seen it. he has uncanny ability to connect with their hopes and their desires. and like reagan, he reminds americans that what makes us special is our people. it s our freedom. it s not our government. and as for the so-called smart educated people who are now criticizing trump, i have a few questions. was it smart to enact policies that ended up enriching the repressive regime in china at the expense of american workers, american companies and american security? and was it smart to leave our borders open like swiss cheese allowing illegals to stream into the united states, taking american jobs, sad ling taxpayers with the cost of educating them, housing them, providing them with healthcare? was it smart to get into some wars that ended up draining our country of trillions of dollars, took the lives of so many of our finest men and women? was it smart to explode our foreign population not through a smart merit based immigration system but through the ludicrous policy polling and focus groups and discussions of how to say things that would make you popular against enormous odds by taking on the two-party duopoly the elites of both parties who have, let s face it, run the country into the ground. is he a genius. laura: maybe he doesn t pull over the latest biography or have plato s book on his table big deal. he had great school. he never pretended to be a great academic. not many people are. what did he do? he exposed and named the pretenders, those elites in politics, media and business who helped drive america in to a ditch no matter how badly their policies and ideas failed the people. those fraudsters are almost never held accountable. tired of seeing america lose, trump revealed their agendas, he named them, and he made us see them to be the fraud that they are. and by the way, they have been vengeful ever since furious? what s the point of being smart if you never learn. trump somebody someone needed to step up to be the voice of forgotten men and women. he beat all those campaigners with their focus group talking points and slick ad campaigns. it s smart to put americans and their interests first. donald trump is still out there listening to the people who count, you. i was in new york at a big event recently, and i take a lot of pictures with police and with firemen and with the military and one of the policemen came up, an officer and he said sir, i want to thank you, my 401(k) is through the roof. my wife thinks i m a brilliant investor. i have never seen anything like this. my wife is so happy. my family is so happy. laura: dumb? i don t think so. he is telling the stories that people want to hear. personalizing, sterile statistics, charts and graphs. real antidotes and though, you know, i have got to say thinking about dumb, i would feel pretty dumb if i had been one of those g.o.p. donors snickered into writing a million-dollar check into jeb bush s super pac. put down a payment on a house in georgetown because i was sure hillary clinton would win and i would be working in her administration there is a brilliance in trump s political strategy. perhaps its greatest instinct was a simple message that resonated most with his core supporters. build the wall that promise was sacrosanct and helped him get elected. the best thing trump can do is stick to his core campaign promises, especially that one. he is not going to fall, i don t think, for what the failed elites might be trying to sell him. they may have more political experience and a lot of them do, but he has better instincts than most of them and most americans will see that his thinking is exactly the type of unconventional thinking that at times is disruptive that we need right now. and that s the angle. joining me now for reaction is newt gingrich, former speaker of the house and a fox news contributor. newt, it s so good to have you back from rome. how are you? are you perpetually jet lagd? that s my question to you. no, no. it s fun. laura: let s talk about what they are trying to do, the usual suspect, you know all of them. you saw that tedious montage. trump is not smart. he is dumb. he doesn t read. et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. what s going on here? i mean the same people who have been passionately avoiding reality for three years are now entering a new year passionately avoiding reality. you know, there is a whole series of these things where i m working on a book right now called trump s america. there is a whole chapter of how wrong they are. whether it s somebody saying he couldn t possibly be elected, a number of people who said the stock market is going to crash the minute is he sworn. in you go back and you pick these people up. i have a standard rule. if i look at the sunday morning shows and all of the wonderful elite washington figures have agreeed that the sky is going to be blue. my assumption immediately is it s not because they are wrong so often. let s take a case of the current. there thought he made the putts and forgot that in fact it was helpful to have tiger woods. laura: as long as he didn t drive the car in alaska. the problem tiger had. if you think about it bannon thought that he had the skills that trump has. laura: he might run for president. reports that he could be running for president. he will get 3%. and be part of the continuation. i think actually this experience probably eliminates most of his support financially. laura: john cornyn senator for texas said the falling out for bannon may be a good thing for the republican party. what i m worried is the ricochet thing. bannon is a conservative populist. i agree with him on almost every issue. is he smart. is he a student of history. your honor what s behind these quotes. i m not going to get into that i don t want trump to take the bannon problem and take the lesson from that being i m not going to do these issues that, you know that we agreed on together. i think they are they were good together. i m not saying bannon was trump. trump, trump. they were good together. first of all i think steve miller. laura: i m trying to mend fences for people. good luck. laura: well, what can i do? i m trying. first of all, steven miller is the heart of. laura: love him. right. and he has all of bannon s upside and none of his downside. laura: quiet. he is there doing his job every single day. i have think he probably channels trump better than anybody in the country. second, i actually have this is like reagan. i remember as early as the summer of 82 conservatives going to lunch and heritage going oh my god reagan is selling us out. i have enormous faith reagan is reagan and trump is trump. he believes in this stuff. he believes in deregulation and cutting taxes. i don t worry about bannon leaving as long as trump stays. laura: sessions a couple congressman, meadows and jordan says sessions should probably step aside. might be time for him to step aside. what do you think about that? i think the attorney general sessions ought to have a very serious review of what he is doing. he has a department that has enormous problems. he can t recuse himself from all those problems and he ought to be if he were still in the senate, he would be really angry at him as attorney general. and i like jeff a lot. and. laura: me too. i hope he will decide that he is going to clean house and get the job done. laura: they are opening up a couple new investigations. we will see. newt gingrich love having you on. give my best to your do you call her ambassador or ambassadorress. she prefers you call her calista. laura: tell her i said hi. the sudden feud between bannon and the president we just talked about took another surprising turn today. we will talk to someone who has not spoken out on this issue in an exclusive. stay right here. you do not want to miss it. if he d taken tylenol, he d be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. 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during the presidential campaign, new york times best selling co-author of let trump be trump congratulations to dave bossie. great to see you. how are you doing, man. i m great. thank you for having me. laura: you are not in the white house. i am happy that our book is doing well. laura: so happy for you. let s talk about what s going on here the left is treating this like manna from heaven. book is now out tomorrow. they have set up the publication. this is like a pr this is a pr dream for every writer. the white house book shouldn t come out. threatening to sue. what s happened? this book seems to be national enquirer on steroids. laura: none of it is true. it s sensational journalism. it s not journalism. i m concerned about what is true and what isn t true. this author has a history of taking liberties with things. i m deeply concerned about what my friend steve bannon has said to this person. laura: he wasn t even at the campaign when this meeting took place. and the thing that meeting unpatriotic, fairly standard meeting anybody who is involved in a campaign. laura: treasonous has legal prerequisite. don jr. is a very patriotic man. i have spent a lot of time with him. he is the furthest thing from that. i take great umbrage. laura: he has not denied the comments but he also today said that like nothing is going to come between the trump agenda and me or breitbart setting him aside though, why would the white house think it was a good idea to allow michael wolff to park himself in the west wing lobby many times so forth. waiting for interviews. and then basically he was given cart blanche to talk to top aides. i know that because they have told me that. they were told by one individual who was, i guess, speaking for the president, talked to x,y, z and all tiewx. he has tapes. laura: the president said he had tapes too. that just came to mind. wolf is somebody who did have access. laura: why think michael wolff is going to do anything to help the trump agenda or frankly be fair. he was never going to be. laura: i don t know why they did that? it s one of the biggest mistakes. now we are off the agenda. we are not talking about the successful tax reform. laura: we next segment. i hope so. the president just has the momentum coming out of his tax reform package and the great bill and the economy is steaming along and then we get. laura: steve bannon lost his mind. look steve has his own views. i did the whole ingraham angle about the smarts of donald trump how he outfoxed everyone. great political instincts. best political instincts i have ever seen. laura: don t keep the news cycle going on a topic that s not helping you. i get it you want to defend yourself, i understand that. i get that. he is the best counter puncher we have ever seen. laura: also don t punch down. you don t. but when this book, these people, the mainstream media want to use everything at their disposal, the other cable networks are just salivating over it. laura: they are just selling more books now. that s all they are doing. that s what the game is about. make no about it. it s to fill michael wolff s pockets. laura: i didn t speak to michael wolff. i didn t speak to him. you didn t see a quote from me there. i don t talk to those people. i didn t see the book yet. laura: i know i m not quoted. let s talk about the elite s criticism of donald trump as disengaged as uninformed as now they are making the argument that he could have neurological problems. these articles are actually not appearing just in left-wing web sites either. but it s a joke. the president is incredibly well-educated, well-read and very smart guy. you don t get to be president of the united states if you are not. laura: dave bossie, congratulations on the book. so proud of you. it was a page turner. i gave a couple copies for christmas by the way. i still got to get to you sign them. thanks so much. and,. they are the dreamers. this must be done now. there is an urgent need. obama couldn t do it. bush couldn t do it. i think you can do it. there is a deal to be had. you want it bad enough, we will get it. we need a physical border wall. we are going to have a wall, remember that. we are going to have a wall. laura: as can you here jousting continues over creating a daca compromise. the president is determined to have a border wall and real enforcement. to give you a sense of what s at stake in the high cost of illegal immigration let s go to don rosenberg in call bass is a, california. his son drew was killed in a 2010 car crash by an illegal immigrant. he entered the country illegally. he was from honduras and ultimately given legal status because of that hurricane. when he came in, he came in illegally. now you don t have your son. don, it s always good to see you. but my heart always breaks for you anew every time i do see you because i know when you start hearing republicans obsess over amnesty for 800,000 people brought here when they were young, it s got to just wear on you. well, laura, thanks for having me. it certainly does. it s hard to believe that americans are willing to sacrifice other americans both jobs, lives, in deference to people ha are in the country illegally. and certainly it s all the democrats and now got a lot of republicans coming on board, too. it s absolutely outrageous and the public shouldn t stand for it. laura: you know, when i speak with families who have been so brutally affected by the scourge of illegal immigration, they have repeatedly said from california to nevada to texas, no one even bothered to ask us questions before donald trump. they didn t talk to us. they didn t sit down with us. they didn t give us a hug. didn t hear from president obama. didn t hear from george w. bush. trump was it for them. finally they had a voice. well, yeah. you couldn t be more accurate than that. i can tell from you so many of the people that i m now friends with, because we have lost somebody, you know, back in the obama days we wrote to him. i wrote to him twice. i had the letter delivered by someone in jeh johnson s staff, never even a condolence response back. i have written to many senators and congressman, no response think just ignore us. same with the media. new york times, chicago tribune. any of the tribune publications. they will run story after story. heart breaking story that some illegal alien being deported and all they did was embezzling money and then somebody gets killed. you will find it nowhere in the paper. laura: i call those immigration sob stories. i do them regularly on the radio. every illegal immigrant is a valedictorian or has rescued a cat from a tree. there is never an illegal imin most of these news accounts that s ever so much as jay walked. okay. so your stories, you know, the robberies, you know, and so when donald trump originally made that point, you know, talked about rape and so forth, they didn t like the way he phrased it but what he was getting at is, you are not receiving the full story on this. i m going to tell the story of those men and women and their families who have been so horrifically affected because these politicians haven t done their job. and i got to say, republicans, democrats watching this, your solemn duty is to the american people. the american people. not to the people of other countries who came here illegally but to legal immigrants and to american citizens. donald trump understands that i don t think he is going to you know, sell out people on immigration. if he does, he is over anyway. he is going to be done. if he sells us out on immigration, donald trump will not be reelected president of the united states. i can tell you that right now. i am talking as someone who is a great supporter of his. the problem is that the public doesn t really know what s going on because they are not being told. kate stein solid killed and half the country thinks she is the first person ever killed by illegal i will alien and the other half of the country never heard of her. the reality is we are talking over 50,000 deaths sips the last immigration reform and now they want to do the same thing. laura: no, no, no. it can t be the promise of enforcement and immediate amnesty. it never works. it didn t work before and won t work now. by the way you don t want to miss this next segment. a little notice story that could turn into huge news. and what fox news can now confirm about the reopening of, you got it, the hillary clinton email investigation next. really passionate about- i really want to help. i was on my way out of this life. there are patients out there that don t have a lot of time. finally, it was like the sun rose again and i was going to start fighting back now. when those patients come to me and say, you saved my life.. my life was saved by a two week old targeted therapy drug. that s what really drives me to- to save lives. hillary clinton s use of a private email server as secretary of state. investigators are examining how classified material ended up on her unsecured server. how much was sent, who sent it, and which of the original federal investigators knew about all of this. fox can also confirm that the justice department is also investigating whether the clinton foundation engaged in any pay-to-play scheme while hillary was secretary of state. two big developments. let s discuss all of this with peter schweizer, who is author of the new york times best seller clinton cash who is in tallahassee, florida. here with me in studio is philip reince former deputy assistant secretary of state to hillary clinton. it s great to see both of you. philip, let s start with you. the justice department and the fbi are taking another look, no matter how you phrase it. it looks like they are investigating this anew. what s your take. first start with the email server. listening to that it s amazing that the department of justice has any time to do anything else. i would say two things. first, i think there s a problem with the department justice and the fbi looking at something over and over again because there are people who don t like the outcome. this has been investigated and concluded. but i will say, this rather than fight it. have at it. if they want to look at it, we have nothing to fear. people who ho are innocent don t fire the fbi director. the second thing i would add if they are going to do this, expand it. it s been 6 to 9 years. let s see what s happened since. let s see about email practice and the system. there are people now, we have jared and ivanka who were caught using private email last year in the white house. i haven t heard anything about that. let s put them on that, too. let s have rudy giuliani and the new york field office. let s take a look at that. laura: you are a really smart guy. thank you. laura: i bet you didn t send email mail to a yahoo account or did you? did you ever send emails to another account that included any confidential or classified information like huma abedin did? did you ever do that? not to personal account but it s funny you ask. this is an email that i sent that has been classified. it s been redacted so i m not holding anything. this is an email that i sent to the secretary who doesn t reply. i don t say anything. but take a look at where it comes from. this has one of the most senior members of the white house as part of the sending group. why aren t we looking at this? we should be. because this is a systemic problem. this is on the internet. this was foiaed by judicial watch. laura: so your view is that there was deletion of emails, none of that at the department of state, when she was there, none of that was in any way problematic? i mean comey thought it was problematic. she has said it was dumb. laura: comey originally said it was i think prejudging it. i think you say he watered it down. laura: let s go to peter schweizer who wrote a book. you heard what philip said about this, if you want to do it, broaden the investigation into general email practices and then we will talk about the clinton foundation. yeah, no. i mean i think that s a good idea. i think there is a fundamental difference. there s a difference when collin paul as secretary of state was using an aol account occasionally for correspondence and setting up your own private server. why do you sit up a private server? if you have the aol account you can delete it on your laptop. it s on a server back at aol. the reason you set up a server, i believe the reason the clintons did is precisely because of what they did. they deleted 33,000 emails and turned only 30,000 over to the state department. the state department concluded not all those were personal emails. they deleted business related as well. i appreciate the spirit in which he is saying broaden the investigation. i would agree with that i do think there is a fundamental difference between having a server and private email account and just having private email account. we don t know that jared and ivanka trump don t have a server in their apartment. i agree. i think they can afford it. laura: i m sure they would be happy to answer that question. let s move onto the clinton foundation. now it looks like that s going to be examined again. and we know for a fact that people who are donors to the clinton foundation did seek to get access to mrs. clinton and in some cases did get access to mrs. clinton. just the appearance of that, i mean, are you a lawyer? no i m not. laura: the mere appearance of that is not good. having people who work both for the foundation and their consulting to their state department at the same time while they are trying to shepard people through to meetings with mrs. clinton. setting aside politics and all of that. appearance issues plague all politicians. but that one opens up so many questions and always did. it was a tough situation. you had never had a former president with a significant foundation doing good around the world married to a secretary of state. laura: why does the whole thing dry up after she doesn t become president? why. i don t think that s true. a lot of accusations made against the clinton foundation including mr. schweizer in clinton cash have been proven wrong. his in fact, ironically, he sat on this set with chris wallace when he wrote the book and chris, i brought it because it s unbelievable, chris wrote that clinton took no direction action was involved in any way in proving nine agencies of the company. peter had to admit he overreached when secretary clinton vetoed it. it s a 9 person agency it s not her decision. laura: why would if you are involved in giving money to the clinton foundation that s great. that doesn t look good. why would millions of dollars. because when you. laura: be funneled to the clinton foundation when there were pending matters before the state department and important matters with the government? we can go through all of them. they are well-known. why would they do that? why? well, i think a couple things. first of all nothing was funneled. things were donated and made public. they made every penny public. laura: peter has to respond to what you just said about the book. go ahead what philippe had charged. it s not true with all due respect. $2.35 million donation from the chairman of uranium one as the deal was being approved was not disclosed by the clinton foundation. and the clinton foundation had to admit that even though you signed an agreement with president obama saying you were going to disclose every penny. and, you know, call me unfair but i don t know how you misplace a 2.35-million-dollar donation from the chairman of the uranium company has approval sale to russia is being approved at that very time. you wrote secretary clinton had veto power over the deal and you had to take that back. no i did not. read the book. you said the state department overreached. no, i did not. what i said in the book was that there were nine government agencies that approved the deal. if any of those agencies, including the state department don t agree with the deal, the deal gets halted and kicked up to the president for review. and by the way three go ahead. laura: the committee on foreign we can t relitigate that this is going to be going on for some time. i want to have you great back. great to have you on felipe. i botched your name three times. it happens all the time. laura: in a moment, we will tell you what the attorney general did today that could signal the beginning of the end? oh, for legal marijuana, that s wishful thinking. don t go away mom, i have to tell you something. dad, one second i was driving and then the next. they just didn t stop and then. i m really sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you re ok. that s all that matters. 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they got a lot of tax money from the legalize marijuana? i was very sorry to hear about cory gardner taking that position. i think he has said even worse than that he said he is not going to support any personal that s been appointed by, you know, attorney general sessions in the next few months until this is all straightened out. i think he is actually, you know, making more of a big deal of this than he should. because ultimately, we re just going back to enforcing a law like it used to be enforced. laura: the current federal law. and the current federal law prohibits the use, distribution, you know, sale of marijuana. and he is making it almost like a states right issue when it s actually a public health issue. if you look at all of the various things that marijuana has been doing to his state, i m actually kind of surprised that he would be taking that position. i mean, we have seen a doubling in the number of people who have been killed in drug driving accidents. we have seen, you know, emergency rooms overwhelmed by people reporting that they are suffering from psychosis. we have seen skyrocketing youth use. we have seen pot shops being put in all the minority areas. laura: don, you are an advocate the legalized marijuana. billions of dollars are on the line. big celebrity money. big weed money. this is initiative that is being pushed and pushed and pushed i think without regard to public health. but, on the issue of state vs. federal authority here, it is currently federal law, as john said, to prohibit recreational use of marijuana, possession, or distribution. if you want to change the law, change the law. so demonizing jeff sessions as some of these people are doing today, these growers they want to make money off the destruction of our development of young brains and so forth i guess they can do that. but federal law right now until they change it? jeff sessions is doing what jeff sessions is supposed to do. he is the attorney general and he is supposed to prosecute these sort of things. is he supposed to say he is going to enforce federal law. that s what loretta lynch said in her confirmation hearings and that s what jeff sessions said in his. whether you want to talk about billions of dollars, public health, or anything else, i think this is a constitutional amendment. it s a 10th amendment issue. with respect to health issues, i think more and more people are finding that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol. and whether or not you want to debate that that s a whole different topic. i actually think that the states are capable of enforcing their own law. in what realm. laura: averting federal law right now. in what realm is federal law. laura: what other laws should be nilly nilly ignored. i think the states are capable of handling their own state laws and voters have passed these laws and the legislatures have passed these laws. i don t think the trump administration should get in the middle of this. this is not necessarily about billions of dollars. in my opinion it s about very sick people who by his own admission, the president has said he knows people who use marijuana. and he. laura: people like people who are starting on marijuana and moving to other drugs? 9% are addicted. 9% end up getting addicted. that s the american academy of pediatrician. start off with opioids and heroin because they get a prescription. vast majority of people who get addicted with opioids started off with pot. let s be clear. secondly let s make it clear. you are from the marijuana policy project. you get paid to be here. i m here smart approach to marijuana. we are trying to come up with a middle road. we north talking prohibition vs. legalization. we are talking about decriminalization and trying to deal with some of the problems that have been identified while also. can you look at him when he is talking. drug policy issues. some which are legitimate you guys raise. when it comes right down to it, there is a bad day for the marijuana policy project for one simple reason. most of the board has invested in the marijuana industry. all those people are trying to make a ton of money off of our kids. getting them addicted. i actually thought we would be here to talk about the issue and not personal attacks. that s not a personal attack. i m a little disappointed in that. laura: wrap it up. very sick people benefiting from this and i don t think the president should be laura: we have you back for sure. great debate. by the way, up next, something bizarre. you are not going to want to miss it. bomb cyclones, reptiles? 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[sigh] did grandpa win again? what do you think? yes! download the new words with friends 2 today. laura: before we go, the president reacting minutes ago to the latest revelations from michael wolfe s book. specifically what we talked about a few minutes ago. the idea that wolff had unfettered access to the president s staff trump tweetin tweeting: i authorized zero access to white house actually turned him down many times for author of phony book! i never spoke to him for book. full of lies, misrepresentations and sources that don t exist. look at this guy s past and watch what happens to him and sloppy steve! well, let me say, according to multiple reports and wolff himself, he sat on the west wing on that couch as people walked back and forth and was given access as has been reported by i
