secretary, alexander hamilton, to develop a plan for the united states. in that was an infrastructure component. it said the united states government should support the creation of ports, canals and roads. right back to the very first days of this government, we have seen the role of the federal government in the infrastructure sector. and that is an investment. one thing i ll add before i turn it become to you gentleman, all of that s our tax money. our tax money from all 360 million americans, coming in in one way or another, sometimes through the federal excise gas on gasoline, if we use that money to buy american made steal steel, i think that s near your district. mr. ryan: i think the gentleman from buffalo knows a little about that too. mr. garamendi: talking about american-made steel or concrete for those bridges. other kinds of equipment. if we do that, we create knobs in the united states. the manufacturing sector lost nine million jobs between 1990 and last year. this last year we ve seen an additional 600,000 new jobs coming back into manufacturing. if we passed buy american, make it in america legislation so our tax money supports american-made products from american-made workers, made in america, we can see a boom in manufacturing. it s going to be important in my district and i m sure it is in yours. gentlemen, you re right on target here. these are the investments, these are the investments that george washington and alexander hamilton said we ought to make. mr. ryan, i know you have other things you d like to toss into this. one of the things you were talking about, i m just starting to learn more and more about this new additive manufacturing, there s a center in youngstown, ohio, now, a regional center for additive manufacturing the old school manufacturing is you would cut things out they called it subtractive manufacturing. the new stuff is a printer you have that would be in your, line the printer you have in your office, except you pump material into it and it just instead of ink on paper, it s a material that would make a component part. and the cost is down no to $700 or $800. this is the next generation of manufacturing. and i bring it up because the president put together a proposal, the department of energy, expect of commerce, department of defense, to partner with the private sector to create one of these innovation institutes. he wants to do 15 more for $1 billion. if you would see the activity going on in youngstown, ohio, now. the companies that are parting with us, with the private sector work carnegie mellon, it goes to pittsburgh, university of akron, lehigh, penn state, west virginia, we ve got to get buffalo in there somehow. but the point is, public-private partnership for the to expedite the development of new technologies. the president and his team get this. democrats get this. we ve got to get away from the away from the narrative that anything the government spends money on is bad, it s a waste of tax collars, whether it s infrastructure, public-private partnerships like the institutes that we need to create, that s the seed corn for the next generation of alternative energy, windmill, solar panels, whatever the case may be. we don t know what it is. that s why the recipe has always been invest in the basic research, put these public-private partnerships together and magic will happen because you have the basic scientific intellect and intelligence there with partnering with the private sector who has a profit motive and magic happens. and now we ve gotten this scenario where the government has no role in this. no role at all. it s not either-or. i d like to ask my friends who think it s either of or, what other relationship with another human being do you have that is that black and white? this stuff is complicated. it s complex. it takes nuance. that s what s happening in youngstown. i think it s a good example of what can happen around the country if you in older areas where we don t have the local tax base that we used to have to have the federal government come in and you should see the ripple effect already happening. it s a beautiful thing. but it takes that kind of comprehensive plan. mr. garamendi: mr. higgins? mr. higgins: i was going to mention, tim was talking about infrastructure, the new american foundation has a study out called the way forward. they propose putting $1.2 billion onap and equipment is cheap. but they further explain it will create 25 million jobs over the next five years. five millionnempyment rate from its current rate to 6.4%. five million the second year reducing the unemployment rate further to 5.4%. these are proven growth vehicles and that s exactly what the economy does. it will also put people back to their considerable credit, have a program called helmets and hard hats, where they take veterans returning from iraq and afghanistan, expedite their apprenticeship training and uh put them to work making $60,000 or $70,000 a year. you want to say thank you for your service on behalf of a grateful nation, put them to work rebuilding this nation. we will spend, the federal government, transportation and infrastructure this year, $53 billion. it s a disgrace. we re a nation of 300 million people. we just spent as a nation, the united states, $89 billion rebuilding the roads and bridges of afghanistan. you spend $69 billion rebuilding the roads and bridges of iraq. those are nations of 30 million and 26 million respectively. but for a nation of 300 million people, you re going to spend $5 billion. mr. ryan: you look at what our top competitors are spending as a percentage of their g.d.p., i think we re at 1% of our g.d.p. that we spend on infrastructure, maybe went up to 2% in this recovery package but if you look at india and china, it s 7% of 8% of their g.d.p. granted, they re still developing in so many different ways but for us to be at 1% and they re at 6% or 7% or 8%, how are we going to be able to keep up when our infrastructure is so much older, it s time to rebuild america. and i don t know anybody in my district, democrat or republican, who is really not for that. if you i ve had republican friends of mine say, the light bulb goes off and says, we re going to have to co-this at some point and we have we ve got a high unemployment rate and low interest rate, doesn t make sense to put it off. mr. garamendi: if not now, when? we can to these things, wind turbiners in clean energy, solar panels and of course the transportation systems which we discussed. mr. ryan: as you said, too, you ve got to ship that stuff. needs shipped somewhere on a road and over bridges and ports and airports and lo gistjicks logistics facilities and everything else. mr. garamendi: george washington and alexander hamilton at the very start of the nation said build the infrastructure. mr. higgins: we need them back here. mr. garamendi: well, the president has said it too. he talked about infrastructure, he s made proposals that have been push aid side by our republican colleagues here. there are proposals that would grow this economy, give us the foundation on which we can have additional growth. i see that the representative from the city of washington, the district of washington, is here, ms. norton, thank you for joining us. gentlemen, thank you for this evening. eleanor holmes norton, thank you for ginning us. ms. norton ms. ms. norton: i want to thank the gentleman from kale. infrastructure is all made in america if we make sure we don t build bridges, for example, from materials from china, but when it comes to the roads, when it comes to the cement, we don t get those from abroad. we make those here. that s why infrastructure has always been the foremost way to stimulate an economy. it s interesting that it stimulates not only the construction trades but it s best because it stimulates other parts of the economy below it, the way to get everything going. i couldn t agree with you more in pointing out you and i on the transportation and infrastructure committee, the importance of infrastructure. that used to be the great boish issue of the congress of the united states. i think there s some chance it will be again. we node that we note that this congress, the bill we just passed the last congress, service transportation bill, will have to be renewed next year. i certainly hope that becomes an opportunity to do a service transportation bill for more than two years and that s where we have to get to work right now. . i wanted to say to my friend, i m so pleased he came to the floor today, in particular the time the ryan budget has come forward, and i note the very good news, the 247,000 jobs that the private sector on its own, with no help from the public sector, no help from the congress, came forward has come forward with, cheering all of us up. but, mr. speaker, i do want to note that we are about to counterman all that the private sector is doing alone. and the reason is that the federal and the state sectors are doing just the opposite. they are reducing spending, states and cities are causing layoffs and the result is that s why every job that the private sector makes, we are moving in exactly the opposite are ion because all oars not in the water. if you re trying to bring growth, and thank goodness we have a private sector that is beginning to say we won t wait for the other oars, the private and the state oar, we re going in now, the rest of you should join us. the very least we should do, however, is to make it worse for the private sector to keep doing what it s doing, sequester of course will do that. the markets have not reacted yet. but there is no way in which people in the private sector, particularly small businesses, are going to continue to add jobs as they see that the federal and state governments are doing just the opposite. the reason the state governments are doing that is because when we make cuts, that passes through directly to them. so they re trying to protect themselves because they must have a balanced budget. since they must have a balanced budget, they are making cuts every single day or at least reducing spending and the ryan budget comes forward and in a real sense it looks like a lot like it s always looked. but look what it does. it makes half of its so-called savings from health care, medicare, medicaid and of all things, the affordable care act. i guess a budget ought to be we ought to say a budget is what indeed it always has been, s what you hope it s a hope-for document. i hope that we don t get the ryan budget. but i cannot believe that mr. ryan believes that at this late date, with an election already taking place, with the benefit of the affordable care act benefits of the affordable care act flowing every day, that we re about to repeal that. half of his savings, medicare, medicaid, the affordable care stamps. he caps food i want to say to my good friend from california, i think we ought to stop slapping the private sector in the face every time it makes jobs, making sure that we do cuts that take away the affects of those jobs effects of those jobs. that s what we re doing. i note that you have one of the posters that show how we hurt people. we ought to also understand we hurt people and we hurt the economy at the same time. and that s why c.b.o. says 700,000 jobs are at risk because of the sequester alone. leave aside what the ryan budget will do. mr. garamendi: thank you very much, representative norton, and for your years of service here. you were just moving through the ryan budget which i suspect he ll introduce maybe in the next day or two. this is the same old-same old but this time it s worse than the old. talking about an austerity budget, a very stringent austerity budget on steroids that will clearly decimate the economy as those cuts are made. you just said the federal government makes a reduction, it comes right down to cities and states laying people off. and we ve had this growth this month, 274,000 jobs 247,000 jobs, and here we go. let s understand what is being discussed by mr. ryan. who are these people on medicaid? and he propose it s to cut medicaid by 1/3 and block grant it to the states which means just give the states the money. but who are those people on medicaid? we call it medical in california but you can see that 2/3 of the medicaid money goes to seniors and disabled. so, mr. ryan, what are you doing? who exactly are you pointing out for the reductions? you re going after seniors and the disabled. ms. norton: i think that point you just made about medicaid needs to be said again. people think of medicaid as somehow poor people who are left to fend for themselves. it turns out almost all of the funds, 2/3, go to