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pence, with no charges filed. i guess you can make the argument that mike pence did things by the book. he returned the materials to the authorities, he agreed to cooperate with the investigators, in fact, he even sat down for an interview. now that that investigation has run its course, he can actually put that matter behind him. the same can't be said for donald trump. let's bring in my panel this evening, former congressman -- former federal prosecutor and melissa murray, professor of law at new york university and co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast. all three are msnbc analysts. it's great to have all of you with us. cynthia, let me start with you on this. break down these latest developments for us and the impact at this tape could have on jack smith's case. >> well, first of all, just from jump let me say that jack smith's case is already good. so let's remember that. and let's also remember that classified document is not required for the statutes that we're talking about. that trump will likely be charged with. so, with that in mind, this tape muddies trumps waters. and the way it does it is either he is admitting he has classified documents, which is illegal, he is not returning

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has asked at least one of his personal attorney's and close advisers if that person knew the names of senior fbi agents and justice department personnel who were working on the federal probe is investigating him. trump said that he wanted the doj to purge those officials, if he was reelected. and on top of all of that, there is new anxiety within the trump legal team that someone among them is a double agent. and already cooperating with federal investigators. who knows? how did he even get that recording in the first place? my panel is back with me. cynthia, let me start with you with evan corcoran here. based on this guardian reporting, you've got this former trump lawyer saying that he was told that mar-a-lago's storage room was the only situation where classified documents were stored. he was waved off from searching other locations on the property. if you are jacks mitt, what do you make of that? >> what i make of it is with jack smith has already made of, it is that he has figured out that there is a crime fraud exception and he actually went

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think it politicizes up to a certain extent. if you broke the law, he should be held accountable. >> cynthia, let's take a listen again to what a former trump lawyer said about this on with the press today. here it is. >> now that he is convening that, in your mind, is more likely to be a -- potential charging decision? >> not necessarily. certainly it could be that they're continuing investigation into other things. it could be that the reason for the break is that the law jury simply expired, and they couldn't have a new one. i'm not sure, specifically, i mean, i certainly haven't heard of anything new that would require new testament. i can't imagine that there is anybody else in mar-a-lago. do you testify? >> when you listen to this, cynthia, all these reasons that he's given, are they all plausible to you? does anyone stand out is being most likely to you, given the big picture? >> well, there are all, like a teeny bit plausible. like 1% plausible, or 2%.

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he had congressional republicans rally behind him, saying oh no, we can't prosecute a former president just because he appears to be a felon. in terms of the impact, the more trouble that donald trump gets into, in terms of his legal liabilities, the more support he has in the polls. i look back, i think it was about a century ago where eugene debs ran for president from behind bars. right now that's an obscure, trivial detail. i'm wondering, -- next year. >> cynthia, let's talk about what's going on in georgia, because we're all waiting to see what happens. there's a lot of non legal people who say, it seems like a fairly obvious case because we've all heard this recording where he told the secretary of state to find votes. but this prosecutor in georgia, seems to want to leave no eye undaunted and t uncrossed. sounds like she's looking into a fact pattern that trump and his people might have been using in other states. tell me what you know about this. other states. >> he's definitely talking to

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one of the mar-a-lago documents. joining me now is -- an msnbc analyst is -- msnbc political contributor, the author of the book the impostors, how republicans quit governing and seize american politics. good morning to both of you. cynthia, let me start with, you because i have been developments that, while they may seem incremental to some people, are both really, really important. the expansion of the georgia investigation into donald trump, potentially as it's reported by the washington post and this reporting about what appears to be a war, a military plan against iran that donald trump made a reference to have inning and acknowledging the recordings that he may have the classified. he knowledge is that he's talking to someone about a classified document that he had after being president. >> right, and let's just for a minute step back from the world of democrats and republicans. the idea that he would

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Proud moment for Rotorua's Cynthia Clark receiving special Altrusa International lamplighter award

Cynthia Clark loves being able to help the Rotorua community through Altrusa projects.

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ago and has worked at this care home near nottingham ever since. in india, we won't get much opportunities, you know, so we could, financially, we could do better. usually i'm very busy all the time, never get the time, i won't get to sit down, really busy. but enjoyable? of course, i really enjoy it, that's why i didn't think about moving out from here. cynthia is gaining valuable care experience by working here. 0riginally by zimbabwe, she studied medicine in ukraine originally from zimbabwe, she studied medicine in ukraine but left when the war started. she is in the process of registering to be a doctor in the uk. i'm from a different country. and the uk was more or less ok with me because i could actually speak english. so i trained in a country where it was non—english—speaking, but zimbabwe, being an ex british colony, we speak english and it was one of the countries

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of new resource is migrant workers. the shortage of lorry drivers became a post—brexit political football and now the logistics industry is trying to diversify the workforce across businesses. every day is a different day, so some weeks i go to school, some weeks i'm working in the operation, working in the offices, it's different every day, really. no day is the same, it's great. the national care association says it has 165,000 vacancies, so recruitment overseas is critical. cynthia is gaining valuable care experience by working here. originally from zimbabwe, she studied medicine in ukraine but left when the war started. she is in the process of registering to be a doctor in the uk. zimbabwe, being an ex—british colony, we speak english and it was one of the countries that was easier for me to come in and to come and practise.

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The Katie Phang Show

serious unjustifiable risk of death, that he just regarded. and his behavior, the third element for the prosecutors is a grossly deviated from how a reasonable person would ask in similar situation. that does seem to fit the bill. i will tell you that have a tried cases in new york, i mean, i know it's been a while, i've tried cases in new york, i'm not gonna be surprised if this is a hung jury when it comes down to in the end. my guess is that he will not plead, there's a minimum on this, it's up to 15 years, a class e felony, but there is a minimum and my guess is from the way his lawyer sound, that he if he doesn't plead -- i would bet that it does hang. >> cynthia, let's stay on this case, daniel petty, his lawyers put forth a defense already, saying quote, he staff did, to protect himself and his fellow

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in this case. >> and i think cynthia, that's why you saw daniel penny's legal team released a statement before he was even arrested, or charged with a crime. calling into, highlighting the history, the criminal history of the victim in this case. i think in an attempt to taint a potential jury pool. cynthia, obviously as always, thank you for joining us, i appreciate you. and up next, far-right radicalization. the hispanic neo-nazi outlive all shooter in allen, texas, proving you don't have to be white to be a white nationalist. straight ahead, we're going in-depth with an expert who's exposing the industry from the inside. keep it right here on msnbc. it right here on msnbc. a ballet studio, an architecture firm... and homemade barbeque sauce. they're called 'small businesses.' but to the people who build them there's nothing 'small' about them. that's why at t-mobile for business... you'll save more than $1,000

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