west palm beach airport, following the president s first physical exam as president. according to his doctor at walter reed, the exam went, quote, exceptionally well and further details on tuesday. before leaving washington for this martin luther king holiday weekend, trump signed a proclamation expanding site, with questions from the president about remarks about haiti, el salvador the day before. and throughout the day, republican lawmakers in florida, including senator marco rubio and congressman carlos ro bechlt. llo strongly distanced themselves from the remarks, all in a state, florida, a home to many immigrants and their families, including 300,000 haitian-americans, most in south florida, some of whom protested the president s comments. and republican governor rick scott also reacted to trump s for so long. do you get the sense that he s sort of distracting from his own policy agenda with the comments he made this week about other countries, whether true or not, with tweets he puts out about everybody from author michael wolff to news anchors? there are definitely republicans in this town who would very much agree with the premise of that question. they see it as constant controversies that do distract, that they have to sort of answer for things on a constant basis because the president has stoked up controversy again. that is a problem for people who are more used to a much more focused, much more deliberative approach from a president. gillian: so, distracting from his own policy agenda, some might go as so far as shooting himself in the foot. take a listen to the sound bite from speaker paul ryan in wisconsin. you re trying to broker a deal, right. yeah, so how do you do that with this? so we just have to get it done. gillian: talking about the president s comments this week on fisa, during the leadup to the vote on the hill, and then also, you know, on the comments he allegedly made during this meeting with lawmakers, using a vulgar term. so, it seems like, even speaker ryan is saying we re forging ahead, we re trying not to let the president, you know, get in our way. it s a little unusual. oh, it s massively unusual, particularly since congress has an absolutely full plate of things it needs to get to. there s a very intense congression congressional agenda. people need to get things done fast. time that you spend on other topics to accomplish those goals. gillian: and you create unnecessary obstacles when you speak out on issues that aren t necessarily appropriate for the president to be commenting on. i want to pull up for you what john mccain had to say earlier this week. he said, people have come to this country from everywhere. and people from everywhere have made everyone great. our immigration policies should reflect that truth and our elected officials, including our president, should respect it. those are some fairly scathing words from a senior lawmaker who has been working on not just immigration, but national security issues for decades. what do you make of that? i think that it is part of a firstly genuine objection to what the president is supposed to have said, but i also think it s a point that many republicans believe the republican party has to be welcoming to an ever more diverse america. and i think that they feel comments like the ones attributed to president trump cut against that in a very serious way. they see it speaking to his base, yes, but his base is a minority of the country. and so, they don t think that that is a winning strategy over the medium or long-term. and i think that they have sincere objections to it as well. gillian: we ve got to not just worry about the base. the president doesn t have to worry only about his base facing in 2018, part of his role and responsibility is to help usher republicans across that goal line. so certainly not helping there, right. absolutely not. one of the interesting things i think in the past couple of days, we re seeing lawmakers from competitive districts really being to the fore criticizing the president. someone like congressman korbela, and pretty scathing. and i think we re seeing those republicans trying to create some distance between themselves and the president on this kind of talk. gillian: well, hopefully they will get to the other side of this. republicans will be able to put it behind them and move forward. niall stannage, thanks for joining us. mike: and statistics in the house nearly $300,000 have been spent quieting harassment and discrimination claims against house members since 2003. hi there, mike. the nearly $300,000 comes straight from taxpayers and was used to settle 13 claims against members. house. that average is out to almost a settle a year. here is a look. 27,000 was paid out between 2003 in 07. then, a big jump between 08 and 2012 with 174,000. then 91,000 from 2013 to last year. we don t know who got the payouts because staffers had to sign a nondisclosure agreement. to start mediation. we know one of the offending congressmen was from texas. his former communications director received 84,000 after she accused him of making inappropriate sexual comments. he announced he s not running for reelection and said he ll pay the money back. earlier, he s waiting to see thank you very much. gillian: president trump now pointing the finger at democrats for what he s calling a missed opportunity on daca and immigration. this after a week of meetings on the issue without any clear results. our own molly heninberg is following the latest on this story. hi, gillian. there s no bill until there s a bill and right now there s no bill at least publicly that can get 60 votes in the senate and get the president s signature. legislators had hoped to include immigration reform and wrap it up in a bill to keep the government funded, but that spending bill has to be done by next friday and it doesn t appear at this point that there s enough agreement to include immigration in that legislation. on daca, which stands for the deferred action for childhood arrivals, which protects some 800,000 illegal minors from deportation, and then the dream act gives them a pathway to legal status. some democrats want just to focus on that for now. the top house democrat nancy pelosi is asking for a daca and dream only piece of legislation now. and in a statement yesterday, she said, quote, in october, the president wrongly decided to terminate daca. since that time. the president has constantly said he supports daca. what is clear is it that we must insist on a clean dream act, which is supported overwhelmingly by the american people, has bipartisan support in congress and must be enacted in january. but that doesn t sit well with republicans who wants border security or those who want to end chain migration. or those who don t want legal status for young, illegal immigrants. some of these people that are negotiating from the other side, aren t there in good faith. i think that they re there trying to make their political point, and they don t really want daca, they want the dream act. that s what they want. they re calling it daca, but they want a path to citizenship, a path to amnesty and that s part of the problem. congressman big says he does not believe that the daca issue would prevent legislators from coming to an agreement to keep them open and funded by next friday. thanks for that reporting, molly. mike. let s bring in michigan congressman dan killdee. do you want a clean daca bill? yes, and i think it s sometimes in a partisan divide where one doesn t exist quite as much as people say it does. republicans in the house, i know, and democrats would like to get a daca deal done, and would vote for it, if it was on the floor. ways a little disappointed to say that the president says this is a missed opportunity. we have sessions on tuesday, wednesday, thursday. we could bring daca codification, a bill to the floor and i suspect it would have more than 300 votes in the house of representatives and would sale through the senate. funding over this daca issue. why don t we negotiate in good faith on the issue, roll up your sleeves and let s work this out, but let s not hold the funding of our military hostage over this issue, that s irresponsible and they need to stop it. mike: congressman, your reaction to her comments and are we headed for a government shutdown? i don t think so. we ll see the. the republicans control the house, the senate and have the white house. the idea that it s the democrats fault who have no power to put anything on the floor that we haven t taken action on these issues, that s playing politics and look, congressman i know has a track record and she s got her point of view, but saying that it s politics is basically playing politics. why don t we just do what congress is supposed to do when members of congress agree, democrats, and republicans on an issue, let s vote on it. to say that s playing politics to me i think is disingenuous. that s governing. mike: wouldn t it wise to separate a controversial issue like immigration and government funding and a budget, it seems all are difficult enough individually for this congress to do. your thoughts, sir? well, i mean, we can separate it. we can put the daca bill on the floor on tuesday. and get it done. and basecle i basically set that aside and don t have to conflate these issues. there s a moment when the budget bills come up. democrats the republicans don t have the vote to keep the government open. when democrats are asked to rescue the republicans from themselves by providing enough votes to keep the government open cause they don t have them themselves, we have to have some of our priorities included in the action that congress takes and not be put in a position where all the things that democrats care about never get decided, never get a vote on the floor. mike: right. but the republicans who can t govern without us are unwilling to acknowledge that. that s just not right. mike: you know, your republican colleagues want more border security so where is the solution on this immigration issue? is it in the bipartisan by camerale talks that speaker rhein has been talking about? do you think those bipartisan house are the key? this is obviously an issue where we need a comprehensive approach. we need border security, no question about it. we need to fix this broken immigration system and there are areas of agreement. i was really disappointed that the president didn t hold to his word when he had the bipartisan meeting just a few days ago, and then was presented a bipartisan solution to this problem after saying that he would accept whatever these folks put together and sign it, and he said no. so, i don t know who s whispering in his ear, but that was disappointing. we can solve these problems and we have to do it in a comprehensive way. democrats have to acknowledge that border security is an important subject, but we also have to have fixing to these other problems and not create a pejorative out of family migration. i mean, this issue of chain migration is one that i think is getting a bit misunderstood. family immigration is a part of the history of this country. my own hometown thanks for your time. dan kildee from the great state of michigan. see you soon, sir. thank you very much. mike: we ll have more coverage. chris wallace as an exclusive interview with california attorney general, and what s next. and president trump s immigration comments and steve bannon s ouster from breitbart tomorrow at 11 a.m. eastern. gillian: it came from outer space. what the spacex cargo vehicle just brought down from to earth from the international space station. a tough message from kim jong-un to the white house, as the south korea olympics slated for next month. and watching the thermostats plunge, more problems on the roads and airports. and adam is monitoring from the fox extreme weather center. i know when we see you we re getting bad news, go for it. unfortunately, we re looking into a system going into the northeast, on the back side cold air is funneling in. i ll have details after the break. i take pictures of sunrises, freezing rain causing major slowdowns on roads, and meanwhile, the folks in buffalo, new york, were dealing with melting snow and flooding problems because of warmer temperatures. meteorologist adam is at the extreme weather center with all of today s forecasts. take it away. yeah, kind of a wild day yesterday. a real rollercoaster giving me a bit of a cold. and we re tracking a system off the northeast. one you re talking about. it s running off the east coast and the back side of this system we re looking at a major change in temperatures falling down into the teens in many cases. add in the wind chill and you ll notice a huge difference falling back down into the negative across a huge portion of the country. and it s still too early, winter is not over yet. it was 60 in new york city yesterday. unfortunately, that isn t going to be sticking around. now, as we go farther into the forecast, this is from saturday into sunday. these are daytime highs across the country. and not horribly bad, but pay attention to what happens on monday. suddenly, another round of arctic air is going to be settling into the center of the country. you re looking at temperatures falling back into the negative. and that goes even deeper into the country. so we re talking about another huge arctic blast that s going to be pushing in, getting into the middle of next week. it s not just coming with the cold temperatures, it s going to be coming with eventually a system that s going to be working through. and here is your future radar, this is sunday into monday. right there, is where that system is, unfortunately, it s going to be coming with ice, it s going to be coming with snow, as much as i would love it to warm up, unfortunately, that s just not going to be the case. this is something we re dealing with, another big round just around the corner, guys. well, adam, you stay there. hang tight. no need to come here to our nation s capital. thank you. mike: i got home last night 60-something degrees and got up this morning, 30-something degrees. all of us have a little frog in our throat. gillian: thanks, adam. you re the best. mike: authorities say the same russian hackers who targeted the dnc are back. who they re probing for information now. the clock is ticking for lawmakers to reach a deal on daca and immigration. how their lack of progress is resonating with voters. the immigration debate in washington? unfortunately sigh sidelined with this ridiculous controversy as they re calling it. it s a sad day when this president who clearly trusts, i m not sure why, but he still trusts the principle parties in the room to speak candidly. he s coming from an environment, used to the oars rowing in the same boat and he s not used to those to sand bag him. whether he said these things and it s clear about seizing power and not achieving goals. mike: we re less than a week from a possible government shutdown. what do folks outside of the beltway think about that? i think it s clear if we re going to hold up military spending or call this a government shutdown, if you want broadly, if we re really holding it up to secure the border, i don t know that that s the plank the democrats want to walk. i get that i ve yet to hear anybody why border security the is something we re against. if the president used rough language in a private meeting with lawmakers, does your audience care? no, for heaven s sake. you know, i said last night on twitter, mike, i was ever since 18 years old since you ve been voting in this country the american left has been telling people stay out of our bedrooms, butt out. sop stop with the social issues frpt the second in private he supposedly allegedly says one curse word and suddenly the left takes to the billy graham crusades, where did that come from. mike: what about the comment made by house leader nancy pelosi, talking about people with an immigration deal. five white guys i call them. you hope a hamburger stand next or what? so the five guys joke seemed to fall flat in the room. your thoughts, chris? that s just that s the perfect example, mike of what we re talking about. if you want to talk about race, you know, trump says, s-hole countries and that s a racist term suddenly and she specifically says five white guys. she invokes race. if ever there was racism on display in an off the cuff remark, it s miss pelosi, not the president. mike: and the assumption here, chris, is that late next week congress will punt again, meaning a short measure. how do that play outside the beltway. that s grist for the mill. i think most of us expect that s probably what will happen. folks that listen to this show and i speak for myself, what nobody wants is to colina daca bill business. where ever you are on daca, i don t know any conservatives or republicans that would suggest only daca, no wall, no border security, no dealing with chain migration. that would be a terrible mistake. so, i d rather wait and prolong it then rush to do something that we ll never go back and fix again. mike: a few seconds left. do you have a prediction in 2018, a lot of anxiety with a lot of republicans at 2018. your thoughts, chris? historically, if you want to look at history. we can t seem to these guys as a predictor, maybe republicans lose the house, perhaps. i think that republicans could pick up the senate. i know they won t lose the senate. i bank on them keeping control. senate, but they may gain republicans in the senate. mike: after this, chris is headed to atlantic city to place some bets. go eagles! . mike: chris, thanks. thanks, mike. gillian: the u.s. senate in the cross-hairs of the same russian computer criminal hackers that caused problems for the dnc last year during the general election. chief political correspondent catherine herridge talks about it. and at the height of 2016 election, with wikileaks and the same hackers are now targeting the u.s. senate. according to new research, hackers are going after lawmakers network of context, as well as compromising information for blackmail. these cyber hackers, speak russian, and going to trap visitors with malware. and they set up fake accounts and fancy bear hackers used the strategy during the french presidential election to steal e-mails in an efforts to influence the outcome. the u.s. intelligence community believes the hackers are closely aligned with president vladimir putin and they documented the decades long effort to undermine democracy. the administration is not doing enough to punish russia in the 2016 elections and prepare us for the 2018 election. the fancy bear hackers went quiet. but with no solutions on penalizing moscow, the hackers got busy. they predict that rogue political complaints are not likely to go away with the olympics and major operations in 2018. in washington. catherine herridge, fox news. gillian: be sure to keep it right here with us at america s news headquarters. at the top of the next hour, 1 p.m., discussing the latest developments in the russia probe with florida congressman ron desantis. mike: searching for missing crew members on an iranian oil tanker are facing fiery conditions. why it s still in flames after colliding with another ship. president trump now says he thinks he has had a good relationship with north korea s kim jong-un, but the u.s. isn t letting up its stance against the hermit kingdom ahead of the olympics. what to expect as we get closer to the opening ceremonies. boost gives me everything i need. to be up for doing what i love. boost high protein be up for it ship s last box. and 29 missing at this hour and the exact cause of that crash is unknown. south korean president moon says the trump administration s tough stance on kim jong-un drove north korea to reopen diplomatic lines, but the trump administration is not softening their stance on the hermit kingdom ahead of the olympics. vice-president mike pence is leading the u.s. delegation in south korea. for this, i want to bring in jack keane, strategy analyst, general, the administration was sort of playing coy when it comes to the u.s. relationship with kim jong-un. the president i wants folks at home to take a look. the president said he probably has a very good relationship about kim jong-un. he said that you people, media he was talking to at the time, are surprised and went on to say when asked when he spoke to kim jong-un. i m not saying i have or i haven t, i don t want to comment. what do you make of that. it s hard to characterize the president s relationship from a distance, but i m not aware of contact, but that s clearly up to him. he surely does talk to world leaders on a regular basis. gillian: why not just say no? looking at it from the outside, i think this is probably the most challenging and difficult relationship that he s got with everybody in the world. clearly, we re on a path here where a military option is on table. there are some negotiations that have taken place, it s talking and chewing at each other, but we ve got to have a healthy dose of skepticism here because the north koreans have always used negotiations to advance their technology program and they ve used it in the past to obtain goodwill which is obviously going on here, and also, when it s with the south koreans to try to drive a wedge between ourselves ap the south koreans. so we ve got to look at realistically. could something better come of it? we hope so, but that s the way we ve got to look at it. gillian: that s the bilateral relationship side. from the military side do you feel there were mixed messages, also. president trump agreed to not go forward with the joint military exercises with south korea until after the olympics. at the same time the department of defense flying b-2 bombers over the region. i think we should be doing more on the military side to strengthen the policy change that we made dealing with north korea and that is that the military option is back on the table. that was general mattis, now secretary mattis that made that statement on the first visit to the far east shortly after the inauguration back in january of last year. but here is some things i know the chinese and the north koreans are looking at to determine, is our policy real? why are we still sending families to south korea with their military spouses? this should now be what we call in the military an unaccompanied tour. like iraq and afghanistan is. we should also be preparing to bring the families that are there home, making the policy changes that are going to be able to accommodate a move with such a sizable population, we should be making plans to bring the american population at home. gillian: who makes that decision, general? is it state department? is it dod? in dealing with the military families dod, and the other thing, gillian, if we re going to go to war, there s a possibility we are, director pompeo of the cia said we re months away from the showdown. if that s the case, as we were in iraq and afghanistan, we re an ocean away, which means we have to prepare, theater level logistics, we have to put in place ammunition and we actually have to start moving some forces that are going to be able to accommodate the reality of that. i also believe while some people would look at that and say those are provocative act, you re going to force north korea to action. i would say rubbish to that. and the provocative act is nuclearizing icbm s and pointing them at america. and those are proven measures that any military force would have to do if they have a credible policy of wanting this to use a military option. and i m not suggesting all-out war, but a military option, a very limited military option which obviously could escalate to war. gillian: how worried are you about, forget who is more provocative than who, rights? but how worried are you about a move from the trump administration that they necessarily they don t necessarily believe is a direct threat, but ends up being a miscalculation that pushes us offense the edge, sort of unintentionally into war? are you worried about that or not really? you have to calculate that and with every option that you put in front of the president, you have to layout what the risks are associated with those options and we have capable people, you know, who know how to do that and certainly, kim jong-un, once he makes the decision to react to some $what he believes is a provocation by the united states and starts a shooting war on a peninsula, that s the end of his regime. that s and he knows that, and all the people around him know that. we would crush that regime in a matter of days and he knows it. gillian: the worry is that we, the united states worries then about the south koreans to a degree that kim jong-un probably doesn t, right. he doesn t worry about the south koreans. he s just using the south koreans as a vehicle to put some pressure on the united states by driving a wedge between us and the south koreans. gillian: well, some scary stuff, general keane. thanks for your expertise today. we love having you. good talking to you, gillian. gillian: thanks. mike: after the break, a frightening ride for passengers on a greyhound bus that ended in a chase across state lines. we ll take a look at what happens. and a chaotic scene in an international terminal causing scores of delays and very unhappy passengers. what officials are doing to address this storm-related travel mess. what happened over the weekend was completely unacceptable performance. we will assure that the failures that occurred over this weekend will not occur in the future. managing blood sugar is aseries. and when you replace one meal. .or snack a day with glucerna. .made with carbsteady. .to help minimize blood sugar spikes. .you can really feel it. now with 30% less carbs and sugars. glucerna. no one burns on heartburn. my watch! try alka seltzer ultra strength heartburn relief chews. with more acid-fighting power than tums chewy bites. mmmmm.amazing. i have heartburn. ultra strength from alka seltzer. enjoy the relief. 