ed henry has new developments tonight on the g.o.p. versus the fbi. plus, america s rabbi nabbed roseanne barr s first interview since her firing. hello and welcome to fox news at night. i am shannon bream in washington. the government clarifying immigration at a campaign-style rally. democrats call for the agency protecting our borders to be abolished. plus some democrats are working to distance themselves from congresswoman maxine waters call to force out trump officials wherever you spot them including in their private lives. we start with kristin fisher. if the level of instability on both sides is really growing by the day, but the threats against the department of homeland security, especially ice employees have gotten so bad that a departmentwide memo was sent out warning employees to keep their doors and windows locked, and according to abc news, one dhs official even found a burned and decapitated animal on his front porch right here in d.c. protesters camped outside of the ice headquarters in portland, oregon, for over a week and it just got their message amplified thanks to one of the states congressmen. earl blumenauer says it s time to abolish ice, the immigration and customs enforcement agency, and today he introduced a bill to do just that. it reads quote ice is tearing apart families and ripping up the moral fabric of our nation. as of now at least five democratic members of congress are calling for eyes to be abolished, but tonight at a rally, president trump defended the agency. president trump: the democrats don t like i.c.e. these are great, brave, tough people. much tougher than ms-13. they don t like border patrol, police or anybody. today s top border official patrol admits they don t after the bill signed last week the parents cases can be prosecuted once they are separated from their kids. but the white house press secretary is insist this reversal is only temporary. this will only last a short amount of time because we will run out of space and out of resources in order to keep people together and we are asking congress to read provide those resources and do do their job. a president trump automatically backed away from separating families at the border, he is saying that anyone who crosses the border illegally should be sent back to their home country before ever going before an american judge. president trump: we want a system where, where people come in illegally, they have to come out. that s a nice simple system that works. you know, mexico holds people for four hours, five hours, two hours and they are gone. we have people for four, five or six years and they never leave. the flip side to that is of course democrats who say that doing that, turning away undocumented immigrants without due process will be unconstitutional. shannon? shannon: that fight is far from over. in less than a week, to trump officials of been confronted and verbally assaulted while out to dinner with protesters paying a follow-up visit to their homes. a burnt and decapitated animal body wasn t reportedly left at the home of a senior official. and now prominent democrats are calling for confrontations. they are backed up by some of the media, like the washington post jennifer rubin who writes, it is not altogether a bad thing to show those who think they are exempt from personal responsibility that their actions bring scorn, exclusion and rejection. doug mcauley is in washington, and virginia where sarah sanders was asked to leave the red hen restaurant. a generation ago it would have been a gross violation of congressional ethics and simple good manners. maxine waters employer and her constituents to banish administration officials from all public places. if you see anyone from that cabinet in a restaurant, department store, gasoline station, you get out and create a crowd and pushed back on them. tell them they are not welcome anymore, anywhere. a generation ago it would have been unthinkable for a president to respond in kind but president trump fired back at waters today and tweeted, congresswoman maxine water, as come together with nancy pelosi. she has just called for harm to supporters. we give her what you meant wish for, max. members of the congressional hispanic caucus heckled the president in the capitol building. at a congressional intern hurled an f-bomb at mr. trump. the same week homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen was shouted out of a d.c. restaurant by aggressive hecklers. they showed up outside of her townhome, too. florida attorney general pam body had to abandon her night out at the movies this weekend in the face of a similarly confrontational mob. if she wants people to protest, that s one thing. but to continue this, they are inciting violence. and on friday night here at the red hen restaurant, white house press secretary xavier sanders was asked to leave because of her political views. sanders complied and, wilkinson told the washington post, i m not a huge fan of confrontation. but in democracy people have to make a comfortable actions. the house majority leader met today to say the the red hen incident took america into uncharted territory. this is very dangerous, she should apologize to the american public. she did not apologize and mostly blamed donald trump for the rhetorical violence. here in west virginia people have been dropping off flowers and notes of support for the red hen, while their stride by saying, the red hen does not reflect their values. but none of them are speaking to each other. laura: thank you, dog. congresswoman maxine waters denies that she said anything that equates to what she claims the president has says about stirring up violence against the opposition. joining us now, mike huckabee. it s great to have you with us. thanks shannon, great to be here. and for maxine waters to say that she didn t say what we saw her stay on camera tells us a lot about maxine waters right now. laura: it you wrote an interesting piece defending our daughter and talking about what happened this weekend, but you also did say don t go online and vandalize their menu. don t go up and put up a bunch of false yelp reviews. he say you shouldn t seek to the same level. do you agree with that? absolutely. that doesn t gain anything. i think my daughter handled this not only skillfully but i think respectfully and she did it in a classy way. she didn t scream, she didn t but let s keep in mind why she was asked to leave. she wasn t loud or belligerent, she didn t throw food on anyone, she wasn t drunk. she got thrown out because she worked for the president of united states because she was elected by the people of the united states. when you deny a milan person s liberty because you don t like what they say or what they do or what they think, then we all are losing our liberty over that. and that is what ought to be of concern to people. laura: she had some interesting defenders, the washington post and editorial said this isn t the right time or place to be going after people. she should be able to have dinner, talking about her and others. and david axelrod of the obama administration, he came to her defense and said he thought that it was wrong. then today he followed up with this sweet, not good or even effective. but unless and until potus stops regularly insulting opponents and inciting supporters, sanders lacked standing when she lectures others about the need for stability like she did toda today. your response? i like david axelrod. he s a good guy and he and i have enjoyed a nice friendship, but i think he s wrong about this. you have to remember what happened. this a public business and it s not that sarah was asking for something off the menu or something unique. she just wanted to have a quiet dinner with her family and she was asked to leave. frankly if i were running a business i would want to have the people i didn t like and agree with. because i would use that money for things they didn t like. for example, the businesses i have, i want every level to spend as much money with me as they can. i will give it to church and pro-life candidates. i m sure that will drive them nuts but i would never turn my business away because they disagree with me. i think we are getting dangerously close in this country when in the name of open expression we are trying to keep some people from even being able to have an expression. more importantly, just being able to go and have dinner, for heaven sakes. laura: shannon: it s toue a conversation in the midst of this. i m going to put up this tweet. with a picture of people who looked like they were gang members, you talk about the take back of the house. folks are saying it was racist and insee and you are adding to this combusted conversation. how ridiculous. first of all, it was satire. i tell people all the time and i regularly post on my twitter account. if you don t have a sense of humor and you cannot handle satire, please don t follow me. but i want to make this about race. what race was i talking about? criminal gang? people who murdered, and mutilate little children children, that s not a race of people. that is a gang of criminals. there s nothing to defend and i m amazed that there were people out there defending ms-13 and somehow saying that we were nice enough to them. i don t want to be nice, i want them to be out of business. i appreciate the president for wanting to treat them out they are, as criminals, and people who are predators for little children and need to be taken off of our streets. the three always great to see you. thank you, good to be with you. the battle going to a new level tonight with another deadline imposed. chief national correspondent ed henry is here with an update. house republicans like mark meadows everlasting out a victory lap, turning they had turned over a lot of documents. the justice department has only turned over a small fraction of those documents. and g.o.p. leaders have demanded literally millions of documents. nunez saw his deadline for the rest of these documents come and go. he says these documents will raise more questions about how the whole russia collision investigation began and that the official july 2016 timeline for when the russia investigation started conflicts and actually it began it was an fbi agent peter strzok that wrote the memo to open the russian probe. we now know from his text messages wanted to stop donald trump from ever becoming president. the republic wants to focus on the fbi s use of confidential human sources to start probing the trump camp before july of 2016. fbi justice department officials have told congress they believe they have complied with most of the republicans requests and these questions about human sources have been addressed. now adam schiff tonight says, the president s allies continue to seek documents in the pending investigation for the purpose and the use that refusal to undermine molars organization. now the president claimed that just the opposite, tweeting, i have tried to stay uninvolved with the department of justice and fbi although i don t legally have to have to, because now a very discredited and extensive witch hunt is currently going on. but you do have to ask, why are the doj and fbi not giving over requested documents? well nunez says he knows why. he said they are so married to what he called this russia gate fiasco, charging that the democrats and others do not want the public to see that the intel was weaponized against the president. i think the american people are beginning to see what it is that we have been after for a very long time, and that is, is it common or does it ever happened that the counter intelligence agencies are used to target political campaigns? of the doj responded to nunez tonight. many of your request relate to documents and immigration regarding issues surrounding confidential human services that are solely in the custody and control of the fbi. the fbi retains and has the ability to reduce documents in a manner consistent with its obligation to protect confidential sources and methods. the fbi director christopher wray as well as rosenstein are scheduled to testify publicly on the hill thursday as this to fight only because that happens behind closed doors. shannon: president trump responding tonight to democratic senator mark warner who reportedly joked about revealing new information about the russian investigation at a fund-raiser. telling voters to quote buckle up. he claimed he had information that only he and bob mueller, the leader of the 13 angry democrats on the witch hunt, nose. isn t this highly illegal? is it being investigated? senator warner regrets the live. it s great to have you with us tonight by room. so what do you make of that? the democrats have been all over the republicans, they say they have been leaking continuously through these investigations. some say it was an offhand remark but anything that happens to these fund-raisers behind closed doors, and, i think the president zeroed in on the issue here, and is there something that only mark warner and bob mueller know? what about the chairman of the senate intelligence committee, richard burr? should he know that sort of thing? but it does raise that syria question. shannon: i want to talk about this battle that s been going on for months and months, this battle over documents about an informant. we have this letter tonight that the department of justice has sent back to health intel chairman devin nunes and dumb i could do the department of fbi intend to debate the obey the ? we have been responding to the committees, subpoenas and requests. but there was and something else in this letter that caught your attention. the key question to the nunez letter and number last week the fbi responded at 11:10 p.m. on friday. noon i sent him another letter, sunday i said you have to be doing it by 5:00 today so that s his response. nunez said asked, did the fbi s informants against the campaign and if so, how many and how much was spent? if you look at the fbi answer, the fbi says, we have responded to your question. now does that mean they answered the question? does that mean they supply the information or does that mean they responded to it? anyone who has ever filed a freedom of information act request gets a letter back, responding to your request. by the way, we may not answer it but here is your response. so it s not clear what the justice department has actually made public hearing. or what they have given nunez. okay the tough democrat also saying he doesn t think these documents should be turned over. he said basically the republicans want it so they can feed it to the president and he can use it and his team to defend them. we ve been hearing this a lot from democrats saying republicans create oversight. the senate judiciary committee is also looking into this. much of what republicans are calling oversight is really just an effort to help the trump legal team. but there are a lot of issues in which the republicans are saying, this is legitimate oversight. shannon: it s a coequal branch. and congress can get what it wants if it acts in a united way, which is why it was important that paul ryan, speaker of the house, actually got behind a threat to take action against the justice department. if it was just one committee chairman, the justice department would not give them the time of day. speak shannon: and mark meadows is saying it looks like they are going to move forward with a resolution to the floor. there has been a lot of, you know, heated rhetoric back and forth but we will see if they actually get the documents and how far they are willing to go to push that. i think the public concern is they have her in so many times, if they don t do something they will look like they are just not standing up. and people are getting propped on like a patient on that process on both sides. shannon: president trump vers of a rowdy crowd of thousands ahead of election day in south carolina. we have your highlights, next. president trump: we are defending our borders, because if you don t have borders, you don t have a country. shannon: plus, is the liberal rage aimed at a president trump having the opposite effect and forging a closer bond between the president and republicans? our panel debates that next. and later a rabbi is here to tell us about his exclusive interview with roseanne barr expedia s add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. only when you book with expedia. when you barelyonto clip a passing car. minor accident-no big deal, right? wrong. your insurance company is gonna raise your rate after the other car got a scratch so small you coulda fixed it with a pen. maybe you should take that pen and use it 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crammed into a relatively small high school gymnasium, trump updated some of his usual themes including the border wall. president trump: we are defending our borders because if you don t have borders you don t have a country. it s happening. it s not build that wall anymor anymore, it s continue building that wall. about 60 protesters showed up outside but most of them taking issues with the administration policy. but inside it the only protests heard were directed at the media with trump supporters chanting, fake news. the president listed his accomplishments including a road map for peace and leveling the playing field with american partners. president trump: we are doing so well. we are lngillions and millions of americans from welfare, to work. from dependence to independence and poverty to prosperity. trump also recognized the coalition of it once forgotten americans who have now mobilized into a formidable political force. shannon: thank you very much on a rainy night in columbia. partisan outrageous side of the new york times suggests there is a level of unity among republican voters i could help the g.o.p. chances during the terms of keeping control of congress. the headline reads numb to outrage, they feel a deepening bond to trump. fox news contributor of dog shown who is also a former advisor to president bill clinton and fox news contributor charlie hurt who is also an opinion editor for the washington times. so let s talk about what we are dealing with here. this is an interesting piece. an interview across the country over the last few days and dozens of trump voters as well as posters and strategists describe something like a bonding experience with the president that happens each time republicans have to answer a new propped now familiar question, how can you possibly still support this man? these people feel like they were attacked and maligned and disregarded in the press is just repeatedly proving the president to be truthful about these things when they said, they don t care about you. i would say this. it s certainly the case that the court trump supporters, about 75% of the electorate i mean strong and react to attacks by becoming emboldened. the problem that the g.o.p. says is there is more enthusiasm for the democrats, and with the failure of congress to get much done, the democrats have a lead in the generic vote of about seven or eight points and there is an enthusiasm gap which is working now for the democrats. shannon: we have seen some of that in these early races and primaries and special elections, that republicans haven t been worried about turnout. the leftists are very motivated to show up. absolutely, we have never seen this level of enthusiasm. this level of enthusiasm, we seen it in races all over the country. but when you have stuff going on, like maxine waters encouraging these radical leftists to go out and confront administration officials and restaurants and on the streets in their homes, when you have things going on, it might happen in lexington virginia, where serio huckabee sanders is run out of the restaurant where she works for trump. when you have these types of appalling scenes, all of that, i m sure that it makes in social media, when you pull off some stunt like this, you get all this praise on social media. but in terms of mainstream regular independent voters come up when they see this stuff, it turns them off and it runs them into the arms of donald trump. so it s not just republicans lining up behind him in a constructive way, it s those independent voters who, maybe they don t like trump or they don t like everything he says but they sure like him a heck of a lot more than they like of these radical leftists that are making scenes everywhere. went down like a shannon: i want to ask you the same reaction. make no mistake, this is provocative rhetoric. angry in-your-face confrontations dramatically increase the chance for violence, people in close proximity, they likely start to feel that they are in physical danger. quickly, you. david is right. we don t need the kind of rhetoric we are getting from maxine waters and i say that as an american and a patriot. first democrat, and second. i think the democrats would be do better to articulate a different program than confrontation. but they need to compromise on both sides. i d love to see the immigration issue be and sadly getting confrontation. shannon: a final comment from you. that s also something we ve already seen and with all of the congressional baseball practice last year. it would do everyone a lot of good to tone it down a little bit. weaver had a number of democrats stand up and say we don t endorse that rep message. it s been covering for both sides of the aisle to hear that. shannon: is this what they mean by california dreaming? a young woman they are calling permit patty call police on an 8-year-old selling water. we are here to fact-check. and here rosanne s first interview 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she s calling the police on an 8-year-old little girl. you can hide if you want. the world will see you. illegally selling water without a permit. on my property. it s not your property. the video has been shared 8 million times on twitter and instagram and some believe allison at all s behavior smacks of racism. but on the today show, she said it wasn t about race, it was about noise. i said please, i m trying to work and you are screaming and yelling. people have open windows, it s a hot day, keep it down. she said she didn t call police which is true and also apologize about the little girl s mom did not accept the apology. she said she is getting hate mail and death threats and also being parodied by saturday night live cast members and compared to barbecue becky who is the woman who called police on a black man who was grilling where it apparently wasn t allowed. social media called that racism as well. and did you hear the one about the comedian and the house speaker? apparently it wasn t funny. speaker paul ryan and his 13 and 15-year-old sons ran into seth rogen, and said they were fans and wanted an autograph. and seth rogen went on the and said he shut them down. and i said, no way man. and i said furthermore, i hate what you are doing to the country at this moment and i m counting