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connection between that individual and what is taking place in the courthouse behind us. if i get any information on that, i certainly will be relaying it to all of you. nonetheless, the individua has now been taken to a hospital. we don't necessarily know how he's doing, if in fact, he's going to survive his injuries, but igo will tell you, i mean, that fire, those flames reached about 20 feet in the air. it was a fairly large fire, this man setting himself on fire in the middle of the square just 50 feet away from where we are, chris. >>wh yeah, we did after he was removed briefly see the smoke and so you could see that it was indeed. let me just again give the context of the week or have you give thek context of the week. we have seen in the past and certainly some of the early y days, for example, for arraignments, large groups of people came out on both sides. there may have been some yelling back and forth or whatever, but through this week from what i've read and what i've heard you and others report, there have been

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nbc news colleagues and as other people in the courtrooman saw their own footage, there began to be gasps and a hush fell over the crowd, so we were aware of the incident outside the courthouse. just at the very t last moments before coming out and coming to see you. this is obviously a much different conversation than i think sue and i anticipated we would be having with you, even as recently as five minutes ago, chris. >> you know, right as we learned that they had a jury, right, that the jury was impanelled, that's exactly the moment it started tot spread through the overflow room. the judge did not mention it. they're going to be back this afternoon as far as i understand. it happened right at that moment. it was just unbelievable news that spread right through the courtroom. >> you're absolutely right on the timing because we went to yasmin vossoughian to ask her about merchan saying we have our full panel, and she noticed it was happening out of the corner of her eye and was able to narrate it in a realtime, and

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impanelled, but it was an awful sight to see, chris, that this man setting himself on fire. >> well, as you say, we don't know what happened there, yasmin. we don't knowen if this was a suicide attempt, we don't know, so let's not -- i don't want to speculate, but the headline here -- and i'm sorry you had to see that, by the way. what an awful thing for anybody who was down there, but seven men, five women on the main jury, five women, one man on the alternate jury. i want to go back to paul butler and pick up on something you were saying before. to quote judge juan merchan, we have our full panel. does that necessarily mean that at, whatever, 9:30 on monday morning, the openings will begin? >> not necessarily. means that we have 18 people right now at about 1:40

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against the former president of the united states.f so it has been a fairly quiet place, a fairly quiet area. again, this cordoned off area, mainly for protesters since the beginning of this jury selection process. so this individual setting himself ondi fire in the middlef the square was really not surrounded by anyone else. he had one to two individuals who were in the square nearby about 20 to 25 feet away. the only people that are really here is us, is the press, and there is a huge press presence here, i would say, which is to be understood, and then it's the large amount of security. there are barricades on either side of this street where i'm standing. there are barricades on this side of hogan place along with a block down on the other side of hogan place. so if you want to get, chris, into that cordoned off area where this individual set himself on fire, you're either there f to protest and/or you he a a press pass to get into this

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to live through it, and there could very well be a suicide note posted online, at their home, that they sent to somebody else, in their pocket, you know, who knows. >> so if you can stay around, and cedric as well. i want toce get back to what ju happened in that courtroom and bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, and msnbc contributor, and "new york times" investigative correspondent sue craig. both inside to watch the proceedings. let me ask you first, and obviously were you aware inside of what was happening outside? >> right at the end, chris, we became aware. so there was a little bit in the overflow courtroom that we had, in fact, picked a jury of six jurors and six alternates. there started to be murmuring that there wassome who outside the courthouse has essentially self-emulated. i was sent video from one of our

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listen, there's a lot of intensity inside the courtroom, and now it seems like there's plenty of intensity outside the courtroom. >> reporter: there is.e there is. i just want to kind of give you an update, i know that we're following what's happening inside theth courtroom. i do want to give you an update out here, seeing chris, because i do think it's important. as you mentioned, as i talked about earlier, we have no idea if what just took place in front of me has any connection to what happened inside that courtroom over the last couple of days anv the ongoing hush money trial with the former president of the united states. but i wanthe to reiterate to fos what i just saw, which is an individual setting himself on fire just about 50 feet away from me. as we learned thatt a full jur had been impanelled in the hush money case involving a former president of the united states. he is currently moving, as security professionals and now new york fire department and nypd have allyo showed up in foe to put the fire out. the fire has now subsequently

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been extinguished. he is moving hisxt limbs, his as and his legs, but i'm not sure how ibu can describe to you jus how large, chris, this fire was. it was startling to see out of the corner of my eye as i was speaking to you on camera reading through the jury that had been impanelled and the individuals as i was describing to you their vocation out of the corner of my eye, seeing this fire completely light up the center square. therehe is an area just to my right, which is an area that they have cordoned off for protesters. that is an area that had been filled with protesters, for instance, back in april when the former president was originally arraigned. on monday, when this trial got up and going, this area was also full of protesters as well on both sides, by the way, both after anti-trump and pro-trump protesters. since monday, there have been fewer and fewer people, and quite honestly, in the last day or so, there have been maybe

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again, we don't know exactly what the motivation is here, and we're not going to speculate on that, but we do want to get back to the very big news inside. and let me get your impressions now that there is a panel. we have the 12 jurors. we have the six alternates, lisa. what stood out to you from the time you spent in the courthouse today? >> i would say, chris, this is a day i would characterize is about pressure and feelings and anxiety. if that's been building all week, we really saw that come to a head today. we saw least four jurors essentially say today that they could notto serve because their anxiety or their nervousness. one of them was someone who said that her father had a relationship with someone who previously, aso high profile person who had a relationship with former president trump and whenor questioned by the defens that person just felt the pressure was too much forst the.

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the crowd around this area. this individual was standing in the middle of this square on his own. as i mentioned, there may have been two other individuals that were walking about within that area about 20 to 25 feet away from him. so the moment it happened, audibly i heard screams from the right of me as i was on air with you talking about the jury, in which folks were saying he has set himself on fire, a man is on fire. at that point, chris, i saw the security personnel that we've been seeing out here all week long racing towards the entry area of this square, and to be clear, again, this area is cordoned off for protesters, right?ed so if you are here to protest, you can be in that area. to get i to where we are, you he to have an official press pass as well, so security is incredibly tight in all of these different sections that they had set up because of the former president being in the courtroom behind t me. so there was really no issue when it came to security. it was more controlling the

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no real problems around the courthouse, right? >> reporter: no, and i'll tell you, so if we think back to the arraignment in april of 2023 when former president donald trump was first arraigned, this area was filled with protesters. if you remember marjorie taylor greene came to this area as well. she was kind of swarmed by press along with protesters showing her supportth for the former president of the united states. that was probably the biggest crowd that p i had seen in this area since this whole thing began. day one there were a significant or a more so significant amount of protesters in this area. i would say maybe 50 protesters are so. since then, we have seen a depletion of protesters in the area in which this individual eventually set himself on fire just about five or so minutes ago. maybe on tuesday there were possibly 10 to 15 individuals. in the last few days since we've been here, chris, today maybe one, two, or three stragglers with flags in support and/or

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