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no, kansas has one governor brownback and he makes the decisions. and colorakoh collier is waie wings as he s expecting a quick confirmation, brownback began handing over duties to colyer. that was six months ago. i teach about politics, one they think i teach you don t count on the u.s. senate to do anything until it s done, especially confirmation. the senate ended without a vote on brownback or dozens of other trump nominations and now there is confusion in kansas. lt. governor jeff colyer was making appointments and events and governor brownback was doing a tree lighting event or the question is who is in charge. it s like abbott and coste o costello, who is on first. and for appointees didn t make confirmations, thank you, potus, i ll continue as governor. s for the positions requiring it, only 241 nominations have been confirmed by the full u.s. senate. while he waits on washington, brownback appears to be retaking the reins in kansas. the question remains for how long. could he be gone in february, june, later than that? who knows. a spokeswoman tells fox news, the renominations could be considered in a timely fashion and they will not require another hearing, but they will need another committee vote before once again heading to the full senate. in topeka kansas, alicia acunas, fox news. gillian: much more ahead in the next hour. president trump says democrats are to blame forestalled immigration reform. why, he says, bipartisan meetings are not working. and from the front lines to the top brass, we ll give you a sneak preview of a brand new series that looks at how the military makes the most important decisions of the day. stick with us. . . everything we do will have an effect. . . plus growing criticism of robert mueller s russia investigation and calls for better transparency, we will talk to republican congressman desantis that sits on foreign affairs and judiciary committee. we get unprecedented look at our military s fight against isis courtesy of brand new geographic special. we want to fight and we want to take care of business here. i know personally i don t want our nation, in fact, any of our allied nations to have to deal with this enemy. so we have to go get after them here today and take care of business. and president trump kicks off the long weekend in mar-a-lago with an early morning tweet storm suggesting that lawmakers are far from reaching a deal on daca and accusing democrats of stalling those negotiations. for more on all of this, let s go live to phil keaton in west palm beach. what can you tell us? president trump should be wrapping up his morning golf game at nearby trump international golf club where he arrived this morning in the big long motorcade around 9:30 this morning. as usual scenario in palm beach, he begins the morning bright and early tweeting this morning he was praising the economy and digging at democrats including this one about ongoing daca negotiations, what to do with the estimated 700,000 dreamers in the country. quote, the democrats are all talk, no action, they are doing nothing to fix daca, great opportunity missed, too bad. of course, it was the oval office meeting thursday about daca and immigration which led to the all consuming controversy about what members of both parties confirmed the president said about haiti, el salvador and african nations. leading to these questions after trump s proclamation expanding the martin luther king, jr. historic site friday. mr. president, are you racist? florida senator rubio and curbello strongly distanced themselves from the president s remarks including 3,000 haitian americans some who protested the comments yesterday while commemorating eighth anniversary of the country s devastating earthquake. on david lederman netflix show, guest, none other than former president obama. one of the things that michelle figured out in some ways faster than i did was, you know, part of your ability to lead the country doesn t have to do with legislation, it doesn t have to do with regulations, it has to do with shaping attitude, shaping culture, increasing awareness. as soon as the president is finished at the golf club, he is expected to then motorcade back to his winter white house at mar-a-lago on palm beach, only about 8 or 10-minute drive and the president has no public events scheduled not only today tomorrow or monday and it is monday afternoon we expect that the president and first lady melania and son baron will be boarding on air force one and returning to the nation s capital. jillian. phil, i had to take a double take at david letterman, i barely recognized him. i need to grow one. [laughter] stay cool at mar-a-lago, thanks, phil. president trump has tied daca and immigration to the budget debate and with just days before lawmakers are faced with another potential government shutdown, the clock is ticking for a solution. latest developments. hi, molly. it s no simple task. democrats are saying, let s just focus on young illegal minors first and then get to the rest. but republicans say, not so fast. they want border security too and say they ve been promised funding for a border wall before and then the funding didn t come through. i m so mistrustful i think that we keep our promise first and then not give up our leverage until until we built that wall. but democrats say why wait, they believe they have enough bipartisan support to extend what s called da to daca to protect from deportation and also pass the dream act that gives them path to legal status. it would takes 4 minutes and we might as well get it done in signal to the american people when we have bigger issues like budget issues, infrastructure bill, like real problems in health care that we ought to address, that congress actually can come together and overcome what looks like differences. legislators had hope today include immigration reform to the bill to keep funding of the federal government but that spending bill has to be done by next friday and it doesn t appear at this point that there s enough agreement to include immigration in that legislation. mike. live in washington, molly, thanks a lot. more on the battle over budget and immigration, i want to bring in scott wong, senior reporter at the hill. thanks for being with us. thanks for having me. take a look at facts on immigration. this is the immigrant population in the united states by country of birth in 2016. it s the latest numbers we ve got, total immigration from africa at 2.14 million, el salvador as you can see there is 1.3 million, haiti, just over half a million at 668,000 and norway at 22,000. so allegedly these are the types of figures that the president was react to go earlier this week in the meeting with lawmakers where he used expletive reportedly. the numbers don t look very high to me. well, a number of republicans pointed out that, you know, we all have immigrant backgrounds in our ancestry and so that was the point i believe that lindsey graham made to the president in pushing back to some of the remarks, one of the most personal, i think, responses to the president s controversial comments came from mia love, the first haitian american republican lawmaker to serve in the united states congress, her parents were born in haiti and came to the united states looking for a better future for their family and so i think, you know, some of the backlash that we have seen in response to president trump s is not only coming from the left but republicans as well. if you break down the numbers a little bit, i was just struck whether the reporting about the expletive is right or wrong, the numbers like, for example, african immigration today in the united states total is 2 million people, but that s almost 60 countries, i thought it would be a lot higher, i was remarking that, you know, this is not this is not an all-time high of immigration as we are being made to believe. i want to ask you also about the president wanting to get rid of the diversity lottery system for visas. he believes this will help put an end to what the administration calls chain migration. he says that what he wants is merit-based immigration, as you know, that essentially means people meet certain qualifications before they are able to come into the country. can you tell us about those qualifications, what they are? i don t have any specifics on the qualifications themselves but president trump did when lindsey graham and dick durbin brought this plan, bipartisan plan, you know, essentially it would shift, it would do away with the diversity lottery which is a random lottery program and it would shift some of those 50,000 slots over to the tps program which is the countries like haiti, el salvador. temporary protective status, and the president said, well, let s not deal with those countries, why can t we make this all about merit and, remember, these were comments that he made two days earlier in the televised meeting in the white house who said who would disagree with bringing in people based on on a merit system and so this is something that the president has insisted on. he has suggested this to congress. so far, democrats have not signed on board. they are pushing back against the merit-base system and they want other assurances for daca at this point. so the administration as far as i can tell has not really clearly defined what those merits are. they ve alluded to the idea that people should speak english prior to coming into the united states, that s one qualification, another qualification is that they should be prepared to in some way contribute to the national economy, am i missing anything? i don t think we have seen specifics so far. i think what the president is talking about are professionals like doctors, for example, doctors from other countries coming to the united states, graduate students who want to further their education and take advantage of the good colleges in the united states. those are examples of the types of people that president trump is saying let s make this all about merit, let s take the best and brightest from around the world and let them come to the country rather than ran do random lottery drawing. how do those qualifications compare to refugee population? the united states agreeing to take people who are fleeing prosecution, war, terror around the world, are we going to keep refugees in separate categories or they ll get bundled into the immigrant populations, the merit-based folks? i think that s what s being discussed. if you do away completely with the lottery system, the plan, the bipartisan plan that lindsey graham and dick durbin put forward would have shifted 50,000 slots over to countries that are dealing with either manmade disasters, civil war, strife or natural disasters like we saw in el salvador and in haiti. these are there s a lot of questions that still have not been resolved. the president s comments, controversial remarks have only sort of inflamed the situation. i think democrats and republicans have been driven into the respective corners. that s not a great place to be with four legislative days before a government shutdown. yeah, as you point out, a lot of loose ends, a lot of major questions here that will affect all americans that need to be hammered out on the hill, in the white house in the next four days, thanks so much for being with us. thank you. mike. third high profile republican has thrown her name into arizona seat, martha mcsally officially announced candidacy friday. former air force colonel and first female fighter pilot took a world war ii fighter plane to campaign tieing her service record into how she ll work in the senate. i m running my race and we want to make sure that people in arizona know options and i m working with the president. you look at my voting record, even though i m in split district, i have to most reliable record with the president and i continue to vote with him. i was at the white house this week and i ve been invited other times to talk about health care, tax reform, infrastructure and now immigration and i m honored about that. mcsally faces competition for the republican nomination, former arizona sheriff joe arpaio and former senator, state senator kelly ward. that should be a heck of the race for the republican nomination. you know, i have to say, a woman fighter pilot throwing her hat in the ring, not a day too soon, this is the kind of thing that americans all across the country have been calling for. jeff flake is retiring so they are throwing their hat in there. yeah, feeling good about that. brand-new details emerging on the las vegas mass shooter from last year and just how meticulous he was in covering up his trail leading up to that deadly massacre? 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well, we have the ability in our house rules to declassify, classify documents that are in the possession of committee and we had major breakthrough with doj and fbi finally agreed to provide the information regarding the trump dossier, the fisa surveillance, all those questions that we ve had for months and i think all the members of congress will eventually be read into that and even people not on the intelligence committee will be able to review it and i think that s good, but to me that s inadequate. i think the american people need to know how this information was used, did you have one administration spying on the campaign of an opposing party and i have report that is the dossier was, in fact, use today get fisa surveillance on a trump associate and one of the questions i have is, did the fbi when they got the dossier, did they know that that was a democratic-party funded document and still went ahead and used it, that s bad. but if they didn t know the genesis of it, the origin of it and still used it, that s also bad. so i think there s a lot of questions that need to be answered and the best way to do it is cut through the smoke and des classify and make it public. we have a public of january 9th letter here, have you gotten any response from speaker and his team so far? so i talked to the speaker last week about getting in all the members of congress read into this. he was very open to that. i think the speaker has done a good job on this. he has backed devin nunes, he told rosenstein you have to produce the stuff. i think the speaker will be open to this and i talked to chairman nunes and he s definitely trying to move forward with invoke declassification order from his committee which is great. there are great patriotic professional with n the fbi but what are your concerns about the role of some at the fbi as it relates to the house intelligence committee investigation? well, you re right, we have phenomenal fbi agents serving all over the country and all over the world, my fear with all of this is the bad actions of a few people like peter strzok who said we can t take risk of trump presidency and lisa page, that their political actions and the way they conducted themselves will make the bureau look bad. i still have confidence in the fbi at large but i think there s been a problem with the leadership going back to the hillary e-mail investigation and then through this trump so-called russia collusion investigation that is going to need to be addressed. we have seen it be addressed so far to a certain extent. comey has been fired. mccabe is on the way out, peter strzok in administrative position, so let s just get all the facts, let s hold people accountable and let s move forward. we need a strong fbi and i m 100% in favor of a strong law enforcement. this is not the first rodeo, do you expect the documents will be declassified, congressman? i think there s a very good chance that they will be, yes, because the public interest is in intense in this and you declassify in a way that if there is some type of source and method you can protect that but still get the information out to the people. there were high-profile issues at the irs several years ago, should anyone be surprised that some at the fbi may have played politics? well, i think that s a good point, l oh, lerner was not not appointed by the obama administration. the outer veneer they may not be, they can often act in partisan ways, lerner did that to the hill and peter strzok and lisa page text messages, they had bias against donald j. trump, they did not want him to be president and we wanted to make sure there was an insurance policy to prevent it. congressman, are you getting all the answers you want on the steel dossier and the information at this stage? well, we haven t gotten them all yet but i think the fact that this information will be provided to the congress is a huge step forward, it s a big victory for us. we are going to get all the answers one way or another, i wish we would have gotten them sooner but over the next probably two months between this and then the ig report with the hillary e-mail investigation, i think you re going to see a lot of scrutiny on how the obama doj handled these cases in 2016. congressman ron desantis of the great state of florida, i look forward to seeing you on the hill, sir. thank you. thanks for your time. gillian: after heated election virginia now has its now governor, democrat ralph northum who defeated ed gillespie was sworn in today at noon in richmond, he addressed a crowd of about 4,000 spectators who braved very cold weather to watch. northum called for unity amongst all virginians. it can be hard to find a way in a time that there s so much shouting, when nasty shallow tweets take the place of honest debate, if you felt that way, i want you listen to me right now, we are bigger than this. so help me god. [cheers and applause] northum, 73rd governor in the state s history. after holding bipartisan meetings on immigration and daca earlier in the week, president trump is now slamming democrats over what he s called a missed opportunity. the president took to twitter this morning saying, democrats are, quote, all talk and no action. for more on the immigration debate let s bring in fair and balance panel brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush and al, member of clinton finance team, former member of the clinton finance team, easy for me to say. gentlemen, thanks for your time. great to be here. brad, let s start with you, your thoughts on president lashing out on democrats in twitter? i think he s dudley right. democrats did not come in the bipartisan meeting with any intention in dealing in good faith. how do we know that, dick durbin outraged over what the president may have said at the meeting. and when he left the white house, he didn t go to sticks, in front of the press corp and show his outrage, this was calculated that they will policy, want government shutdown, they don t want a deal on immigration, they think they with get away with blaming the trump administration, the president went to deal in good faith, he said it during the meeting we saw a week ago, he said it it was a bipartisan commit yes we saw a few days ago and democrats have taken attack that he couldn t be dealt with, they choose to attack him. that s the best spin i have ever heard. the president engaged engaged il vitriol. when ronald reagan left she talked about shining city in the hill, he talked about a place that had doors that were open in anyone in world. and dick durbin and all democrats did come in good faith and the president should be commended for that meeting and that was a bipartisan, great discussion, he unraveled the whole thing with what he said. my guess is plenty of presidents from both parties have used colorful language at times behind closed doors, brad, are you surprised the president did it in bipartisan meeting which it was the other night? no, there are some words and, of course, the president he said denies the word alleged, let me tell you something, in negotiation, specially with legislators things are going to be said that are never intended to public con summing. it s the heat of the moment. there s also context to what was said. what happened before the harsh word that the president used. he agreed he used harsh words and didn t agree he used those words. and the democrats, i guess they never listened to lbj tapes where he used not only foul language but racial language against black americans, so when dick durbin said language has never been used in the oval office, then he should be listening to the lbj tapes and lbj, what was he able to do, he passed civil rights legislation and the president wanted to deal in good faith, the democrats, they renigged on that. look, no one is denying that he said it other than one man, the president who has a history of saying things that are a little untrue. what we have here is a situation, it s so sad because this is a look right into his dark soul, these are chilling and disparaging comments. you do so to emerge from tough situation. we should want people with fortitude and wherewithal to come here. we are heading into, perhaps, potential government shutdown in less than a week, he needs to get democrats that vote for some things, to get some things across the finish line, what about the timing and what about the week ahead. i still think we are going to get through. i don t believe they ll be a shut down. i hope you re correct. i hope that there isn t a shutdown. we shouldn t be politicizing the the economy and the health of the american workers and that s federal workers and private workers that will be affected by government shutdown. we shouldn t be doing that. we shouldn t be holding people hostage and i do believe daca, if democrats want to work in good faith there s still opportunity to do it. he s probably the most transactional president. what about the democrats who try today link daca to some of the funding talks, feeling they have leverage because democratic votes will be needed to get things across finish line, how does that play out, does this get separated, we tried on daca, let s do it in march, where are we going there? there s still not much time but i m hopeful that they ll be bipartisan deal that includes border security and daca protections. a bunch of senators came with proposal that included that, there s a chance. again, the comments make it tougher because that riles up the base for good reason. nobody would have ever known about those comments had the democrats not rushed out in a coordinated effort. fascinating discussion, gentlemen, thanks for your time. good to be with you. gillian: it s often hard for civilians to understand exactly what the members of our military are up against when fighting isis and 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moment for citizens in hawaii as ballistic missile alert get sent to citizens accidentally, the screen grab was sent out by congressman and she reiterated that the alert was a false alarm. people in hawaii received this morning stating a ballistic missile inbound but authorities said alert was sent out by mistake. that is confirmed at this moment the lingering effects of extreme winter weather at the start of january has created quite a mess for jfk airport with damaged equipment and dozens of delayed flights, not to mention scores of unhappy customers and jfk in new york not the only airport seeing headaches, bryan llenas joins with the latest. hey, mike, chaos in americas airports, one air traffic controller, what he called a, quote, horror show, jfk airport at new york city. dozens and dozens of planes sat on the tarmac for hours filled with passengers, thousands of bags were delayed or never made it to destinations, people slept at the airport for a couple days and then a water main broke flooding the international terminal. so weeks before that, the world s busiest airport hartsfield in atlanta lost power canceling flights and recent airport fiascoes are underscored infrastructure concerns at our nation s airports, so the american society of civil engineers recently gave our nation s airports a d grade, airport congestion is on the rise, asce is expected that 24 of the top 30 major airports in this country may soon experience thanksgiving peak traffic volume at least one