the days until you have no longer one iota of the power you currently have. rogan then told a colbert that it wasn t the fault of ryan s kids but they should assume that if they like a movie or song that the person who made it probably doesn t like their dad. shannon: thank you very much from the left coast. roseanne barr breaks down in tears in her first interview since abc canceled the hit revival of her show after this tweet and that valerie jarrett was viewed as overtly racist. i horribly regret that. are you kidding? i ve lost everything. i regretted it before i lost everything. i said to god, i am willing to accept whatever consequences this brings because i know i have done wrong. shannon: joining us now, america s rabbi and longtime roseanne friend, rabbi shmuley boteach. thanks for being with us tonight. thank you for having me. shannon: she was very emotional, saying she had lost everything. she sounded very remorseful, also and said she knows she will have a price to pay. a lot of people are commenting on the death of stability in america but may be more consequential as the death of forgiveness. here you have a woman who who s quite well known and prepared to show such extreme vulnerability, extreme anguish, emotional brokenness and almost begging to be forgiven for something that she acknowledges was a terrible error, and she has said it over and over and over again. i think it s time that we just allowed her to make restitution and rectification for what she did, because we have to be forgiving people. and it was martin luther king who said she says as her idol in this podcast and says those that are bereft of forgiveness are bereft of love. she talks about how she has african-american children and her family and family members, and that she s not a racist. she said she wasn t thinking of valerie jarrett in those terms and wasn t sure of her race and didn t know her race. what do you think of those explanations? i ve known roseann for almost two decades and i ve never heard her utter one iota of racism or a scintilla of bigotry. we all know that roseann does things with elbows that could upset people but i ve never heard real prejudice or bigotry. if you have to put things in context. what shocks me is, we recorded this about a month ago and we did not release it because i felt she needed to reflect on what she had said was very vulnerable and very vulnerable and she had to be comfortable with it. she finally made the decision that it could be released. and it s made a very big impact because i think the moral courage she showed to take full responsibility and asking people not to defend her, she offers explanations as to what happens but not excuses as to what happened. she said she was wrong and she takes full responsibility and she has paid a huge price. she gained nothing by releasing this interview because her show was already canceled. abc already announced her down like they are replacing her show was something called the connors, she has been written out of the show. so she is keeping the main staying, and she wanted to assert her values that all people are created in the image of god as the book of genesis says in the very first chapter. i know she talks about repentance, remorse and recompense. we ve all probably been there at some point in our lives. we will wait and see if this interview has an impact and how it plays out. rabbi, thank you very much for sharing it with us. i hope that we ll have more heart and more forgiveness. we will all needed at some point. u.s. sanctions are reportedly having a major effect on iran s economy and leading to antigovernment protests in tehran. that story 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alone. they are also calling for 30% pay hikes in line with argentina s soaring inflation rate. three years after a large influx of migrants, and asylum seekers hit european soil, the issue is pitting leaders against each other. italy s new minister has a proposal to him at home the point to end migration flows. the far right interior minister is italy s new populist government made his first trip overseas today and he made it to libya. there he says that he believes that migrants need to be processed or stopped altogether before they even get to libya and not when they are frankly already dangerously adrift in the mainstreaming in singapore arriving on european shores. now many migrants start off journeys in sudan and other african countries to make perilous tracks across africa to libya where smugglers vote, take them to europe. we believe the problems of libya must be solved in libya and not other situations. we support the fact that reception and identification senders must be set 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[shouting] quiet, quiet. that s the democrats law. we can change it tonight. we can change it. you are the president. we need their votes: the democrats- [everyone talking at the same time] chambers of commerce. excuse me, by one vote. we don t need it. you need 60 votes. we have one vote. excuse me, we need a one vote. we have a one vote edge we need 60. we need 10 votes. we can t get them from the democrats. what about executive action. wait. wait. you can t do it through executive action. [everyone talking at the same time] can we do one question at a time? wait, one question at a time. the children, the children can be taken care of quickly, beautifully and immediately. the democrats forced that law upon our nation. i hate it i hate to see separation of parents and children. martha: so we now know there are almost 2,000 of these children and house democratic leader nancy pelosi firing back. she called the president today shameful. watch. he is using dreamers whether they are dreamers or little children at the border now for political purpose. it s shameful. martha: trump supporter franklin graham as well as the catholic bishops are now getting involved in this fight. gratefu disgraceful to see families ripped apart i don t support that one bit. martha: the attorney general widowing down the argument. just as people can t go to jail with their parents when they commit a crime. the same principal is what is happening when they cross illegally. so who is going to win this showdown? trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom to tell us what is really going down and what the history is of all of this law at the border. hey, trace. the wheels of the new immigration legislation began turning late yesterday when republican leaders sir could you a littled copies of the discussion draft. today house majority whip steve scalise was supposed to gauge support from the various proposals until as you saw the president withdrew his support. now the white house says it was a misunderstanding and the president does support the legislation, which appears to include everything he asked for. like $25 billion to build the wall. getting rid of the visa lottery program. that leads to what the white house calls chain migration. allowing 1.8 million daca recipients. also known as dreamers to apply for a path to permanent residency ending the controversial practice they have all been talking about separating families detained at the border. president trump blames families beinged on a law passed by democrats. we don t know of such a law there is a 2008 policy called the alien transfer exit program, which was widely used by the obama administration and resulted in thousands of immigrant families being split up when it comes to public finger pointing there appears to be collective amnesia followed by selective outrage. for example, this week twitter went crazy over aclu report detailing that children of illegal immigrants were, quote: allegedly beaten, threatened with sexual violence, and repeatedly assaulted while in custody one twitter post this is trump s america. wow, are you happy trump fans? this is what you wanted. but apparently they didn t read the aclu report very closely considering the incident allegedly happened between 2009 and 2014. and over the memorial day, former obama speech writer jon favreau tweeted outrage over pictures of immigrant children being held in what looked like dog cages saying this is happening right now. except the pictures are from 2014. bottom line, children of illegal immigrants have been placed in u.s. immigration shelters for decades and it appears everyone is now ready for it to end. martha. martha: here now tammy bruce president of the independent women s voice and fox news contributo contribe father jonathan morris and enrique. when you look at the pictures and history of this law, it has been in place for a very long time. phil i think we can agree family separation is cruel, inhumane and in this case completely unjustifiable. there is no law in our immigration books that says that children can be separated or should be separated from their parents. that s just not the case. right now, what we have a policy implemented by the trump administration zero tolerance that is has resulted in over 1900 kids being separated from their parents. martha: let me ask you this. what do you make of jeff sessions explanation when he says, you know, when a parent commits a crime, the child cannot go to jail with them in order to keep the family together. and they are saying, crossing the border illegally is breaking the law. so when that happens, unfortunately, temporarily while the parents go through the process because they are not going to be caught and released. they have to find safe places to hold these children. have you images of some of those areas. obviously it s a terrible situation for families to be separated. but, you know, when you look at it that way, does that make a sense to you. there is discretion. not putting shoplifters in every case and not separating them. we are not putting possession behind bars in every case and separating them from their children. and they are also breaking the law. there is such a thing as discretion. before zero tolerance implemented that was the case women grant families. we don t need to separate immigrant families and almost 2,000 kids from their parents just to make a point and uses that a deterrent. chief of staff attorney general jeff sessions has said. martha: other thing they said since they became lax in this program it was sort of understood by some people who wanted to get into the country that if you come as a family they will let you through. better way to come and bring your kids and now obviously that s changed. that s one of the problems with the policy for years is that we effectively subsidize this kind of approach that people found out that i if you have a child you will be caught and released. versus not having a child. the new york times reported in april that in fact, people are admitting this families brought children knowing there was a better chance they would get through and be released and others, this is the serious dynamic with unaccompanied minors, and minors in children are people posing as parents. so here we have the outrages overcoming the facts. i will give you an example. three reasons why adults or parents are separated from children. one, they are posing as the parent and they re not the parent. they are a threat to the child. or they are put into criminal proceedings. this is it s not a whole scale. zero tolerance. and so this is also, again, something that was happening throughout the obama regime as well. but it comes down to catch and release. but we have facilitated the parents bring across the border in a way game the system. this is what the president wants to stopped. he stated he wants it stopped. all of us are outraged that we are even in this dynamic and it comes down to an or did hely immigration dynamic and security at the border where we can treat everyone with dignity and people are not encouraged to move into the country in this fashion. martha: let me bring in father jonathan. have you catholic bishops and frankly graham arguing these families need to be held together. catholic bishop argue going anyone is helping to implement this program and is catholic they could potentially be excomiewrn indicated for being part of it. okay. that. was one bishop who actually suggested that i don t think it represents all of them. the fact is that we have 20% more children in this situation separated from their children this year compared too last year. it s a big deal. we have to solve. this we re not that far away from solving it. both president trump as well as the republican and the democrats also this is an outrageous situation. whose fault is it? of course there are people who are faking bringing children over and saying that they are their children that s not. of course there are people breaking the law coming over illegally. all of that is bad. the government has to be bigger than that to say what are we going to do about it? there are children there alone. it s traumatic for them. traumatizing for them. say this not from a theoretical perspective. i live in the south bronx. i see what s happening to these families with these children. i see children who are here without parents. okay. the parents are definitely not perfect and they shouldn t be crossing illegally but the government has to figure out what we are going to do for the sake of these children. martha: what do they do? do they change the law? do they incarcerate families together? enrique, what s the solution? you have the folks who are breaking the law. and there salah there is a border. you are not allowed to cross the border illegally and then you have, i think everyone here in this conversation and outside of it who really understands that this is not an ideal situation. the president made that clear himself. i appreciate the question, martha. we should be focusing on solutions. i think the solution is not separating families. there are very few examples of government using family separation throughout history. we don t wants to be part of that the solution is just not building walls and reducing the legal path for immigrants to come into this country and, again, separating children from their parents. i think the solution has to do with finding the root causes of immigration. having a wider legal path people come here and do the jobs we need them to do. a lot of solutions that weekend, you know, agree on in congress. but extremes taking over the debate and no space for comprehensive immigration. martha: you have a couple of those going to be considered eventually it looks like would allow $25 billion to build the wall as well as a solution to this problem to keep families together. so is that a workable solution? tammy and father jonathan. we definitely want, especially if this dynamic where you can keep a family together within a separate kind of facility so, you don t have to separate them. and then that process is very quick, as a matter of fact, then they become home as a unit. could they go back home to their home country and others want them released here that can be very quick framework. keeping families together once a criminal proceeding is over usually within the same day and then sent home. the other framework, this is how we handle keeping families together while also respecting our laws here at home. martha, we can t forget that there is tremendous amount of hypocrisy over many different administrations. the fact that we have we are right now allowing people to come in, giving them work, no doubt, giving them work and then saying hey, listen, but you can t be full members of our society. because we do not want to do everify system. in our system we do not want to actually find out who is illegal. we can t forget that we are taking advantage and there are children who are growing up right now who have been here in the country for their whole lives or with families who simply, the parents are working but they cannot become full members of our society and it s not helpful. martha: politics don t get in the way of a solution. both sides would really rather not have the other side involved to come up with a solution it seems with this very hot debate. let s see where it goes. thank you very much all of you. great to have you here tonight. so, still to come. former trump campaign chair paul manafort got some very bad news today and tonight, he is behind bars. so, what does this mean going forward? and the president also saying that the ig report exonerated him and proved why he was right to fire james comey. so byron york and victor david hanson with their takes up next. i think what he did was a disgrace. i think he goes down as the worst fbi director in history by far. there s nobody close. how do you like me now now that i m on my way do you still think i m crazy standing here today i couldn t make you love me applebee s 2 for $20, now with steak. now that s eatin good in the neighborhood. but as it grew bigger and bigger,ness. it took a whole lot more. that s why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. everything. and that 2% cash back adds up to thousands of dollars each year. so i can keep growing my business in big leaps! what s in your wallet? attention homeowners age sixty-two and older. one reverse mortgage has a great way for you to live a better retirement. it s called a reverse mortgage. call right now to receive your free information kit with no obligation. it answers questions like. how a reverse mortgage works, how much you qualify for, the ways to receive your money and more. plus, when you call now, you ll get this magnifier with led light absolutely free! when you call the experts at one reverse mortgage today you ll learn the benefits of a government-insured reverse mortgage. it will eliminate your monthly mortgage payments and give you tax-free cash from the equity in your home. and here s the best part. you still own yohome. call now! take control of your retirement today! paul manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. he worked for ron reagan, bob dole. john mccain or his firm did. he worked for me, what, 49 days or something? a very short period of time. i feel badly for some people because they have gone back 12 years to find things about somebody? and i don t think it s right. president trump speaking out on former campaign chairman s slow fall from grace. today in light of new accusations. of witness tampering federal judge ordered paul manafort to be jailed while he waits trial on foreign lobbying charges. as manafort sits in federal custody tonight, the president taking a victory lap in the wake of the doj watchdog scathing report on the clinton probe. may be more importantly than anything, it totally exxonner rates me. james comey was unfair to the people of this country. i think what he did was a disgrace. i think he goes down as the worst fbi director in history. i m amazed that peter strzok is still at the fbi. the ig blew it at the very end. he goes point after pointed about how guilty hillary is and then he said but we re not going to do anything about it. loss to go over here tonight. byron york joins us chief when i will correspondent for th the washington examiner. victor hanson good to have both of you with us tonight. byron, i would like to start with you. paul manafort, i mean it, raises a question, of course, whether or not he is being squeezed. are they putting pressure on him to turn. there is some discussion tonight that michael cohen is getting closer to that as well. well, this is kind of maximum pressure on paul manafort. the mueller team has been very tough with manafort all along. remember that no knock raid where fbi agents served a search warrant breaking into an apartment in alexandria. there has been loot of this with man ford. now putting in jail is pretty much the maximum pressure. all of this is based on the idea that manafort somehow has the smoking gun about donald trump that will prove collusion or something like that. no evidence that he has that certainly hasn t popped up in any other way that we know of in the investigation. martha: victor, what does it signal to you, what they did to manafort today? i think two things, martha. one is that in the united states jerusalem prudence, we go after a crime and the person committed it is incidental. we go after the crime but we have reversed the process we start with him as guilty and find any crime we can to tag him with when the mandate says it was collusion. the second thing is that it raises the disturbing quality under the law issue. because, if pau paul manafort tampered with witnesses and tried to obstruct justices by all means let him suffer the full force of the law. we are looking at ig report where it s pretty clear that loretta lynch met with bill clinton whose wife was the subject of investigation by the doj. they told us they didn t want to release that, it was found out by accident. but they asked us to believe of the 5,000 airports in the united states they just happened by accident to meet at this particular one. martha: i want to put up what rudy giuliani said about the probe today he said the whole thing is over might get cleaned up with presidential pardons, byron. what do you think about that statement. what giuliani is doing is a political case the president is making against mueller. the president is really doing two track defense on one track is the legal case handled by emit flood who we never hear from in public. martha: on the other hand rudy giuliani. exactly and we hear from him a lot. and heard from the president himself. this ig gives him a lot of ammunition because they can say, look, the fbi, the people who are running this investigation were just shot through with anti-trump bias. this whole thing was rigged, which is what the president has been saying all along. martha: you know, the question that the president raises there, victor is, a good one. how does peter strzok still have a job? now that america has looked at all of these text messages, and all of this sentiment, you know, it is remarkable and does it signal that we need really to clean house at the fbi we heard strong words from christopher wray yesterday but what s required to fix the awful situation? i m disappointed in christopher wray because the ig s data maybe wasn t reflected in its conclusions but it was pretty obvious that these fbi people had this disdain for trump whom they were investigating at that time and even the trump voter, which they compare to some pretty horrible things i can t repeat on tv and it s really disturbing because we get the impression that these people are never subject to the consequences of their behavior in a way that other people who are under investigation, you and i would be. so, it s a matter of equality, equal application of the law that there is something i want to get back to one last point. the entire thing is predicated on the premise that hillary clinton would have been what we sees a questionable even illegal behavior, they were under the assumption when they committed that that they would be rewarded for noble service to a noble cause rather than fall under criminal exposure. martha: such a great point, victor. even recognizing that verbally, byron, once you recognize that, the pretense that you are not looking at it through a political lens is gone. it was politicized all the way through. i think one of the fbi agents who actually interviewed hillary clinton said this is july 2nd of 2016. just interviewed the president. so, it was politicized from the beginning all the way through the end. martha: so i mean the question i keep hearing a lot is, does any of this these findings reopen the case for hillary clinton, byron? 