seniors and disabled people. we re targeting the wrong people. mr. garamendi: they think it s welfare. these are seniors and disabled people who can t work or people that are retired. so, what does it mean? it slashes that budget for seniors that provide them with nursing homes. these folks are in nursing homes. so you re going to take 1/3 of the money out of nursing homes. now, just what are those seniors going to do? what are they going to do? they re taking 1/3 of the money out by 2022. you mentioned medicare. oh, yeah, medicare. mr. ryan proposes to end medicare as we know it. he s going to give seniors a voucher. well, they can stay on medicare but they have a voucher to buy medicare. a guarantee of affordable health care, quality health care for seniors terminates with the ryan republican budget. who are those people on medicare? let s see. about 3% earn over $100,000 a year. 1% somewhere around $0,000 to $100,000 $90,000 to $100,000. down here, here s where the medicare beneficiaries are. they re earning somewhere, $10,000 to $20,000 or $30,000 right here. $28,000, $20,000, $16,000. you re getting up to 50%. people below 40% or $40,000. these are not wealthy people. medicare is there to provide people with the ability to have quality health care in their retirement years. mr. ryan would end that. and give them a voucher. and shift the cost to the individuals who would then have to go out and buy private health insurance. i was insurance commissioner in california for eight years. and i understand what the private insurance companies are all about. the private health insurance companies are all about their bottom line profit. it s not people, it s profit. and if that s what mr. ryan wants to do, we re going to find vigorously and successfully to say no, no, the promise of medicare, the promise of medicare is here to stay. ms. norton: isn t that by the way exactly how we got medicare? that seniors were left to the private market and finally the congress understood that the private market could not accommodate people with that 22%, 28% income. mr. garamendi: exactly right. when i was young, before medicare, my dad, we lved in a rural community, we lived in a rural community, there was a county hospital. my dad took me to the county hospital to visit the rancher we were ranchers, on the other side of the hill was another rancher that was elderly and at the county hospital. i will remember forever in my life going to that ward with maybe 15, 20 elderly people side by side in beds, the stench, the care was almost nonexistent. poverty was everywhere. it was worse than horrible. but in 1964, 1964 this nation did something very, very important. together with social security, they brought seniors out of poverty. because it was the medical expenses that forced them into poverty. so medicare brought seniors out of poverty and it went from, i don t know, i think it was almost 80% of seniors were in poverty, the situation today where maybe 8% to 10% are in poverty. social security, medicare. absolutely critical. ms. norton: and medicaid. mr. garamendi: and any attempt to change that goes right to the heart of our value as americans. we will take care of our seniors. that s not to say changes are not possible. of course changes ought to be possible. for example, we ought to be negotiating with the drug companies over the price of prescription drugs. but oh, no. when the prescription drug benefit was passed, added into and signed by george w. bush, was a paragraph that said, the federal government is a price taker, it cannot negotiate the price of drugs. so we spend billions and billions that are not necessary. ms. norton: and of course there are some agencies who do negotiate the price of drugs. mr. garamendi: exactly. ms. norton: i do want to point out that when you talk about the transfer of the expense costs of medicare to seniors themselves, the costs we know they can t possibly bear, notice that your hopes got up when mitt romney said during the campaign that we should reduce the loopholes. not what mr. ryan does. he reduces the loopholes in order to give rich folks a further tax reduction. so, where does the money go? the top rate now is 39.6%. he wants to bring that top rate down to 25%. so he wants to close the loopholes all right. i m not sure which ones he has in mind. but they would go back into the same 1% sector that already has gotten all the benefit from tax consult cutlers until what we finally did in cuts until we what we finally did in january, which is that others got some relief as well. garr i m going to pick up another chart. the issue you race mr. garamendi: let me pick up another chart. the issue you raised is one. ms. norton: i m very glad my good friend from california does have a way to illustrate all of these points. not only does he reduce the top rate from 39.6% that s how much the very richest would pay, the 25%. but you may say, well, but he s got a 10% rate in there, essentially for everybody else. well, if everybody else pays 10% and the very richest pay 25%, there would be no revenue for the federal government. so all we re saying about medicare and medicaid would mean there would be no revenue to fund them. and that seems to be his point. get so little revenue coming into the federal government itself that in and of will mean you have to have cuts and get rid of these programs that we ve been building for 50 years. mr. garamendi: i ran over and got this chart. i wasn t going to talk about this this evening but you brought the issue up about where the money has gone and the issue of tax breaks. l.a. this chart begins in 1979 this chart begins in 1979 and it shows the basic growth in income. it starts down here at 79%. this is the bottom 20% that have really seen maybe very, very little growth in their income. the next 20%, a little better. nd this is the next. these are the one-percenters. we talked about the 99%. this is the 99% down here. these are the one-percenters. these are the people who have seen extraordinary income growth. and it just happens to coincide right here, this income growth, has coincided with the bush tax cuts in the early 2000 s. we ve seen this enormous percentage income, almost a 300% income, 277% growth in their income. so that you re beginning to see this screwing of wealth in america. this is the annual income. but if
he delivered in italian, rather than latin. now, live from rome. he is already distinguishing himself. marci? that is right. it has been a busy first day for the first ever pope from the americas. today, we are learning even more about him. on the first full day, the first sunny day sin the conclave began, glimmers of his character are shining through. he is a man who is quiet but charismatic. he is general gentle. he is committed to the poor. in argentina, he sold off the church mansion choosing to live in a small room downtown, instead. he brings the same desire for a simple lifestyle to the papal court they will be in shock. this may not be a man who wants to wear slick and furs a message he is sending from the modest attire to the stop at a hotel in rome. he stopped in the main office, greeted everyone and decided to pay the bill for his room that he had been occupying because he was concerned about giving a good example of what priests and bishops should document. setting an example from the first words as pontiff. the prayer said today going at the main basilica dedicated to the virgin mary and at mass with the cardinals in the sistine chapel. while the celebrations continue back home in argentina, this was a quiet start to what could be a ground-breaking papacy. the crowds will fill the square again for the big inaugural mass. thank you, marci. a lot of positive reaction for the 76-year-old. but there are reservations. katie marzullo? the pope is the first in many ways, the first pope from south america, the first francis and many hope he brings fresh impressions. people like what he is about and where he is from. this is good for latin america and the whole world. it is a new era. he is supporting not only people from his nation but also poor people from around the world. one catholic in san jose is keeping his praise for pope francis in check. i have a wait-and-see attitude because he has a reputation for being ultra conservative. that type of pope is not the remedy of what ails the catholic face. nancy pelosi, the highest ranking highest democrat in the house could not take her eyes off the event. there wasn t a detail about what was happening there, historically, in every way, that i did not have an insatiable appear time. being from san francisco, she is particularly happy he picked francis. he is everything they will looking for, a good leader, good pass door and good communicator. when we found that man, where he came from, his age, what his background was, that was all gravy and we got not only a great man but we got good gravy, too. vice president biden will lead the united states delegation on tuesday and house speaker boehner was invited but he cannot go because he is hosting the irish prime minister at the capitol and because of budget negotiations. st. mary s cathedral in san francisco has a special mass of thanksgiving for pope francis at 12:10 on gulf street. the mass will be led bid san francisco s bishop. stay with us for complete coverage on the selection of pope francis as the new leader of the roman catholic church with the latest on facebook.com facebook.com/use 7 and on twitter. san jose police have arrested a teacher for possess willing possessing child pornography at home. he was taken into custody in sea side yesterday. he used to work as a substitute teacher in san jose from 2008 to 2011. officers are working to identify the children in the photos. we have new details on how a registered sex offender ended up on the burst of a high school field trip. amy hollyfield is live in san jose at the high school. how did parents react? with concern and questions. it turns out this happened because a teacher was trying to do something nice offering a wheelchair-bound woman and her companion a ride on the school bus. the woman s companion was a registered sex offender. i was extremely disappointed and sad and upset this happened, this prepare of our policy by a staff member. the superintendent says a registered sex offender should not have been on the school bus full of high school students. he says the man was with a parent of a student. they were with the high school students on a field trip to a college. they did not ride over on the bus but found themselves without a ride home. on the way home, we had a wheelchair bound person with another adult helping her, and they requested a ride on the bus because they did not have a ride to the high school. our staff member allowed that to happen. parent contacted the superintendent who sent a letter to parents. no good for the kids. hopefully it will not happen again. i am surprised. surprised. (inaudible). the superintendent and police have determined the man sat in the front of the bus a few rows away from kids. based on our internal investigation and the preliminary investigation of the police department there was no interaction with this adult and our students. he plans to retrain faculty who go on field trips with students. that is my pledge, our district will not allow this to happen and violate the trust of our families. san jose police say it doesn t look like the plan committed any crimes but it was school policy broken and that is what the superintendent is worried about. the former congressman joined surfers near half moon bay in a protest today over an access road that was closed down to a popular surfing spot. abc7 news reporter, cornell bernard, joins us. the sheriff showed up? surfers expected some kind of confrontation with the sheriff deputies when they showed up today when they entered this beach road, the surfers, over this now controversial closed gate. you may be surprised what happened next. proof of protesting surfers quietly climbed over a closed gate which said private property, no trespassing and led by an 85-year-old former congressman who demands this road to the beach be on to the public. it is illegal to sell. you cannot put a gate to a public access to a beach in california. the people of california have the right to go down this easement since god knows when. in 47 i went down. this act is days after a lawsuit was filed by surfers again the owners of the brought who bought the beach in 2008 and put up a gate and hired security guards. we did not see any guards. surfers say the road is the only way to access the beach. this is the only possible access. both ends are blocked by big