day every week. you look at the graphic, last month the nation s airports released reports saying they require $100 billion in infrastructure needs between now and 2021 because of this congestion. that price tag has gone up 32% in just two years. airports want congress to eliminate caps on passenger facility charges, they want the faa to allow them to charge more than the max 4.50 per passenger so they can invest money in infrastructure. meanwhile there are efforts to modernize air traffic control systems, the president wants to privatize stripping responsibility from the federal aviation administration and given the responsibility to independent nongovernmental administration. they believe will speed up nationwide and faa is handling the next gen program, updating 1950 s era radar systems to satellite radar technology which would lead to less delays and more efficient performance and hope to be done by 2025. currently there s congressional group called the problem solver s caucus, they are trying to draft the trillion dollar infrastructure deal, we will see what happens. bryan llenas on travel drama and elsewhere, bryan, many thanks. of course. gillian: now from the halls of the pentagon to front lines in afghanistan, iraq and south america, new documentary gives you, viewers a front row seat to battle against extremism. the number one priority for us is to protect the homeland and the american people from an attack and also to protect allies from attack against violent extremists. the most important things is to surround yourself with good people and take advantage of the talent that we have in the u.s. military. gillian: filmed over the course of 18 months, the series with never before seen images from the front line of war. scott is the executive producer of chain of command, the series, premiers monday and he joins me now live, scott, this is just incredible project and excited to have you with us to tell us a little bit more about it. i want to ask you first a question about timing, essentially why now, you know, the wars in iraq and afghanistan have been raging for 16 plus areas, what made you and then the pentagon decide that this this story needed to be told today? it s a very important story that we are telling. ithas been years in discussion between national geographic and national geographic studios and with the department of defense. you know, as you had mentioned earlier, we started feeling about about a year and a half ago and we started very slowly and when you do this type of show, it s it s all built on trust because we are allowed into privileged worlds that have never been, you know, they never had cameras allowed before and we wanted to do it through the eyes of men and women who are most involved in the fight against extremism. you talk about footage, things that have never been allowed, access that has never been given before, one of those as i understand it, we have never gotten to see live footage from inside an f-22 before, is that right, and we see that in the series? that s correct, combat mission, that s exactly right and so these are the worlds in which which through discussion and through, you know, obviously these are sensitive worlds and these environments that we are in are extremely fluid at times but a chain of command is really a collection of soldier stories. it is about the men and women who serve. it s told through their eyes, you get a greater depth of the larger stories, the larger story, you get a greater depth of their mission but you understand their sacrifice, you understand the commitment and, you know, as we go into these worlds, what we describe you re in the room and the way we define a room you could be in the drone room just on the outskirts of mosul or in the cockpit or you can be with a father and a mother who are saying good-bye to, you know, their three kids under 5 as they are about to deploy to afghanistan. now, there have been many, many documentaries on the great men and women who serve in these environments gillian: but i don t think, scott, not one that we know of where you really get inside the minds of service members and their families and get to see life sort of through their eyes from their perspective. i wanted to ask you particularly about one thing that really struck me when i was reading about the project, the strategic plans that are hatched by top military brass at the pentagon have the sort of real, very real effects for service members and affected trajectory of entire lives, service members on the ground and one of the things you really wanted to do here was sort of connect the dots so that folks understood that, do you feel like you got any answers? you know, it was it s playing out over, you know, a section of time where we started, for example, with the battle of mosul. we were there at the beginning, right when they kicked off and we were there towards the end and that plays out in the first four episodes. so through the men and women on both u.s. side and also with the iraqi forces, you understand their mission, you understand the complexity of that environment. you see, like you said, in the drone rooms in several occasions and you understand how difficult it is and you get greater depth of the fight for mosul. gillian: i m sorry to interrupt you, we have to leave it there, we are out of time, everybody stay tune, look for the series premiering on monday on net geo, scott, thank you for bringing the story to us. thank you. gillian: mike. mike: back to fox news alert now, more details on the frightening moment for citizens in hawaii when a ballistic missile alert was sent to citizens by mistake. democratic congresswoman tried to reassure hawaii residents on twitter and reiterated that the alert is a false alarm. people in hawaii received this warning just after 8:00 o clock in the morning stating that a ballistic missile was inbound but authorities have said alert was sent out by mistake. for more let s bring in lucas thompson, pentagon producer, lucas, i know you talked to folks at pacific command, what are they saying? mike, they are saying this was a false alarm, a message being pushed out by hawaii s emergency management system, there s no word right now on why this message was sent out, it was simply somebody hitting the wrong key or was this a possible hack of the system which has been a strong concern for a lot of people involved. you know, the biggest problem is, who wants to wake up in the island of hawaii to this kind of message when you have a pga tournament, country club, millions of people living their lives on saturday morning wake up and the first thing they see on phone checking text messages is take cover, seek shelter a ballistic missile is inbound. it has been put in place recently because of north korea testing successfully intercontinental missiles last year. of course, folks in hawaii have been on edge with the north korean regime and have been practicing what what happens if there s an emergency situation. we have video we can show folks at home exactly what they ve been doing in hawaii to prepare. [sirens] and that was the sound people have not heard since world war ii. mike: excellent, point, lucas, imagine waking up to that on saturday morning in picturesque hawaii and thinking there s incoming missile from investigator korean regime and must be alarming and people might be quite rattled. we don t know the cause. right now there s no cause in why the message was sent out inadvertently. mike: quite alarming situation, thank god it was a false alarm. lucas thompson, thank you for reporting. credits for congresswoman telling everybody not to panic. mike: no doubt about it. thank you, lucas. gillian: kudos for the congresswoman for getting that info and getting out to constituents. i can t imagine bone-chilling out on saturday, living your life with your family and you hear, you know, the sounds of those alarms are very, very eerie. mike: absolutely. reminds nuclear alerts of when you were growing pup. gillian: of course. and you have no sense of what the danger really is, you know, the folks on the ground hearing this for the first time didn t know that it was potentially a missile or something else. you imagine that, you know, doom and gloom is a few seconds out. it must be terrible. mike: it took a while to find out whether this was legit or this was a false alarm, she sent the tweet out and hopefully a lot of folks in hawaii got the information promptly and were able to calm down pretty quickly. but just stunning when you consider the world we live in these days, the north koreans doing all kinds of test in the fear that perhaps it s not going to be a test or false alarm. we are hearing that there was 35 minutes, mike, between the alarm and then the all-clear, the mistake being declared. so that s an awful long time for folks on the ground to be left wondering and maybe panicking about what has happened. 35 minutes. mike: yeah. gillian: unbelievable. mike: you can imagine the panic at 8:00 o clock in the morning, what, we are under attack, we have to run, load up the family, where do we go? is it nuclear? gillian: we should probably stop complaining about the weather on the east coast. mike: exactly right. wbr id= wbr68660 /> thankfully false alarm in hawaii and thankfully that congress woman tulsi gabbard grot the information and alerted constituents and were able to calm down 35 minutes after the initial alert went out. all kinds of investigation now to try to figure out whether somebody pressed the button, whether there was a hacking, exactly what led to this, but a tough way to start your day in hawaii, imagine folks on vacation or people who live there who are living under the threat of north korea, hearing those sirens first thing this /b> morning. gillian: you know, that will be the million dollar question now going forward is the investigation into what exactly went wrong. i don t know if we still have lucas with us but maybe we can ask him, lucas, do you have a sense of what the procedure is of taking this forward, how they can rectify the situation or prevent it from happening in the wbr-id= wbr69260 /> future? although it s not a u.s. military system, hawaii s emergency management system, this is a lot like amber alert set up and better or for worse, now in technology can reach out people very quickly. within minutes, millions of people on the island of hawaiis had message saying the missile was inbound. in terms of investigation, they re going to have to go back in the logs and find out, interview all the people and something on the keyboard or is it more sinister and that is all the systems are prone to hacks, outside actors, somebody trying to have a little bit of fun, great cost and we now to find out in hawaii how bad people were impacted, anybody drive off the road, anybody, you know, freak out at home and you also have pga golf tournament, people living their lives and also big events that go in hawaii around the clock. mike: in post 9/11 world you don t take things for granted, anything less than quite deadly serious and you can only imagine the panic people felt in hawaii. thankfully it was a false alarm, all kinds of information now to figure out how to prevent this from happening in the future. you don t want to cry golf from constituents and leave house, run, and then god forbid there s an attack of some sort, emergency at some point, you don t want people to say, it s another false alarm. gillian: everybody because false sense when it comes to these kinds of alert that really do at the end of the day end up saving lives, protecting people, lucas made a really interesting chilling point that i hadn t thought of which is, perhaps this wasn t a mistake, perhaps this was some kind of motivated attack against the united states by an infiltrator, we don t know, this is just speculation, of course, at this hour but if this was not an accident, who is the perpetrator and how can they be stopped and how can this be how can we prevent this from happening again, it s very scary. mike: if you are just joining us, folks in hawaii woke up to alert on their phones telling them there was an emergency, perhaps an incoming missile, 35 minutes later, democratic congressman tulsi gabbard got the information that it was false alarm and there s no incoming missile and there s no incoming missile and so the question is at this point, the breaking news trying to figure out why this happened, who is responsible, was it a mistake, was it a hacking, these days we don t feel like our personal information is secure and so it s a foreign actor or what caused this. lucas, i want to ask you while we still got you on the line here, we are hearing from u.s. pacific command, from the spokesperson, they are confirming that it was a false alarm, do you know do you have anything else on that, can you tell us what you re hearing from your sources? gillian, the u.s. pacific command is based in hawaii and they track all of north korea s ballistic launches and when they put out the statement, people with rest assure not only are actors, these are the guys and women that you track this type of missile launches, they could make that judgment. gillian: while we have you, i want to get viewers the benefit of tapping into your expertise, can you tell us a word about pacific commands mission and what they do more broadly? the u.s. pacific command is the largest combatant command in the world leading the u.s. military, the pentagon has divided the world into different sections, the pacific, u.s. pacific command based in hawaii in pearl harbor runs all u.s. military operations, army, navy, air force, marines, in the entie pacific region, southern pacific, all the way to hawaii and parts of the pacific. so you re talking about hundreds of warships based in hawaii, you re talking about ships based gillian: lucas, we have to
that. but let s get to the real heart of the matter you are connected to the president because you re on his evangelical council. the fact is many of those countries like haiti are in the worst situations because of governments that are not taking care of their own people. we are talking about people leaving their own country and coming to america when in reality president trump clearly ran on a make america great again policy, which is why he won. americans want people, if they do come to america, to offer something that will be better for america, not just simply send people who because of their weak, broken governments, dishonorable in a lot of ways governments in some of these countries who are not taking care of their own people. the bible says that a person is worst than an infidel when they refuse to take care of their own people of their own kind. i believe president trump was saying it is clear that we love thy neighbor. people say, pastor what about love thy neighbor. we love our neighbors. we send hundreds of millions of dollars of aid to men in these countries and these corrupt government is, and leaders taking advantage of the people that are there. even the clintons who allegedly stole millions and millions of dollars from the earthquake relief fund i see you looking crazy, joy. i m just listening to you. everybody can do a quick meme and they can say look at what joy looks like on television. we do love thy neighbor. we do help. we don t leave people test put. those millions of dollars could be coming to america to help other minorities in our own country. can i get a word in edgewise? it is your show. you quoted first timothy 5 through 8, and that verse refers to a man who would not take care of his own family and immediate family. sure. i m a church girl. i used to teach sunday school in denver, colorado. i love a bible verse myself. hold on talk more about jesus on your show. i will quote the word of the lord. isaiah 10:2, in the bible says whoa to though who enact evil statutes and who constantly record unjust decisions so to deprive the needy of justice so that widows may be their spoil and they may plunder orphans. the bible verse you talked about talking about caring for one s own family and immediate family. this bible verse that is repeated much more in the bible talks about caring for the least of these widows and orphans. you talked about haiti, specifically not caring for its own people. a golfment that vernment that i. how can you justify sending people back to such a country? how can you as a man of god justify sending people back to that country. this is not about sending people back. this is what donald trump s policy is. we the deeds is answer my question first. the deeds are this, words are answer my question first. wait a second. hold on a second. we re not talking about sending african-americans to haiti. time out. time out. am joy. time out. time out. joy, this is the i will get an answer to my question before you do another i let you talk for a long time. how do you justify, sir, you re the one who said that this is about trump s deeds. trump s deed is to revoke and send people back to haiti, a country you said is ill-equipped to take care of its own people. it s not the responsibility of the united states of america to be the united states of the global world. this is the united states of america. you, joy, i am american. the president of the united states job, i had vhis vow and s to protect and defend the constitution of the united states and the citizens of the united states. now, we are not leaving those people to die. we re sending aid. you re sending them to die. we re sending millions of dollars. let me say let me ask you a question. you don t have to ask me questions, when i m on your show you can ask whatever you want. your party wants to cut the aid. your party doesn t believe in foreign aid. wouldn t that money do good for other african-americans? let s talk about the black mothers and fathers. okay. i think you are now are you then advocating for universal healthcare to make sure those black mothers and fathers in this country have healthcare? let s talk about the nfl, and people not getting their money. the nfl? what does the nfl have to do with universal healthcare in america. let s talk about black people in america. we re talking about black people in haiti. let s talk about black people in america. i have one more question. there s one thing that the president and i do disagree with. that s good. i disagree that i don t think we need more more reference to his norwegian immigration policy. i don t think we need more white liberals coming to america. i think we need to share it all. when we open the door, as we open the door, we don t need more white liberals coming to the country. are you saying that you want to have a policy based on peoples ideology? norwegians have been quite clear they don t want to come up here. this is america, joy. you re on you re on i know where i love. one more question. i will attempt to get an answer to it. black people in america are suffering. i m one of them. i knows there plenty of black people here. so am i. they re suffering. so we re talking about haiti. what is the role one more question. i will give you one more chance to answer my question, then we ll be done here. you re wasting my time when you talk over me and don t answer my question. you re wasting my time. then good-bye. let s bring in our panel. we have tara dowdell. karine jean-pierre, and maria kumar. i will throw it out to the panel. i don t know i got an answer to my question on whether or not the u.s. role in the world is keved by sending people from specifically haiti back to a country that pastor burns says is substandard, ill equipped and cannot take care of its own people. you are of haitian background. can you make sense of that, karine jean-pierre? i can t make sense of anything he just said. it s troubling the words he used, the comments he made. let s be clear. i think he and donald trump need to go through a history lesson of this country, of the united states, and also countries of haiti, especially if you re talking about people in the way he s talking about haiti. hate pi haditi had a successful independence, their independence encouraged the freedom movement for south america. another thing he needs to understand, the pastor and donald trump need to understand is that haiti has been exploited and governed by the united states in the past. it s troubling when you have people who call themselves a pastor, a person who is in the white house who doesn t have any time of understanding of history at all. also haiti contributed so much to this country. i want to go back to the top when you were talking about racism, if donald trump said those things or not with the pastor. look, if it walks like a duck if it walks like a racist, talks like a racist, acts like a racist, it s a racist. we have a racist president in the white house who pushes his racism like a peacock. it s clear how he feels about immigration. he puts basically a sign on the statue of liberty saying whites only. no one else need to apply. it s troubling, and i really throw this to the republicans out there on the hill, what are you going to do? are you really going to continue to embrace all this racism policies that the president puts forth? is that what you re going to do? you know, it s going to be troubling. next week will be an important week because we have the cr coming forth, and democrats and republicans need to make sure that the d.r.e.a.m. act is included. absolutely. pastor mark burns who does not believe in taking care my brother s keeper, being thy brother s keeper said we need to have witnesses in the room to tell us what happened. no, i was not in the room. let me play somebody who was. senator dick durbin of illinois, the only person so far who had the guts to come out and say to camera rwhat happened in that room, and no one has yet to call him a liar. here he is on friday telling us what happened in the room. you ve seen the comments in the press. i ve not read one of them that s inaccurate. he went on and started to describe the immigration from africa being protected in this bipartisan measure. that s when he used this vile and vulgar comments calling the nations they come from shitholes. the exact word used by the president. not more, not just once, but repeatedly. that was the nature of this conversation. you know, evan, you are republican. that s true. you know the policy of the republican party not just donald trump is at present to limit immigration, particularly limit immigration from non-european countries. mitt romney said self-deportation. donald trump, not his words, to pastor burns commentary, but his deeds are more deportation, fewer immigrants that are not european, apparently more norwegians. wonder why he wants that. what do you make of those comments made in the oval office? is there a way back for donald trump from having said that. donald trump campaigned on making america great again. he wants other countries to respect us. now he s being going around the country saying other countries now respect us. no, they don t respect us when you re willing to insult other countries and people from there. i think that it s not making america great again. it s making america look weak. like we have an insecure bully leading us. one big problem we have is that world leaders look at donald trump and think this is not a guy playing with a full deck in terms of he doesn t understand what the situations are. he doesn t even know what s all in the foreign policy circles the rule of five. when you talk about one country, it affects four other countries. he doesn t consult with them, our allies are upset. as a conservative one thing that attracted me to the movement is how we talked about morals and stand up for people who were treated badly and how we would push back against coarse language. the president of the united states is the top of that. what happens when i go to somebody from nigeria, haiti, and say i actually care about you? donald trump is the prism in which the republican party is viewed through. they ll see me as another racist. when we come back, i ll let the rest of the panel in one big irony of all this is that the republican party seems to believe in a grand and big role in the world for america, and that america had more leadership to exert around the world. we heard from donald trump s pastoral advisers, reverend burns, was no, the only obligation of the american president is to zero in on our interests in the united states and to hell with the rest of the world. that s an interesting way to make america great again. my panel is sticking around. more am joy coming up. whooo! yeah! mmmmm. want some? it s good, it s refreshing. this is what our version of financial planning looks like. tomorrow is important, but she s only seven once. spend your life living. find an advisor at northwesternmutual.com. running a small business is demanding. and that s why small business owners need more. like internet that s up to the challenge. the gig-speed network from comcast business gives you more. with speeds up to 20 times faster than the average. that means powering more devices, more video conferencing, and more downloads in seconds, not minutes. get fast internet and add phone and tv for only $34.90 more per month. comcast is building america s largest gig-speed network to give small businesses more. call 1-800-501-6000 today. mr. president, are you a racist? mr. president, will you respond to these serious questions about the statement, sir? mr. president, are you a racist. one day after making unde undeniably racist comments, trump ignored shouted questions from april ryan about whether or not he is a racist. this occurred moments after he signed a proclamation honoring dr. martin luther king jr. as we often say about this presidency, you cannot make this stuff up. we re back with our guests. we will get everybody in. i will start at the table. mari maria, i will let you respond to it all. last night i said i m concerned about three other words that the president said that no one is disputing, which is take them out. because what that means in terms of policy on the ground. in response to the pastor, you know, i wish that he would take his flock to the many multiple immigrant detention centers, immigrant detention camps, because they are filled with africans and haitians. people think it s just mexicans like me. no, no, no. it s filled with people from there. so this notion of we re prote protecting our own, no, no, no, these are our people. they are, in fact, being rounded up and they are being placed into these no one has seen them. i ve been thinking about this. you don t see every night the parade of immigrants that are being detained and then put into these places. you don t see them. why? so then what happens when the president labels these