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as you mentioned in the interim the coast guard is the smallest of the five services department of homeland security. men and women are absolutely critical to the homeland security of the nation and the national security. you mentioned border security. you know, on the maritime front, we tend to push and try to push our borders as far away from the u.s. coast line as possible against transnational criminals. last year we were with partner agencies and international partners stem 491,000 pounds of cocaine kept that from american shores. that s the same illicit narcotics that fuels the immigration from hu honduras, guatemala el salvador. show up at our southwest border. martha: you are very busy. in terms of the north part of the globe and to the south, too. the ice cutters that you need to function. tell me a little bit about what you need that perhaps you don t have and we will look at the action of these ice cutters on the screen how do we pressure up with what other countries have for this capability? absolutely, martha. so the coast guard isvel relevant in what we call the high lat attitudes or polar regions up in the artic. we are operating the sole united states ice breaker, the polish star. built in the 70s more than 40 years old with the support of the administration and congress we are on our way to build a heavy ice breaker replacement to serve our national interest that s projecting our sovereignty there. also operate in the antarctic where we go into the station and allow critical supplies to get in there to attend to the nation s interest in that part of the world as well. martha: obviously the hurricanes were devastating and your response to them, the coast guard response really turned around in some ways a funding issue that could have been tough for the coast guard. the president when he initially came in wanted to cut 1.3 billion from the budget in order to fund the border wall. but then he was so taken with the work that you all did in the hurricane that he said this and put back the money. watch. in last year s historic hurricane season, our coast guard, heroes they are, saved almost 12,000 american lives in that short period. it s aoun unbelievable number when you think of it. [applause] unbelievable number. martha: in terms of funding, do you feel like have you what you need? i guess you never have enough, right? well, martha, i think you mentioned the coast guard is the nation s maritime first responder. as the president noted we responded in the system more than 11,000, almost 12,000 people. the first responder it s really not about the number. it s about who that next person you are about to save is yeah, we have an organization that 42,000 active duty strong. my concern coming in is to assure the readiness of the coast guard. i talk about the coast guard about being ready, relevant response organization. that s what gets after the needs of the nation. we are tied, our economic prosperity. our global influence are tied to our maritime and the coast guard is very much a part of that conversation. martha: obviously you are concerned about the enemies that the united states faces. earlier today the president held sort of an impromptu news conference. here is what he said about kim jong un. we have heard a lot of bad things about rocket man and suddenly you guys are good friends. we got along well. good chemistry. we really did have good chemistry. does that concern you at all the things that the president is saying about kim jong un are somewhat positive given his history? well, martha, the coast guard plays its role and support in the department of defense. on the daily basis across the seven continents we are supporting 68 combatant commanders in that position i would defer to the pentagon in terms of what the president speak with north korea. we are very much a part of the ambulance for any type of contingency. commanders under the department. rorks thank you very much. admiral. con democrat legs on the new job. we ll be catching. you bet. so while he was working in the white house this morning and it was such a nice day outside. the president suddenly tweeted. this i may go outside unannounced and then what happened was something else on all levels. chris stirewalt joins me next. hey! we didn t have a homeowners claim last year so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn t use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it. do not mistake serenity for weakness. do not misjudge quiet tranquility for the power of 335 turbo-charged horses. the lincoln mkx, more horsepower than the lexus rx350. and a quiet interior from which to admire them. for a limited time, get 0% apr on the lincoln mkx plus get $1,000 bonus cash. why people everywhere are upgrading their water filter to zerowater. start with water that has a lot of dissolved solids. pour it through brita s two-stage filter. dissolved solids remain? what if we filter it over and over? 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quiet, quiet. you don t understand sarcasm. yes or no? who are you with? you are with cnn? you are the worst. what you really,. on north korea. wait, wait, wait. martha: is that everybody hopping this morning. joining me how chris stirewalt fox news editor. we were talking this morning watched the whole thing someone said can you imagine the reporters talking that way if this was president bush or president obama? hold on, this is president bush or president obama, this never would have happened. i mean, they didn t sit in the white house and go i think i m going to take a walk outside and just chat it up with the reporter on this beautiful spring day. what do you think? right. and they also didn t smack the press around like this president does. martha: not at all. and we have to remember, very lightly comparatively. we have to remember that there are people who are in the press corps who are advantaged by being in conflict, open conflict, hostility with this president and this administration. just as it is in this administration s benefit, sometimes, to be in open hostility and conflict with what the president calls the lyin press it works for them in that wail and it works for individual reporters. but it s bad for the rest of you was who are trying to do this in the right way. it you are barking and shouting and fighting and trading insults with the president, how are you getting closer to what we all need which is a clear picture about what s going on? yeah. it s very true. you know, some people, i think, were offended at the way the reporters were shouting the questions at the president. in many ways, as you point out, chris, he has sort of set those parameters. you know. i mean, that s the way he functions. i don t think he walks out at that moment and goes they are so awful and mean. maybe he says that on the surface. he obviously wanted to mix it up out there today. he was heading for steve doocy. but he stopped along the way and was happy to engage all these other reporters. i mean, i think he loved what happened this morning. don t you? i would suspect. especially because, again, it does let him cast those reporters who do things like that in that light and the other thing is, you referenced the lester holt interview. after that debacle where the president talked to firing comey over russia once they said that they put the whether it was legal team or comms team. he sat down with our colleague bret baier. he sat down with george stephanopoulos from abc. they are trying out putting the president back out to do interviews again. i say it s about time. let s have it. let s hear more. martha: absolutely. we love to speak with him again some time soon as well. i think you are absolutely right. the legal team has changed for one thing. rudy giuliani is the front man there. and he is on all the time. yes. martha: all the time. we will see how that works out and then the communications team has had some shifts in it as well with the departure of hope hicks and a couple of others. i want to show you one moment from today and get your thoughts on it because i thought this was interesting. this is about otto warm beer war and human rights. spoken so passionately about the circumstances that led to otto warmbier s death. yeah. in the same breath you are defending now kim jong un s human rights records. how can you do that? do you know why? because i don t want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family. martha: what did you think of that, chris? well, i guess i mean, if that s your if the standard becomes everything i do can be excused if it is in the name of protecting your family from being killed in thermal nuclear war. i think we need to get the bar ump off the ground a little bit from there. look, the president is obviously speaks in hyperbole. is he always is he too afoosball in his praising and too afusive in his damning when he does it no matter, what he always goes to 11. when you are talking about kim jong un, he has talked himself into some trouble on this and the salute and all that jazz because he goes over the top with everything. that leaves him vulnerable. that leaves him open to people saying hey, what happened to this terrible monster that you previously described who now you meet him one time and say is he great guy? martha: when you look at it though. and this is always the difficulty in covering this president. when you look at what he says and what he does, you really have to do both all the time. right? because he does have some of these hostages returned. we are in the process of getting the remains returned from the korean war, which is a very important issue for some of these families. and, in many ways, chris, you know, until you start this process, you don t sort of shed light into the dark places where, perhaps, you can get to a point. i mean, this is the policy idea anyway. where you begin to, perhaps, see a world where the go logs start to open up and the slave camps start to open up. unless you get to this point where you are talking, the argument is, that s never going to happen. there might be a way to talk without praising. there might be a way to talk without being so afoosball aafun praise. martha: like a catching. more catching with honey than vinegar. martha: when the president has the opportunity he will turn around and call him little rocket man if he has to. i believe he would say anything at any time depending on the circumstances absolutely yes. i m just saying when he goes out to sacrum with scrum with rs our job is to hold people accountable. you said, this now you are doing that what s the dinners here? look, he has an answer, which is i m trying to basically his answer is, with the hyperbole taken out, i m trying to do a deal here so give me a little latitude so i can try to schmooze this guy and get us what we you want. martha: exactly. chris stirewalt, always good to see you, chris, thank you very much. happy friday. martha: thank you, you too. so coming up next, who can forget this? i m going to say one thing. [bleep] trump. martha: hollywood just loves president trump. loving, loving, loving the president. well, maybe not exactly. and one director simply had enough of the lack of political thought diversity in tinseltown so he left. his very successful career to do movies like this. the president will give me plenty of guys to look at guys i don t like. joins me next with his take on the in the era of president trump when we come back. received word! the louisiana purchase, is complete! instant purchase notifications from capital one . technology this helpful. could make history. what s in your wallet? you know the difference between right or wrong? do you have a moral compass? i knew before you told me that you got an american flag and you probably got more than one. you are a patriot. that movie clip was from a filmmaker who is making waives and finding success outside of los angeles, producer dallas sonia is forging his own path without personal personal politics into his work. a brave and unusual choice in an industry where open hostility against the president has become sort of the it thing to do. watch. when was the last time an actor assassinated a president? yes, i have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house. i hope there s a couple where i interrogate him then, i arrest him and then i escort him to jail. you mean, you mean trump? yeah, who do you think i mean? this guy, this administration is beyond belief. it has to stop. here now dallas, movie producer and ceo of center state. good to have you with us. thank you for having me. martha: interesting reading about your history. you have had a lot of success in hollywood and doing independent films involved in a lot of work that people there would respect and admire. so what started to happen in your life that you thought, you know what? i m tired of this whole rap? yeah, it was two things. first of all, in my hollywood life and career, i noticed that there was a studio system in place where the writer and director would bring their product to the executives and the studios and ask for financing and the scripts would be put through a difficult fusion process, the creative executives would put their, you know, derivative notes onto the script. and what would come out the other side would be something that i didn t really respond to very much, i think as film producers, we need to support the creative vision of the writer and director afusively. otherwise don t make the movie end of story. the other thing was i lost both of my parents in terrible situations of domestic gun violence. and after that happens to one person, you don t have a lot of time for b.s. martha: i m sure you don t. i m sure you don t. and when you take a look at the way things are being done in hollywood. you picked up and brought your family to texas where you group. you say now you have something is it called the tennessee s cousin s role or texas cousin s role how you figure out whether or not something is going to work in the rest of america. yeah, what i do, my both sides of my family is from louisiana. and what i have is the louisiana cousin test. and what i ll do is i will text my cousin the name of the actor that i m about to cast in the movie and if they know who that actor is. it tends to give me a good sense of whether the movie will do well in audiences outside of l.a. and new york. so louisiana cousin test has proven. martha: give me an example of somebody that they would go no, that doesn t nothing for me? yeah, i mean, the example i have given in the past, timothy shalamay for example. although is he very talented actor and nominated. he just doesn t. martha: he is not resonating with the cousins in tennessee. is he not resonating with that crowd. martha: making money off these movies. you say if you do a movie about someone who, you know, had a family member who was injured or wronged and then they unjustly go to prison and then they come out again, and they go back and, you know, shoot the people who did this to them, you re going to make money on your movie. depending on how you distribute it? yeah. yeah. that was those were predominantly my previous films with stone cold steve austin. if you just make a movie where it is it s uncompromising and unforgiving, and doesn t really worry too much about political correctness or filtering your own personal politics through the film, i think what you are find is that true movie becomes more authentic and i think that audiences crave authentic experiences and entertaining experiences. so that s what i found and it s proven to be very successful financial model for us. martha: i m almost out of time. i need to squeeze this in. you have a movie you are working on about a girl in a school shooting incident who turns the gun on the shooter and kills him. and you said you might have difficulty casting that role. how is that going? yeah. it s called run, hide, fight. it s a terrific script about a young girl who decides to fight back instead of run away from a terrible situation. and she leans on her experiences of hunting with her father over the several years that she was a teenager. and, i found that the script is incredible. people really love it, but the actors have given pause and their managers have sort of at times talked them out of starring in the movie out of fear of backlash. martha: because they will be hold go ahead ing the gun anf good person with a gun ending a bad situation for somebody else holding one on innocent people. dallas, thank you very much. very interesting. good to talk to you. thank you. thanks for having me. martha: we ll be rightll back. that s auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. paying too much for insurance that isn t the right fit? well, esurance makes finding the right coverage easy. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412. that s auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. like nothing you, ncy or she, has ever seen. filets of 100% real natural chicken or seafood. handcrafted, and served any way she wants. purely fancy feast filets. love is in the details. directv now gives you more for your thing. get all the good stuff about tv without all the bad stuff. yes! you can still stream your favorite shows. yes! .with no annual contract. wait, what? 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any moment, a high-ranking north korean official expected to meet with president trump in the oval office. we are waiting for this official pull-up at 1600 pennsylvania. nbc s kelly o donnell is standing by for us at the white house. also with me, jim walsh, a research associate specializing in international security at m.i.t. security studies program. kelly o., start with you. what do we know about this meeting between president trump and this north korean official, this top north korean spy named kim yong-chol? reporter: good afternoon, kregg. scene setting. i am outside the west wing and there are cameras in greater numbers than even on busy days by trump standards. even outside the west gate where the public can walk back and forth. a number of photographers are camped out in a position we don t typically see and all kinds of other vantage points where journalists are trying to get the first glimpse of what is a historic moment. a north korean high-level official comes to the white house. it hasn t happened before and something that must be documented. so even by the typical ups and downs of the trump era, big news at any moment, this is pinning the meter. we expect john bolton, the president s national security adviser, and john kelly, the president s chief of staff, will greet kim yong-chol as he arrives at the white house and escort him to the oval office. think of the symbolism. most powerful office in the free world. the oval office. a point of pride for the president who often uses it as an opportunity to bestow sort of grandeur and even to bring people behind the curt an bit using the oval office in a way of greeting his guests. much more than we ve seen perhaps previous presidents, and you consider who kim yong-chol is. someone at the right arm of the leader of north korea, who has been at the head of the intelligence services there, who has been a widely believed person responsible for things that have been deadly on part of north korea and also in this electronic age, the sony hack that was a huge news story and a real breach of u.s. commerce and the corporate structure in america and has changed in many ways the way many of us live. now, set that against the fact he is bringing a letter in this electronic age. oldest of ways exchanging a message from one leader to another. the expectation is the meeting will not be long and won t need to but important to get a sense if we will be able to judge by president trump s body language or any words he chooses to say. we don t expect there will be an immediate opportunity to hear an assessment from the president on-camera, although he is often open to doing so. but will he hear something in that meeting? will he read something in that letter? remember, the president s own letter to kim jong-un said the dialogue between you and me is most important and here we will see today an example of that dialogue through a letter delivered by a top official to the president of the united states. it s an extraordinary moment. just a little more than a week in advance of what would be the summit between the president and kim jong-un, if it goes forward. all signs certainly appear to be pointing towards the progress being made. also the president, of course, will meet with secretary of state pompeo and he has been at the heart of negotiations at the ministerial to try to prepare for a summit of this magnitude. one of the biggest dayed. stunned in march when the south korean delegation came out and said the president will meet with kim jong-un. many iterations. today is a high point. will it go forward and will it be productive? craig? kelly o donnell. stand by if you can. bring in our chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell now. andrea, kelly o. hit on this a bit. the significance of the optics here. i think it was you a few moments ago who indicated they re not shuffling kim yong alcoh-chol t the back door. giving him the v.i.p. treatment. what can we glean from that? that this is likely pointing towards a summit as scheduled in singapore if not june 12th, very close to that date. i will bet on that. if the announcement is not made today it will be made soon. every sign in new york, where we were the last day and a half covering meetings with secretary pompeo were very positive. obviously, there was a statement from kim jong-un saying, we believe as we have in denuclearization. that s the crux of the matter, of course. how does each side define denuclearization? a lot of disagreement there. they ve got to narrow those gaps, and the president himself said this might require a second or a third summit, or more than one day. so they re looking at something happening in june. likely in singapore. and the fact he is being given this welcome indicates he know pretty well what to expect from this letter. this is not the welcome you give to someone who s just in the dark being brought in the dabac door. bringing a letter and you haven t been briefed at least on the context. it s very significant. this is a direct communication. not a leader who tweets or e-mails. so this is a letter, a formal