rock head lands and it is addition. san mateo sheriff deputies watched the surfers enter the property but did not cite or stop anyone. we are not stopping access to this. they have every right to walk there. it is in civil litigation. until that is resolveed everyone has access. a lawsuit was filed. the attorney who represented the property owner says the beach welcomes the lawsuit. we are anxious to have a court decide the rights and obligations of the parties. the beach access road is private. a group of surfers beg to differ they are still down at the beach right now checking out the waves . this gentleman used the words in the 1940 s when he was a stanford student coming down here with his friends to.hang out and drink beer. cornell, thank you. it has happened again, another crippleed carnival cruise ship leaves passengers with overflowing toilets and other problems. and t.s.a. battles airlines and workers over a decision to allow small knives on passengers from the carnival cruise ship dream will head to the airport after the caribbean vacation was brought to a stop. here are pictures from earlier. carnival said they are making arrangements to fly more than 3 hurricane sandy 600 passengers home from san martin but did not say when. the power is out and the toilets are overflowing. the elevators and the toilets have been shut down for several hours. last evening, when they did that the toilets were overflowing in the common area on the main floors. carnival is denying that saying there were interruptions but describes them as brief. the head of the t.s.a. will testify before congress on the controversial new rule to allow small 9 on planes. the t.s.a. administrator has been battled with worker whose think small knives should not be allowed. he says he is more worried about explosives and they do not pose a catastrophic testify and will tell before the house of representatives homeland security committee this afternoon. mike nicco, our meteorologist, is ahead with the forecast. we talked how we would have thicker clouds but they will not stop the remain watching trend. here is a picture as we look from mount tamalpais at the cloud cover that is hanging around the coast. you will miss out on the warming trend but we will all get rain. that is the forecast coming up. plus a major recall for a honda, the problems that could cause some vehicles to break on their daly city, dublin, los gatos, and all bay area, this is abc7 news. honda is recalling 180,000 cars in the united states because of brake problems saying the issue is with the vehicle s electronics stability control system. it can cause a car to break when the driver is not pressing the pedal and includes 225 honda pilots and the 2005 acura is on the list and the 2006 acura, the luxury division of honda. honda will contact customers with details on how to schedule a repair. it is still cloudy but, mike, that is not keeping the temperatures from reaching warm temperatures. still warm air mass over us with the cloud cover dissipate ing and the flight arrival delays are over and dense fog advisory is over. now, live doppler 7 hd shows temperatures afternoons i am having trouble getting this loaded there is a lot of cloud cover and it will show that visibility is improved quite a bit since this morning. we will zoom down do show you the low visibility at 6 miles at half moon bay and 9 at sfo and everyone else is okay. from south beach to the south you can see the filtered sun with temperatures running 57 in san francisco to 58 in san jose and mill valley, and we have 59 in oakland, check out palo alto at 61 and walnut creek at 70 degrees. as we look from emeryville toward san francisco you can see the thicker clouds along the coast, in the upper 50 s in santa rosa and napa and hayward and low-to-mid 60 s hayward and livermore. here is what will happen with the forecast. thick are high clouds but warmer-than-average and not so warm as yesterday. partly cloudy and mild all the way through the weekend with rain looking more likely next week so sierra snow, also. here is san jose, this morning, you can see the high clouds and sunshine and the temperature is 72 today, five degrees warmer-than-average and same in redwood city and san francisco and 70 in oakland and 74 in livermore. that is seven or eight degrees warmer-than-average. 72 in san jose, and check out los gatos, about 76 degrees today. 70 from redwood city south, 69 in san mateo and 63 in millbrae and upper 50 s along the coast where the clouds are stubborn to 60 in daly city and mid-to-upper 60 s downtown south san francisco and sausalito, low-to-mid 70 s through the north bay valley and 10- to 15-degrees cooler at the beaches and around 67 or 68 or 69, and upper 60 s near the east bay shore. low-to-mid 70 s in the east bay valley and brentwood is a warmer spot at 75 degrees. around the state we had a record high in tahoe: 69 degrees. cooler today but impressively warm at 63. upper 70 s in sack membership to, and record high in fresno of 86 and palm springs: 97 degrees. march 13. it is well ahead of schedule. we have mid-40 s inland land and up to 50 around the bay and to the coast it is filtered sun. tuesday morning, next tuesday morning, folks, at 8:00, the storm system is headed further south and by the evening hours we will have light rain developing in the north bay and the heavy rain looks like it will fall in the overnight hours and through wednesday s morning commute and you can see the lighter green. that was the heavier precipitation and that will fall the form of snow in the sharia. we have possibly .5 to an inch of rain. possibly. again. that is a week away. tomorrow, another delightful day with fog in the morning giving way to hazy sunshine. saturday and sunday are breezy and above average. tuesday, the temperatures are back to average because of increase in cloud cover and only a 50-degree high for wednesday. abc7 news has another great weather source if you on live doppler 7 hd on twitter with the latest bay area conditions. and you can get spare the air alert, power outage information and weather tweets from your favorite weather team at live doppler 7 hd. good to know, thank you. physicists are confident they have discovered what is nicknamed the god particle. scientists. have been using the largest atom smasher to search for the particle and a look shows they found it. the particle explains why matter has mass and is considered a missing cornerstone of physics. from physics to math, right? absolutely. first, you have a tweet of the name behind that particle. different than what we came up with? it will be tweeted for you. this is a special day for fans, a big celebration in honor today on katie detoxifying your life. how to live all green these days and how it began when an actress was a child. i was hospitalized, any cold i got went straight to pneumonia and it is probably why i became an actress i spent so much time alone, i fantasizeed how to be someone else. i wanted to be a superior super hero. and a doctor talking about work on childhood allergies today at 3:00 on katie right here on abc7 news. coming up at 4:00, the trouble a british man got into after his heroic effort to keep 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more americans who are getting notices saying they re going to lose their health insurance plans and will have to pay more for new plans are feeling a, quote, sense of betrayal. the white house, the president isn t leveling with us. he s trying to cover his tracks, claiming he never really made these promises. no wonder a member of his own party called this a crisis of confidence. if the president s truly sorry about all this, he ll take steps to right this wrong. congressman young says the house will take up a bill next week that would allow people to keep their current health insurance plans. the president said this week that he was sorry that people are finding themselves in this situation, braced on assurances they got from me. he insists most of these people will end up with better coverage once they get on the obama care website. i regret very much that what we intended to do, which is to make sure that everybody is moving into better plans because they want them, as opposed to because they re forced into it. th that. tax payer dollars to help may for their plannings. that part of the sight will be down until tuesday morning. greg? molly, thanks very much. the fox news extreme weather alert now, the most powerful storm in over 30 years is ripping through the philippines, look at these amazing new images. this is the monster storm as it looks from space. the typhoon has left at least 1,000 people dead, according to to the red cross. that number, though, expected to rise sharply. as this storm barrels toward vietnam. . those images are incredible, aren t they? the ones from space. this was a perfect storm. it was a perfect strength. these images we re just getting in. if you look at the storm before it made landfall, the estimates are 195-mile-per-hour sustained winds. they don t have hurricane hunters or air force reconnaissance like we do when we go out and investigate. this is preliminary, we still are going to have to see how this pans out. but right now, if it does make landfall, or it did make landfall as a 195-mile-per-hour sustained storm, it will be the strongest landfalling tropical cyclone on record. and one of the ways we deem this incredibly strong, is look at how circular, that eye s it mean it is incredible. that s as strong as you get. as an eye making landfall across this region, this very vulnerable area. taking a look at katrina, at the height of katrina s strength, the category 5, taking a look at this really beautiful looking storm, but just a monster. and then high on, before it made landfall, you can see again, that circular structure, and that perfect eye right there. actually haiyan is smaller comparatively speaking to katrina. and katrina, once it made landfall was a cat 3, which we think was equivalent to a cat 5. this is the latest, so it has gone down to category 2. we still think it could be a strong cat 1 as it makes a second landfall across vietnam over the next couple of days and we could see rain estimates over two feet in this region. back to you. a mandatory evacuation order is now under way in vietnam as it braces for the onslaught of this typhoon, more than 500,000 people living in a direct danger zone. told to head to shelters and government buildings, cities and coastal areas, especially vulnerable. people there are putting up sandbags, securing boats as they await the approaching storm. the 2,000-pound satellite the falling back toward earth now, expected to crash sometime between sunday night and monday afternoon. scientists say there s no way to be sure when or where it will hit. this type of satellite is designed to orbit at a very low altitude, to measure the planet s gravity. this one ran out of gas last month and has been steadily sinking. negotiations at a stand still over iran s nuclear program, day three of meetings in geneva, secretary of state john kerry, and other world powers, trying to come up with a possible deal, reducing iran s nuclear capability. but they remain split as to the way to do that. jennifer griffin has more from washington. greg, it seems that talks in geneva have hit a snag, at least according to the french foreign minister who has been forthright and when secretary of state john kerry abruptly changed his schedule to fly to geneva and the talks entered an unexpected third day, the tone coming from leaders involved in the meetings began to change. we haven t done the deal yet. we haven t made this deal yet. so i think everybody will have to comment on it if and when we come to any conclusions and make that judgment about it then. the iranians want sanctions lifted immediately on their oil and banking sectors and may not be satisfied with the west s proposal for a one-time infusion of $50 billion in cash that was frozen in european banks when the sanctions went into effect. and then there is the issue of iran s plutonium producing reactor. it s not clear that the iranians will agree to western demands to downgrade its stockpiles of enriched uranium. the iranians already have 100 pounds of enriched plutonium. time is of the essence, and yet the talks in geneva which looked so promising when senator kerry and others made their way to general near have. we re going to have all this with k.t. mcfarland coming up. jonathan martin set to meet now with the nfl s special investigator this next week. the informal will be looking into allegations that the dolphins guard ritchie incognito and others harassed martin. incognito