countries and the people from these countries this terrible word? i was impressed the new york times had a piece this morning that said there s an international conversation around the dehumanizing of migrants. yep. what does that mean? so what that calls upon all of us is to elevate the conversation. this is not like pretend. this is happening now. i feel it urgently. it is very important. we get caught up. because this is cable tv, the media is sort of zeroing in on that word. because the fact is the president of the united states speaks in such vulgar terms. it s shocking. but maria makes a point, which is it s the policies cha are really at issue here. you had even before donald trump mislabeling all those countries, mass deportation was his strategy. rounding people up. they ve been deporting young people who have daca despite their status that is supposed to be protected. he yanked tps from haitians, from hondurans, you re talking about tens of thousands of people that this president wants to deport. he said put me down for wanting more europeans. they re trying to exchange non-white immigrants for white immigrants, and it s the policy that is at issue. racist believes equal racist policies. that s the point. that s why trump s rhetoric is so dangerous and why we need to condemn it forcibly and we need do it over and over again. people say why do you keep talking about this over and over again? the other side of the coin is not only do racist believes drive racist policies, racist believes repeated over and over again in the way donald trump is doing it drives conscious and unconscious bias. that s the same unconscious bias and conscious boyias that stoia people of color from getting loans, stops people from getting employed, the same unconscious bias that is tearing families apart. people who were contributing in this country, making this country better, sending them back to countries that are unsafe, that they had the bravery to escape and come here to seek a better life which is the promise of america. right. i want to make one more point. i heard people say we shouldn t highlight the huge success stories. we should highlight the success stories of those people, the big success stories, because the point of white supremacy is to demonstrate that people of color, immigrants don t have the ability to do big things. don t have the intellectual riggri rigor to pull off big things. every time donald trump says this. to be clear, somebody listening to pastor burns, maybe not in this audience, someone listening to pastor burns, what he said will resonate. unconscious bias will destroy this country, and conscious bias has been the bane of this country s existence. donald trump is basically the embodiment of that. yeah. at the same time, it says on the statue of liberty, give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free. it didn t say give us your highly intellectual blond nor regions, or we can guarantee conservatives. the doe humehumanitarianization migrants which is the bigger picture, and brexit, donald trump said before that all haitians, all have aids. and he said that for nigerians, once they seen the united states they would never go back to their huts in africa. this is not a mindset that donald trump did not invent. there s a mindset in the party that anyone coming to the party is coming to steal welfare, live off the american people, and that they are a drain on society and it s easy to get them out as donald trump says, push them all out. that s called ignorance, that s what that is called. any educated, thoughtful good person would disagree with any of those comments that donald trump made regarding those countries. everybody knows that. there s none of my friends that i know that are republicans think that those comments are dandy and they don t unite people. but what we have got to look at is, you know, we all agree on this panel, we all agree that s not what we need. and that, you know, america was built on, you know, immigrants. but what we need to do is we have got some serious issues coming down the pipe. that s daca. we have some people that are very nervous, joy, wondering if they re going to have to leave their home. they know america. that s the only home they know. we have got to learn how to work together. even though these comments are heinous, they re bad. we have to work together to make sure we can get some good legislation that we can get protection for daca and we can get, you know, our borders continuing to be secure. so we have a lot of things that we have got to go past and look past. while i like a thoughtful conversation on things, i think things have to be addressed, we have some darn really important issues that we have got to work together as right and left to make sure these people are protected. maria, can democrats realistically work across the table with a president who sees a korean american analyst come into his office to brief him on important policy matters and demands to know where she s from, insists when she says new york, manhattan, that he tells her, no where your people are from. when she reveals she s korean-american, says why don t we have the pretty korean lady negotiating with north korea. this is somebody who is so deeply unable to see somebody as just a human being, i m not sure democrats can negotiate with him. here are the people in the room with him when he was making the policy. there s one latino in the room. he also is not one of the people that pushed back. my former congressman didn t say anything back. how do democrats work with these people? it s not even the democrats. the republicans have a serious problem. he s permanently damaging their brand. let s take a step back. he is creating immigration policy absent the democrats and the republicans coming up with anything. what i mean by that, by rescinding daca and tps, by ensuring we don t address the back lock of 3 million people waiting for residency because of backlog, he s creating a whole class of undocumented immigrants that all of a sudden get rounded up even though they re playing by the rules that the federal government laid out they should be doing. he s creating a whole new class of undocumented i grants so that you have the prison industry, the prison detention industry making a lot of money. when we say his he likes to boast and say deportations are down. he s right they are down, but we are right now witnessing an expansion of the detention system the way we have never seen before. the other thing that they are trying to do now at border is encouraging the separation of children and parents from each other. that is un-american. that is something that is vile. that is going against our family values. i want to address what reverend burns said. he was so knowledgeable on our contributions when it comes to foreign aid, less than 2% of our gdp goes to foreign aid. it s to ensure we have authority that we have a leadership in the world and more importantly it s we are the beacon of recognizing human rights. we are doing a dismal job now within our borders. shame on the republican party that does not see what they are doing to this country. we are right now if you are in a kindergarten class of 5-year-olds, they are the first generation of a majority minority country. we have 25 years to get this stuff straight, we re not doing it well for our children. i wish we had more time. i want to thank the panel. thank you guys. appreciate it. coming up, before the 2016 election, a candidate paid somebody six figures to cover up an affair. stay with us. for a limited time, enjoy two free perks like complimentary wifi and drinks, plus savings for everyone in your stateroom, when you book now. during the celebrity cruises sail beyond event. coming up on am joy, we discuss the recent allegations that donald trump s lawyer paid off a former porn star to keep quiet about an affair she had with donald trump. that s next. stay with us. for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. clifford a year after trump married melania. the journal s sources say clifford does not claim the account was nonconsensual. in statements released friday neither the white house nor trump s lawyer denied the payment. according to a statement, the woman denies an affair with trump, but daniels reherself cod not be reached for comment. there s a couple weird things about this story. the statement. the fact that michael cohen sent this statement to the wall street journal and to us at nbc, and it is signed by stormy daniels, this woman s stage name. and it is dated january 10, 2018, which says rumors that d strike you as odd? it did. we contacted cohen on wednesday morning, and we got this statement about three hours after that. is he her lawyer? no, he s not her lawyer. the relationship as we reported it, they reached a nondisclosure agreement. so she and he agreed to keep any allegation of a sexual encounter confidential. yeah. he asked for the statement, potentially she sent it to him. so it could be the chain of custody is that the statement was sent by her to him and by him to you. we reached out to her several times. just as a matter of journalistic practice, those who are watching the show, so you know, when there s a story about someone, we reach out to them for comment, we give them sufficient time, would it be normal to reach out for comment from stormy daniels rather than stephanie clifford? the name on the response is her stage nanl. i m not sure what s normal in this situation. she goes by stormy daniels, that s how she signed it. part of the cohen statement sent to us at nbc, it says these rum verse been circumstan rumors have been circumstance lated sin sing latcirculated since 2011. is this the same woman who was mentioned as having been having an affair allegedly hushed up by the national inquirer before the election? not the same woman. we reported before the election that karen mcdoingal, a fo acdo had an affair, and she was paid $150,000 not to talk about her aa affa affair. the other thing that makes this story interesting, normally it would be a front page story, but with donald trump it s not the top story this week. you had in the michael wolf book, fire and fury, and it s been reported elsewhere that according to steve bannon, steve bannon claims that donald trump s lawyer took care of 100 women or so drurduring the presidential campaign. this is a business insider article that is an excerpt from this book. kasowitz has known trump for 25 years. he la ghas gotten him out of a of jams, bannon reportedly said. do you think there s other women? we don t know of other women besides the two we reported on that were paid. it s possible there were threats made against other women. it is possible there were other payments made. we don t have reporting now. seems like a high number, 100. it seems. just to be silenced, but there were a lot of allegations. i don t know whether that s an accurate or not. an interesting story. apparently she was going to do an interview, tv interviews. just to button this up, you have not been able to talk to this woman directly? no, we reached out to her. she hasn t commented. both she and karen mcdoogle were going to go on good morning america at around the same time, neither went on. stormy daniels spoke to other media outlets as well, but has not spoken publicly. she is welcome to come on this show if she wants. coming up in the next hour, dianne feinstein spills the beans and oprah opens the door. more am joy after the break. before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. xeljanz xr is a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. it can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don t start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you were in a region where fungal infections are common and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. xeljanz xr can reduce the symptoms of ra, even without methotrexate. ask your rheumatologist about xeljanz xr. everything we stand for. when you ve got a close mate, you stand with them in times of adversity, but you call them out when they re wrong. there are many things about which donald trump is wrong. donald trump is skipping a scheduled trip to london next month. he says it s because of a bad deal ork trachestrated by the o administration to sell the embassy. it looks like the real reason he called off the trip was because londoners didn t want him there in the first place. his devicive rhetoric and agenda are not welcome in london and will be met with mass peaceful protest. joining me to discuss is martin lewis. donald trump tweeted the reason i cancelled my trip to london is i am not a big fan of the obama administration having sold the best located embassy in london. bad deal. wanted me to cut ribbon. no. is that why trump cancelled? listen, first of all, i normally defer to president trump on anything matters to do with real estate. after all, he had real estate companies that went bankrupt four times and in the 70s the u.s. government charged his landlord companies with racial prejudice. but on this he happens to be completely correct. the reason the u.s. embassy in london was moved was instigated by george w. bush after 9/11. it wasn t a bad deal. the obama administration oversaw it. they got a new embassy built for $1.2 billion. it didn t cost the u.s. taxpayers one cent. the obama administration was so good they actually sold off the old embassy and did it for nothing. a hint to president trump, that s the way to get the mexican wall built. just sell off all the trump properties. the mayor of london said, look, don t come. the londoners are glad donald trump isn t coming. can you just unpap tck the background of the feud between those two men. when london had a terrorist attack, donald trump misquoted a remark by sadiq khan and just started these insults. sadiq khan stands up to bullies and won t have anything of it. this is actually quite good news for the president, because the british equivalent of the attorney general has the power to ban anybody who is considered an undesirable person. they have so far 1.9 million british people have signed a petition saying he s undesirable. he got a record breaking 128% said he is undesirable. it s amazing because we haven t seen this much a do yu anticipate that happening? the demonstrations would be larger than the crowd that he had for the inauguration. moreover, under british law, if he said anything that was racially hateful or insighting, he could be arrested. he doesn t get diplomatic immunity. you have to be diplomatic to get diplomatic i manhunmmunity. if you re a criminal in prison, you re not allowed to wareear a wig, a hair plug or a weave. i have to ask about donald trump s shithole countries comments. i hate using the word shithole. could we change it to trumphole? i think that would be better. he said africa is a nation. africa is a continent. when you an intern read you a health report and say you are incontinent, that s the continent. the african continent has 54 nations, 18 of which are part of the british commonwealth, whose head her majesty the queen. i ll tell you who they really would like to see in britain make a state visit. that is the delightful porn actress stormy daniels. she d be very welcome. that ses a go s es s es a t news for donald trump. if he pays every american $130,000 to keep our mouth shut, we d all shut it and it would only cost him $423 trillion. martin lewis, you re a national treasure. up next, when it comes to the trump dossier, sunlight is the best disinfectant. that s next. there are two types of people in the world. those who fear the future. and those who embrace it. the future is for the unafraid. all because of you tremendous amount of money. for weeks donald trump and his allies have been spinning a tale about how the real russia scandal is not about trump at all, but rather the infamous dossier with its explosive claims unearthed by christopher steele. team trump has dismissed the dossier as false and politically motivated. their allies in the republican party have pursued those responsible for producing the dossier, rather than investigating its claims, all while refusing to release testimony by the cofounders of fusion gps, the company that hired christopher steele in the first place. diane feinstein released the 312-page transcript of testimony by glenn simpson, the head of fusion gps before the senate judiciary committee. over ten hours of questioning, simpson painstakingly gave answers that tell a very different story than what we ve been hearing from trump world. simpson said mr. steele has a sterling reputation as a person who doesn t exaggerate, doesn t make things up. going onto add, everyone i know who s ever dealt with him thinks he s quite good. that would include people from the u.s. government. simpson also testified when steele went to the fbi, his motivation doesn t political. he thought there was an issue, a security issue about whether a presidential candidate was being blackmailed. simpson said the information steele was revealing doesn t news to the fbi. quote, they believed chris s information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing. one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the trump organization. joining me now paul butler and malcolm nance. thank you for being here. there were four commthree commit received testimony by these fusion gps heads. why did you decide to do that? because i think people are entitled to know what was said and the lawyers also wanted it released. i see no problem with releasing it. senator grassly says you ve jeopardized their ability to get certain witnesses like kushner. your reaction? i don t think so. that s been difficult in any event. is diane feinstein right, that there was nothing preventing this information from being released and it does not prevent the committees from receiving further testimony? absolutely. it has nothing to do with kushner. mueller or the congress can subpoena him and make him talk. when there s a movie made about this, there s going to be this dramatic scene where we see steele doing routine opposition research and he comes across information that s so troubling that he thinks the man who was the next president of the united states is subject to blackmail. he goes to his boss and tells him the evidence. he s concerned there s a crime in progress and that s when they go to the fbi. this is very damaging testimony. if you could just sort of unpack for the viewers, you know, if somebody like christopher steele is hired to do sort of general research and he finds information and on his own goes to the fbi, how strong a signal is that that there s not just necessarily evidence of a crime, but of something really potentially jeopardizing american national security. people in the intelligence community, whether it s the united states or foreign allies, we all have a level of counter intelligence security that we constantly keep honed in case we see something that s nefarious. it s built into your career field. so when someone is doing research, even though he s collecting what we call rumor intelligence, and he sees this sort of snowballing effect of information that shows that a candidate for presidency of the united states is not just, you know, under the influence of people, but may in fact be in cooperation or conspiracy with these people, you know, it doesn t just affect the national security of the united states. it affects the national security of all of the nato allies and anyone who will be in any form of communication or contact with the united states. so the first thing you want to do is you want to report that. the in fact he went to the fbi tells him that there was a crime in progress. he felt compelled to bring this to us. and most interesting is the fact that we already knew. there are other information out there on this subject, i m sure. we re going to come back to that in a moment. one of the things that s been the most troubling, the idea that there was a potential crime in progress, a national security threat in progress. but the way that republicans have responded to that is not by saying, oh my god, we need to go ahead and investigate that crime and figure out how to secure the united states. senators have referred the author of the dossier for a criminal probe. they ve actually said that it is christopher steele who is the criminal. this is diane feinstein responding to the republican s attack on christopher steele. why do you think they referred to steele to the justice department for potential criminal investigation? my own view, because to my knowledge there has not been a single fact in that reported that has been proven to be incorrect, that it s really to muddy the waters and create a problem. you know, steele brought this information in to the fbi. it s quite amazing that you get punished for providing information. i mean, how dangerous is that, that somebody providing information could themselves face punishment for partisan reasons? it s extremely dangerous. it s dangerous in two facets. one is legal. i think they re trying to demonize christopher steele, who has a sterling character, a great reputation. there s no basis for it. to try to prevent him from testifying in the united states, because if you look at the damage that the fusion gps testimony did to trump s reputation and the helpfulness of it to the mueller probe, you could see if that s that bad, then what does christopher steele have to say. the other way this battle is being fought is as pr and for the republicans as propaganda. they need to consider not just how the probe is going to be conducted but how americans are going to receive this information. who are they going to consider trustworthy? what are they going to do if they find out that the fbi has been looking into trump s connections with the kremlin for a long time. this person is now the president of the united states and has put our sovereignty in jeopardy, has put our national security in jeopardy, and the republican party has done absolutely nothing about it but try to abet it. they have to think what can we do to make americans feel like this is inaccurate information. they ve been trying to put that groundwork in play for a long time so that when mueller does reveal more information, people simply won t accept it. is christopher steele in legitimate legal jeopardy here? can republicans actually get him prosecuted? no. the concern, joy, is that the congressional investigations are getting dogged do bogged down i with the democrats fulfilling their responsibility to the united states by focusing on collusion and whether the president in his campaign tried to steal the election and cover up. the republicans are deflecting. unsubstantiated concerns about steele and hillary clinton. once again, the nation has to turn its anxious eyes to robert mueller, the special council. that s probably the only way we re going to get an objective version about whether there was collusion and a coverup by the campaign. meanwhile, you have trump s lawyer michael cohen suing buzzfeed which released the dossier. how much did these threats of either prosecution or legal action chill the work of people like him who might want to come forward? you already had those australian diplomats come forward and apparently implicate geor doe chill the work of people in the field to know that there would be a witch hunt against them or lawsuits attached to them if they come forward to try to help the united states? no, i don t think so. to tell you the truth, anyone who s a professional in this field who gains information that is at this level of significance is going to be out raising the alarms. this does not just affect the national security of the united states. the fact that an australian came forward and brought that information to his intelligence agency, that a british intelligence officer who ran the russia desk would have to collect this information and see that there was a national security risk to the united kingdom as well as the united states and all of nato by extension, tells you of the professionalism of these individuals. the trump administration right now by going after them in a criminal setting is just making a laughingstock out of themselves. what it will do is you re going to find out that nation states may decide they are going to start passing on information and not leave it up to individuals, because their own national sovereignty may be at stake with a president who is technically out of control. there is the question of the trustworthiness of the united states and how much other countries can actually share with the united states and how much our leadership shares with the public. i don t know if you are troubled by the fact that the fbi, knowing they were investigating donald trump, didn t say so while they did confirm they were investigating hillary clinton. there is at some level of the fbi an unwillingness to let the american people know what was happening. does that trouble you? it troubles me grateleatly. i m troubled by the stuff in the testimony from fusion gps about the media, about the fact that they went to publications like the new york times who then said there is no link between trump and the kremlin, knowing full well there was. and that was before the election. had this information come out before the election, it may have swayed it in a different direction and we wonuldn t be having this conversation right now. i m really glad that senator feinstein did this. what we need most of all is transparen transparency. malcolm, you were signaling agreement. absolutely. so long as the information we re getting by the way, the information we re getting right now is a fraction of what is in the hands of the special counsel robert mueller. just imagine what he has. when it comes out, whether it s in the a report or leaks in the future, this is going to be earth shattering. there is just no way that this is not going to be one of the most significant events in the history of the united states. do you think at this stage, if you had to guess, that bob mueller already has the answers to his questions and is now providing backup in case he needs to do process accuse cushions that will stick? mueller has an extraordinary power to subpoena everybody to the grand jury and make them talk under penalty of perjury. if we are learning all of these damaging revelations from the press and congress, the person with the real power is robert mueller. he knows a lot. and from all reports, what he knows is incredibly damaging to the president of the united states. to quote you, paul butler, the nation turns its lonely eyes to mueller. up next, steve bannon out of work and on the hot seat. 