communication between the leader of a country with which we do not have diplomatic relations, in which north, south and the u.s. and the u.n. are really still at war. as we continue to look here at the diplomatic security entrance. this is the colonnade on the south lawn. jim, bring you in to the conversation here. kim yong-chol, right-hand man to the korean leader there. what more do we know about him? i mean, best we can gather, this is someone with, shall we say, a checkered past? y yes. a longtime survivor in a regime where people can get shot. worked for every korean leader. now the young chairman kim. had military roles, political roles. currently i think vice chairman of the korean workers party. a party run state. so that sort of is a big position. he is supposedly involved in 2010, in the sinking of that south korean ship that killed dozens of korean servicepeople and in the island shelling that year, but i think the most important thing about him is obviously he has the confidence of chairman kim. that s more important than anything else. you see him all the time with him in photos and in videos. and let me conclude by saying i agree absolutely with what andrea has said. this meeting would not be happening, this delivery of a letter, a north korea won not be coming to washington unless things were going well. if those meetings had gone poorly in new york, you would not be seeing a north korean official at the white house today. traditionally, and i know this from experience. i ve hosted north korean delegations if cambridge, met with them in new york, and it s very hard to get a visa. very hard to get a visa for a north korean official to come to the u.s. and almost impossible to get one to come to d.c. maybe new york. maybe cambridge. never washington. in these last 20 years. so this really tells you it s moving forward. andrea, correct me if i m wrong. kim yong-chol an accused cyber terrorist. sanctioned by this government. should there be concern inside the white house that there is going to be now presumably this picture of donald trump and and kim yong-chol forever? they are betting this is going to be a popular decision. you heard the president back when he was in elcart, indiana. brought back the three north koreans from north korea, you heard him campaign on this. vice president pence talked about it. they think this is a very good midterm issue for them in addition to the tax policy and domestic issues pushed on the campaign trail. he s talking making history. a legacy no other president has been able to achieve. if this works well, always the risk it won t, but if it works well this will be a real feather in his cap. that s the way they re viewing it. we should let viewers at home know, left side of your screen is the southwest gate. we are not certain whether that suv there is actually part of the motorcade. on the right side of your screen, a tighter shot of the colonnade on the south lawn. just saw chief of staff general john kelly come outside presumably to meet kim yong-chol. went went back inside. seems there a flurry of activity there at that door. one can assume kim yong-chol is fairly close by. jim, let me come back to you. how real is the possibility that the summit in singapore happens on or around june 12th and it s purely for optics sake? by that i mean kim jong-un, president trump in a photo that would be plastered on the front page of every publication in the world for a day or two and after that not much else in terms of substantive policy changes? well, two things. i think they will be there will be a summit. i m with andrea on this. i would bet on that. whether the 12th a substantive summit. on the substantive issue. again, if you follow what the secretary of state has said and he seems to be serious about this. they won t have a summit unless they make real progress. it s not going to be for show. not going to be a costume. you know, obviously the summit itself is not going to be where they negotiate out every single element of what will be a multiyear, complex affair. they will set general principles. they will set general benchmarks, and then it s going to be up to the lower levels of the bureaucracy to make that happen, and as the president himself i thought very interestingly said earlier in the week. maybe yesterday. there might not be one summit. maybe it will take two meetings or three summits in ways dangling another carrot out to chairman kim saying that more is possible. more of these benefits, political benefits are possible, if you re serious. so i think they ll be some i would expect at a minimum we ll have some sort of announcement that locks in the freeze on missile testing, nuclear testing. starts to make some announcements about a process for negotiating problems in the, where there s a disputed area of the sea. you know, maybe a working committee on looking at the peace treaty to settle the arms things like that. but very little that can be accomplished in one day. as andrea pointed out, the piece that came out this week outlines a 15-year process and the first part of that process is you freeze. then after freezing you build sort of a verification infrastructure piece by piece, bit of uranium, by uranium, bomb by bomb. won t have it all right out of the gate. looks like the arrival. kim yong-chol getting ready to walk into the white house to meet president trump. greeted by general kelly. reporter: extraordinary moment and many employees out along the path here wanting to see a bit of this history. also important to note when a leader of this stature is in the united states, it is the u.s. responsible for his security and protection, and as we discussed, kim yong-chol has been an intelligence officer. imagine the way he is looking at the white house, and imagine the intelligence gathering of one man today as he s trying to as the u.s., report back to kim jong-un. boy, i apologize. i messed that up. with the north korean leader. we ll get that straight. but this is an extraordinary moment. the chief of staff, of course, who is a four-star marine general, ability to as adversaries and john bolton, national security advisers. this will be part diplomatic in terms of extending some greetings and some hospitality and it is, of course, very serious, where we are trying to get a sense of, will the president read the signals in addition to the letter and determine that there is enough here to go forward as andrea has outlined and the conversation has made clear. you don t get to the oval office unless there s a green light. also, the president would be traveling from canada to singapore. that s the expectation. the g7 will be held in canada and all of the discussion of trade and the tensions over nafta and tariffs, the president probably will be anxious to get out of canada and head to singapore. so the timing of june 12th is important as well. here s the president. this was the reporter: the president s chief of staff, yes. the scene a few moments ago. we did not get a look at kim yong-chol s face but a shot of the back of his head. happened quickly out of that suv. this is a live shot. a live look at the colonnade. you can see kim yong-chol there walking with chief of staff john kelly and also walking with presumably some of his aides as well there. from north korea. a smile. it looked as if there was a bit of a smile there. seems to be in good spirits, andrea mitchell. we know he has been meeting with secretary pompeo in new york. that meeting happened yesterday. we know the secretary of state has been to north korea and met with kim jong-un twice in the past two months. and now this, andrea mitchell. it seems as if it was just yesterday when donald trump had writ an letter to kim jong-un telling him that the summit was off and as you indicated just a few moments ago it would seem as if all signs now are that this thing is most definitely back on. andrea, do we know after this this brief meeting with president trump, whether the two of them are going to appear for what we call the pool spray? do we know at this point? my bet it would happen. you can see the pool is there outside the oval office. their position to the rose garden pushing in towards the colonnade. you see them walking. i can t see from my monitor. i don t, craig you may have a better picture, whether john bolton as expected was one of the greeters. he was not. that irony would be profound. he s been in the recent past in favor of regime change and one of those that has been believed to be not completely onboard at least from his past rhetoric, before he became national security adviser more recently. of course, pompeo has also met with kim yong-chol twice before. first when they were adversaries, if you will, both spy chiefs, when he was cia director and his first mission, secret mission to north korea to meet with kim yong-chol and kim jong-un that first beginning to discuss the summit, and then the second meeting, of course, was only two weeks ago. i think only two weeks ago when we were seeing the arrival, two or three weeks ago, the arrival in america. the three detainees when pompeo brought them back. so now pompeo has been really carrying the ball on this. the president s praised him. dramatic change from his predecessor secretary tillerson who had so little communication with the president and so much friction with the president that he never would have been entrusted with this kind of mission, but pompeo has his own hard line credentials, if you will, and so he has been in charge of this normalization process. the picture you re seeing now on the right side of your screen, of course, are the photo opportunities from yesterday when we saw them sitting across from each other at an american diplomatic mission. it s a high-rise building at 38th street and first avenue in new york just below the u.n. where the deputy chief of mission to the u.n. normally resides. it s been vacant. so presumably it was available for the dinner the night before and all of their meetings yesterday. then pompeo as you know had a news conference yesterday afternoon and described this as progress but still had the caveat there s more to be cleared up. and announced this visit today would be taking place. so we now know that they are in the oval office, presumably with the president. and if there s going to be a photo opportunity or an announcement, it s going to come i would think fairly quickly. there would be the letter to be delivered and this in itself is extraordinary. this level of communication, leader to leader, is very, very rare indeed, if not unprecedented. there was, as we say, a previous visit of a high-level north korean official. not one sanctioned like this visitor or one as high a level now, the vice charmin of the workers, ruling party for the regime, but the real point man for for kim jong-un and, in fact, the counterpart, if you will, of secretary pompeo. the previous meeting was in october of 2000, it was with bill clinton, and it was enough to justify madeleine albright taking her team and the press pool i was in it to pyongyang. it was the heist raighest ranki official to viscid until secretary pompeo did. sitting official. former presidents, jimmy carter, bill clinton, to bring back american hostages, but this is through the oval window, right? yes. and we can t make out whether that s actually president trump sitting in that chair there, but we do know that president donald trump right now is meeting with kim yong-chol, highest ranking north korean official to visit this country since vice marshal in we can tell you secretary of state pompeo is in the oval office as as well. andrea, you raised the question of john bolton, whether he is in there. kelly o donnell, you were nodding during this conversation, i hear? reporter: we were advised john bolton would be participating. his absence is worth noting and andrea added the appropriate context and an intans chief of staff john kelly, supposed to be head of the structure here felt it appropriate he do this. if we turn the tables a bit and flash forward to say the summit happens, and if it is in local time based on being in singapore. in the united states, we d be watching that in the middle of the night. today with this incredibly important visit for a north korean official, it s now about 2:00 in the morning in north korea and time zones matter. we know that the world in north korea is not the 24/7 cable environment we live in, but time zone matters for this reason. in just the last month north koreans decided to adjust their time zone to unify it with south korea. it had been a 12.5 hour time zone. they 14ishifted a half hour so north and south would be in the same time zone. in a moment of diplomacy, even small gestures like that are a sign, and give us a sense of the new moment that president moon of south korea has been trying to create with more unity, even if not reunification but more of a unity among the korean people on the peninsula. that s just happened in recent weeks and is among the things we re talking about that could be a signal. we had heard that north korea had offered the possibility of a burger franchise, a western one, an american one presumably, being opened in north korea as part of what might be on the table of options when negotiators go back and forth. we often see that in these diplomatic exchanges as well, where xmers at some level a part of it and often seen the president tout the purchase of military equipment with other kinds of world leaders who are allies. in this instance, perhaps it s burger diplomacy that will be at least one small detail in this long conversation with north korea. craig? chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell continues to watch all of this unfold. andrea, we can tell viewers and listeners we have been told that the president s photographer is there. an official record of this has been made. the president meeting now with kim yong-chol inside the oval office there on the right side of your screen. andrea, one of the things that struck me on the past few months is this question that president trump has been asked a number of times. have you spoken to kim jong-un on the telephone? have you had any direct conversations with him? the president has sidestepped that question on a number of occasions. weren t quite cagey. what do you surmise? do you think that president trump would go to singapore and meet with the leader of north korea if he had not spoken with him on the phone already? i don t know the answer to that. i don t think they ve spoken already. it there s going to be any greater communication i think it s by letter. that s why this letter is so significant. by the way, we were told by a senior state department official in new york that what really changed in the last week since the president s letter canceling the summit a week ago thursday, i believe, was their response. their response was so conciliatory they issued a statement which, in fact, was beyond conciliatory. a letter unlike any they d previously seen from another high-ranking north korean official and asked what they made of it. the senior state department official said, i think they know they screwed up. which is a quote nap they screwed up in being so tough. the week before. and in their rhetoric against vice president pence and others that they had gone too far reverting back after kim jong-un had gone to beijing and visited with the chinese, presumably to toughen up his negotiating stance that they made the rhetoric so unacceptable to president trump that you know, president trump felt he had to break off the summit and did it with very little communication and very little dialogue with his national security advisors in fact. really talking to john bolton. informs secretary mattis, discussing it with the secretary of state, but a very abrupt decision not notifying congress. we all remember what happened a week ago thursday. now it s a week later and they sent a very conciliatory response to his tough letter which is what made them think, ah, there is something here. i don t think they ve had verbal communication. we may be proved rongwrong. this is a secret process. my read so far, it is this letter and his letter and other communications via secretary pompeo that has been really significant. we also know that the vice chief of staff, the deputy chief of staff, i should say, joe hagan is a former bush administration official as well. he s in singapore. has been planning logistics this week with a team of counterparts. they had been stood up a week before and in his testimony a week thursday to the foreign relations committee, getting a dial tone when they tried to find out why everything was going off the tracks. so all of the signals have turned very dramatically in a positive direction, craig. andrea, thank you. and, again, on the right side of your screen, for folks who might just be joining us. you ve probably seen a flurry of activity on the right side of your screen. what we know at this point is that kim yong-chol is inside the oval office with president trump. secretary of state mike pompeo. we do not know who else is in that office. we re told that the meeting itself is going to be very short. we do not know if after this meeting the two of them actually might pose for some pictures, or perhaps the president will even take some questions while seated next to this former north korean spy chief, who is the right-hand man, if you will, of kim jong-un, north korea s reclusive president. again, all signs pointing to the summit in singapore happening on or near june 12th. this is the top north korean official. the highest ranking north korean official to visit this country in almost 20 years. there s his biocard, as we call them. and, again, we were looking at the images there inside the oval office. it s very difficult to sort of make out who some of these officials are based on silhouettes. so i won t even attempt that, but we can go to singapore right now, i m told. where we find our pentagon correspondent hans nichols watching all of this transpire as well and let folks know, hans, that you are there because the secretary of defense, james mattis is there. secretary mattis there, previously planned visit, but what more do we know, hans, about the preparations that are being made in that country ahead of this high-stakes summit? reporter: look, we know logistical conversations are continuing. the question is, it will all be likely overridden by what s happening inside the oval office. craig, the duration of that meeting inside the oval office matters. the longer, be the more likely they re having a substantive conversation and could be hashing out the very issues they hope to get final agreement in singapore. in terms of logistics of the summit here in singapore, they haven t select add location. at least haven t announced it. a city that s ready. has the capacity to host it and in about ten days the center of the world could be focused on singapore. it s about 1:25 in the morning here. the middle of the night. a 12-hour time difference. as we continue to look at the gripping, captivating pictures there inside the oval office we have to mark our stopwatches, because the longer the meeting goes on, the more likely of substance. another key question, how quickly was that letter handed over to president trump? did it go through any security screening process first? these are crucial questions we need and right now have to watch the monitoring and watch the microphone to see what president trump says about this crucial meeting. craig? a good point. we do not know precisely what was in the letter, or the nature of the letter. again, it s a number of our our analysts pointed out here. one can assume that if the two of them are sitting down in the oval office and they ve been sitting down for five, ten minutes now, that things must be going reasonably well. duration matters, according to hans nichols, our pentagon correspondent through in singapore. jim, bring you back into the conversation as we continue to watch all of this unfold. again, on the right side of the screen there. white house officials including president trump meeting with kim yong-chol. your initial thoughts? well, craig, if you and i were having a cup of coffee five years ago and i said to you that donald trump and kim yong un would become pen pals, you would think i was crazy, and you would have made if you were a betting man. i don t know if you are or aren t, you would have made a big bet with me and of course i wouldn t have made that bet. because it was crazy. a measure how far we ve come. how odd the world is around us. that s the first impression. second, i think as i say, i m very bullish on this happening and i think a negotiation is the right way to go. i think it will help reduce dangers. dangers of war. reduce the danger of inadvertent war. any freeze we can get would be to our benefit to our national security, but as we ve witnessed even in the past week, you know, we re not out of the woods here. we re at the beginning. not at the end, and we could have lots of things that could come up out of the blue that could suddenly turn this in a different direction. so it s a big day. it s an important day. but things could change, you know, at a moment s notice and go in a very different direction. if this is a process that works well it will be of great benefit to the united states and to the globe. if it fails or worse sort of crashes and burns with both parties retreating to their corner angry and confused, then that puts you in a very different path. there the risk of war increases. so i m all in favor of the negotiation, but we should probably if we ve learned anything the past couple of weeks it s that we should probably take this one day at a time. also joining me here, ruth marcus, award-winning columnist with the washington post. always good to have your perspective. our friend jim walsh there talking about the ramifications for global security, and peace and whatnot, ruth, but let s talk about what we tend to talk about more often than not here. the politics of this. president trump politically. the risks. how how steep are the risks for him here? there are risks, but i have to say there are also enormous potential benefits. not just the nobel peace prize. which i don t think you should be counting on, donald, setting up a space on your book shelf for that quite yet, but, look. people were rattled some months ago with the talk of fire and fury. people, which i say people, i mean the voters. people out there think that talking is better than not talking, and being at the brink of a negotiation is better than being at the brink of a potential nuclear conflagration. so i think there are enormous amounts of geopolitical risks here, with a summit that is being set up in a way that no summit i ve ever heard of has been set up. with meetings between principles before all of the submeetings have happened and this unusual president s meeting, but i think that the geopolitical risks are a little greater than the political risks