was suspended shortly after martin quilt the team. the league is also vinvestigatig whether the team knew of the bullying and mishandled the entire matter. why british investigators are questioning a newspaper editor. and get ready for a lunar light show involving a comet and the sun. there s a preview. it s out of this world, we re going to tell you where the olympic flame is burning bright. as a business owner, i m constantly putting out fires. so i deserve a small business credit card with amazing 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they are desperate for this deal with iran and the iranians know. where they are now is that the united states and the west, we want to run iran to roll back i nuclear plan or stop it in place. and stopping it in its place is not going to be good for israel. we re talking got the left lifting some of the sanctions on iran, but that would leave intact, actually a substantial part of tehran s nuclear weapons making ability so in truth, what good is that? well, they want their cake and they want to eat it too. so iran wants us to lift sanctions so they can improve their economy. and they want to improve their nuclear capabilities. a will make them the strongest henchmen in the middle east. what are we likely to give them? i think we have all right indicated that we are lifting the sanctions, there s been some indications that the obama administration has been lifting the sanctions for the last several months. so the iranians are getting what they want. other countries in the region, they re not going to look at a deal and say, oh, great, iran s no longer going to be a nuclear weapons state. maybe technically iran won t be, but in fact they are. so we are going to nuke up, we are going to get our own nuclear weapons. the saudis have already said they have got on order. turkey and egypt will get on board with the same thing. turkey, egypt and whether you re going to see them, greg, in the middle east, the most unstable part of the world is going to have the world s most lethal weapons. and as long as we get our oil from that part of the world, we re going to be stuck with it. iran has so many centrifuges, and they re spinning away. and it s kind of hard to know where they all are. it s kind of a shell game. and how far along they are in producing weapons-grade materials, i m not sure we exactly know how close could they be, do you think? well, most experts say that nobody s saying that they re more than a year away, everybody s saying, months, weeks, some experts say one, some experts say another. but to put it into perspective, greg, there are twice as many centrifuges in iran than there are starbucks in the united states. i mean they are all over, they have the ability the other countries in the region, major roll back of their program, the other countries in the region are going to proliferate. and the whole point of a deal with iran, was so that there would not be nuclear proliferation in the middle east. it will encourage those countries, because the united states will look like we are blessing the iranian program. and i would assume that the israelis and benjamin netanyahu won t stand for that. what are their options? they invented the game of th news at it. so they have not everybody check mated. we re now negotiated with iran. if israel were to do some kind of military option, those negotiations would blow up. who do you think president obama is going to blame for that? he ll blame israel. because it looks like israel is going to take away obama s great legacy. so israel, and i think that window for israeli option, military option has closed. that s why i think you re seeing that sort of desperate look of president netanyahu s face, he knows it s really going to be tough for israel or anybody to stopper rang at this point. again, that s why it s so important to get our oil from someplace other than the middle east. we need to iran is not only eventually going to have nuclear weapons, and eventually maybe within a year, nuclear weapons. but they also have missiles that have the ability to deliver them to europe and eventually within five years, to deliver them to the u.s. energy independence and missile defense is how we re going to solve this. spectacular show in the heavens. a comet has a date with the sun. we re going to tell you who how and how you can see it as well, next. we still run into problems. that s why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness if you qualify, and new car replacement, standard with our auto policies. so call liberty mutual at. today. and if you switch, you could save up to $423. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what s your policy? look up in the skies. stargazers are getting a real treat right now, and it will culminate in one of the closest comet encounters with the sun around thanksgiving at the end of the month. here to talk to us is the editor-in-chief of astronomy. good to see you. this one is called a sun grazer. explain that. it is a sun grazer because the comet is coming in and passing close to the sun. about 1.8 kilometers which is a long hike. but for a comet it is close to the sun. that means it is getting very, very bright if it is that close to our star on november 28th. could the sun de voi it? sun destroy it? it could break apart. the gravity of the sun could pull the comet apart and fragment it. some will come closer than this one will. it will do a straight dive into the sun and completely disintegrate. nobody knows if it will survive. but there is a possibility it could break up. what could this comet tell us? could it tell us some things about the origin of the universe and the solar system and so forth? they are on the edge of our solar system a long, long way away. it is from the edge and it comes close. comets are mostly water, but they contain compounds and molecules. the only comet sampled with a return to earth and contain the molecule glicene that is an amino acid and one of the building blocks of life. it cannot only tell us about the early solar system and how our solar system formed, but possibly about the abundance of life and the universe. it is so close to the sun, anything about the sun itself? yes, it can. we noah lot about the sun as a star and the gravity is what dominates our sew darr sis solar system and makes our lives the way it does. we can always find out more about the sun as we see more objects encountering it. clearly you are watching this thing. what are you most excited about? what do you expect to see? i am excited because comets give you a rare opportunity to see things moving in the sky. most of the stars and the galaxies and things are so far off that the sky just looks like a status canvas and earth rotates, of course, and be see everything move. but to see something move through our solar system and dynamically change is very exciting. so unfortunately this is an early morning comet. you have to get up at 4:00 a.m. and get out and look toward the constellations, leo and virgo, now to see this comet. you can find maps. it is almost to where you can see it with the naked eye alone. you need binoculars. in a couple days you will be able to see it with the eye and you can go to astronomy.com and find maps that will show you exactly where to look in the sky. let me switch subjects. i son i only have a minute left. the international spacestation was a walk today and they were holding the olympic torch without the flame. i think we have a picture of it. that s pretty neat. that s never happened before. it is a unique thing and it shows the international cooperation of the spacestation. we have the platform and lower orbit that is going around and doing the sign isk it experiments scientific experiments and of course russia and the united states among them. but it will be exciting for that moment when the torch makes it back down to earth and we see it at the olympics next spring. good to see you. thanks so much. that s it for this edition of america s news headquarters. everything becomes new. that was it. i pointed the gun right at her. how could we be seat free? 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talking. this was important to her to make everyone feel welcome. it was considered her classic look. people noticed it. it was a perfect setting for james and dolley madison she sat side by side with james madison helping him. jim moved back to washington d.c. in her elder years and became very much behind the scene in a political field again. as henry clay famously said, everybody loves mrs. madison. her equally famous response. dolley madison came to her service as first lady with experience during thomas jefferson s two terms. the president often called her called on her to assist him. this sense of the usefulness of diplomacy all-out dali to hit the ball running. she assumed the role in 89 as her husband james madison became the president. welcome. we will learn about the intriguing dolly madison. we have two guests at our table. let me introduce you to them. an author and biographer of dolly madison dolley madison. thank you for being here. our other guest was the creator of the first lady s exhibit at the smithsonian. thank you for being here tonight. it is a pleasure. any 21st century woman who starts to read about dolley madison can see parallels to their own lives. was she ahead of her time? a modern person in the early 1800 s s or not? that is the paradox. she was raised in a certain culture. she starts adapting in a way that paved the way for modernity. she also creates the first lady role that we have come to know. every modern first lady she opened the door for a lot of women. we are trying to show the parallels among them, how they handle things. i think in our first segment about martha washington, you saw martha as the person who protected the aspect of the role, the social partners to the president, and a hope to the nation. when you get to abigail, she becomes a political partner with her husband and pioneers that role. dolley is the one that brings the two of them together. she becomes the social and political partner for her husband. i think that sets all kinds of precedents for the future first lady. she is still held up as a standard by which other people measure themselves today. we will spend the first 35 minutes on those important white house years. it was such an interesting time for the country and we want to make sure you understand the history of it. we will learn how this young quaker woman became an internationally known first lady and we will end up with her legacy. we welcome your participation. throughout the program, we will have phone lines open. you can send us a tweet and use the cash tax #firstladies. there are people wanting to know about martha jefferson. they are thinking, what happened. we talked about dolly madison s role. what happened to martha jefferson? she and jefferson were married for 10 years. she died in childbirth. she was a little or when she moved into the white house. she needed what someone to oversee these parties when both sexes were pleasant. it was thought to be unseemly. she he would ask dolley madison. she did not he did not entertain very much. he entertained in a private way. he did not have large entertainments like washington or atoms or the madison spirit the capital was getting used to that. i think there was criticism. because he did not invite the women as often as he did the man. he preferred to have a lot of mail company and conduct actual political conversations. he also did away with all kinds of rank and protocol. he wanted everyone to be crude to be treated as equal. it was allat was what th about. james madison and thomas jefferson were very close political allies. it is natural when jefferson is elected. i want to say something about jefferson s social program. it is not an accident. he was interested in securing his own political power. he had dinner parties with men of one party or the other. he would rally the supporters. then there would be a dinner party with the opposition. that was all about keeping an eye on the enemy. the idea brought up about the lack of women, which was why her role in the jefferson administration is not the big story of that time, he had seen when and women at social events. he was horrified and shocked, especially about their political power. it fell outside the official power. he cut off all the events and the white house was open only fourth of july and new year s day. that was partly because he wanted to curtail the power of women. there was something else going on. that was dolley madison setting up the connection of networked she would bring to the white house. during the first year, the center of social and political life was not the white house, but that house. here are a few bullet points about the country in 1810. the population at that point was 7.2 million. 