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ask your rheumatologist about humira. what s your body of proof? priebus. congressman, i m going to start with you. what do you think congress could in theory get out of steve bannon, who famously in the book by michael wolf exempted himself from being in any contact with russians? thank you, joy, for that question. let me first say that i believe high level trump associates including potentially the president himself are in increasing legal jeopardy. that s because insiders have turned on them. we already know that michael flynn has flipped and can cooperating with the special counsel. now we know that steve bannon is going to fully cooperate with house investigates. this is at a time when steve bannon has been abandoned by the president and his allies. we all look forward to what he s doing to say. it is fascinating, the extent to which steve bannon sort of gives himself credit for kind of creating donald trump, as if donald trump sprang out of his imagination. you now have donald trump in this recent interview saying he feels betrayed. asked if the split was permanent, he said we ll see what happens. that sounds like donald trump doesn t necessarily think they re split permanently. i wonder if you think that bannon does think it s permanent and he s now ready to torch donald trump in front of that committee? it s a very interesti ining and yang you have here. maybe it might be worth for donald trump to throw a nugget out there that, well, maybe reconciliation is possible to try to elicit some sort of loyalty from steve, who s made it very clear he s not going to go down to protect donald trump jr., ivanka trump or jared kushner because he hates them. ultimately, steve s lease on life politically is tied to donald trump and he needs donald trump in order to have any attempt at regaining political relevancy or influence again. at the same time it is interesting bannon is a navy man. i believe he did have a military career for a little while. and while he is a white nationalist and incredibly vile, it was interesting hearing him describe donald trump jr. s actions in meeting with russians to get dirt from a foreign adversary to help the campaign as treasonous. he has nothing in his self-interest to say that. does that make him an interesting potential person to testify to bob mueller? if i were to equate this to the valerie plame trial, i would put steve bannon in the karl rove unindicted coconspirator role. karl rove didn t go to jail. scooter lib by did. bannon has been hedging his bets this entire time, knowing this information. the question is, when he goes in before the house intelligence committee, will he view the house republicans as providing him ample cover for him to not say anything? or as you said, will he burn donald trump to the ground? i don t believe that he ll burn trump to the ground. i think he ll try to sort of finesse the answers. i think jared kushner i don t think he ll spare jared kushner any favors at all during his testimony. but donald trump jr., he may just play stupid and say that he just doesn t know. yeah. his apology was very focused on donald trump jr. but it is interesting, because donald trump, whether he wants to wall himself off from this book or not, he really can t. michael wolf is literally everywhere. here he is on tuesday describing the way bannon really feels about donald trump. the president at this moment in time was much stronger than steve bannon thought he would be. i think steve anticipated my book would appear and that would begin to precipitate his break with donald trump, who frankly he thinks is an idiot. not only thinks he s an idiot, but tucked in the friday new york times story about donald trump and steve bannon s break was this very intriguing information that in 2015 steve bannon and pethe guy who wrote clinton cash, that the new york times sucked up and turned into news today fodder. that same team produced a dossier about donald trump. that new york times article specifically said that dossier was about, quote, mob ties. is it now time for congress, for these relevant committees, to is that dossier to find out what steve bannon dug up on donald trump? absolutely. when you look at the fusion gps testimony, there s a lot in there about organized crime and connections potentially to donald trump. so i think that s a great point that you made. also i think it s important to note that after their fire and fury came out, steve bannon s regret statement did not say that he did not say what he said, he just regretted what he said. it s going to be hard to walk back any of his words. does it surprise you that bannon he had trump on his radio show frequently in 2015. obviously he was trying to bring him along and make him more like jeff sessions and sort of push along his natural racial proclivities to turn that into potential policy. but does it surprise you that he also investigated donald trump? i remember at the time during the primary that their plan was to come up with dirt on every single candidate and release tidbits throughout the republican primary. i don t think anyone thought, including steve bannon, that donald trump would win the primary and go on to be president. he wasn t invested necessarily from day one in the idea that trump was going to be the guy and he would find himself at his right hand entering the white house. they were trying to get dirt on every candidate. their priority was getting attention on breitbart to try to make breitbart the main conversation driver of the republican presidential primary. over time that shifted and changed as it became clear that trump was going to become a legitimate, credible candidate, i guess we ll call it. hence that dossier on trump went nowhere after a certain point. there s a reason for that. yeah. if that intel is it s interesting, malcolm. you had the russian part of it where they were communicating with somebody inside the campaign. it looks like it was focused on trying to compel donald junior and jared kushner. in your view, would it be logical they would have been communicating with bannon and that bannon might actually have material information? i ve said this from the very beginning, joy, way back in september 2016. there were multiple russian teams making multiple contact with multiple individuals within the trump campaign and around the trump campaign in order to shape the narrative that they wanted pressed. it apparently was very successful. they seem to always get what they want in the end and they have people around them who are trying to work in their interests. bannon, on the other hand, as you know was also on the board of cambridge analytica. they themselves could possibly be the bridge between russian social media collection and targeting american citizens in voting in the three states where the election was held. you note that mueller brought on a cyber prosecution specialist to investigate just acts like that. it s very interesting. thank you guys for being here. average lasagna? not in this house. cause that s no average family. that s your family. which is why you didn t grab just any cheese. you picked up kraft mozzarella with a touch of philadelphia for lasanyeah! kraft. family greatly. more than 7 wonders. for a limited time, enjoy two free perks like complimentary wifi and drinks, plus savings for everyone in your stateroom, when you book now. during the celebrity cruises sail beyond event. you re somebody that i am glad that you re willing to come on and i do try to be fair to you and i m glad that you can see that. as to the idea that i need to move to haiti to be concerned about the people there, sir, you are a pastor. and in the bible you love to quote the bible. let me quote you john. it says whoever sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of god abide in him? i too am the child of immigrants and african-americans and people who consider ourselves african-americans, some of us have parents who are immigrants. by the way, since you addressed haiti specifically, let me tell you what haiti has done for us. haitians fought in the revolutionary war. there were haitians among those who helped us to do efeat brita and free this country and make it independent. haitians overthrew the army to make possible the louisiana purchase. haitians built and created the culture of new orleans. you can t hate new orleans, right? but that culture could not have existed without the migration of people from haiti to new orleans to escape because haiti had been overthrown. haitians live in this country and contribute as doctors, as lawyers, as nurses, as scientists, as statesmen. they are a part of the fabric of this country. sir, african-americans include haitian americans. so pastor burns, i hope that you will open your heart to the people of this world, to the people of this country and do your duty as a christian to love your neighbor as yourself. but thanks for sharing your views. beyond is a natural pet food puritanical society? very excited about this panel. i m going to start with you. the way donald trump speaks, depending on whether you think there s some cognitive decline or whether it s just unfiltered malice, when you looked at the s-hole countries stuff this week, what did you hear? frankly, i think that we re dealing less with cognitive decline than trump has simply learn he can talk the way he always has and as . i think he just talks the way a person feels like talking rather than dressing up his speech. the business about the s-holeis- that again this is something that you might say if you are a racist and i do believe he is a classic archie bunker racist. the surprise is he would say this in a public setting. i m not surprised that he thinks of haiti and el salvador and africa as, quote, unquote, shitholes. he said it as a kind of stunt to show he can do whatever he wants. it really fell out of his gosh darned mouth. do you think it was in part because he was in what he saw as unmixed company. there was one person that was aa latino in a room. he was mostly in a room with white older men. he says what he feels. you wrote a recent op ed in the sacramento bee where the headline was, trump is using twitter to manipulate the country, here s how to stop falling for it. when i read donald trump s tweets, i see them as streams of consciousness the same as his speaking style. he s just dumping whatever s in his brain onto twitter. do you disagree with that? yes, i do. trump is a super salesman. he s been selling for 50 years. he knows how to do it. he does it instinctively and strategically in every case. his tweets are all strategic. they have four types. one is to frame first, preemptive framing. second is to divert attention from whatever threat is coming at him. then there s attack the messenger, which is attack the press, for example. and lastly, to try out some outrage yoou outrageous thing to see if there s a public reaction. all of the tweets are of that form and they re natural because that s what salesmen do. they know how he knows thousand how to do this. they re all strategic, every one of them. they re general. they re not particular strategies. these are general strategies. so he s quite strategic and he s not just talking off the top of his head. the use of the curse words is not just something he happens to be saying because he s not thinking. quite the opposite. what he s doing is appealing to his base. the use of the curse words, one, show masculinity of a certain kind. secondly, they gain attention. thirdly, they show strength of feeling and they appeal to the kind of ideas that his base has. so in all cases, he s appealing to his base. i don t know if you agree with that. i don t. tell me your disagreement. with all due respect, i think you re giving him too much credit. you use the word instinctive. i think he has an animal instinct to defend himself in the same way as somebody smacking somebody on the butt with a towel in a locker room does. he s not sophisticated. he s not that kind of pooebeast. all of this stuff just happens because he s a jerk. this is donald trump s tweet from january 7th. he said, the fake news awards, those going to the most corrupt and biassed of the mainstream media will be presented to the losers on wednesday january 1 h 17th. the interest in and importance of these awards is far greater than anyone could have anticipated. that s an example of his tweet. what strategy would you say is behind that? preempt ive framing. he s framing the awards and attacking the free press. it s important to know what to do about it. we can do a lot about it. first, you can help him by simply retweeting it or by taking what he says and putting it on tv. if you take what he says and put it on tv, even if you criticize him, it doesn t matter. it gets his idea out there. i wrote a book called don t think of an elephant . if you deny something, you raise that idea. you re saying basically ignore it. let me play one more piece of tape. this one makes it seem he doesn t quite understand where he is. this is trump talking to reporters on wednesday. he s talking about the bipartisan meeting that took place in the white house. take a listen. welcome back to the studio, nice to have you here. it was a tremendous meeting. actually it was reported as incredibly good. my performance, some of them quote that the performance, i consider it work. is that strategic or is he confused? he s not attacking a free press. he isn t mentally sophisticated enough to understand whether or not there is one. what we re talking about is somebody who has no sense of context, of adult norms, of the performative aspect of being a president. when you fight him, you have to think of somebody who s not a deliberate monster using a strategy, even if that would be more fun. you have to think of him, as i have often written, roughly 12. not at all. 12-year-olds don t become president. this one does. we might have changed that. this is a fascinating debate. we are out of time. fascinating conversation. thank you guys very much. still to come, oprah for president? 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[ cheers and applause ] nobody ever has to say me too again. thank you. even before oprah s golden globes speech was over, the push for a president winfrey had begun. should she run? and if she did, could she win? you guys are both being booked on the podcast, by the way. let s go around the horn and see if you all think the two questions, should she run, and if she ran, could she win? should she run? no. would she win if she did? possibly. okay. i think that the hubbub over really because that people see there s a lack of leadership nationally and from the white house in general. every couple of months if somebody drops a great speech or demonstrate leadership in some capacity, they become the new person. you re saying he should be president. i d vote for him. i do think someone that embodies her values, politics in terms of leadership capability is what people are looking for for the next president to embeside. i m hoping the person in the white house now is a one term president. as we re thinking about what values we want the president to have, what issues we want them to champion, she embodies that. that s the reason why you have this clinging on where it s like, yes, oprah run opinion i believe there are many other people like oprah that exists. we could rally around to be president. believe me, if those same people talking about e practice and her black girl magic running, i challenge you to support the black women who are running across the country in this mid term election. here s the thing. if we want somebody with her capabilities and values, why not just have the person that has the capabilities and values namely oprah herself. could she win, yes. donald trump, i said could win and he did. she can win. should she is a deeply i ve done this. this is really hard. the grinder that you put yourself through, she has no no herself inside and out. she s got great body language because that s why sh connects with views and have people on her twitter and show. this is a meat grinder. i think nobody should answer. she has to decide. it s a meat grinder. would you support the idea for running? i have no problem with it. i think the thing is wide open. if she runs, i want her to run as a democrat. i think she should. i think she would. she s no delicate flower. she s not just talent showing up on the set. she owns the set. she got there not just through talent but very hard work. swhen s when she created it, she didn t know anything about running a television network despite her experience running it. when own started, it struggled. she moved out to los angeles and got hands on experience and got down to the grinder. she also surrounded herself with people. that s the important part. she thoughs how to do that. that s one of the many things that trump cannot do. she s already proved she can surround herself with competent people. and she knows how to manage people. she also knows how to listen to those people. the reason trump s businesses were a disaster, he didn t know what he was doing and wouldn t hire people unless they would kiss his you know what. she s not afraid to admit she s made a mistake. she s so relatable. a lot of people will say she doesn t have political experience. they say neither did trump and look what s happening. he had some. neither did lincoln. i don t think trump s lack of political experience is the problem. what his experience is what he lacks as man, as a human being. let me ask you a question on the no, don t run side. one of the biggest barriers for running for president is you have to ramp up name id. if she hasn t to spend a dime for everyone to know her first name, why would it be more strategic to be someone with her same qualities but who is unknown or largely unknown and make them ramp themselves up to the level of name id. why not gijust run her? the reason i don t want her to run is because i m protective of her. this is being protective in that as governor dean is talking about, the grinder that s a presidential campaign. i don t want that life for her. i want her to live her life to the fullest. i don t want her two through that kind of scrutiny. that s why i would say no. there s no doubt if she came through the nomination process and was our nominee that i wouldn t support that. to your point in terms of name recognition, that s a huge barrier. running for presidency is a popularity contest. you have to have that name recognition in order to two across the country. i m extremely protective. she can do it. we have seen her go through so much. does she want to do it at this stage in her life? i hope so. will she run? going around. i hope so. no. no. i m going to say yes. i think she s thinking about. i think she s going from a hard no to a maybe. it could happen. i think she s thinking about it. i didn t say what i think. if you want to know what i think, you can check out my column in the daily beast. there it is right there. you can find out what i think in that column right there. you can download the podcost. when heartburn hits. fight back fast with tums smoothies. it starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum tum tum tum. smoothies. only from tums
person is going to be that we re going to run against. i look forward to it. i look forward to it. i really do. together with your help, your voice, your vote, we can achieve more than anybody. again, i really believe. i m not saying this as bragadocious. the tax bill when we got the individual mandate but we got one of the biggest fields in the world. they ve been trying to approve it for 40 years. that was a part of the tax bill. there s nothing beyond our reach. nothing. we need republicans put in office. we need senate. i think we re going to do pretty well with the senate. the numbers are looking pretty good. did you see the numbers from about two months ago? you see numbers now, it s like from a different world. people are seeing what we re doing. we re going to do things that nobody has been able to do. it s very funny. every time i go out to speak, we have these massive crowds. thousands were turned away. we let thousands in. she wrote an article about me. i went to the wharton school of finance. then you have to read how we re like is trump a good speaker. she s talking about he uses a language that, you know. remember i used to tell you how easy it is to be presidential. you d all be out of here now. you d be so bored. i m very presidential. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here tonight. rick saccone will be great, great congressman. he will help me very much. he s a fine man and a wonderful wife. i just want to tell you on behalf of the united states of america that we appreciate your service. we appreciate your service. to all of the military out there, we respect you very much. thank you. thank you. then you go, god bless you and god bless the united states of america. thank you very much. see, that s easy. that s much easier than doing what i have to do. this is much more effective. this got us elected. if i came like a stiff, you guys wouldn t be here tonight. she s a nice woman. i like her. she doesn t like me much. she s writing like i m some kind of a neanderthal. i m really smart. they all talk about how they re telling us they said we couldn t get elected. i say we because you came from areas. some you have never voted before but you love the country. great congressman from tennessee. they vote early. the voting gets started. he was asked a speech i was making in pennsylvania, believe it or not. he was there because one of his friends and it was lou. i didn t know him. they had early voting in tennessee. he said, you know, mr. president and at that time i wasn t president but he called me that because he saw it was happening. he said in tennessee the early voting started. i d been doing this stuff for 32 years. i ve never seen anything like it in my life. those people are coming out of hills. they re coming out of valleys p th . they are coming out of everything you can come out of. these are people that love the country but they never saw anybody they wanted to vote for. now they ve got trump. trump-pence. they ve got all the stuff. usa. it has to be right. maybe it s just pure ideas. i love that guy. he said it s heart. we all have heart. i can only tell you if the rest of the country is like tennessee you re going to win this election and it s going to be easy. we got 306 to 223. remember they said, 270. remember the famous 270. he cannot win the election because he cannot get above 270. we needed 270. in fact, they couldn t get me to 270. we had 269. he cannot get remember, to to 270. we didn t. we got to 306. we got it. somebody said i ve been running for the senate six times. you ran for president. you won. what happened is pennsylvania. remember that night? if i lost ten points. there was no way you could lose. we were winning by thousands and thousands of votes. they refused to call pennsylvania. i wanted to win. i wanted to win with pennsylvania. it was so befitting bau inting y had spent ten times more in the state of pennsylvania than i did. i m sighing come on. go. one point. i win. we win easily. they wouldn t call it. then what happened? wisconsin came in. we won with wisconsin which hadn t been won in decades. we won with michigan and finally they were devastated. they were crying. she s crying. oh, my god. remember john king with the board. the red board is like red. that board was red meaning republican. popular vote you go to three or four states. i was like 19. i went to maine four times because i needed town one vote. that was going to be 269 to 270. what happened was an incredible. it was an incredible evening. one of the greatest nights in the history of television in terms of numbers of poem watching. we have done a job. let me give you the bad news. the bad news is they want to take it away from us. they re doing everything they can to take it away. that starts with the election coming up in a few months. we have to win it. we have to get out and we have to win. i love the school. i went to wharton. i love pennsylvania. how can i not love it, right? somebody else would show up here and honestly, rick, what would it be 50, 60 people in front. you wouldn t have this. you d have a little place. i ll really feel strongly about rick saccone. i know him. he s an incredible guy. number one, i don t know that this is important but to me it is. he s a very fine human being. he s a good person. he s really a good person. rick, come up here. he s a really good person. he s a good person. does that mean anything? he s a very he s a very competent person. he s a very hard worker. he knows things that many people don t know. he understands north korea may be better than anybody. i spoke to him about north korea. he was there for a long time. i spoke to him about north korea. i m telling you i learned things that all of these great generuis genuines geniuses did not tell me. we need the republicans. we immediate the vote. they will take away your tax cuts. they will take away your second amendment rights. they re going to take away in the military big military place. they ll take that away too. our military wads really depleted. i came tonight because this guy is special. remember this, the other opponent, his opponent is not voting for us. there s no way he s voting for us ever. ever. he could be nice to me. he is. there s no way he s ever voting for me. rick is going to vote for us all the time. all the time. i want to ask rick to say a few words and again, it s an honor to be with you. go out on tuesday and just vote like crazy. you got to get out there. the world is watching. i hate to put this pressure on your rick, they re all watching because i won this district like by 22 points. it s a lot. look at all those red hat, rick. look. look at all those. it s a lot of hats. we just had a poll. we re more popular now than election day. this guy should win easily. he s going to win easily. you got to know him. he s an extraordinary person. go out and vote on tuesday for rick saccone. go ahead. do we love our president here in western pennsylvania? i just is a couple of words. you already heard me speak earlier. i want to thank president trump. as i said before, president trump s in your corner, how can you lose? he s the best man to be in your corner. as any good businessman knows, you work on a deal but there comes a time to close the deal. this is the time to close the deal. we got two days left. are you going to help me on tuesday? let s close this deal. with that, we ll say good night. go out, vote for rick. he ll never, ever disappoint you. he s a winner. he s never going to disappoint you. vote with your hearts. vote with your brains. this is an extraordinary man. i m going to be home watching the returns and i hope that i have to make a call on tuesday night where i speak to you and young and i say great job, great race. the whole world remember that, they re all watching. we want to keep it going. we want to keep the agenda, the make america great going. you got to get them in. this is a very important race. very important. thank you all. god bless you. we love you all. thank you. president trump there wrapping up this campaign rally near pittsburgh for a special congressional election. one that is very, very tight between republican rick saccon and conor lamb. we did some time keeping. the president spoke about 1:10. he was on the stage there at the podium. we did mention he did mention rick saccone off the top. it was 25 minutes in when he spoke of the candidate. the reasons why he supported him and 1:10 before we saw rick saccone on stage with the president. a lot of the speech was touting his presidential win, the jobs report, economy, north korea as well. saying that we have to be very, very nice. basking or bashing the media, fake news as well. also hitting his former campaign rivals and even oprah winfrey. sharing his new 2020 slogan saying i can t say it s make america great again. let s keep america great. i want to bring in our panel. political reporter for politico. i appreciate you sticking around and listening to this. this is my question, was this about president trump or was this about rick saccone? let s start with you. it s not ma surprising if you look at past speeches that the president has given on behalf of candidates. he s talked about his own agenda, a little less about the candidate. i was keeping track of the amount of times he mentioned rick. it was about half a dozen times in that speech that lasted over an hour. fairly typical of the president. alex, what is rick thinking? is he thinking there standing going this is what the president needs to say to put me over the edge for a win. look, obviously he s probably happier than not that the president came. he needs the president to come here and sort of energize those voters that saccone needs. this is what trump rallies are like. you have seen this happen at past trump speeshs. obviously saccone is happier than not the president came in. we ll see in that translates into votes on tuesday. i want to bring in jeff bennett. you were listening as we were here. classic campaign mode trump that we saw there. i wasn t able to hear the question. i think i know where you re headed. i ll tell you what i found to be fairly striking about what we saw here. i heard you sort of tick through the greatest hits from the hour nar that the president spoke. i thought what was really particular is the way the president paved in his attacks on conor lamb in much the same way he did when he was in alabama campaigning initially for luther string. the president chose to not stick it to roy moore in the way he could have. here he says because conor lamb the democrat, because he s said things favorable to the president and also this race is neck and neck the president is saving his fire. he did make one tick that could be fairly effective in this district. he said conor is trying to present himself as a moderate but if he gets to washington, he won t be able to keep up the act. we ll have to see how many swing voters there are in this district who might have been watching the speech who would agree with the president when they turn out on tuesday. that s right. he did bring up the candidates instead of bringing up rick saccone. 