for president trump at this point. there s a lot of up side to him. people like to see their president acting presidential, and that means negotiating a particularly, they prefer to see people negotiating peace rather than threatening war. hans nichols, do i still have hans in singapore? is he still with me? reporter: you do. i m still here, craig. okay. ruth raised an issue, and sort of makes me wonder. our allies, and our enemies abro abroad. reporter: yes. watching all of this unfold. what are they making of all of this? what do we know about how our our allies and friends are seeing this? well, you re seeing a concerted effort from across the administration is to insist there s no daylight between the japanese, americans and their approach. whether or not that matches with reality, craig, you get different views on this. certainly in the south korean press there is questions about just how much the end points of these two countries converge. i do think we re going to take a giant step back and think about the timeline for negotiations. you heard president trump hint at this yesterday, that you could have maybe one, two, maybe even three rounds of negotiations. but within the intelligence community, there s broad agreement that the horizon for this is not limitless. you do need to have some sort of solution, because the further that the north korea advances, the more technological advances they make, the more likely to have the capacity to bring down a nuclear warhead with a controlled icbm on to north america. the timeline is not limitless. that s a very real deadline inside the pentagon, inside intelligenceations. we just don t know exactly what the deadline is. they said a couple of months, they said towards the end of 2018. and that s why these intelligence assessments are so crucial. because those assessments set clocks and those are very real clocks, because when you take another step back, clear from president trump, he said it s unacceptable for north korea to have this capacity to strike the united states. yes, talks are going on, but that end stop is stopping north korea from having that capacity, and that is driven by very real developments on the ground in north korea, and there s always the danger, especially talking to officials in this part of the world. there s always the danger north korea is simply stalling, stalling for time and stalling for a better negotiating position. craig? kim yong-chol there inside the oval office. again, this is a man who is the military intelligence chief for north korea for about seven years. vice chairman of the workers party. top nuclear weapons negotiator. negotiating with the south koreas about two years ago. an indication of his loyalty toy kim jong-un, the bodyguard for the kim family during the 60s and 70s. a guy that s been around power in north korea for a very long time. he has not just the ear of kim jong-un, we are told. he is one of his most trusted senior advisors. he delivered a letter to president trump. he delivered that letter roughly 20 minutes ago. our eyes and ears are on the ground there in washington, d.c. they tell us that kim yong-chol walked into the oval office at 1:14. it is now 1:34 on the east coast and the president of the united states and kim yong-chol appear to still be talking s we don t know what s in the letter but told we might get a better serns sense of both of those things once this meeting wraps up. and ruth is still with me. columnist. you brought up the iran theory, eons ago. the president and vice president scared people around the world with that rhetoric. that letter roughly a year ago, when he appeared to be breaking up with kim jong-un the way a high schooler might break up with another high schooler and now here we are. can we deduce that perhaps all of that was part of some larger strategy? or am i giving the president too much credit? i might be giving the president a little bit too much credit there. the the president is a guy who lives in the moment, and he lives in the moment the way a new york real estate builder lives in the moment, which is, you do what you need to do to get the deal in front of you. and then you say what you need to say to get ta deal and then if things start to fall apart down the road, you deal with the consequences down the road. this is an odd way to do diplomacy. but, you know, you have to say, and i m sounding like much more of a trump i am not a trump supporter and i am, have been very concerned about all sorts of issues with the president s behavior and very concerned about his dealings with north korea, but having been to the demilitarized zone, knowing something about what a scary place that is and what a scary place it could be, not just for the south koreans but for us as the north koreans continue to develop their nuclear capacity, there might be something to the trump way when it comes to these dealings. the thing he needs to remember is that on the other side of these dealings, there are sort of new york real estate operators of their own. north koreas made a lot of promises in the past too, to a number of previous presidents that they have not lived up to. what we know is, if this summit off again/on again summit does become on again and happens, trump will declare victory. what we need to do looking at it and analyzing it is to recognize that the proof will be in the pudding of that victory and in the monitoring. monitoring that they said was inadequate when it came to deal wig the nuclear deal in iran. how are they going to assure themselves of north korean compliance? 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reporter: well, our viewers have come to hear us talk about the pool. we have a small group of our colleagues who on a rotating basis are assigned to be closest to the president. so we ve been waiting for word from them about any next steps. the latest guidance we have was their observation this is now roughly 30 minutes or so where we believe the president and his north korean guest are meeting. that is, perhaps, a sign of things going well as the day progresses we know that the president was supposed to have time with the secretary of state. so that makes sense that this could linger for a while, and then there will be another point where potentially we would see the president simply based on his schedule not related to this, it s that a plane for the weekend at camp david. sometimes when the president departs for such a weekend we get an opportunity to ask him questions upon the departure nap could be something we could look for today. it would also be notable if mrs. trump, the first lady, would be with the president. she has none been seen in public for a few weeks now. since her office described publicly she was hospitalized for a kidney-related medical procedure. that could also be something today that would be on our radar. at the same time we have been waiting to know, is there any photo that s officially going to be released? will there were about opportunity for the president to say something? simply by judging the presidency of donald trump. he is one more often drawn to cameras and a willingness to speak when he thinks he has especially something to say or perhaps the upper hand. having the north korean leader inside the oval office could be such a day, if pe feels things have moved along substantially enough and it would involve translators and officials helping to make this conversation to facilitate it so it would not be the same length as if two english speakers were meeting together. factor that in to the timing that we ve been watching. quite a sunny day here in washington. so sometimes the window is hard to peer through with our colleagues who are on the south lawn side, and that s the oval office window you ve been alluding to. notable when john kelly walked kim yong-chol to the white house they did not take the full colonnade route, which would have walked in to the president s door of the oval office. that s frequently done. instead went into the interior offices of the west wing, perhaps there were some other handshakes behind the scenes we have not yet been told about or perhaps just a waiting for the president to be ready to receive his guest in the oval office. so this is a time where as the conversation perhaps is more fruitful, which will mean our time in the sun will be longer, but there are some schedules today that we will look forward to those data points. where the president speak on camera? make that available to colleagues waiting close by in the pool? and when he departs for camp david for the weekend, will he give us his own readout of this important day? craig? all right, kelly o donnell for us at the white house. david knock knonakamora. a question posed to another panel lift here. we are all acutely aware of the ramifications, cloe s globally this is a summit that providing if this is a substantive summit we are acutely aware of what this would mean to the global world order, but politically, david nakamora, what are the risks, the potential rewards, the calculations made here by this white house? everybody s made the point in the last three months since trump quickly decided to do the summit he was taking a big risk. normally you work up torwards a summit and make small agreements along the way. trump s doing it the opposite way. staked a lot of his political foreign policy capital on this. sort of elevating north korea to essentially his biggest foreign policy priority and jumped all in. i m the master negotiator, will take it from here. kim jong-un is the only one that can make final decisions so let s get on with it. a major breakthrough, historic. if they don t, however, a number of things, whether the president rushed too quickly to do this. fractured alliances with south korea and japan who have different opinions on this process. and whether, of course what comes next? if this diplomacy fails, people said, look, we were on the brink of hostile rhetoric and threats and name-calling last year. are we back to that and possible military action? which is a big, big concern obviously in northeast asasia. as we continue to watch the pictures right side of your screen, secretary of state mike pompeo sit seated. president trump talking to kim yong-chol. we are going to take a quick break. when we come back, ruth marcus is going to spend time with me talking about this article that she wrote today. this column, and she writes in part that a president s use of his pardon power offers an x-ray of his soul. we are going to talk about the president s soul on the other side of this break. this is msnbc. inary coffee. inary coffee. it s single-origin kenyan coffee from the nyeri highlands, 6,000 feet above sea level. but how do you really know that the beans journeyed to the port of mombasa and across the pacific? that you can trust they re 100% authentic? ibm blockchain. a smart way to track every step, ensuring this coffee did indeed come from 6,000 feet above sea level. and not a foot lower. ways to lthe northern belly fat. percussion massage. not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? 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no. every day i m working. what about sunday? i ll be working this sunday. you weren t lying? i don t lie on tv. but off tv? all the time. stephanie s here. she s riling me up. is there another royal wedding? it s a royal block. it s 11:00 a.m. out west and 2 p.m. at the white house. president trump is meeting with north korean spy turned diplomat kim yong-chol in the white house office. the right hand man of kim jong-un arrived 45 minutes ago to deliver a letter from the north korean letter to president trump. right now it appears as if they re still in the oval. first, across the country, the
are we actually reaching a boiling point? it sure seems that way to me. when the trump show returned from singapore, and landed on the white house lawn, the the story wasn t so much what he said, it was how dishonest he was being. i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change their law. that s their law. they were quiet. that s the democrats law. we can change it tonight. we can change it right now. i will leave here no, no. you can feel the reporters frustrations. you can hear them trying to correct the president. as you know by now, this policy about separating parents or adults from children was announced in a press release in april, then on camera by jeff sessions in may. this policy has been in effect now for a couple of months. the numbers are now coming in about how many children have been separated from their adult guardians. the numbers came out on friday. that s partly why this has become the top story in the country. the department of homeland security says about 2,000 children were separated between mid april and the end of may. you can see the number on screen. this was getting a small amount of media attention until this week. now it s getting a lot of attention. why? for one thing, democrats are seizing on the issue, writing bills and visiting the border, holding protests. some of the critics are calling the trump policy kidnapping. meantime for the first time, reporters have been allowed inside in recent days, touring some of the detention centers, not all of them. giving us a look at some of th living conditions, mostly for the boys, not for the babies. there s more reporting that needs to be done. at the same time, trump supporters are defending this new zero tolerance policy and blaming the media for blowing it out of proportion. how did we get here? what does this tell us about agenda setting? joining me is brian karam, a cnn political analyst. olivia nuzzi and doug hyatt and a cnn political commentator. how did we end up here? that s a good question. i will tell you, it didn t start with the trump administration. it began probably 30, 40 years ago when i first started covering the border. this has been an issue that has been buried by both sides, the democrats and republicans. it has been glossed over. it came full force because of the steps that donald trump took. that is because they have the mistaken belief that this will act as a deterrent, separating parents and childrens will deter those who have nothing and who have already lost everything. you take a look at the situations that you showed just a few seconds ago with the video showing where these people are being housed and point of fact, and it s cruel to say this, but those are better living conditions than what they come from. anything you say about deterring immigration by doing this is just flat i wrong. the president has made the decision to do it. he has lied to the american people about how it s being done. he could change it if he wanted. crossing into the united states can be treated as a civil or a criminal problem. what this administration has done is chosen to do is to treat it as a criminal problem and separate the parents and the children in the mistaken belief that it somehow will deter people who have absolutely nothing, deter them from coming over here. that s sad. what i have seen happen are journalists standing up for american values, family values. you saw this. there were journalists saying, i m an immigrant. that s happening now. we hear immigrants say i m a mother, i m a father. is that what you see happening as well, a form of advocacy? i wouldn t say that. i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that this administration are lying about this policy. donald trump, as we saw, is blaming this on the democrats. kellyanne conway on another network saying that nobody likes this policy. they are acting as though they are hands off with this. in may of this year, jeff sessions said, if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated as required by law. if you don t like that, then don t smuggle children over our border. there s a lack of empathy across the board as it relates to immigrants. obviously, that was a part of donald trump s campaign yesterday was i think the three-year anniversary of that campaign. it s been a fixture of his political doctrine since the beginning of his political career. i don t think that the reason why this is such a big story this week is because of advocacy. i think it s because of dogged reporting on the ground reporting. i think it s because people are questioning reporters are questioning this white house and following up and making them answer for their lies. this gets to the divide in the country as well. there are journalists talking about this being disgraceful. there are commentators bringing up the n word, nazi. doesn t the tone of some of the coverage offend a great deal of americans who feel the real scandal is that people are entering the country illegally in the first place? i think there s no bigger issue that there s a divide within the american public about than immigration. there s a reason why congress hasn t done anything on immigration in years and years. it s because we can t reach consensus. i can tell you, having worked in congress as a staffer for a long time, we haven t been a to get there because even within the republican conference, there s not agreement, which is what we are seeing play out this week. we will see play out next week as well. then you add to the story real the real humanity of parents being separated from ch drive emotions. it s not just driving democrats to tabout this. our colleague has been not just dogged but fierce in her condemnation of this policy. as somebody who is pro-life, i know you can t be pro-separating parents and children. this is a very real story. there s a reason it s being covered. that s a good point that it s not just democrats versus republicans. there have been prominent religious leaders speaking out against this. i grew up in membthodist church. i was struck by how fierce their statement was against this. it s not just black and red or red versus blue. it boils down to basic humanity. what do we stand for as a nation? this brings us to your outburst at thursday s briefing. what was that? here is part what have happened there. come on, you are a parent. don t you have any empathy for what these people are going through? settle down. seriously. i m not going to have you yell out of turn. do you regret losing your cool? i have an apology to make. i apologize to every human being who has had to suffer, who have less who has less than i do. and i did not come to the table sooner. i m sorry to those people for waiting so long and holding my temper. i am sorry that i am extremely angry with this administration that has lied to me, continues to lie to me. i m sorry as a reporter that for so l i thought that the idea was to i was struggling to do my job, i forgot my job is to comfort t afflicted, afflict the comfortable and ask questions for those who have no voice. i respect what you are saying. you came across as a caricature for many of the people that are watching who feel journalists are trying to make it about themselves, get on tv, trying to get more attention. that s the pushback from the administration, of course. as i said, it s not about that. you don t think that s legitimate? i don t. it s not legitimate. we have been playing by the old rules for so long that we forgot where we are with this administration. for fact, it was sarah huckabee sanders who brought her family into the press room. she beat us over the head with it. we have been berated, lied to, insults. we have been told we have less credibility than the president of the united states. we have been lectured at. that office used to be an office of information. it is now an office of disinformation. it s an office of propaganda. we should push back harder. i have heard from numerous i think the vast majority of americans are as inflamed by this issue than any other. it s a basic question of humanity. it must be addressed. as you know, you became let s look at what some of the reactions were. this was, of course, reactions on fox news. they were not fans of your behavior. these people don t belong there. they start to rip press passes away. if you act like a wild animal, you don t belong there. sarah sanders is not a baby-sitter. we have individuals acting liked to toddlers. i was waiting for him to throw a shoe. i don t think he wears them. he is the press club hobo. throw him the heck ou get limb out of there. there s no reason to put up with it. your reaction? i do wear shoes, even though i am from kentucky. honestly, i ve been called worse. i have a thick hide. i m there for a reason. i m there to ask questions and to seek answers. there is that was a very simple and actually softball question. do you have any empathy for what s she could have said, yes, i do. she was reacting to you inter t interrupting you. i think that s why she refused to answer. she refuses to answer any question she feels uncomfortable with. there have been people who interrupted her, including jim acosta, april ryan, jonathan carl, those questions she doesn t like to answer because they put her in a position of having to answer honestly. that s something that this administration is not prepared to do. i will remind you let s go to the broader point that those fox hosts were talking about. the reason it concerned me was talking about pulling credentials, denying access. doug, you were the communication director for the republican national committee. was there talk about this? is this a new phenomenon to say, kick him out? i will remind you, that doug, let me get i would say it s a bit of both. what we used to do at the rnc, we would put people from time to time, if they were reporting really awful, misleading stories, we would put them on the disabled list. a week or 30 days if it was really egregious. that didn t mean they would lose their access to the capitol.the questions. some of their access would be limited to us. we wouldn t necessarily respond this them as quickly as to others. at the same time, we had our jobs to do which was to get information out to all of these journalists so that we could tell our side of the story. when you are shutting down access, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. you are not telling your story because it s not about the journalist. it s about their audience. when i have gone on other networks, friends of mine who are conservatives say why would you talk to rachel? it s not about rachel. it s about her audience. we forget that. it s not what you say. it s what people hear. let s take a we are the conduit through which the information flows. let s take a break. stick around. more to discuss after a commercial, including a big question that newsrooms are appling with. is the press unwittingly spreading president trump s lies? 