36% growth since the census 10 years earlier. last week, it was a 35% growth. this country is booming. bursting at the seams. of those 16 of those, 16% were slaved. slaves. what was the time like and how important was dolley in helping navigate those times for her husband? the first story of two was the union. the early republic, there was a great anxiety. no one was sure this union would hold. people at the time would refer to the united states in the plural. they would say, the united states of america are. it was not holding quite together. there was a fear it was holding a part. debjames madison s primary political goal was unity. if you keep that in mind as we go on tonight, dolly madison s work will become understandable. the second thing i would like to say is that we know the end of the story. we know this nation will be a strong nation state with a democracy and a two-party system and a strong presence. that was none of the things the founders had intended. we look back and see that time as a time of growing pains. they did not know how this would end. madison was the perfect person to help the nation ease into what it would be. serving as the chief executive of the nation, he brought the real concept of how he wanted the role to be carried out. how did he approach it and how did she help him? he was the idea guy. he was very theoretical. he and other members of the founding generation understood unity as a concept. it was their number 1 job. how do you do it? how do you bring forth unity? what dolley madison did is take that concept and translate them into action. she is an acting unity on to the national stage. how? the first thing somebody alluded to in the beginning, she brought people together. every wednesday night, it does not matter if you are the vice president, there will be a drawing room. she put people in the room together. that sounds nice. this is about more than just nice. the early republic is a time of survival. the feeling of this union is exacerbated in washington because the all the reason all the regionalisms come together. these are people who did not just disagree with each other, but they dueled and fought each other industries and on the floors of congress. that is why bringing people together can treating each other as humans is not just lovely, but crucial. this concept is exactly the kinds of things martha washington and abigail adams used. it is very different from what they had done. theirs is extremely formal. dolly s was much more open. you have everybody in dolly s drawing room able to have access to the chief executive and his lady. that is very important for forging a unity in the united states. also, dolly creates, she starts out as the wife of the secretary of state. what she is doing is forging a social network on which politics and diplomacy could be conducted in a civilized manner through the ceremonial forms of dinners, receptions, parties, and so forth. some of these tensions and animosities that played themselves out in the halls of congress had a way of being resolved at parties. in an amicable way. she is really forging new networks that will work for both politics and society. this concept you write about in several books, the subtitle is, the creation of the american nation. you read about the fact that women of the class understood as their power to be able to use social skills to build the nation. the founders understood the american revolution was more than a political revolution they were going to build the world. that meant everything was under consideration. they were going to score and everything of the old world. king s and markey and courts. they turn to the women, and this is a political theory. it says that, in a culture, laws can come and go. what they call manners stay. manners are the way people treat each other and how they regard each other and how they behave. this is very appealing to the new americans. one thing they are inventing, a whole bunch of laws they are not sure people would buy. they needed people to behave. the phrase they used was republican virtue. that meant people would put the interests of the country before themselves. how do you get people to do that? they looked at people they looked to the women of the class to start enforcing national matters. these white women of the cities were very conscious of that. here are the phone lines. if you live in the eastern or central time zones, our number is 202, 585, 380. please dial carefully. we will take calls and another 10 minutes. this is a facebook question. i will turn to you has a long time curator of first ladies. the early first ladies for excellence riders. in what conditions are early letters? we saw thousands of letters last week. but what about dolley madison? what did she preserved? did she have a sense of her legacy. ? i think she did. she is writing to her sister as the british were coming. she is telling her sister what she is doing. so there will be something to put in the history books. she wants it known she is saving the documents, the important pieces of silver, the portrait of george washington, but she is writing has everything is being packed to go off to virginia for safety. she is aware of what she is doing. she writes a number of letters to her family members. i want to weigh in. we know as historians, this is the heart of what we do. for a long while, to find the actual letters, it is really hard to do. at the university of virginia, they began collecting her papers and published them in a lovely book. but there is now a web master of because dolley madison of dolley madison, so these are the papers that are really crucial. mary writes about her aunt. a lot of those stories, which must have come from dolley herself, later in her life, she is getting a sense of legacy. she cannot intrude upon the public notice as a man would, but she gave her these memoirs, which have now been published for the first time. people can read those. we have a video to show you struck the night. the place is important to dolly madison dolley madison. let s watch. the portrait of dolley madison hangs in the red room. red fabrics complemented the fabric in her chair. she is an inspiration for that room. the room was in fact yellow under dolley madison. the red color was introduced in 1820 s and 1830 s. the furniture of the time is in that room. it would have been that style in her lifetime. two of the most interesting in the room are the bust of martin van buren, and the portrait of his daughter in law. and the fat that dolley madison is connected to that store years later. when president van buren was inaugurated, president madison had died the year before and she had moved back to washington. president van buren was a widower. dolley madison basically introduced angelica to her husband to be, the president s eldest son. she became the hostess for the white house. largely as a result of dolly madison doing matchmaking. what condition was the white house? washington d.c. was a very muddy place. abigail had written home it was a very dirty hall of a place she had ever been in her life. the houses were separated far apart. it is not like we think of it today. it is very rudimentary. part of what she is doing is building a social network amongst the women so that a lot of this is overlooked for politics and diplomacy and fashion. it can carry people over the fact we are not living in a fantastic capital of the world. questions. did they get along? yes. she was there. this is one of the stories her niece said when james madison was courting dolley, martha washington confronted her and asked if it was true what they say. she said, i think it is wonderful. what is interesting about abigail is there is one letter in which she writes asking for a favor of dolly madison dolley madison and now we know they probably did not meet. to give a job to a relative. sometimes you study women s history. the big answer for me is we learn things we would not know otherwise. you look at dolly madison. it is a huge network. men will not touch it. it is to royal. it is too corrupt. their wives and daughters are playing the whole time. we have one moment where we have a former first lady and president s wife asking another for patronage. that was part of what was thought was what was thought of as a first lady s role at the time. who were some of her biggest congressional allies of the time? henry is the famous one. the reason we know about him, it gives you a glimpse of behind the curtain and how politics works. leading up to the war of 1812, james madison was not sure he wanted to go to work. he was so secretive about it, scholars disagree. he had to walk a fine line. he needed allies. he had dolley do it. he had famous stories. we have to look at these things as a form of political analysis. when the people of the time were looking at that, they were not just saying look at dolley madison with henry. they were trying to read the energy. she courted people on both sides of the aisle. that was a good thing about her. people knew there was something up in the air. our website is a very robust site with a lot of videos about each of these women. there will be a special feature each week you can see only on the web. if you go there tonight, you can see how dolly dolley madison s snuffbox. she was addicted. this is one of the modern concepts. the women patriots new how to use their own power for the sake of our young country. wives wishing to please their husbands. i think these women were very aware of their place in history. you know you are centrally positioned to influence aspects of politics. i think they probably would never have used the term feminism or feminist, but i think i knew it i think they exactly what they were doing. the first question comes from scotty in tennessee. are you there? i am calling in the show for the first time. welcome to recurrence thank you. wellcome. thank you. welcome. thank you. did she know anything about the affair he had? the big story for her is not helping thomas jefferson as a hostess. we do not know anything much about dolley madison. there is a story i read about paul jennings, james madison s body servant. the first person to write a white house memoirs. he was a slave. there was a story that dolly madison asked henry, name one of her sons after james madison. she does not get the gift. a related question for michael. what was dolley madison s opinion of thomas jefferson and did the madisons ever visit monticello? i think they visited back and forth. they were good friends and knew each other for many years. maybe you have more information on that. is a little ways. when we talk about retirement years, the few times james madison leaves his beloved is to visit thomas jefferson. i would say we do not know the true opinion of a lot of people because she was very cautious. thomas jefferson seemed to love her, even though she is conducting a social circle under his nose and nobody hated like thomas ever since. the fact that he adored dolly dolley speaks volumes about her. catherine is up next. thank you for taking my call. i know that dolley madison was raised a quaker and her first husband was a quicker. quaker. she left it and married james madison. i read stories about her father freed slaves and testimony to the catalyst of slavery. i was wondering, how do you think her upbringing influenced her as a first lady. i will cut to the chase. we do not know enough about her childhood. my theory on this is one of the central tenets of quakerism is to regard people as and god. that is why they do not use titles. dolley became famous for being empathetic and warm. i think that comes from her quakerness. she was able to take on and do so well in this role was because quakers believed men and women were equal. you do not get any sense of her being lesser them. she fits right in and does her thing. the first white house allocated a salary. was it still that much at the time? i do not know. most presume it was. it was about $1.10 million today. that is a lot. who paid for all the social functions? did they have to pay out of their own salaries for all the events we are talking about? yes. this was the time that was part of the deal going into public service. this is why rich white men were to take it on. a lot of it came out of pocket. the medicines were not the first presidential couple to leave much poorer than when they came in. there was quite a hefty amount given to her to redo the mansion, which she