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though -- i call it a detour, not a sideshow, but a detour, the case took a detour to explore what happened between her and donald trump, because you had to create the foundation of why that payment was made by michael cohen and how it, you know, got to the level of the business records being falsified. but you needed to have that dialogue, and what was really important is everybody likes to say that this is a paper case, but it is about humanity in some way, right? people's courage, people's involvement with others, extramarital affairs, you know, hush money payments. i mean, all of that is a very human thing, and she brought the humanity, i think, to the case. >> head the same reaction. i thought in many ways she did on cross because you got a better sense of her as a person. >> mm-hmm. >> and she was responding sort of naturally to questions that she didn't know it was coming up, and you really got a sense of her. and also i thought how smart she was. >> witty, quick. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> you know, the sort of assumption, as you said, are ones that you -- i sort of found
in some way. people's courage, people's involvement with others, extramarital affairs. hush money payments. all of that is a very human thing and she brought that humanity to the case. >> i had the same reaction. i thought in many ways she did better on cross because you got a better sense of her as a person, and she was responding naturally to questions that she didn't know what was coming up, and she really got a sense of her, and also i thought how smart she was. >> witty, quick. exactly. >> you know, the assumptions, as you said, are ones i sort of found myself checking myself, saying why am i so surprised? you shouldn't have been. so laura, one of the more unusual aspects of this case was how it ended. with bob costello being called by the defense. >> and, i did not see that coming. lisa always thought they would call him. i thought they wouldn't do it. >> i'm with you because bob castillo, if you remember, was somebody who donald trump had
trump tapped into those things and once he won them over, just because he's a person who doesn't abide by any norms he crashed through through one guardrail after another and they saw it and as i was saying earlier, i think at energize them and they they i think they view him as a person that'll bring a pistol to a cultural knife fight and their hatred for the left and the story they tell themselves in terms of the existential fear the democratic party and have joe biden the frame. this is the children of light against the children of darkness. god versus satan if you've convinced yourself that you're in a struggle like that then there are an awful lot of ethical leinz are you're willing to cross. and they view donald trump is their warrior, their fighter, in a sense, their savior. they're quasi saver, their savior of life on this earth. and so it's almost impossible to overstate the
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messages with hunter biden, who was texting her at 2:00 in the morning asking to exchange vehicles and got her to acknowledge he didn't know what her dad was doing at 2:00 in the morning and why he was texting her at 2:00 in the morning. and then he asked her if she was aware that he had given his bank codes to a man named frankie, and of course she was not aware of that. the point being she didn't know exactly what her father was doing during that time that the prosecution says he was using drugs. and they have some evidence to back that up. so it remains to be seen how all this plays for the jury. while she was testifying, hunter biden was seen wiping away tears. so in that respect, she served to humanize him for the jury, which is a good thing for hunter biden. real damage done on cross examination by the prosecutors. >> so catherine, it was very brief, but as we just heard, there were some moments there. how do you read both the direct and the cross? >> i think -- i disagree a little bit. damage, it was a little
testifying in very tough cross examination by the prosecution giving details that might hurt her father's case seemed to really change the dynamic. and really, the entire trial is going on with this family confronting a very difficult truth, which is if president biden had not run for office, if he was not running for re-election, would this whole ordeal have been spared of them, and then to see president biden have to answer that question, the power that he has as president to potentially pardon his son, to lift this cloud from him is one he's choosing not to take because of the respect for rule of the law and the concern potentially about the politics as well. a difficult day for the family in what has been a long and difficult trial here. >> catherine, one big unanswered question, and it usually does wait until the last minute, but that is will hunter biden take the stand in his own defense? what goes into making that decision? >> if they prep him, and he doesn't do well when they're cross examining him, it's very rare. there's really no good that comes when defendants testify.
damaging, but i don't think the prosecutors really defeated her whole direct examination. her purpose was to show, which is what the defense is saying, the prosecutors cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that on or about october 12, 2018, hunter biden was actually using drugs and actually addicted to drugs. so their argument is why they called the daughter, is that summer with her now husband, he was -- looks fine to her. they visited him at the view, which is a rehab facility, so he clearly was in a recovery mode. so this testimony is feeding into their argument, which is the only one they really have, is literally he was not an unlawful user at the time he filled that out at the time that he allegedly possessed the firearm. so the cross was, you know, why is he texting you at 2:00 a.m. in the morning. you can argue there are a lot of people, not me, but there are a lot of people up at 2:00 a.m. in the morning. it's the daughter, who's frankie, she doesn't know.
if he came into court to testify that he believed that hunter biden wasn't using drugs. the point is prosecutors have evidence he was using drugs. it's not definitive. it's enough that they can continue to introduce it and use it to cross examine these witnesses, and so bottom line, james biden will not be appearing at this trial, and we'll wait to see whether hunter biden will testify in his own defense on monday, chris. >> they have the weekend to make the decision. ken dilanian, thank you. now to disturbing new video showing the moments before police say a woman stabbed and killed a toddler and stabbed his mother at an ohio grocery store. nbc's maggie vespa joins us right now. this attack happened in five seconds. what does this video tell us? >> you said at the top of the show, this woman unleashed hell on this ohio mother and her toddler. we have the surveillance video released by north olmstead police, a city near cleveland.
i'm a result of their being heroes. >> reporter: truth is they're all heroes remembered for their service, courage, and sacrifice. yeah, look, what an amazing honor and privilege it's been to spend some time with these men over the last week. and i was struck by what one of the d-day survivors told me, was pointing out at the white cross with tears in his eyes he said these guys were 17, 18, 19 years old. they never had a chance to have a family, but because of them i had a family. i lived this wonderful long life because of their sacrifice, a sacrifice clearly that's being honored here today, jonathan. as you talked about a very special place and this a very special time. >> really moving report there from nbc's jay gray live from