25 minutes in he brings up lamb and then goes into saccone saying i like him. he s handsome. that may be a reflection of how close the race is now. polling is showing a tight race. he s trying to really drive that message home that lamb isn t what he s saying and he will support nancy pelosi. he would be independent in his party in congress. is there anything that stoo s out to you. we know this is pretty much familiar trump when it comes to these style rallies. anything in his message when it comes to tariffs he brought up in pennsylvania and not touting his own accomplishments? it was interesting he talked at one point towards the end of the speech about pennsylvania and how spornt that state is to him. one of the things to look for on tuesday should he fall short is this is going to be seen as major embarrassment for this president and this white house because trump is made pennsylvania such a key part of his political and electoral co-licoh coalition. it was a big deal that he made a big deal of it during the campaign and the state helped to really put him over the top. it s really going to be a big embarrassment for the president if conor lamb comes out on top. who will be the finger pointing there. you have the member of the gop who have bashed him to give him the safety net if he does lose saying expectations are not met or he loses, we told you so. who will the president be pointing to? that s a good question. seems like national republican strategist are putting the blame on rick saccone. it will be interesting to see if the president follows suit. conor has raised four times as much money as rick saccone in this case and they see that as major liability in terms of competing in television advertisements and things like that. we ll have to see who the president ends up blaming if he does end on losing on tuesday. looks like people are starting to blame rick. before i let you go in my last minute here, what will be the headlines on wednesday morning? well, either it s going to be republicans dodged a bullet in this race or it s going to be major black eye for the white house, for this president and the gop as they head towards november. it s really important race and no one knows exactly who s going to win at this point. polls are very tight. very quickly in the short seconds i have. well we re going to have to wait and see. people are looking at this race for national message. are democrats going to be energized going into the midterms. is that going to work? i think that s what you ll see the day after. all right. we ll see what happens in next couple of days before then. we shall all see together. we thank you for being with me for this specific coverage. back to our regular programming on msnbc. we send it now to hardball. have a great evening. hold on dad. liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn t have that. don t worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench? 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your thoughts about the exposure as you lawyers say, exposure of mr. trump here? well, exposure seems to be a word bandied about a little bit when it comes to daniels as a porn star. to your question, chris, anybody remember john edwards? he got indicted for doing exactly the same thing, taking campaign contributions and money to basically silence his mistress so as to influence the outcome of the presidential election that he was running for. so is that we ve got going on here? but that was a hung jury. that wasn t resolved in court. that jury couldn t decide. bunny said she just liked john edwards and did it as a favor and didn t see it as a campaign contribution. that s her point of view the. here s the thing. it begs the question. michael cohen said he took out a home equity line of credit to put it in an llc account to be able to pay off stormy daniels. why? why is he randomly paying $130,000? now you have a problem. people like the fec is interested. the house judiciary committee sent a letter to michael cohen and two other gentlemen saying you might want to explain why you gave this money and by the way, there might be tax issues because the tax treatment on this money would trigger other violations of federal law. so michael cohen s now opening a huge pandora s box because he keeps on opening his mouth and keeps on trying to give excuses that don t have legal viability in terms of being credible. just to make an argument against it, is every aid you give, every contribution to a candidate a campaign contribution? you can say i drive his kids to school or anything that helps him. i helped his wife carry account groceries home. is anything a contribution to the well-being of a candidate a campaign contribution? here s the thing. it has to be a reported in kind contribution. there s a certain valuation amount that gets triggered. $130,000 pursuant to a settlement agreement that michael cohen, the llc and this dennis son guy who we know is donald trump is implicated we know this is hush money paid to stormy daniels to keep her quiet. now we re going to go back to the litigation. we re going to figure out where had goes. here s the problem for michael cohen and for donald trump and here s the problem for the trump campaign and here is why mueller might be interested. through the course of the discovery process, you re going to have depositions. you re going to having discovery requests and bank statements turned over and you know that mueller is the key guy to follow the money. so here s the essential question, chris. where did that money come from? did it really come from a heloc? if it was think all of rules of professional conduct michael cohen is in violation of in his home state of new york where he is a licensed attorney. the attorney general of new york might be interested. this president can t pardon his own behavior in new york state. thank you. you followed it all the way. thanks so much, katie phang for being our expert. up next, president trump s go it alone approach. he s willing to rely completely on his own instincts even if it puts him at odds with everyone around him his experts, secretary of state, national security adviser. they were all ignored yesterday when he went to town on this north korean gambit. you re watching hardball. it s time for the sleep number spring clearance event on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. does your bed do that? it s the last chance for clearance savings up to $600 on our most popular beds. ends soon. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you. but having his parents over was enlightening. you don t like my lasagna? 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not toward the apocalypse i hope. what do you think? this is something that trump really wants. he doesn t know very much how to get there, but it s going to take longer than he thinks though. he s already conceding that. and this is just an opening something kim jong-un wants. i can t help but think like a lot of people do that kim is just waiting to get into a room with trump and roll him. if little kim decides he s going to make an ass out of himself before the world, i don t see how that s a victory for him. if he pounds his shoe on the table like khrushchev, doesn t he need a resolution to look good? donald trump is learning in his time as president that negotiating as the chief executive is not the same as negotiating the price of windows whenever you re building a new hotel. it s a lot more complicated and comprehensive than that. you can t just have one meeting where you say, yeah, you re going to give me a good price? we ll let everyone else work out the details and we ll call it a day. that s what he s used to. there s a ton of variables that could make this look different or feel different. he s already seeing his own white house walk back some of the things he s said. but they were talked back themselves an hour later by the white house. already more complicated than that. the thing to watch here is not what s going to happen when the meeting happens, it s what the rhetoric out of the white house and some of our allies across the world including asia is over the next few weeks. there was a lot of consternation when it came out. chinese don t want peace in the peninsula there. forget the chinese for a second. even the members of the president s own administration don t necessarily like this. let s not forget he clashed with secretary of state tillerson over the north korea issue before. i don t care about the bureaucratic problems. are we going to end the nuclear threat from north korea and will this get us there. what s he willing to give up. he wants to travel the world and live like a normal world leader. with the draw of u.s. troops. he wants to be recognized. he wants to be guaranteed we won t invade him. what s trump willing to give up is the question. a man who railed against. that s giving it up. to recognize north korea is not going to be popular on the right. he has to find success and what success means and what s a fair trade. he controls a lot of that image and discussioning. > the reason that i bring up the bureaucratic infighting, there is real substance aligned with that. whenever two leaders meet especially in situations like this it tends to be after months and months of negotiations with their teams. very clearly ha hasn t it this time or not in the way it traditionally does. we have to watch what s happening behind the scenes and in public what some of our allies say. that will give us real hints what this will look like. if that doesn t happen, there s a chance they sit down in a room with no cameras and we have no idea what he comes out of it. obviously kim wants to be recognized on an international stage. that s not ideal for trump but we don t know what he wants out of this except for recognition he s sitting down with kim jong-un. don t they both want to avoid a war? trump wants a place in history. don t they both want to avoid nuclear conflict? i would hope so. there s interesting commentary how if she s talks fail, we go back to the default position which is already who your threatening possible strikes that or some type of combat. the danger of these talks coming apart is that it will make trump angrier and kim more unstable. the roundtable sticking with us. up next, they tell me something i don t know. you re watching hardball. no, please, please, oh! 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i was amazed. peanut butter, whiskey, that s a big one. they won t buy our peanut butter or our whiskey. it will disrupt the price in america. i want to bring everyone s attention to a senate race. the one to replace jeff flake in arizona. bernie sanders is going out to arizona this weekend. he ll do a rally with two progressive congressman out there. i asked him what he thinks about the democratic standard bearer out there. she s conservative. said the party is moving too far to the left. doesn t like all of his ideas about free college. he said i don t want to talk about this. i m not talking about the senate right now. there s clear tension there. that sounds like a smart move by hip. don t get in the wave a race you can t help. thank you. when we return, let me finish tonight with trump watch. you re watching hardball. liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night. hold on dad. liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn t have that. don t worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench? 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obscure the larger truth. if the ideological gulf between the president and steve bannon is small. this is not a fight over ideas, it s a fight over who deserves credit for an election win. talk about missing the point. if the legacy of 2016 is not a single person, any person, it s a set of ideas, the ones that reflect the hopes and their needs and the fears and the aspirations of a badly mistreated american middle-clas middle-class. those voters came to the polls because they wanted real borders, higher wages, they were dispirited by the opioid epidemic, why wouldn t they be. they were sick of being lectured by political class of washington that despises them and holds them in contempt. they were the other country, but they had come to recognize that it is hard to make the rest of the world better and very easy to make it worse. above all, they voted for leadership that promised to put americans first above any foreign nation or domestic interest group. that is the real legacy of 2016. at that agenda. getting it done as the central duty of this administration. regardless of who staffs it. match lap is the chairman of the american conservative union and he joins us tonight, good to se. good to see you. we had a lot of different lead segments in mind because there s a lot going on. this statement sort of overtook the entire new cycle here in washington and i m still trying all these hours later to figure out exactly what this is all about. who s served by this argument and what does it represent. i think the only people that were happy today with the people on other cable news shows that are prosecuting the case against who was a legitimately elected president. resistance and all the forces that feel a little wind in their sails because of this statement from steve bannon, which is over the line, inappropriate and he really should take it back because i know that he doesn t believe what he said. tucker: which statement are you referring to? the idea that jared kushner or don jr. are traitors or acted in a treasonous way. tucker: there unpatriotic. are treasonous, way beyond the pale and he ought to take it back. that s really not what this is about, because what he said earlier is that this investigation was a canard, that there was no rush or collusion, that he saw nothing inappropriate. and i think that s where the american people, who are good-natured and fair, are going to come down on this whole set of questions and this will be a drama that we will have to deal with over the next couple days. but i think it s a very unfortunate thing. tucker: so if you get for the bottom of the president s statement i m a very colorful statement, he says this. steve doesn t represent my base, he s only in it for himself. that seems like the nub of it here, the debate over who represents trump s voters. is that the president or is it his chief strategist steve bannon? with the answer? the conservative movement is not aligned to any one person, but they are head over heels overjoyed with the first year of the trump presidency and the trump agenda. they know that we could be looking at one or two additional supreme court openings i don t think it s smart. tucker: i m not saying that, i m just saying i have confidence that that journalist, michael wolf was actually representing the clip he heard because i think is an honest journalist. i don t think he has an ideological agenda here. what i m struck by is the fact that it was set in the first place by steve bannon. exactly! tucker: that s the question, why? what s the point of this? i think the point of this is when you are a staffer at the white house, you are a staffer. by the way, he did this as a staffer. if you serve a president, i served a president, right, and you don t talk to journalist with her on the record or off the record in any way to try to harm the agenda. if you re trying to harm the agenda, who was disloyal? tucker: this is not the first time. it doesn t matter. tucker: i m just saying. in five different interviews in the past couple of months you have seen direct attacks on trump by bannon or attacks that clearly came from bannon and i m just wondering is there a point, where is this going? you are one of the leaders of the institutional conservative movement in washington. do you see steve bannon leaving part of it five years from now? i think steve bannon is an important voice but i think is greatly marginalized his voice because this looks personal, this looks petty. it s about who did the most to help donald trump win. it s about revision and it helps the left. i think activists around this country, conservative activists see this for what it is. it s a distraction on president trump and conservative republicans pushing this great agenda. anything that gets in the way of that agenda, certainly when it s about ego claiming credit as a destroyer s distraction. i think he hurts himself unless he comes out and says look i might have disagreements with jared kushner or donald trump jr., but i don t think there s anything to this investigation, because that s what all his other tucker: very quickly, there have been reports that he is considering running for president in 2020, is that true, does he have a shot do you thin think? he does not have a shot, period, and he certainly doesn t have a shot of the republican primary. no one will run to the right of donald trump. he has captured that by making his commitment to conservatives with his agenda and delivering on the agenda. it s ironclad. tucker: thank you. kate koestler has spent a lot of time thinking about steve bannon. he s the author of the book bannon, always the rebel. some would say the definitive biography. great to see you. i would say that too. tucker: you know bannon well, you wrote a book about him. what s the point of this to mike he doesn t do things presumably for no reason. i think that he was angry. i think that at the time he said that it could have been either july or right after because they said it was soon after our july story in the new york times. it didn t have to be while he was still a staffer. it might ve come in august right after he left the white house. i m not sure. either way, he was involved in these vicious struggles within the white house. i don t think there s necessarily a point to this. i think you might roll it back if he could at this point. i doubt he will. i differ a little bit on the results of this, because i think that what happened here is that the president issued a statement condemning an individual. i ve covered the white house for 20 years. i ve never seen that. maybe osama bin laden. other than that, i ve never seen an official presidential statement condemning an individual. bannon does is not going to ret well to this. he probably artie has had some trouble with trump s flirtation with daca deal, maybe even a little bit with a tax cut. the problem for trump as this, he has basically declared war on steve bannon steve bannon. steve bannon likes wars and i think is going to go for it. he may not come out in, you know, immediately against trump, but little by little he may end up picking apart trump. and the problem for trump is that bannon aces conduit to the base, his best conduit to the base. if he loses bannon he cannot afford to lose a lot of the base. he may think he won the popular vote, but he didn t. the base is what elected him and he needs manager support him. tucker: you think that trump voters trust steve bannon more than they trust donald trump? i m not saying that although bannon is a rock star among the voters that elected trump. what i m saying is that if bannon does even a little damage to trump, which he could do. let s say trump wins the war, if there is a war, against a bannon. if bannon damages and even a little bit, trump cannot afford that. breitbart news and bannon himself is the most important conduit to the base that trump has, other than from his self. let s be clear, trump is the best person for that. he won by 60,000 boats turned in the election, he loses it. if it s another type of election like that and he s got one of his premier spokesman she s also been a spokesman for bannon for many months against him, then trump can have a problem. tucker: since you know his mind, let me ask you the question i asked matt, which is clearly this is not an isolated occurrence of him attacking from. he s been doing this through in effect cut outs. he s been doing this for months. what s the point? what s he trying to get out of that? mostly he s been supportive of trump. the people that he is angry with other people around trump. ivanka trump, jared kushner, who he calls jivanka. he s been doing that without penalty for a while now. you can understand that he s upset that his son is being called treasonous. what he s trying to do is marginalize people within the white house who have a more establishment republican agenda and keep trump s ear and keep trump focused on the things that he was elected on, not trump s family over everything. he loves his family. in terms of his personality and actually help political beliefs he s actually a lot closer to steve bannon that he is to ivanka trump. tucker: it seems that way. keith, thank you. on the left, it suddenly has become acceptable to attack people on the basis of their skin color. how did that happen and what is it doing to our country? we will tell you in sad and thorough detail next. and you don t have time for a cracked windshield. that s why we show you exactly when we ll be there. saving you time, so you can keep saving the world. kids: safelite repair, safelite replace trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief. you can switch and save time. it pays to switch things up. 