did very well and spend the money very well. a furnishing budget. the previous occupants had brought their own furniture in many instances. when they left the presidency, they took it home from them. jefferson is one of those who did that. when washington was in new york and philadelphia. this was the thing dolly wanted to do dolley wanted to do because she thought it needed a stately, elegant look. they took the decorating very seriously and wanted to make it look as if it could be on somewhat equal terms with the power of europe so they could conduct diplomatic negotiations in a proper setting. it sounds to me, there is a constant push and pull between wanting to people wanting to be seen as equal. a real dichotomy. it is one of the reasons we look at women, as well. you have the revolution and the fight against everything it stands for, but now you have the nation. legitimacy and authority? the only power they have is loyalty. we have strange moments and they go back and forth. the women of these families took it on. martha washington is lady washington. james madison is mr. president. dolley is clean dolley beginning queen dolley. that is one of the messages she is sending out the women at that time understood a lot of the beginning of that is predicated on loyalty. a lot of people called her president. who called her queen dolley? a lot of people. queen.just a clea me she looked every inch a queen. she bought a lot of her materials in paris. she is very elegantly dressed. she looks to american eyes as a queen. that is fine. she is not the head of state. she is walking a very fine line where she expresses the finer things to which the nation aspires. she is not royalty. she is always walking a very fine line down the middle. you provided a wonderful segue to our next video. the restored home of the madisons and open for tours. put it on your list if you ever get to virginia. they have a display that talks about her dresses. we will show you that now. most of the dresses we have at the visitor s center are based on descriptions we have of the way she dressed. one dress we own is a real creation of something we still have. this is typical of the style of the day. classical lines. it was much more simple and elegant than the thatcher beef fashion before or after. this is the style she would have worn while she was first lady. many of the dresses were more elegant. this represents what she wore at her and not real. this was james madison s first inaugural. she wore a simple but velvet. she wore pearls. that was something more classically elegant but less ostentatious than the diamonds you would normally find in the courts of europe. she was setting a style unique to american fashion. a lot of people think she set the fashion of the turban. that is not quite true. it began in persia and moved to france and england. but she popularized the style. that was considered her classic look, to wear an extravagant turban with fetters on her head. people notice it. sometimes, they thought her fashion was a little too regal. there was one instance where she wore something with edging in her turban. people said this was overstepping things. she looked to wriggle into queenly. they were afraid queen dolley was setting the wrong tone. toward the end of her life, she wore many of the fashions she wore in her earlier day. some of this may have been to evoke that american founding. she was the last living matriarch of the generation. some of it was because of the growing she did not have the money to where the latest fashions. she had to where many of her own clothes old clothes. she had several paintings made of her final days. she is often wearing the same thing. one other thing we should mention is for her time, she was quite tall. she was. she was 57 5 foot 7 inches. i have an image of the two of them standing next to each other. dolley in her turbans and james madison in the style of the revolution. it does not work. it became politicized a lot of the criticism toward the madisons focused on james madison. this was a time where political authority was mailed. thomas jefferson, big and tall. washington was described as a halt. and then this little tiny guy. he probably had his press secretary coming out, saying he is 5 foot 6 inches. he is not. size mattered. her heights and good health led to rumors of her sexuality. the reasons she never had children was she was literally burning up. you realize things were quite serious. she was also during the campaign accused of having an affair with jefferson because she had been his hostess on various occasions. they extrapolated into a personal affair. were able to put that to rest? i think they were. he would not have been able to be elected. a question about her approach to this. the way that she dressed. was this a constant conscious decision to stand apart as opposed to personal taste or vanity? she was creating a brand. yes. you have to look at the context. this is a new nation. we know it is very fragile. there is not a lot of bureaucracy or structure. that was delivered. there was not a lot of structure. people focus on personalities and on the figure of the person. we have all the descriptions of george washington. they talk about his grandeur and all this stuff. it seems like george washington is posing for statues. in the republic, it became descriptions of her on the move. it was a form of political analysis. she deliberately created this. she is not wearing what an actual queen would wear, but would wear an adaptation. she put that on her turban to make for even taller. how would americans react to this? the newspapers had reports with descriptions of what she was wearing? and how did it was. were they proud? i think they were mostly proud. the federalists were a little put off by this. they thought it was a little too regal and court like. but there was a lot of discussion about creating a republican court. that is a group of people who headed up government but with the idea of having a republic instead of a monarchy. that is part of what she was doing. one of the things that is ingenious about dolley is she takes european influences and filters them through a democratic lands. they give you something to aspire to as a new nation and how elliot and wonderful it can be. but you do not offend people who dislike the courts and the royalty of europe. she had a parrot? yes. apparently it was a terror and would attack people. she played her own part in this last moment when everybody throughout the white house, there is a white french servant, and he takes the bird over to the house where she lived long enough to make it where somebody is the victim of a nighthawk. maybe some people in washington secretly cheered. [laughter] it is time to talk about the important decision to go to war with great britain. and the eventual seizure of the capital city, which happened in 1814. there is a dramatic story about dolley madison being in the white house alone and the approaching british troops. we will start with you about telling us that story. the background of all of this is they had been gone for a couple of years. there were rumors around the city that the capitals were the target. the washington city had an inferiority complex. the man in charge would say, they are never coming to washington. baltimore is the place. some of the british did march on washington city. that is not prepared. she is alone in the white house. the day before the last day of the white house, august 24, 1814. she is waiting for her husband to come home while she is preparing for the worst. she is writing this letter for her sister and running up to the roof looking for a husband. she is observing how badly the battle is going. she is also packing things, silver, which she considers the people s possessions, and she sends them away in carts. finally, the work comes and it is time to go. the british were coming. how endangered was she? if she waited any longer, she might have been captured. that would have been a huge prize of war. she knew she had to leave. she wanted to wait for her husband to come home, and then they reunited a couple of days later. she had the tables set for dinner and the british came in and thought that was wonderful. but she saved the portrait of washington, which was one of the things that endeared her to the entire nation, a portrait. she knew exactly what she was doing. writing about it, she knew what her place in history was going to be. are you worried about the fact that this is symbolic because it was a copy of a painting? she understood the british could not be seen burning. a historian is trying to decide whether she was symbolic as they say. the admiral framed all of his threats towards washington. he was going to come and dine at madison s table. he was going to parade her to the streets. he was not attacking james madison with rhetoric, but her. when he got to the white house and she was not there, he took things of hers because he said he wanted to recall her seat. the dinner party was interesting, too. it seems odd to have a dinner party one washington was an exodus. she was trying to hold the capital together even as it was falling apart. she intended to have a dinner party that day. she wrote this. i must leave this house. > there was a great deal of conversation about should the capital still remain in washington, which was now destroyed? or should they move the capital back to philadelphia? the octagon house was only a few blocks away. they immediately began to entertain. in a grand style. this really sent a signal to diplomats in washington and congress and the people, that they were not going to turn tail and run, but stay in the capital. next, we will visit that house. this is very important for dolly madison s political career as first lady. the octagon is two two blocks from the white house. it was a natural fit as they tried to resume government as quickly as possible. the majestic, elegant, spacious house was the perfect setting for the events that dolly needed to orchestrate and manage in the life of the president. this is why the house is known as the octagon. it was a round room very popular in those days. this was an important room to welcome guests. it is a round room. when you are in this room, no matter where you stand, you are equal. this was very important for dolly to make everybody feel welcome. enemies or allies. the room is a good example of why this house was so good for dolly. but dolley. she was known for her wednesday drawing room event. they had 300 people before the were coming. during the war, up to 500 people coming. the room could only said about 5200 people. it s still serve the the very important purpose. the country was still at war when the medicines were here. dolly was playing an important role. she often had different people here, and poured members of congress would be seated at the table. many discussions took place in this room while she was the hostess. it was important to maintain a sense of decorum for the president and first lady. the business was going to go on and the united states would survive and continue continue. we have on facebook a question about whether or not she liked to mix people of various social classis at these events. that was part of what in deer herd to people, that she had access to just about anyone who was well-dressed were properly addressed, in other words, you do not have to be elegant or rich. if you are properly dressed, you could have access to the family. there was discussion about boots. for some people, she is way too regal and too much. four other people, they look at this democratic reaching out and they are suspicious of it. they expressed their reservations are around the issue of boots. a gentleman would never come on a carpet with boots on. washington was a different place at the time. she welcome congressman from different areas. they pointed to that as a sign of her dangerous tendencies. this is a specific question of local history. is it true she escaped the war on what is now madison boulevard? i do not know. he goes to bellevue, now the house you can go and visit. then they do go across the room and she spends the time at the plantation. she ends at the house still standing now. i think the road probably reflects that. was sheesh was she say when she crossed the river? she was. i was lucky enough to go there. she could see washington burn. barbara in new york city is up next. independent. could either of your guests speak to a story i read about that she stopped at a store in baltimore owned by a black woman and that it was there that she first tasted ice cream and she loved it and she served in very frequently at her