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( ) i m a four-year-old ring bearer with a bad habit of swallowing stuff. still won t eat my broccoli, though. and if you don t have the right overage, you could be paying for that pricey love band yourself. so get an allstate agent, and be better protected from mayhem. like me. can a ring bearer get a snack around here? hello. let s go for a ride on a peloton. let s go grab a couple thousand friends and chase each other up a hill. let s go make a personal best, then beat it with your personal better than best. let s go bring the world s best instructors right to you. better yet, let s go bring the entire new york studio - live. let s go anytime, anywhere, with anyone who s willing. and let s go do it all right here. ready to go? peloton. journalists usually prize access to politicians. what good is access when the person is lying to you? you know who i m talking about. president trump was accessible all week. lots of access. he held his first real solo formal press conference in 15 months. he gave interviews to abc and voice of america. he kept it up on friday. then he took questions from the press corps. it s little wonder why he went outside. just look at what happened at the end of the week. new york state sued the president and his foundation, alleging numerous crimes. cable newscasts were full of speculation about michael cohen possibly flipping on trump. and there was a hearing in the mon manafort case and now he is off to jail. trump talked and talked trying to wrestle control of the narrative. new outlets turned out fact check after fact check. it s a vicious cycle. he says something bogus. we correct him. he objects to the coverage. he said something else bogus and so on and so on. it leads us to tweets that are absolutely disturbing. i know it feels like this happened months ago. it has to be scrutinized. the president saying that america s biggest enemy is fake news. singling out nbc and this network. that s extreme rhetoric. it s another dose of his poison. no matter what, his media allies always have his back. before the singapore summit, they were saying journalists were acting unamerican. why is the media practically rooting for our president to fail? they want the president to fail. rooting for him to fail. they simply want him to be hurt. they want the nation now to be hurt. the panel is back with me now. doug, olivia and brian. i wanted to start on the tweet about the press, parts of the press, cnn and other parts of the press being the country s biggest enemy. those words are disturbing. how was it received in the press corps? is he oblivious to what made america great for 200-plus years? yes, certainly. we know that by now. i think that in the press corps, in america when he is on when he is on white house lawn saying these things, i think it sort of met with a shrug. the backdrop of the international stages last week i think kind of brought into sharp relief what the stakes are. to see north korea s leader standing with someone who just called the american press corps, the free press, the biggest our country s biggest enemy, it was a reminder it s not just a silly thing that our president does sometimes, like the drunk uncle character from snl. i think it s easy to get trump fatigue, as we talked about on this show many times before. i think the different setting it creates this jucxtaposition which was high. what was your impression of the singapore coverage given the president still this morning on twitter is complaining he is not being given a fair shake? i thought it was beneficial for kim jong-un as well. it was wall to wall coverage. donald trump as he always does, dominated all political coverage. here is the thing. donald trump, one of the main reasons he was elected was he doesn t care about the rules. he sets an agenda in a way obama or bush or clinton or anybody else doesn t. the press covers him as if he were every other president. when i talk to folks outside of the washington bubble and they hear about these fact checks and the 22 lies in trump s latest press conference, they disregard it. the media doesn t have any credibility with them. having worked with politifact do we not cover what he said? hold him responsible. doug is saying that makes it worse. it s different. it s hoellding him at his level. you cannot take a bully and allow him to bully you. we cannot do the idea of being factual and stoic is not working. why it doesn t work is because the people he appeals to i disagree. the press conference on friday was a really, really good example of how this does work. you saw reporters that s great. in real time. you saw them following up. he was telling reporters to be quiet. he couldn t seem to understand why nobody else was agreeing with him about kim jong-un, for instance. but let s the bottom let s get doug to address this. what is the we don t have very much maan opportunities for that. it s because of the approximapr away that s why he doesn t do it very much. that s why he controlled it. that s why there s a frustration level. when there s a lack of credibility for the four of us speaking, what s the alternative? let s say jim acosta asked a question of sarah sanders and doesn t get an answer. say hypothetically, because that doesn t happen. they let them off the mat. then they have won that. the other example is because donald trump tweets something, doesn t mean it needs to dominate coverage all day. when donald trump tweets something, he says i m going to change the agenda. these are not the droids you are looking for. keep looking for the droids. it s simple. bottom line is, we do need to do a better job in the white house briefing room of following up on each other without a doubt. the press is not a uniform lump clay. there are competing interests. there are many issues to cover on any given day. they play that to their advantage by making the press briefings short in duration. very few and far between. the access to the president is limited. does press secretary sarah sanders have any credibility left? no. no. there s no credibility left in that white house press briefing room. what you said about they have to pick an enemy. what you saw about wanting the president to fail, that speaks that s the umbrella issue that spoke to me in the last segment directly. they would rather make us the enemy and make the story about us. they are making the story about the press. they are making the story about jim acosta. they are making the story about april ryan. we saw a preview of that when they said acosta s credentials should be revoked. the campaign did this in 2016. they revoked my press credentials. they revoked my publication s press credentials, for various publicatio. that did not result in no covege, of course. we still covered the campaign fairly and critically. it made things more difficult logistically. i think he would saw with the north korean summit in particular the importance of the press being given access to these type of things. the photos that came out from the media were not the same coming out from the government. i would say to the point about the press following up on each other s questions, unfortunately, the press is not this organized group. it s not as though there s a smoke-filled room where everybody hangs out and says, we re going to ask sarah about the child immigration policy today. unfortunately, as brian said, there are competing interest and there s a lot of news to get to. they have condensed the briefings to the point where they are so short they are pointless. i wouldn t say they are pointless. there s great value to hearing what administration officials have to say on the record, even if we learn later or we know in real time that they are not telling the truth. i will concede that. let s move to the broader issue about lying and deception. it s not just in the briefing room. it was happening in the scrum of reporters on friday. i have been thinking about the role of fact checking and whether we are unwittingly helping to spread misinformation that s coming from the white house. i spoke with trump critic george lakeoff about this. listen to what he said. one of the things that journalists are trying to do is to repeat and quote what public figures say. when the public figures are distorting, lying and trying to reframe things in false ways, what the journalists are doing is helping them. you are helping to get them out there. not only that, if they deny it, if they go out and quote his words and say this isn t true, what they have done is quoting his words. when nixon said, i am not a crook, everyone thought of him as a crook. the point is that denying a frame activates the frame. we can take this example and play it out through trump s tweet about the press being the biggest enemy. if we put it in a banner that says trump says the media is the biggest enemy, that s damaging according to him. let s try a different banner. we say, trump criticized for biggest enemy comment. he would say that banner is not good enough because we re still identifying the lie. let s put up a better banner. why is trump lashing out at the press again? this is a real time example of how newsrooms or in this case cable news networks have to think about how we re reporting the president s words. brian? it s a double-edged sword. if you first of all, his tweets have been determined to be policy. you have to in some regard report them. number two, not reporting them leads to the argument that we re the fake press and we don t we only report stuff that s unfavorable to the president. you are a damned if you do, damned if you don t. getting information out to the public is essential. whether or not we like or agree with that information, yeah, s e ripple affect in the pond. hopefully, the electorate is informed enough and is educated enough and cared enough about the issues to understand and differentiate between the falsehoods and truth. it s our job to pass information. to go after us let me be clear. he says it s not working. he says what you are describing is a failure. brian, recent history says that is not working. i don t think you can look at the you are not i hope you are not looking for a disagreement from me. i was talking to the other brian. i just think that i think we should be trying to get better at this. improve how we frame these things. i saw there was an argument between jonathan kapar and a reporter at the new york times because jonathan tweeted what the president said, which was an obvious falsehood. it sprung up this debate about whether or not he was perpet e perpetuating the lie. so i think we need to try to prove all the time on that. now is as good as time as ever. start with the truth. then describe briefly what the lie was. then get back to the truth. i told him, it s like a truth sandwich. that might be the best possible answer to this, if we can frame who is meshamerica s enemy? that s a great point. truth is subjective. facts are not. truth is subjective. facts are not. we have to get back to the facts. we have to trust the american people. you are going to have voices on the right and the left. right now, what we should be doing is asking very basic questions. we are every day. doug, last word to you. yes, you have to cover what the president says because he s the president. you don t have to cover it exhaustively. we don t need to talk about it for 24 hours. when we do, trump wins. you play into his hands every day. amen. thank you all for being here. happy father s day. happy father s day. happy father s day. thank you very much. he wanted to reshape the news industry, but an article says it was a bluff. rob reiner, he joins me to discuss why he thinks conservative media coverage of the president is essentially state run. that s right after this. at&t provides edge-to-edge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your retail business. so that if your customer needs shoes, & he s got wide feet. & with edge-to-edge intelligence you ve got near real time inventory updates. & he ll find the same shoes in your store that he found online he ll be one happy, very forgetful wide footed customer. at&t provides edge to edge intelligence. it can do so much for your business, the list goes on and on. that s the power of &. & if your customer also forgets socks! & you could send him a coupon for that item. you might be missing something.y healthy. your eyes. that s why there s ocuvite. ocuvite helps replenish nutrients your eyes can lose as you age. it has lutein, zeaxanthin and omega-3. ocuvite. be good to your eyes. money managers are pretty much the same. all but while some push high commission investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that s why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. i m a small business, but i have. big dreams. and big plans. so how do i make the efforts of 8 employees. feel like 50? 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these are things that are very complicated to explain. but in order for our democracy to survive, we have to explain it. and we have to be vigilant. you say the pro-trump media tells a simple story. no collusion and the media is out to get him. what is the simple story you should be telling? what should trump critics be saying to counter that? what they should be saying is by the way, i think we re in a place right now where it s almost impossible to reach those people. they are set in cement in a way. they keep getting reinforced. but that doesn t mean that the mainstream media who reaches the other 60% or 65%, whatever that number is, shouldn t keep at explaining to those people what the truth is. what s going on. at some point at some point right now you don t see republicans in congress willing to step up and say anything. you see people like jeff flake and even now tray gowdy. but they re on their way out. you don t see anybody in congress and wants to stay in congress saying anything of any real value in terms of the truth. at some point, if the press does their job and if that drumbeat stays there, eventually we will see little cracks that bust up through the cement. it can happen. hold on. aren t you just as set in your ways, your views, set in cement as the trump supporters you are critiquing? no. what i have discovered in this effort to try to get the truth out about this invasion of our country by the russians is i have gotten really close with some good republican friends. principled, thoughtful republicans like david fromm. i talk to them. we may disagree. we do disagree on policy issues. but the one thing we agree on is loving this country and standing up for democracy and the rule of law. that we can exchange ideas. to me, we will not have a healthy democracy until we was a healthy, strong republican party and democratic party. you know what happens every time you give tv interviews? conservative websites write all about you. libtards. do you like that? you know, i don t even follow any of that stuff. they are going to god bless them. as we are talking, they hate my guts. i lost half my audience because of that. that s fine. is that what they say? i m sure. half the people hate my guts. they don t want to watch what i have to say or the movies i make that talk about any of this. i m at this point in my life where i just have to speak out. i have to say what i believe. i don t i know what s true. we know propaganda works. every single administration, republican, democrat, all traffic in propaganda either to sell policy or to sell a rational to go to war. the difference is, we got a president now who is backed up by essentially state-run immediamedia with fox and breitbart and alex jones. not literally state-run. i said essentially. which is supportive. they got people like shepard smith who is not running the company line. essentially. that s a big, big difference. i spent a lot of time talking to intelligence experts who tell me it s not so much spreading the lie and getting to believe the lie, it s getting them to be confused. to throw up a lot of smoke and get them to be confused. that s happening. yes. t don t worry. daddy will take care of you. what does it mean to own the news? 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i ask because as of this week, at&t owns cnn. it s a first of its kind marriage. they own hbo, warner brothers, tbs, it s a deal that s been 20 months in the making and a deal opposed by candidate donald trump when it was announced. at&t is buying time warner and thus cnn, a deal we will not approve in my administration because it s too much concentration of power in the hands of too few. now fast forward a year. as you know, trump s justice department sued to block the deal on antitrust grounds. at&t suspected trump was playing politics. time warner thought he was trying to penalize cnn. the government denied that. now f forward to tuesday. the judge shredded the government s case handing at&t a decisive win. time warner said the suit was baseless to begin with. now, as of thursday, the deal is finally done. time warner is being renape ere warner media. i had questions about cnn and he had editorial independence. delivering the news is different from delivering phone calls. news divisions have a special place in people s lives. in this bitterly divided world, people need information and context. that means newsrooms need investment and support. reporters in those newsrooms need to trust that their employers have their back, whether in a war zone or a court of law or now even in a press conference. at the same time, viewers need to trust the parent company is not interfering in the coverage, the company is supporting the newsroom without second guessing. it s easy to lose trust when it se seems like the parent company is meddling. look no further than pittsburgh where community leaders are outraged by the firing of cartoonist rob rogers. fired for being anti-trump. rob rogers, the political cartoonist for the pittsburgh post gazette was fired. he had been on the job for a quarter century. his editor turned down 19 of his political cartoons since march. they were trying to tamp down the voice that i was having about being critical of trump. the paper and its ownership is under scrutiny. the same is true out west in denver where the hedge fund in control of the dinner post has been cutting staff while reaping big profits. the newsroom rose up in protest this year. today there is breaking news. eight formerers are launching a new website. competition. criticism. accountability. owning a news outlet, sometimes means there are protests outside your office. it also means providing a valuable public service. do the a bosses know they are buying? they say they do. on friday, he gave his first int interview. when we asked about cnn he said, it is not lost on me that this particular part of the business is unique and different than every other part of the business. it has a special social responsibility. thus, he said, he has a new responsibility. he said he doesn t see cnn s leadership or editorial processes changing. cnn president jeff zucker will remain in charge. stankey said the only way democracy functioning well is with a well-informed and educated electorate. he says he sees his role as getting it in front of more people. those are welcome words to staffers here. on the business side, the are opportunities for new mobile products, more customizable websites. on the editorial side, well, staffers just want to be sure the new bosses can withstand the heat, they can shrug off an advertiser s complaints or a president s attacks. that s the challenge for at&t. that s what it means to own the news. a quick note here. stan stankey will join us tomorrow morning. we will talk about him about the new job. up next, another angle about the media business. it s about vice. vice media. shane smith has enjoyed unmatched hype but a new article says the bubble is bursting. the author of the piece joins me next. since my stroke, he hasn t left my side. with the right steps, 80% of recurrent ischemic strokes could be prevent. a bayer aspirin regimen is one step to help prevent another stroke. so, i m doing all i can to stay in his life. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. at&t provides edge-to-edge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your manufacturing business. & so this won t happen. because you ve made sure this sensor and this machine are integrated. & she can talk to him, & yes. atta, boy. some people assign genders to machines. and yocan be sure you won t have any problems. except for the daily theft of your danish. not cool! at&t provides edge to edge intelligence. it can do so much for your business, the list goes on and on. that s the power of &. & this shipment will be delivered. rawwggwwrughh! well, i told you they wouldn t have it. rawwggwwrughh! it s ok, it s ok. we ve got time. 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i think, you know, vice was a brand, a magazine for a while that was kind of built on cool. and at this moment that it became cool, a lot of other big media organizations and investors sort of thought, you know, maybe this is something we can scale into something much bigger. maybe you can scale coolintoa big multinational global media organization. there s a company kind of built on hype for a long time, and i think more recently, they have discovered they kind of have to deal with a lot of the realities that many other media organizations are dealing with. how much of this has to do with shane smith, the company s co founder, a larger than life presence, who really promised the world, but then a couple months ago surprised everybody by stepping down as ceo? yeah. i think shane gets the certainly the bulk of the credit. he s by all accounts a remarkable pitchman, a remarkable salesman. and, you know, a lot of credit tirks will give him credit. disney a & e offered vice a cable channel. is shane smith supposed to say no to that? i thought it was interesting, there was a comparison between shane myth and donald trump, both love to major huge promises and big deals. tell me about that comparison. i think someone tells told me that vice was the media equivalent of putting gold lettering on crumby condos which i think was a little too critical of it. but shane is has been out there kind of selling something, and i think to a certain degree, he believes it. like, and there s in some way in which vice has produced great things and has fulfilled what it has set out to do in certain ways, but ultimately you have to kind of deliver on the promises that you make. and it has to be more than just a story you re telling. so i guess the point is, selling this hard partying, edgy brand, getting advertisers to come on board, helping advertisers reach young people, all that works for a while, and to some extent you can create great journalism on the back of that ad agency, but there are limits to the growth and vice is experiencing those limits. they re definitely experiencing the limits, and i think that sales pitch doesn t work any more. you know, for one thing, shane himself is in his late 40s, he doesn t necessarily want to go out and party with marketing executives any more, and that s not the pitch. the pitch is not where the cool, edgy brand. we re the brand that is speaking to the woke generation. we are you know, they re now claiming a much broader audience, and so it s going to be a tricky sort of path for them to go down of maintaining that while also, you know, trying to expand. vice media s view says they feel reaves story is about the past. nancy de duke took charge to turn things around. cnn decided to broadcast the last two episodes of parts unknown featuring anthony bourdain. the first is tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern time here on cnn. we ll see you back here this time next week for more reliable sources. at some point, we are going to be able to beat als. because life is amazing. so i am hoping f i want this, to uh, to be a reality. um, yeah. remember sleep before smart phones? 