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would toyota advertise on a site that ran a piece like that? of course not. but it advertises on the root, not even close to alone. take a look at busby, one of the most popular websites in america. in 2016 that company is valued at 1.5 billion. six times what jeff bezos pay for the washington post a couple of years ago. just last week, just last week was feed published a piece entitled 37 things white people need to stop ruining in 2018. one of the items on the list, america. it is not just wrong, it s nuts. it s actually suicidal. as they are always correctly reminding us, america is a multiracial society, which is great. multiracial societies are great. but they are fragile, always. the only survive when people of different races decide to treat each other as human beings with equal dignity. when they square off into warring tribes it s over. liberals say they are poor white nationalism and they should, but at the same time they are promoting it like this. when liberals pull up the speed for the latest list of why white people are wrecking america, they are happy to last long because they are saved safe in the knowledge that it doesn t affect them. the joke looks a lot different when you were not reached. you ve lost family friends to heroin, you haven t painted your house in 20 years. everybody you know is being crushed by the rising cost of education and health care. you re fairly certain your kids are going to make even less than you do, assuming jobs will even exist when the robots get here. you are worried, and you should be. and now some smug private school kid from brooklyn is lecturing you about how you are the problem because the color of your skin and the privilege it conveys. how much of that are you going to take before you explode at the unfairness of it all? at that point, why wouldn t you embrace a racial identity? everybody else seems to be doing it. that s a disaster, and it s not theoretical, by the way. that s what s going to happen in this country unless people start deciding they re going to treat one another as individuals rather than as members of group groups. jason nichols is a professor of african-american studies at the university of maryland and he joins us now. thanks for coming on. thank you. tucker: my concern here is that visas like this, attitudes like this, which are ubiquitous on the affluent left, the privileged left are driving the country apart along racial lines to an even greater extent that than we are already divided by racial lines and you will wind up with a totally vulcanized society. i don t know why people do this and i don t know when it became okay to do this. so when we talk about what drives us apart as a society, let s talk about the fact that black people are three times more likely to be denied for a home loan. at that you have a better chance of getting employment with a high school diploma than i do with a college degree. let s talk about many other structural issues that we have. tucker: happy to, but you are not answering the question, which is why does this help? with always been divided along racial lines, it s a tragedy. one of the worst things it s the worst thing about america. and you don t want to get worse, which is why you don t attack people on the basis of their race in public. and now all of a sudden the left has decided that s okay. it s crazy to me. again, you have to enter in nuance and context here. i think that many of these articles that you brought up are actually lampooning the ridiculousness and absurdity of racism itself. they are trying to turn racism on its head and say look, white people do these things, this is absurd. and again, in a society where white people tucker: so it s a joke? it s a satire. tucker: but you know that nobody if you were at buzzfeed. i have idea for a piece, 30,000 reasons that mexicans are wrecking america. you would be canned. why is it okay to say that about another race? if we really believe it s wrong to attack people on the basis of race, why isn t it wrong to attack people on the basis of race? if you put out this article are one of those articles and black people or mexican people or whomever said that about white people. let s say 80% of the black outlets and latino outlets said these things about white people. it would not affect white people in terms of their socioeconomic status, their health outcomes, their housing, their education, or incarceration. none of that would be affected. that s the big difference. there are bigger consequences. tucker: you are living in a world that doesn t exist anymore. you re living in a world where all the which people are white and all the poor people are nonwhite. in modern america, the one group of americans whose life expectancy is declining as working-class white people. i m not whining about racial i m just saying if you are one of those people were saying why are you attacking me? i don t have any privilege, why are you doing this to me? and you are pushing stuff like this pushes people to be more racially conscious, which is bad, in my opinion, if you see what i m saying. again, i think if we want to talk about the way people experience poverty, i think first of all, it s been proven that a black person who makes $100,000 is actually owing to live in a poor neighborhood with fewer resources than a white person that makes less than $25,000. because white property and black property are not equivalent. tucker: undressing the life expectancy of working-class white people is in decline. if that s true for no other group. i m not saying that the toughest road, i m just saying it s bad. why are rich private school hipsters from brooklyn attacking them like they are all weaving at palm beach? why wouldn t that stir resentment? i looked at some of those buzzfeed articles and have looked at the root articles. for the most part they are attacking the wealthy people that move people out of brooklyn, not the working-class person in alabama. tucker: you can see where this would lead to resentment. we don t need any more resentment in america from anybody i would think. absolutely not. tucker: let s just make it super simple and say probably about a idea to make generalizations about people based on their skin color, because it s not the most important thing about people, actually. again, i think you need to look at these articles where in many cases it s not just about race. class is in there as well and again, if you re looking at it intelligently and with nuance, you will see that they are actually lampooning racism. they re trying to see dominic say how ridiculous racism is. tucker: of course they are. you can t see about any other group. there s only one group you can attack. i hate even to say this out loud because it sounds like whining, and i hate whining. i just honestly think you are pushing a whole group of people to become way more racially conscious, and i don t want to live in a country where everyone primarily identifies by race, do you? you don t. first of all, we live in a country where race and race consciousness is forced upon all of us. tucker: but you want more of it to you? i don t think his articles are doing that. i think they are trying to show how absurd racism is. that s the whole point. tucker: the only white racism, as if that s the only kind. that s the only kind that has systemic consequences on people. tucker: fat i m telling you, it s just not fair to say to someone who lives in the middle of the country whose economic prospects have been devastated who really doesn t have much of a future, you ll don t make it your part of the problem. it really? and what part of the world is that person oppressing anybody? and i honestly don t think that most of those articles are saying that about that person who s in the middle of the country who is suffering economically during tucker: it just seems like another example of the powerful marking the week in order to feel virtuous. and i hate that. first of all, i would disagree that some writer or staff writer or contract writer for buzzfeed represents the powerful. that guy is making $40,000 a year. tucker: name one who went to public school in the midwest? i bet you can t. we are out of time. congressman, thank you. congressman. i hope you will announce in the future. journalist in new york city, home of brooklyn and people who write buzzfeed, and he joins us tonight. chadwick, i know i m painting with a broad brush, but i can kind of picture the staffer in question sneering at the middle of the country and blinding an entire group based on their skin color, which i thought was not allowed. right. i don t believe your guest for one second when he thinks a former guest when he thinks these articles are meant to be satire. to make fun of racism. it s exactly i think how you painted it. the sort of liberal oberlin kids who graduated to live in brooklyn and for some reason want to believe in the sort of dismantle the wealth narrative. i think the way to do that is to attack white people. marxism, it s socialism. it has the mainstream media s ear, mainstream society s ear. when you see these people who obsess over victimhood so much, it s so fascinating because if you want to see racism everywhere, if your brain wants to see racism everywhere, or homophobia everywhere, then you will. that s the world you will live in. i was having a conversation with a woman not too long ago about this, a young upper middle-class black woman and she was talking about how badly she gets treated on the street here in new york and i said to her, what if you live for one day as a white woman and you were treated the exact same way? people were just as rude to you, what then? tucker: it doesn t make anybody happier to see everything through that lens. let me ask you about something that happened yesterday. i personally missed it but it s in the tape, maybe you saw it, cohost joy behar reacted to the ongoing protest we ve been seeing in iran by saying the u.s. is on the very brink of executing gay people in the street. it s not apples and apples, it s not equal, but we are on a very slippery slope in this country towards throwing democracy out the window. we have to defend the present civil rights. we do, but not being stoned in the streets for being gay. tucker: how close do you think we are to a country where people are stoned in the streets were being gay as joy behar suggests? i have to tell people this all the time, we can t even get funding for the wall, so the gay death camps are definitely not have until the second term. she is completely ridiculous. this narrative that they want to push is so absurd. there s no proof to it. it s such a load of bull. in that same discussion she was sort of ironically saying that the protesters in iran and the so-called women s mergers here, the resist protesters, she called them protesters, are basically fighting for the same thing. she said the details are different about what they are fighting against, but the general thing, they want democracy and freedom and ours is deeply under attack in this country. firstly, let s talk about that. in iran young women tearing off their headscarves in there for jobs and here in new york and washington you women and men putting them on as a symbol of liberation. and when she says it s so funny to see her saying our democracy is under attack. tucker: it such grotesque overstatement. i know what it s like to get him out on television, but part of your brain says pull back a little bit, don t say more than you mean, don t overstate things grotesquely, because if you do you will be called on it. you shouldn t say things that aren t true. no one ever calls anybody on the left when they say ludicrous things like gays are about to be stoned in the streets. what? exactly. it s just this hysteria and they have no evidence for it. they have absolutely no evidence for it and it s exactly they are just showing what they are, they have no arguments. tucker: childish. chadwick moore, great to see you. thank you. tucker: thanks. congressional investigators say they found evidence the fbi rigged its investigation of hillary clinton. if you don t want to believe that. a former fbi official joins us next. he has an informed view of that, stay tuned. patrick woke up with a sore back. don t stop it now, don t stop it no. don t stop it now, don t stop it. keep it comin love. keep it comin love. don t stop it now, if you keep on eating, we ll keep it comin . all you can eat riblets and tenders at applebee s. now that s eatin good in the neighborhood. and her email server. according to a report in the hill, fbi agents heather investigation micromanaged by higher level officials in contrast to ordinary practice. you know what that means. the investigators also told the hill they found evidence the fbi began drafting and exoneration of hillary clinton before it had even gathered all the relevant evidence were interviewed more than a dozen key witnesses. chris is a former assistant director of the fbi and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. good evening, tucker. tucker: you ve seen this report. i don t think any american wants to believe the fbi is on the level and subject to political manipulation, but that s the conclusion i m reluctantly reaching. what s your conclusion? as an experienced investigator, it doesn t take a congressional investigation to tell me that nothing about that investigation was right. those of us that have conducted federal criminal investigations no that you use the grand jury, you use search warrants, you don t hand out immunities like candy. everything investigation runs contrary to the way a real credible, thorough fbi investigation is conducted. tucker: given as you are watching this, give us the specific examples that this tipped you off that this was not unfolding as it ought to have been. first and foremost, in any complicated federal investigation, the basic tool of the trade is a grand jury. use of the grand jury to obtain records. you don t go to witnesses and say mother, may i have that computer hard drive? may i have those emails? uu subpoenas and process and grand jury and search warrants and that sort of process. that was the tip off from the beginning. so many deals were made with people not knowing what kind of information they had in the deals being made simply because they lawyered up and didn t want to talk to fbi agents. that s when you throw them in front of a grand jury. tucker: a lot of subjects, most subjects i would think lawyer up and nobody wants to talk to the fbi, of course. but the fbi doesn t normally cave to that, does it? no. when jim comey was the deputy attorney general running the corporate thought tax force and i was running the criminal division, we play hardball in those investigations. you use grand jury process. you didn t just ask for records and you didn t give them an opportunity to hand over what they wanted to hand over. and if they did lawyer up you went to the trouble of throwing them in front of the grand jury to put their statement on the record, or they can take the fifth and then you can make a decision as to whether to grant them immunity at that time. but none of that was done in this case. tucker: why? this was like driving a car with the brakes on. tucker: why wasn t it done do you think? that s what puzzles myself and all of my former colleagues, people who have retired from the fbi from executive level positions on down to the street level. the only thing i can come up with is that director comey placed the investigation in the hands of his inner circle and they had their own agenda, obviously. we ve seen that from some of the information that has since come out, the text, et cetera. tucker: so you think it was political? i think that there were people inside that inner circle in the comey inner circle that had their own predetermined opinions about trump excuse me, about hillary clinton and the president, what then was a president-elect or someone running for president. tucker: let me ask you about something that i found really striking, tell me if you had the same reaction. we now have documents that came out in a lawsuit that show, internal documents from the fbi that when the then attorney general loretta lynch had the famous meeting on the tarmac with bill clinton, whose wife was being investigated at the time, the fbi s first reaction was not to figure out how did that happen, the first reaction was to find out how the news it leaked. does that seemed like a very wed reaction to me. that s not the fbi that i know and as i ve said, my former colleagues that i compared notes with all the time, former director comey s rationale, shall we say for making this prosecutor decision that the fbi director has no business making, that she was not to be prosecuted. that was based on that tarmac meeting. if that were the case, all he had to do is hang the investigation to the attorney general s office, let her recuse herself from making that decision, knock it down to her number two level person and then if that didn t happen, then maybe raise the issue publicly. tucker: it really distressing to watch this. thank you for your perspective on that, i appreciate it. my pleasure. tucker: in order to get the federal government funded, democrats are demanding that daca recipients be given amnesty. they may try to shut down the government if they don t get it. that story next. my friends and family never thought i d be the one to quit smoking, i was such a heavy smoker. but i was able to do it with chantix. i did not know that chantix would reduce my urges so significantly. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking or allergic and skin reactions which can be life-threatening. stop chantix and get help right away if you have any of these. tell your healthcare provider if you ve had depression or other mental health problems. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. the most common side effect is nausea. everybody had doubts, including me, but i did it. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. nice man cave! nacho? 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certainly the democrats do not want the government to shut down, period. that s our position, frankly we were not responsible for the shutdowns of the past. however, going forward, what are we to do? we did we did, or the did put a 150 some alien dollar hole in the money that we need to fund all government programs for the next year. if that was the tax cut that we just passed last december. so we start off with a very, very difficult financial situation in which $150 billion that we were counting on to solve some of the financial issues, some of the funding problems disappeared and that tax cut. tucker: actually would agree with you on that. that s a kind of legitimate argument to have. do we have enough money or we get the money, but why are we having an argument about people who aren t even citizens? i feel sorry for them, but that s like number 111 on the list of priorities for most americans, why is it number one for democrats? unless you happen to be one of the 800, or 800,000 that are daca of which 160,000 have actually graduated from one or another of our universities. tucker: they are great, but there are also 325 million actual americans here and their concerns are going down the list so the concerns of illegal aliens and take the top spot, why? there s also a host of other problems that are in that funding question and keeping the government open. the military wants more money and frankly needs more money. we also need to provide money for the children s health insurance programs and on and on. if infrastructure, anybody mentioned the trillion dollar infrastructure and where s the money for that? it mostly disappeared in the tax cut. tucker: i m not disagreeing with you. can we just get past the daca thing. if we are spending an awful lot of time on other country s citizens when our citizens are waiting for congress to do something so why not just say, look, that s fine. we will build a wall, not why not build a wall? why not sneak in a bring your relatives. what? you sneak in and then your relatives get to come, why is that fair? i think that there is a reasonable solution to all of this. the dream act, which has been around five years now, it deals with most of that issue. the chain migration issue that you talked about, chain immigration issue. that needs to be addressed. it can be a serious problem. certainly these daca students, or daca individuals are more interested in their own circumstances, the issue of their parents and relatives, yes, that should be dealt with. going beyond that, a wall. it s been pretty well determined that there are far better ways to spend tens of billions of dollars than to build a wall. certainly we could use new technology. the coast guard, for example, needs money to patrol the oceans, which happened to be the major way in which drugs enter the nation. tucker: under our current system we give out, in effect, green cards, which become citizenship on the basis of a lottery, the diversity lottery. why in the world, if citizenship mattered, if we cared about our country, if we just randomly give green cards to people on the basis of chance, a bingo? why do we have that program? why can t we get rid of it? well, there certainly needs to be comprehensive immigration reform. and that needs to be one of the pieces of that. border security absolutely essential. how do you spend the money for border security? a wall, is that the best way? many of us think that is not the best way. we also need to deal with the agricultural guest worker program, which is a major problem here in california. tucker: i know your growers want cheap labor as they can get. i would like cheap labor at my house too, but can we just agree that we should stop letting people in randomly under the diversity lottery, and it s not fair to let illegal aliens bring all the relatives? and we agree on those two things? i think we can. let s write a lot. tucker: thing you should have no problem getting the government funded! good luck, thank you, congressman. i appreciate it. you got it, thank you. tucker: iran has been wracked by antigovernment protests. the american media seem weirdly unenthusiastic of them. it is that our imagination or are they trying to hide something? what is it? very confusing. mollie hemingway will sort it out next. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we ve seen a thing or two. we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum whentrust the brand doctors trust for themselves. nexium 24hr is the number one choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. and all day all night protection. when it comes to frequent heartburn, trust nexium 24hr. would think our press would be excited to see these protests in progress. it doesn t seem so for some reason. if the past couple of days the impulse of the press has seemed to be to downplay or even criticized those protests. nbc, cbs, cnn all criticized, made in response to it rare antigovernment protest. the new york times tweeted that the protesters ignored calls for com from iran s president. are we imagining it or is there something we are going on here? mollie hemingway is the senior editor of the federalist, she joins us tonight. what is this about? i think there are good reasons why you re not seeing a lot of coverage and a lot of bad reasons. the good reasons is that iran is a very impressive regime, they kidnap foreign tourists. we don t have good lines of communication and it s very difficult to cover what s happening there. if there are a lot of bad reasons why you are seeing a lot of coverage, and that could be everything from how these waves of protests completely undercut the narrative that we heard throughout the obama administration. and i think that our media tend to want to protect and defend president obama. tucker: how do these protests undercut that story line? president president obama ae iran nuclear deal. they placed these bets with this person who they pitched is very moderate. they used people in the media to help sell this deal. when we see these protests, very different from what we were told. we were just told by the new york times very recently that iran was a very unified country. they were unified behind their regime. they were united in their opposition to donald trump. obviously that s not true when you look at these protests, however big they are, that there is at least some coalition of people who are extremely upset with their regime and the corruption of the regime and the economic consequences of that. some of the signs talk about how that they don t like that they are involved in all these foreign conflicts and how they are supporting terror in the region. that s completely different than what we ve been told and i don t think journalists like to come clean when they are shown not to be telling the truth. tucker: could also be that it s far away uncomplicated and that is much easier to write about some stupid lunch carter page whatever, or some 26-year-old fake foreign policy advisor had during the campaign. at the russian nonsense maybe is closer to the heart of most journalists? that s why it s actually so frustrating to read the new york times coverage because so many people have just dropped foreign bureaus. if they don t have good resources in these regions. it is very difficult to cover when you don t have people on the ground, but the new york times does. a lot of what they ve been publishing has been sort of very friendly to the regime and parroting the regime s lines. part of it might be that they are afraid that they are reporting resources there or vulnerable, but you shouldn t subvert journalism. tucker: pro-american are potentially pro-american and kind of reasonable. not really represented by its regime at all. that sort of weird that american journalists wouldn t be more sympathetic to the population of the country yearning for a new government. particularly a few years ago, many people in our media were so excited by arab spring, revolutions that they saw were even in some of those cases you are getting rid of bad leaders and replacing with even worse leaders. in this case there s no question that iran is completely oppressive country. doing a lot of bad in the region. there are people there who are very frustrated and should be at least you should see some sort of vocal support or coverage of what they are trying to accomplish. these are very brief people and their chances are not very good of actually achieving revolution. not just because of the military there, but the secret police and all these other resources that the regime there has. they are pretty impressive work. tucker: it does seem like a lot of the countries we saw sort of become democratic for about 20 minutes were not ready for some government. iran seems a lot closer to being ready. he seems to have a much more impressive population, if i can be blunt than some of those other countries. what a shame that we are not helping more. has more of a history and it has been a great empire. tucker: only for 3,000 years, not a big deal. mollie hemingway, thank you. californians can t ban guns, the government camps, so they are doing the next best thing. they are basically taking away ammunition to disarm the population. that grim story next. mom, i have to tell you something. dad, one second i was driving and then the next. they just didn t stop and then. i m really sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you re ok. that s all that matters. (vo) a lifetime commitment to getting them home safely. love. it s what makes a subaru, a subaru. ammo as well as relatively harmless stuff like 20 gauge birdshot or 22 long rifle. all of it you ve got a permit and a background check to buy it. he also can t privately bring ammunition into the state anymore either. that is now a crime. for a day, dozens of stores were outright banned from selling any ammunition at all because california s government was behind on granting permits, surprise surprise. while this may california safer? of course not. criminals ignore the law, they always do. the real and the only, indeed, intended fact will be to disarm the law-abiding population. keep in mind, that same state has declared itself a legal sanction area for foreigners were breaking our most basic laws. so the nonthreatening activity of american citizens is criminalized and lawbreaking of foreigners is protected. the message? normal people are no longer welcome in the state of california. shouldn t surprise anybody that they are fleeing.