social gatherings after that. do either of your guests know anything about that? ice cream and dolley madison became synonymous later on in 20th-century america. i do not know the accuracy of that particular story. i think jefferson was the president bringing ice-cream bract back from france. ghali served in the white house. where she found it, i do not know. is a serious import. the story is not true probably. it is the association people tell me, she invented ice cream. she did not. what happens is, almost immediately after her death, she became closely associated as a symbol of american womanhood. her name and image get coopted by everything to ice cream hairpins, a sexy brand of cigars. she becomes a brand so quickly that the association becomes one of those things that people think she invented it. it goes to how important she was and how people wanted to attach whatever their product was to her name and that would recommend it. she foreshadows what francis does in the late 19th century, where francis s face and name are plastered on all kinds of products for sale. today, the white house has how has the white house approach that? louis and washington d.c., welcome. a fascinating program. i have enjoyed being on with you before myself. no question she was extraordinarily courageous. here she is, not just worried about getting out herself, but do we know did she ride when she took those valuables? one of the drawings shows her and walking. how did she get away and where did she crossed to get into virginia? why do i get the geography questions? i will say this. she said all these papers, including james madison s notes. she takes them previous to that. at the last minute, she decided on a paint creek painting. there is evidence on a painting. there is evidence she got her servant to wrestle it off-the- wall and she gave it to two gentlemen from the york who put it in a car and took it away. something would survive and she herself is taken away by carriage. i do not know where she crossed. john is in new york. thank you for taking my call i understand dolley madison died in poverty. i was wondering if that is true and how that happened. i know elisa had lived from the corner. i was wondering if they had ever enacted. thank you very much. how far into american history was it? a while. what they had was what they lived on when they retired. if you are wealthy enough to get into politics in the first place, you would be able to support yourself afterwards. dolly had a son from her first marriage. he ran through their estate. he ran up enormous debts and ended up in prison twice. each time james and dolley would bail him out. she put him in charge and that was a disaster. she ended up losing and living in poverty. was she not a good judge of character? one of the great political guess she brought to a very contentious time in politics, it was a refusal to contend. she did not fight. it is not great when you have a son being spoiled. this was her blind spot. all of that would not work with him. i want to answer the question about elisa. they did know each other. in 1848, when they laid the cornerstone for the washington monument, the sponsors decided to bring the relics of the republic. widows were called relics. they invited by dolley madison and hamilton. these women were representatives of the time. we have about 35 minutes left in our portrait. it is time to answer the question, who was this woman who became internationally famous and what we re roots? we visited her house in philadelphia where she lived as a quaker. we will show you that now. this is her house in philadelphia. here, she becomes wife, mother, and a widow. this room was a kitchen of the house. you would probably find her with her two sisters. she would often have her younger sister living here with her. as quakers, they did not believe in slavery. her husband gave free legal advice to the abolitionists society here. this is a dining room. this room was a multiuse room. the family dined here but they also use it for educational purposes. they believe both men and women should be educated. on the table, there are books here for educating sisters and her son. in august of 1793, a french ship arrived in philadelphia it was carrying passengers suffering from yellow fever. anyone who had money sent their family outside the city and the success for successful lawyer did that. he will die of yellow fever on october 24, 1793. the same day john dies of yellow baby will die, as well. not only did she lost her husband and protector, but also, she has the community watching her. she has a gentleman who are interested for months. even as she walked down the street, all the men we re stopping to stare at her. the quakers watched her closely. her friends warned her she needs to be aware they are watching her and she needs to be right by her son. this property is partly his property, too, even though he s only a few years old at the time. dolly has to contend with the scrutiny of the community and have to go to court to petition them to be the guardian of her own son because that was the situation. even though her husband had made her the executor widow, her brother-in-law has kept the property so she has to hire a lawyer to protect her interests and her own brother-in-law. this is on the second floor of the house. this is where you would entertain your friends. one of the men interested in meeting her was james madison. he was a congressman here in capital city. philadelphia was the contemporary capital of the united states at the time. was an exciting place to be. aaron had been living in her mother s boarding house. it is aaron burr who let s turn now james madison which is to meet her. james madison would meet dolly in this parlor for the first meeting. they expected at least a year of morning before they get married again. it really raised eyebrows in the community that she was married within less than a year. she was very scrutinized by the quakers for that. the fact that he is not a quaker is she would be put out of the community, as well. that video gave us a broad overview of the biography. let s fill in a few of the blanks. that s a little bit of a family scanledle. she want to be virginia born panned bread. her mother s folks are from virginia and probably her father s as well. john querts to quakerism and they go off and live in north carolina in a quaker communalt. as far as we know dolly was born there so she is north carolina s only first lady. what is sad about that she spends most of her life denying it. we think it has to do with her father s shadey business practices and they move back to virginia. so she s raced in the world of chattle slave holding. her father released his slaves as a quaker. is that the cause of his inability to continue his business sm i think he had other problems besides that. he couldn t farm so they moved to that chilly northern city of philadelphia. i m not sure if you know so much about her thoughts of slavery. how is it that she reconciled herself to actually having slaves in the white house? i think that s a good question. i m not sure i know the answer to that. but she did not free any of her slaves as her father had. and she didn t speak out against slavery so the quaker background there did not effect her slave holding. this is why his toirns have a hard job. it s a real dichotomy. her father freesslaves and go to philadelphia. for ten years things are terrible for the pains in philadelphia. children die. her mother has to open up a boarding house. she s pushed into mayoring john todd. she has two children, one of them dies. then she s this beautiful 25-year-old widow. and you could argue she could have had her pick of any man but she picks james madison. turns out to be a great pick. but why does she do that? it s one of those moments she said i could go back to the world i lived in but we don t have anything from her at the. what we do know is by the time she s a woman in middle age and old she has exactly the same kind of attitude toward enslaved americans that southerners had which is the inability to understand them as hunalschfment james madison dies and doesn t freeway slaves, everyone begins to blame dolly. part of that is fine because she starts selling slaves as soon as she can. what about her quaker roots affected the kind of woman she became if this aspect did not i think we re back to the empathy thing. the peacemaking. the idea you don t make war. do we know if she counseled her husband against going to war since quakers don t believe in fighting wars. we don t know. if you read her letters she s as partisan as anybody. she has the white house defensiveness. i think she probably supported him 100% in what he decided to do but her own nature was always to conciliate. how did doll li feel about women s education? what we know about her was she was a very well educated woman for her day, any class. we re not sure how she got there because she was a southerner and southerners did not educate their girls. we know from her handwriting that she was very well educated. she never had a daughter so we don t know what she would have done but i m sure she would have given her daughter a good education. the quakers tpwhreaved educating women as well as men so she benefited from that. she takes that background with her into the first ladies role. what qualities did she see in james madison when he was so much her opposite? well, i think on sits attract many times. i think she was very impressed with his intellect understand private he was thought to be very amusing and very entertaining. and so i think that s the side of him that she saw while they were courting. and it s interesting that aaron burr provided the link between the two. you get the sense of these people who were part of the american cannon were a small community. it s a small world. and james madison fell in love with her and was very romantic. he was in his mid 40 s and had never married which was odd. marriage is a very pragmatic business in this age and love isn t necessarily part of it. so dolly s approach to the marriage was pragmatic. he would be a protector of her son. as the marriage went on she fell deeply in love with james. marriage was a pragmatic business and she had a son to protect and property to be managed. and someone who would do that honestly and well. and had a reputation for running his own family plantation in virginia. rick is up next in kansas. hello. good evening. you ladies are good. thanks, rick. two questions if you would. first, did ms. madison travel abroad, if , so when and who did she visit? and among modern time first ladies who might she compare with? did dolley madison travel abroad? i don t think she ever travel add broad. diplomats were amazed by that because she was so converse nt and she was a diplomatic wife so they did marvel that she had that quality. and how did she get her knowledge of french fashions for example? if you were dolley madison, you could not go anywhere whether it was a city in america or france without having to shop for her. also very early on she became the patriot jay of the french minister s wife and she schooled her as well. she hired a master of ceremonies in the white house who was french and familiar with all of the diplomatic nice tiss shall we say so that he would explain to her what kind of food was served and what the frefrpbl taste was and what french qui sin was about so she had a number of people who helped school her in this type of thing. the white house staff is large d all of this come from the money that they were paid or from their personal wealth, all these extra staff and advisors that you talk about? probably most of them did. for instance, one of the things she hired as they called him french john away from the minister from great britain which was a huge slap tofment hire somebody away from somebody else s household particularly when that person was in the diplomatic community was an insult on the one hand or a great coo on the other. and she was able to do that. a lot of resources went to creating the out fits. she got the bills and she was like don t tell my husband. between buying the stuff and paying the duties on it, it was quite a lot. i wanted to ask you about the maryland component of this fleing of the white house during the war. my understanding is that there is a house in brookville maryland that is dalled white house for a day and my understanding is that madison arrived at that house and conducted business from there and i wondered whether dolley madison was part of that or whether there was some kind of a transition from virginia to maryland? i do not know the answer to that question. that