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together while at the same time being sure that we have a very powerful, very strong border and border security will be equal if not greater than previously. so we re going to have strong, very strong borders, but we re going to keep the families together. i didn t like the sight or the feeling of families being separated. it s a problem that s gone on for many years as you know, through many administrations, and we re working very hard on immigration. it s been it s left out in the cold. ivanka feels very strongly, my wife feels very strongly about it. i feel very strongly about it. i think anybody with a heart would feel very strongly about it. we don t like to see families separated. at the same time, we don t want people coming into our country illegally. this takes care of the problem. trump halting a policy that he defended as recently as this morning. and that aides confirm he still believes in. only after a congressional revolt on capitol hill that included dozens of republicans, threats of boycotts from companies that do business with the federal government, and withering criticism from trump voices in the media. the announcement came 14 1/2 hours after the associated press broke the news that the trump administration has set up at least three tender age shelters where it can lock up babies and other young children. doctors and lawyers who visited those shellsters said the children were hysterical crying and acting out. many of them are under the age of 5 and some are so young they have not yet learned to talk. locked up, sounds a lot like jail for babies. let that sink in. the new york times report being, kwoelt, while mr. trump s actions appear to stop short of calls for an end to the zero-tolerance policy, it would be a remarkable retreat for the president who has steadfastly refused to a poll on almost any other context and it would be a testament to the political power of the images of the immigrant children to move public opinion. people close to the president said he remains convinced his immigration policies are appropriate and necessary, but mr. trump is said to be increasingly frustrated by the criticism he s getting and aware he is boxed in by the legal argument his administration has made. speaking of boxes, here s the one trump put himself in over the last couple of days. wait, wait, you can t do it to an executive order. we have to get the democrats to go ahead and work with us. i say it s very strongly the democrats fault all we need is good legislation and we can have it taken care of. we can do this very quickly if the democrats come to the table. here to take us through the day s extraordinary developments, nbc s jacob soboroff is in mcallen texas. also msnbc news chief white house correspondent hallie jackson joins us. former u.s. attorney joyce vance is here. with us at the table john heilman, and selena maximum well, director of programming for sirius xm. hallie jackson, i m struck by some of the words the president used. he talked about not liking to see the images of the families. the striking of syria came after he saw the images of children gassed. multiple news organizations reported the pdb includes a lot of charts and graphs. we know this president processes information visually, but we also know he s incredibly focused on negative press. what was the tipping point for the president in this complete about face? and it is a reversal, na k nicolle, let s not call it anything else despite his insistence he will continue this zero-tolerance policy which triggered the high rate in the first place. we had an intersection here, visuals and negative coverage. this was the a pelicapex of bot those things. not negative because the media was trying to make it negative. the president s closest allies on capitol hill, people who have stood up for him time and time and kitime again as i ve watche this administration came out and said, this iwrong, the white house needs to change it. the president was hearing those voices. he was seeing those pictures, hearing that audio and he was hearing i think importantly, nicolle, from both ivaa trump and melania trump. you reference the situation in syria. remember who was also a voice then that the president talked about, his daughter, his seenni advisor, ivanka trump at the time the kids being gassed talked about how disturbing she found the images. ivanka trump didn t actually say that publicly. she did not come out and take a stand publicly in opposition to this policy until after the president signed that executive order. unlike melania trump the first lady who did. here s the bottom line. the political pressure built so much, it became so intense along with the pressure of the president s family he signed this. don t forget what happens three hours from now. the president goes to minnesotas, he s going to be standing in front of a crowd cheering him on every step of the way. i imagine the this during the campaign is going to talk at length about the executive order he signed. he will cast it as he was being as he did today, being compassionate and helping these families because he didn t like the sights and feelings to use his words of this, and he s going to say he didn t back down. as he said today, is the prediction based on our reporting. again, this is a policy the president himself put in place. five days ago you played that clip very quickly, but it s worth highlighting, he said an executive action could not fix this. i was just up inside the west wing and i asked one official, what changed? did you get new legal advice? did you get new legal guidance? what happened? there was no solid answer on that. we re going to report out, but it is worth noting how quickly this happened. jacob soboroff, you ve been doing some of the most extraordinary reporting anywhere and asking the questions we finally got one of the answers to last night, where are the girls, where are the babies. last night just before 10:00 p.m., just before rachel maddow s hour ended we got our answer. the babies are in three tender age shelters for babies. can you talk about the ground truth where you are? well, here s the thing, nicolle. we know where some of the babies are. they re the only three tender age, which is a strange term but it s the only those are the only three shelters of tender age babies, infants, toddlers that we know about. they certainly aren t the only ones and we know there are a hundred shelters run by h.h.s. across the entire country across 17 states. we ve been hearing reports today as chris hayes was just mentioning in the previous hour, all the way up to new york state where young children might be located. so, there are 2,500 kids dispersed throughout the united states of america not just here in south texas, including the same kind of toddlers that i saw in that detention facility here in mcallen. we don t know where they are. not only do we not know where they are. we don t know if they will ever be reunited with their parents again because according to a former i.c.e. official who talked to julia ainsley, they could become essentially immigrant orphans. those parents could be deported and not have the resources to come back and find those children. so, the sickening images and feelings that many of us felt over the course of the last week or so haven t gone away. we should remember that when we watch the signing ceremony today. jacob, let me put up the video. we have some of that video that you re referencing. this is from new york one, video of children being brought to new york. this is after midnight last night. here are some of the girls and some of the children. there you go, exactly. let me ask you about this sort of sense from the president that he fixed this. there are still thousands of children as you just said who may never be reunited with their parents. what is the process now, even if the practice stops, there are still thousands of children separated from their parents who are on their way to deportation. what is the process? what are people supposed to do? i was thinking we can t always keep track of people we release from gitmo and they re terrorists. there is no process. this has never been done before. there wasn t an official process when this zero tolerance policy was even in place. all there was was a piece of paper call the 1-800 number press 1 for english, 2 for spanish. whatever the case may be. there is certainly no process for going back in time and finding those kids that are inside those shelters. i was just thinking about what happens to the kids today that have been separated from their parents already and they re sitting in the dee tngs center here in mcallen or one of the detention centers across the country and they re caught in this limbo between when the executive order was signed and the policy stops and they re still in detention. how do you reunite with those children, where do they go? cal perry, let me bring you up on that question and pickup the thread and answer this. these are people in the case of the asylum seekers committed no crime at all. they came to a country that used to be a beacon for freedom, they used to accept people coming to this country seeking asylum. the fact that they re being treated in this manner, their children were ripped from their arms and now they stand a pretty serious risk of never being reunited with their very young children in some instances, where do we go from here? and the kids are alone. we ve seen two buses that have come in just in the past hour packed with kids. and here s the other thing. the other thing i just can t shake is that everyone is lying. i mean, the president is lying. the heads of the agencies are lying. i ve been lied to by the border officers here. we ve been pushed around all day. we were told, our crew was told saturday night, there s nothing happening here. there s no tents here. there s at least 18 tents. there s at least 400 kids in this wired compound behind me. there is not a plan really on how to feed them, how to get them water, how to give them ice. i saw a party ice truck arrive last night. so, the process is not in place as jacob was saying. the process is just not there to handle the influx of what we ve seen because of the policy that s been put in place. this tent city would not exist if the policy hadn t changed on behalf of the president. what happens now, we talked about this a little bit earlier in the day. it s quite possible that some of these kids, whether or not they re reunited with their parents, are going to end up on air force bases across the south of this country. those are incredibly inhospitable places. those are the last places we want to take someone who has just come to this country and say welcome to america, welcome to fort bliss. cal, you mentioned people that have lied. let me show you some of those people. let s talk about that on the other side. i would cite you to the apostle paul and his clear and wise command in romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because god has ordained the government for his purposes. i can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law. that is actually repeated a number of times throughout the bible. but the separation of illegal alien families is the product of the same legal loopholes that democrats refuse to close and these laws are the same that have been on the books for over a decade. and the president is simply enforcing them. congress and the courts created this problem and congress alone can fix it. this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. so, cal, let s fact check that together. the separation of illegal alien families is a loop hole democrats refuse to close. not true from sarah sanders. secretary nielsen, congress and the courts created this system, congress alone can fix it. not true. secretary nielsen, this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. yes, it did. so, can you talk about how all these individuals were thrown under the bus in some ways by the president going out and doing exactly what they have insisted for days they couldn t do? and many, many more, right? a minimum age of 4 years old to be separated from your family and then we see pictures of toddlers. it s theater and the concern is really, i think for many people i m sure for yourself included it seems to me the president just wants to move past the theater. take syria, for example. those airstrikes really did prop up bashar al-assad. they really did make him the most powerful force in syria. and they proved that as long as the russians are there, the americans can only do so much. it feels like this executive order and again, i will wait to see what it really is feels like the president is trying to push past the drama that is us on television saying that this is unacceptable. i said this to you in an e-mail. you know, i come from covering these things overseas where governments lie to me all the time. and i just have to say, you know, being here and being an assistant to jacob, it s crazy. it s crazy, nicolle. joyce, you ve been making calls all day about the process families might go through to be reunited. what have you learned and do you have any information to pass along for our viewers? so, i think it will be a difficult process. i.c.e. will have to come up with some mechanism for reuniting families, for bringing children who have now been put throughout the united states, finding their parents, many of them now in foreign countries with language difficulties together. and to put it kindly, i.c.e. is going to have to build that airplane while they re flying it. these will be difficult pictures to put back together much like what happened in europe at the end of world war ii where displaced people were all over with no clear plan in place to put them together again. i don t think we re much better off than that. and the problem is attorney general sessions wandered into this policy without thinking in advance and without preparing i.c.e. and d.o.j. agencies for how they would reunify the children with their families. it s almost as though no thought was given to that in advance. joyce, i m just gob smacked to hear you talk about post-world war ii. you had laura bush talking about the japanese internment camps former cia director mike hayden talking about concentration camps. i m going ask you something i ve asked guests all week. are we still the same country that we were before this crisis? you know, i think we all have to believe that in our hearts, our people are good and we will reclaim the sort of vision that we ve always had in this country. but we are flirting perilously with authoritarianism and anti-immigration policies. we saw this during world war ii, or at least those of us who are old enough to remember would remember in world war ii when there was japanese internment across this country. that s not something that we re proud of and that we want to see again. and so we ll have to, i think, reforge those beliefs and those values and reaffirm our commitment to them because we have wandered into dangerous territory here. heilman? i have found the last week or so and particularly the last 48 hours or so, some of the most disheartening and appalling period of my entire adult life covering politics and watching what s been happening in this country. what happened today is really an easy story. the president bowed to political pressure. we have not seen him do that often. we have seen many politicians do it. the president usually tries to push his way through. it was undeniably intense and he folded. it s great. it should be heartening to some people that it is possible for this president to be pressured to stop from doing vile things. at the same time, he is going to and is already trying to have it both ways. we have seen him for days say, you can t solve this with an executive order, and then sit there today on television and say, hey, i have an executive order. he has pitched him self as the villain in a way that he likes for days. yesterday when he used the phrase infestation, it called to mind it was basically saying immigrants, people who come to this country are vermin. that s what he s saying. it s the language of white nationalist, splinter hard right crazy town parties. and we have haven t heard it in our politics in a long time. we ve heard it in our politics in history, but not in a while. he s going to go he s going to use that language between now and november because he thinks it works with the part of his group, of his base. he s also going to try to be a hero and say what he said today. oh, compassion, the word compassion. i like how he talked about the word compression. can t actually express compassion. it has something to do with the word compassion. it is our job in the press and also the job of democrats to not let the president have it both ways on this issue and to make sure that he can t be both. you can t just do this thing and then stand up and say, oh, hey, i m now the hero, i have compassion. huh-uh, you can t go around talking about people like they re vermin, you can t inflict this kind of pofl si on americans and not pay a political price. we have a great chance to inflict one on him and his party in november. meaning the democrat party. i m not part of the democratic party, but people who object to this policy, which i think is a lot of people beyond the democratic party have a chance to make the president and his party pay a price and they should. the press needs to hold him accountable and not let him slide away from this the next course of days and let this happen. i ve never seen you like this before. you give me a lump in my throat a little bit. i want to ask you a serious question. do you think the president actually felt something when he saw those pictures? do you think he just got caught being horrific? i don t know. i can t be inside the man s head. on the basis of the way he s been talking about this issue with such zeal and such pride up until a few hours ago, it does not strike me that nothing in the way he talked about it again, he talked about compassion. not expressing it, not showing it, not demonstrating it, but just kind of using the word. and even objectifying in some sense the word. compassion, that s what he said. it did not feel super heart felt to me and i ll say one other thing which i think is important. you know, we in the press tend to be like little kids on the socc soccer field. we chase the ball whichever way it s running. we have a country that is that has amnesia about these things. people say we678 to stay foc ha focused on the reunification on these families. there are people kids have been drugged, people alleging sexual abuse in these centers. we have to stay on those stories, and not just let him get away with it and act like it didn t happen, but to stay on this story because the consequence of this story going forward for sthoothese children whether these allegations are true or not are significant. we cannot lapse into our normal patterns of amnesia and soccer ballism that we often do. so, john makes a good point, but i want your thoughts on the same question. i just don t accept that he saw the images and didn t like them because the images were available yesterday. jacob soboroff has been at the border for days. the images have been everywhere for a long time. i think he didn t like the bad press as hallie jackson reported out for nbc news. i don t accept on any level he was bothered by any of this. i think it was a policy he ran on. that steve bannon was speaking for him on sunday on the sunday shows with jonathan carl where he said this is the law. i don t buy for a second that he changed his mind, that he was moved by anything he saw. i think he knew he was screwed politically and that for once, even some of his safe spaces on fox news and other places, were not going to be there for him. he got caught being horrific. he made a political calculation, not a moral one. and i think that, you know, this is the culmination of my greatest fears. we had so many brain storms during the campaign where we would, you know, posit out what the worst case scenarios could be. certainly internment camps of undocumented people were among the brain stormed ideas. i never in a million years would imagine we would have babies in cages. that is beyond the pale. he made a political calculation because there are republicans in swing districts, how are they going to go out and campaign and defend babies incarcerated? that s the reality we re living in. it s the combination of both white nationalist racism making the policy and complete and total incompetence to be able to at least try to track family members because how is a six-month old baby going to tell a border official that this is my mother when they can t speak? it s completely ridiculous. all right. jacob soboroff, kyle perry and halle berry. on dateline sunday, dividing line all about the crisis on the border. i will be watching. when we come back, filling the leadership vacuum, some not has to do t. the swift est protest to the hard line immigration policies coming from american businesses. also ahead, the president s war on justice opens a new front. rudy giuliani calling the mueller probe a kangaroo court. . . it s single-origin kenyan coffee from the nyeri highlands, 6,000 feet above sea level. but how do you really know that the beans journeyed to the port of mombasa and across the pacific? that you can trust they re 100% authentic? ibm blockchain. a smart way to track every step, ensuring this coffee did indeed come from 6,000 feet above sea level. and not a foot lower. now that i m on my way do you still think i m crazy standing here today i couldn t make you love me applebee s 2 for $20, now with steak. now that s eatin good in the neighborhood. some of the loudest and perhaps some of the most effective protests against the president s child separation policy came from the business community. american airlines is one of four carriers announcing today that they are asking the federal government not to use its flights to transport migrant children separated from their families. just in last few minutes, delta adding its name to the list you re looking at. in a statement, american airlines saying, quote, we have no desire to be associated with separating families or worse to profit from it. we