gives us another stop in this. stump the panel. another place to check out, the white house for a day you tell us about. i was going to go back and answer or give my opinion about the second part of the question was who would she compare to in the present. and i would say jacqueline kennedy. i think she looked at imagining her husband s administration and recreating the white house for the stage for diplomacy through her renovation of the white house in the same way dolly looked at the white house as a stage and imagined her husband s presidency. so i see a lot of comparable activity and things that she was trying to achieve as was jacqueline kennedy. and jacqueline kennedy referenced dolly. she was a fan and definitely referenced her in the re dog of the white house. and she had to love the french furniture. with regard to the renovation of the white house, if you go to the white house today, can you see evidence of the torching by the british? there are places in the basement where you can see burned tim bers. i know when they did the restoration of the white house, they found a lot of charred wood and charred bricks and so forth that were taken out and saved as memnants from the fire. we re showing some pictures of some of the charring right now. you can see it on the trim of the balcony too. laura bush told me president bush showed the prime minister. how complete it was destruction? pretty complete inside. how long did it take to rebuild it? the mad sons didn t move back in. it wasn t until the monroe s administration that they were able to move back in the white house so i would say a couple of years. about 18 minutes and it s time to move. a complex part of our history and long life to the retirement after the madison administration. james and dolly return to their beloved mont pillier in virginia and we re going to visit that place next. if you were a visitor you would enter here and be shown into the madison s great drawing room. mrs. madison had many lady friends she would invite here. the daughters of thomas jefferson were also frequent visitors. her most intimate circle included her families, her sisters especially were always welcome guests as well as many nieces she had who often stayed for extended visits here. the drawing room combined many different themes into one. you see many of the faces of the great american statesman, but you see figures of classical antiquity. you have a reproduction of the deck lation of independence. have you a minute chure of homer, the writer of the great epics of grease. then you have a painting of pan and youths. this was 200 years old when they purchased it. in the way of blending the classical and american they were trying to place the events in world history. this is a room where all the guests would assemble before dinner and have a chance to meet one another and converse socially and kassly and then they might be invited to dipe in the dining room. after supper the ladies would ajourn back into the drawing room and maybe play a game and be served coffee and tea. this was a social center of the house. if you were a part of the intimate circle of friend you would be invited into the dining room from the drawing room. here dolley madison in an unusual setting for the period would is it at the head of the table and her husband would is it at the middle of the table. dolly would direct the conversation and james could engage in conversation with the people to his right or left. this table today is set for eight people but there could be as many people as 20 served in the dining room. that would not be unusual. she considered dining here to be more relaxing than entertaining in washington. she was less worried serving 100 people here than 20 in washington. many important figures would be seated with them. thomas jefferson was frequently here. james monroe was here. henry clay. margaret smith. once while mrs. madison was serving at the head of the table the vice president aoffered to do the honors for her and she responded oh no, watch with what ease i do it. and he had to admit she did it with unparalleled ease. and looking at their life when they returned there, how was it compared to when they lived in the white house? i think they were besieged by people who wanted to associate themselves with the mad sons. many visitors in addition to political visitors in addition to family and friend. sort of like the washingtons and the eversons. everybody wanted to meet the great percentages. so they had people in the house with them. not only relatives but many political visitors as well. she was devoted to him and getting his papers together in that role. was she happy doing that? yes, that the point she loved her husband very much. that is where he wanted to stay and so she stayed as well. the descriptions of her at this time trnt same. she s described as content, adam and eve in paradise. she definitely missed washington. she would write and say tell me all the news and she would complain a little bit i haven t been out. keep me up to date and let me know what is happening. for her own self-she probably would have wanted to go back to washington for a visit but james madison was going to stay put. she was 49 years old when she left the white house. he was 17 years her senior. she worked to involve him when he was in the last days of his final illness. before we talk about her years back in washington because she lived until the age of 81 and was very much involved in the august. i have a couple of comments about dolley madison s clothing and fashion and then i have a question. i used to be a dosen at the north carolina historical museum and we happen to have some of her belongings which includes the original of that red velvet dress we saw. also we own a pink silk dress she wore while she was first lady. and what was interesting about that piece of clothing was when we had it conserved by the people of williamsburg virginia. they found that the tiny but tons on the front of the dress were filled with dried peas. so that s what her dress maker did for her with french fashion also as she grew older and her hair became very very thin, she did have some real human hair curls sewed into her turbins and put that on in the morning with her curls showing and she looked younger she thought. the way the greensboro historical museum came into possession of these wonderful items including beautiful silk shoes and carved ivory calling cases is they received it from some folks who brought a trunk at auction that was sort of a hidden treasure. and i want to know what these ladies know about the finding of that trunk that was hidden behind a wall. and i want to say it was in philadelphia. but i want to know how the person that had that hidden behind the wall got those very important things and had them? i ll answer quickly because i want to say this is happening in the 1950 s and 1960 s so not that long ago. the story of ladies historical society found and financesed this deserves a television program of its own. they raised money one chicken dinner at a time paid the sum of $25,000 to get this stuff. is that close to where she was born s. that where the connection was? the ladies felt like she was north carolina s only born first lady. you can go there now and see part of that. dolley madison returns to washington after the death of her beloved james. how does she spend her years here? she become it is grand am of washington society once again. because people know about her poverty but don t want to confront her with it, people in the white house, the tilers invite her to come to dinner on many occasions. the younger first ladies always ask her advice on entertaining and handling large crowd of people. so she becomes sort of an exfirst lady advisor. and that s how she happened to do the match making between angel casingle on the and van buren the son. she s in the mix again and very much a behind the scenes player again. this is not a tragic ending. she manages to live a well known involved life. i think it was lonely without james. eventually she sold. you remember this is her town. she worked for 16 years to build this town and the president s mansion as a symbol. it was under her tenure that the president s mansion got a nickname the white house. she can be credited with the nationalism around the end of the war of 1812. when she comes back to washington it is like the past came to light. she wore many of the same clothes. she was poor. but of coursed the this expect of making her seem like a relic from an rare was that her real name? it was indeed. though again her niece tried to perp pate this idea that she was named dorothy. but she was dolly and trying to figure out why her family tried back to the scandalous rumors about her sex al fair with thomas jefferson and they thought that was too common a name for her but she was dolly and her birth is recorded that way. with or without the e. you see it spelled sometimes without. that s advertising. now the icon. john is in pennsylvania. yes i was wondering if dolley madison s first husband john todd was related to abraham lincoln s wife mayor todd. i have no idea. i m going to say what is important about that is marry todd brooded that about. when mary todd comes to down decade later and dolley madison set the example. mary todd tries to ride on her coat tails. but she does not have dolly s sense of tone. she s tone death when it comes to that. is it true dolly s son from her first marriage gambled away much of her money? that and drippinging. that will do it. yes. did he continue his relationship with his mother in later years? no she did not. your question about dolley madison? i m questioning what s the relationship between ms. madison and ms. polk and harrison. and harrison. i think the polks became friend. people wanted to associate themselves with dolly after she came back to the capitol city and it was cash shea by association so the polks often invited her to dine with them and take part in parties and so forth in the we should tell people about congress awarding her a seat. i call this her iconic phase when she becomes a symbol. she s awarded a seat on the floor of congress with escorts. she s the only woman to do it and for a woman to do it. there is a lot of attention being paid to her and she starts to become a symbol even as she s living. did she avail herself in the debates 234 congress? one of the things she did for other women is that she would go to the debates and go and watch the supreme court argue and that allowed other twoim do that as well. that was a way of bringing the women into a knowledge of what was going on politically so while they were part of this social network that she was setting up in washington, they could also be part of the political networks as well. she would get the women together and they would go up to capitol hill. she called them dove parties. debbie on facebook didn t paul generalings give her money at the end of her life when she was so poor? money and groceries, yes. you spoke about how she was writing a letter to her sister in the midst of evacuating the white house. how did it get posted or did she hold on to it? we only have this letter in her fair hand. so in 1830 s when she s thinking about her legacy. she wants stuff from dolley madison. she s caution. and she mentioned this letter, we don t have the original. we have a caller: which marggret smith reproduces. there is an art cal that suggest that dolly may have at heard the for his sake. that s a good pr move. pam, you re our last caller. i wanted to ask whether dolley madison had any kind of relationship with james monroe s wife who i know travelled in europe and i believe was born in england and whether she had any grandchildren through her son? thank you very much. that helps us set the stage for a future conversation d. they have a relationship? not terribly much new york city. they knew each other as plantation owners in the same area but they were not friendly and there were no children. we would say no legitimate issue as they would say. as we close here, here is a quote from dolley madison, we all have a hand in the formation of our own destiny. we must press on that int cat path leading to perfection and happiness by doing all that is good and hand some before we can be taken under the silver wing of that angel. she s important for several reasons which she does set the role of first lady. for his torns we look at her and she let s us know the role of ar stock crasi in this great dem sifment why does this matter? and i think for dolley madison what she s offered suss a model of governance that stresses civilty and empathy. she s modeling this for us.