have every expectation the government will comply with our request and we thank them for doing so. the new york times reports today on an open letter posted to microsoft s internal message board tuesday with more than 100 employees protesting the company s work with immigration and customs enforcement or i.c.e.. the letter reads in part, quote, we believe that microsoft must take an ethical stand and put children and families above profits. the letter pointed to a $19.4 million contract that microsoft has with ice. and some of the biggest names in hollywood are lashing out at fox over its association with fox news and that channel s defense of the president s policies. the co-creator of modern family which is produced by 20th century fox saying he s disgusted to work at a company that has anything whatsoever to do with fox news. joining us at the table jeremy peters the new york times political reporter and sam stein, politics editor for the daily beast. the base doesn t care, the base doesn t care, but donald trump cares a whole lot about what he views as sort of his former circle, business leaders in this country think. and i remember distinctly after charlottesville, it was the parting ways of business leaders that offended him more than any of the rebukes from civil rights leaders or anyone in the press or anyone in congress. there were resignations from all his forums and committees. i think he does respond to that. i think just more cosmically, he doesn t like bad stories. and this was about as bad a story as we could get, as bad a story that has accompanied his presidency really. so, it was just the deluge of media attention. i think the only thing that probably prevented it from happening sooner, the president changing his mind, i mean, is that we didn t have images. we had some images. we had government sanctioned-approved images but we didn t have the same types the unfiltered independent film and video of what was really going on in these centers. i can t help but wonder if that was intentional on the part of the government agencies that wanted to keep this in place because this president is highly image responsive. and seeing that probably would have accelerated this process. are you really wondering? really wondering? just pick up on the conversation we had, i think he just got caught doing exactly what he wanted to do. i think your theory is exactly the point. if we hadn t seen those images, if we hadn t heard the audio of childr children wailing, if the a.p. hadn t reported there were three basically prisons for locking up infants and toddlers, i don t think he would have changed he didn t blink because he had some sort of wave of morality. he blinked for the reasons you just said. he didn t like losing control of the narrative. it s a bad story, bad publicity. he doesn t like bad publicity. at his core, he s a guy who is image conscious, right? and he knows when he s getting hammered. this is about as bad as we ve ever seen him get hammered. to be clear, we still have not seen anything like the real images of what is going on in these facilities because in most cases cameras have independent cameras have not beenllowed in. when you hear as jacob soboroff heard yesterday, we ll show you a picture from 2016 and we might get you pictures from a current date, like 48 hourtz, you have to be an idiot to not think there is a cover up of the press should be allowed into those facilities. senators are being barred from going into these facilities. it happened to merkley earlier. this is a group of people who realize that if the truth were shown, the palomino i can tours were shown of what s really going on in these centers, we would be the country in a widespread way would be horrified and there is no other explanation for it. why would you not let a camera in if it was all going to be fine? why would you offer a picture from 2016 if the pictures of the current day are not mortifying? there is no other explanation. why isn t there a call on capitol hill to investigate the humanitarian crisis at the border? this gets to your lead-in, which is why are corporate boycotts so significant. they reflect the inability of politicians to actually do anything to counteract what s happening. the ineffectual neness of congr is on full display. what they re decide sergio garcia should we tuck this into a larger immigration bill that certainly won t pass or should we do one thing we know the president can do on his own administratively and that just underscores how little is being done on the hill. so, to answer the question, why are we not hearing calls for an investigation? because congress is paralyzed by all this. are they paralyzed or are they i mean, paralysis suggests they re frozen in place and can t move. is it they can t or that they won t? i don t know. that s a really good question. i think part of it is they won t. there is an immense amount of fear why not? hasn t he revealed himself enough now? we ve seen smatterring of these polls. there is one group that appreciates the policy of separation and it s republicans. it s not minor appreciation. it s a modest appreciation people who voted for trump in the primary, two-thirds support the policy. if you re a sitting republican and you re staring at this issue in the face and you are cowardly, and you don t want to risk your political hyde, you don t put your neck out there and say we should cross the president. what you re seeing is you should hold a baby that s cool, i m hearing you both. but if you re going to do that, if you re going to leave your soul back at the soul center where they handed them out years ago when the republicans still had them, you should go to a center and hold a baby. yeah. ahold a crying baby. that should be the price you pay for your silence. a last, no one is forcing them to make that we don t see any of the cabinet secretaries, secretary nielsen among them going down to these detention facilities. we see trump going somewhere today, but it s to a political fund-raiser in minnesota, not near the border as he s dealing with this crisis. they don t want to be associated physically with this crisis. they want to deal with it at an arms length and they don t want to deal with it effectively at all. let us speak briefly about secretary nielsen who has in her white house appearance a couple days ago who said she had no idea where the babies were. the girls and the babies she had no idea. now we know they re at these three centers. is it really possible the secretary of d.h.s. did not know about those three facilities when she spoke to the press 48 hours ago? is that possible? doesn t seem that possible to me. again, another thing another thing that we need to not forget and another person in public life who needs to be held to account because i m certain she was lying to the press when she said she had no idea. yeah. we now know these facilities exist and what they re filled with which is the babies. babies that are locked up according to the a.p. joyce i hear you trying to jump in. well, i think it s important to remember how we got here, nicolle. we didn t get here as the president said earlier today, because of the 60-year-long crisis. we got here because the attorney general changed the policy direction to prosecutors, removing discretion and ordering them to charge every single misdemeanor case of unlawful entry into the united states. and it was the arrest of those parents who unlawfully entered for the first time, many of them in an effort to seek asylum, that led the criminal justice system to put their parents into custody, leaving the children to then fall into what i think you re appropriately characterizing as baby prisons. so, for the white house to so distance itself and try to claim that this is a long-term problem is wrong. everything that they ve told us about this has been a staged series of lies. and i think that we are rightfully entitled now to question whether they can be trusted to end this process and reunify these children with their families, or whether we need a bipartisan process of the hill with outside independent people who will over see this process, ensure it is appropriately resourced and concluded. all right. we are just getting started. when we come back we ll show you how some at the alternative facts network have 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this is where life meets legal. mounbatt this is cruelty as policy. this is an obscenity. the government and the president of the united states that we both love advocating a system by which young children are torn from their mothers. you have agreed with me, history will judge us, sean. history will judge us. we make take a stand on something. geraldo, we cannot condone this. when did we become the party of child abuse? he fau fault line of the bromance. not a safe haven for trump s immigration policy. steve schmidt taking to twitter this morning to announce he s leaving the republican party writing, 29 years and nine months ago i registered to vote and became a member of the republican party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life. today i renounce my membership in the republican party. it is fully the party of trump. right. like ronald reagan said, the democratic party left me a long time ago. i think the republican party left people like steve schmidt and nicolle wallace a long time ago. it almost raises the question a great question, good thing i m writing a book about this what is the republican party right now? it is the trump party. it is nothing but fealty going to be a short book. it is about fealty to the individual, not the policy. i went through and looked the other day at instances in which the republican electorate has reversed itself, and these are things like basic questions, like what is your opinion of vladimir putin, positive or negative? number of republicans whose positive opinion of vladimir putin has tripled since donald trump became president. on questions like whether or not morality and public life is important. overwhelming number of republicans no longer say that s the case. selena? i want to say there is a connection between the rhetoric of the past and what s happening right now. it s just more explicit. donald trump normalized racism during the campaign and so he said openly racist things without using dog whistles. when we talked about border security that was i dog whistle to certain constituents in the republican base that did not want brown people crossing the border, did not want the browning of the united states and of the american population. and so i think it s important that we make that connection because it s not that this republican party is overall different than what we saw in the past. it is more racist and explicit. let me push back gently. i take your point and i don t disagree with it. i think one distinction is one of the people pushing back used to be republican presidents. i mean you had bush 41. you had george w. bush. i went to the border with george w. bush multiple times. he pushed back against his own party. right. then press secretary tony snow who had come from fox news, the late great tony snow would go on fox and defend george w. bush s belief in comprehensive immigration reform. so, the difference is those elements, i agree with you, we re always in the republican party a hsien loong tilong, lon democratic party, too. you saw the people at the top pushing back reagan signed the greatest immigration amnesty in history, your boss, the first time ever i met him in texas at a governor s race going to a hispanic soccer game in a district he wasn t getting any votes. speaking spanish to 9-year-old hispanic kids playing soccer. right. there were a lot of problems with your boss, with your former boss. of course. on this issue he was governor of texas. his attitude was i m going to lose all these votes for dan richards. i m going to campaign for him. when i win i want to be governor of the hispanic part of the state, too. it was a different party in that respect. part of what is contributing to this, the reason we played the geraldo clip, the echo chambers allow donald trump to go out and create an entire eco system which creates a positive feedback loop. he doesn t have to venture outside his comfort zone. when he does he reverses course. i remember during the bush years your boss got pilloried by fox. i remember marco rubio went on talk radio and got hammered for this stuff but he did it anyway. trump doesn t venture outside his echo chamber. he doesn t talk to people outside the fox news conservative online bubble. that is what s sort of enforcing some of these tendencies. he does. but he disregards what they say. he does not. he does only friendly interviews. the last time he did an adversarial tv interview, adversarial he did the singapore thing with news outlets. he talks to a wider range of people than we know. the people reporters he talks to off the record, it s not like he s only calling up fox news. it s more he doesn t care to sam s point no one in the public sees him anywhere other than in a friendly media setting. look, the reality is that stephen miller who was the architect of this policy as much as anyone who donald trump listens to more than anyone on this topic goes to the new york times and says, on this issue he thinks it s a 90/10 issue for republicans. he defines it are you open for borders or border security. he s in the new york times two days ago saying this is a 90/10 issue for republicans. that speaks to the bubble. the political peril for the president going down this path which he learned a little today there is political peril here. because stephen miller is out of his mind if he thinks this policy is a policy that 90% of americans i would say it s not a policy 90% of republicans support. we saw last week. it is not only a question of outputs, but a question of input. do we know any immigration advocate that sat down with this team stephen miller look at the cabinet meeting he had today. it was almost zlexclusively whi men. and restrictionist white men john kelly and stephen mi. if you have that as the only people as a sounding board, you ll produce policies that end up just like this. i don t think president bush was like that. president obama prided himself on not being like that. i think we ve gotten to a place where it s not just tribalism. we ve created these eco systems we refuse to branch out of. joyce, let me bring you in on this. usually this conversation is around the frame for the disregard of the rule of law. we ll get to that later in the show. let me ask you to speak to the per ills of living inside your bubble. just in the frame of civility, frame of humanity. those are the two things we as a country lost over the last ten days. you know, yesterday i joined more than 80 of my former u.s. attorney colleagues, a bipartisan group, in signing a letter asking the attorney general to rescind this policy. and something that was interesting that i felt like we regained in that process was the humanity that has always brought us together in past administrations where policy could be different and we could have arguments about that policy. but the respect for the rule of law in these fundamental beliefs that there were people who were entitled to their rights as human beings and the actions of your boss obviously whose policies i didn t always agree with, but who on border issues respected the fundamental integrity of human beings, their rights as individuals, we ve lost that in many ways. processes like the one i was involved in over the weekend with my bipartisan colleagues remind us how important it is to understand the american principles that we re giving up on when we have these kind of haphazard border policies. after the break, it turns out donald trump can multi task. while many were focused on the tragedy at the border, the president managed to keep up his smear campaign against the d.o.j. and the fbi. we ll bring you the latest. hey blue. you don t really believe it. and then you see one for the first time. it s a miracle. 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in a kangaroo court. i certainly won t sit down with him with these questions still lingering about whether these people are a kangaroo court and a firing squad. who in his right mind would put his client in front of people like that? people like that, joyce vance, bob mueller served as fbi director under democratic and republican president. firing squad and a kangaroo court? this feels new and this feels like a moment that should not go noted as anything less than a disgrace. i think that s absolutely right. the american people have come to know bob mueller over the last months. this is a career public servant. he served in the military. he served in the justice department. always somebody willing to sacrifice fame and fortunate in order to go back and serve justice. i can t really imagine anyone from really imagine from my 25-plus years in the justice department who had a more sterling reputation for integrity. and rudy giuliani of all people who served in certain administrations a long time mueller he knows this. it is another lie coming were the administration. the goal is to run a pr campaign so that the american people will not believe mueller s report or criminal convictions he obtains in prison. and it s shameful. and i guess my point is, the trump era will end. i guess rudy giuliani has enough money that what makes you say that? well at most he will be president for seven more years. and the trump era will end and rudy giuliani will have called bob mueller someone who ran a kangaroo court. history probablient won t be very kind to this moment in rudy giuliani s career. to be honest and not to be too cynical about it what he is doing has proven effective. effective of what, though? no one knows what bob mueller has got. if the goal is a pr campaign, if you look at any public data back up. why do we all accept the premise that a pr campaign is sufficient? it could all be undone by the actual findings which are trump everything. no pun intended. yeah. if the goal is to tarnish mueller he is doing an effective job. one thing we found in a survey we did was the opinion of mueller is low, and in particular with fox news audiences. part of it is because rudy giuliani goes on there and trashes it. the president does, too. calls them corrupt and liars and fakers. here s the thing. it doesn t mart what the results of the investigation are how do you know that? what you don t know what they are? because it doesn t matter. dead hookers in the hudson? i don t accept that. i m sorry, i don t accept that at this table. we do not know. the mueller probe is voiceless. they can t defend the rule of law, can t defend the investigation. but the fact is bob mueller fired the client who tweeted about making sure donald trump couldn t win. they are using incidents that predate the mueller probe. to voice i think it s wrong to make assumptions that who is to say that a pr campaign is going to get him out of whatever mueller comes up with. the audience that rudy giuliani is speaking to. 2 million people? i would be surprised i m saying it is a subset of people for whom the facts just do not matter. the ultimate report might trump all. but think about this, there was a meeting at trump tower with top trump campaign officials and russian agents where they were promising dirt on hillary clinton. that is my many standards an act of collusion. right. and yet a huge a huge subset of the population believes there has been no collusion. right. listen, i don t think ultimately, that is superficial but i think to a agree it is notable. because if the country can t wrap its head around the fact that an act of collusion did happen i am worried they might not accept anything that the mueller investigation produces. i want to also take some time to answer this question for me. i think they know that the president is in a lot of trouble and i think this is a prebuttle. i think the known unknown is what mueller has them on. i agree. i hate trying to be the person in the middle of trying to figure out what the synthetic point of view is. with you i think the follow is true. we didn t know what mueller is going to come up. mueller knows thing none of us know. we don t n.o.w. know how devastating the report is going to be. they know what the president has done. they are in for a fight. has a judicial component and a political component. the part that s political they are playing like a political campaign. right. there is a set of findings that will en that s there is a set of findings that could be so irrefutable it will end the presidency no what the campaign is. it s more on the line, up for public dispute. if there is a fight let s be out there in a place where mueller s conclusions are bad but not devastating, negative but not conclusive how do we win that fight in the court of public opinion and can we get 47, even 38, 39, if we can come in with a hard core 40 behind us and then try to fight for enough just to hold on to power, that might be a winning strategy. but i agree with you, we shouldn t assume that mueller s not going to come in with a slam dunk case where everyone is going to go okay, sorry, all of this has mott meant anything. let me give joyce the last word here. i have been talking with former justice department officials who say don t confuse vicelessness with powerlessness that bob mueller holdsall all of the cards and the fact that s running a leak-free, a silent investigation that s investigating potential crimes committed during the 2016 election and during the trump presidency means that the silence is what is triggering this lunacy. not any leak that they have anything on the president and not that a pr campaign is sufficient defense from whatever is coming. i think you are exactly right. this is a lot like watching a trial in show motion where all of the evidence comes out to the jury without any effort to argue it. they just hear the facts. so we are not hearing all of the facts. but we do see the tip of the iceberg. and we ve started to here what i ll call the defendant s closing argument. this is giuliani and trump going out and saying we have no conclusion. what we haven t heard yet is the prosecution s closing at of the you saw this so many times in a trial. the jury heard the evidence and the defendant s version but when the prosecution tied it all together. mueller s report to congress will be that closing at and i think the american people will sit up and take notice. i m with you, joyce. always. we have to sneak in our very last break. we ll be right back. i was just excited for it to be over. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it s been prescribed to more than a quarter million people and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks. certain patients can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. before starting harvoni your doctor will test to see if you ve ever had 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