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Himself who helped organize this organization with his wife, darryl, thank you for being with us. first, you are halfway there in terms of the number of portraits you are going to do? we are approaching 250 of the 403 first responders. sean: explain how you and your wife came up with this idea? we started 2 1/2 years ago to honor heroes in the armed forces then we went to fire and police. we were here doing a project at engine 54. as we were driving home on the 12th, after presenting 12 portraits to family members there that day we were so moved, having spent a machine at engine 54 working with them on that a month at engine 54 working with them on that project. on the drive back to tennessee, i started getting in my mind we need to do them all, present this to every family that need we decide we decided this is what our calling is. and use what we ve done in our
Himself who helped organize this organization with his wife, darryl, thank you for being with us. first, you are halfway there in terms of the number of portraits you are going to do? we are approaching 250 of the 403 first responders. sean: explain how you and your wife came up with this idea? we started 2 1/2 years ago to honor heroes in the armed forces then we went to fire and police. we were here doing a project at engine 54. as we were driving home on the 12th, after presenting 12 portraits to family members there that day we were so moved, having spent a machine at engine 54 working with them on that a month at engine 54 working with them on that project. on the drive back to tennessee, i started getting in my mind we need to do them all, present this to every family that need we decide we decided this is what our calling is. and use what we ve done in our
Them to the families. [ bagpipes ] we are gathered today on this occasion to honor the 15 firefighters from this station who died on september 11th, 2001. to commemorate that event, the artist darryl lynn has presented us with a group painting of the firefighters from engine 54 ladder 4, battalion 9. we thank him, friends of the families, local offs, the media, local officials, the media, other supporters and surviving firefighters of this station who are here today. we were thrilled to have the families involved, the children involved. that was such a special part of the presentation. many of the families didn t know we had a portrait of
Them to the families. [ bagpipes ] we are gathered today on this occasion to honor the 15 firefighters from this station who died on september 11th, 2001. to commemorate that event, the artist darryl lynn has presented us with a group painting of the firefighters from engine 54 ladder 4, battalion 9. we thank him, friends of the families, local offs, the media, local officials, the media, other supporters and surviving firefighters of this station who are here today. we were thrilled to have the families involved, the children involved. that was such a special part of the presentation. many of the families didn t know we had a portrait of
job act. in reality the 447 billion dollar government spending spree is more like the second coming of the stimulus. we know how effective that legislation was. the president described the measures that he claim will put america back to work. what he left out was how exactly all of this going to be paid for. except of course, massive tax hikes on the wealthiest americans. here to give us the republican perspective on last night s address, congressman shock and adam kin singer. it is across the board the response you see from people except for the die-hard obama lovers out there. congressman shock, is there anything here that you see that is going to help create jobs in the country? sean, we already know the answer to your question this is really a mini stimulus bill. it is stimulus 2.0. it spends a third of the original bill that he passed. look at the details. over half of the 300 billion dollars that he wants to spend is to continue two policies. unemployment benefits for 99 week, nearly two years. and a continuation of the payroll tax holiday. these are two policies are currently in effect. the question it begs is what is different? after the august recess and labor day holiday the president said he was to bring forward this bold agenda to help put americans back to work. last night it fell flat. sean: it did. congressman, simple question, he kept saying, repeated this is going to be paid for. then this little detail he left out, he s going to about dump it on the so-called super committee so they can make more cuts. which, by the way, if they cannot come to a consensus means we are going to gut our defense department at a time where we see instability all over the world. is that a good idea? did you think they come up with the numbers to pay for in? it is a terrible idea. what the president has proposed is front loading spending for a promise of spending cuts to come. i ve heard so many on the other side of the aisle say we can never cut 1.5 trillion. they are going to say to reach 1.we have to have tax increases or go after defense more. this is like, the 10th or 20th white horse that washington, d.c. has ridden in on. i think the american people and the peep of illinois where we represent are and the people of illinois where we represent are saying get washington out of our way. we want the free trade trade s to pass. sean: i listened last night. first, he has not laid out a specific plan. where we can go online, read the legislation, get the devil in the details and come to our own conclusions. this is basically his campaign speech. he s going to say i offered this, that, i wanted to fix the economy and those rascally republicans they got in the way and those republicans are obstructionists. that seemed to be the theme over and over again. these are money sense, bipartisan proposals by republicans and democrats and you should pass it now. are they bipartisan proposals? thankfully, despite the fact for him calling on us to pass the bill 100 times last night. pass the bill many thankfully in the republican house this year, we are going to get to read the bill. which i think is equally important, also for our con the city withins to read the bill. you are right he he hasn t laid out a proposal get us out of the rut we are in. there s a view where the president believes he can continue to borrow from china. spend more money. hire more government workers to grow the economy which has not worked. or what the republicans have done not just talked about, but passed legislation this year in the house to get the federal government out of the way of the private sector. to make america the favorite place to invest and hire someone. ultimately the entrepreneur in america will lead us to recovery. and the federal government is impeding that. sean: two things emerge congressman that are interesting. played up the class warfare, predictable. coming into the speech, we had the series of attack by his allies, his supporters. republicans, tea party members can go straight to hell, they are sons of bitches, terrorists, barbarians at the gate, they want to see black americans hanging from trees. all of this say. the president who lectures on civility was silent last night. was that striking to you? very striking. he talked about this bipartisan need to work together. we agree, we want to find areas of commonality that we can work together to get the american people back to work. understanding that the federal government doesn t create jobs we can only create that environment. when i saw that speech where we were called sob s where they stood up and said we gotta take these guys out. and the president spoke after that and didn t renounce it. that was getting off on the wrong foot that is a partisan foot. tonight what i saw is the president saying, pass this bill last night, he said that and he had a standing ovation before he even began to outline what was in the bill. sean: one of the reasons that i know congressman shock this is political, i have spies, this may shock them, pfeiffer and plouffe preparing every democrat in the country for the days leading into this speech. it was all the same message. briefing donors on the night of the speech in chicago in an effort to help support the president. it is clearly political. they are going out there claiming michelle bachmann once proposed this. this republican once proposed that. he really hasn t laid out a specific plan that we can say okay this is going to work. do we risk one thing he supports tax cuts, payroll tax et cetera, is fine but it hasn t worked up to this point. implemented in the bush and obama administration. do you support it? you are exactly right. no, it is failed policy. the definition of insanity we all know is doing the same thing and expecting different results. let s take his favorite piece of the pie, infrastructure investment. how much have we heard about how he wants to spend on infrastructure. we heard that when he first became president. a trillion stimulus bill the largest since eisenhower was president. less than 8%, 50 billion went to infrastructure and did nothing to regentrify our economy. he s serious about making america competitive with infrastructure investment, we need a six year bill like ronald reagan did, like bill clinton did, like george w. bush did that was paid for. that s what the president has failed to do. not only offer a mission but more importantly, a plan to get us to where he wants to go and we want to go, which is lower unemployment and more people working. sean: good to see you both. we appreciate it. next, frank luntz with reaction to this week s gop presidential debate. we have a special focus group in atlanta. also a legend on the football tpaopld. field. one-on-one, hall of famer emmitt smith here. we talk about his career, his new book. and why i say deep down inside he s really a conservative. he doesn t believe it but i m going to tell him why why. as we approach the anniversary of 9/11 donald rumsfeld recounts the day we were attacked and stphraeupbs what we need to do to make and explains what we need to do to make sure that never happens again. gas and bloating. with the strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at probiotic. 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[ laughing ] yes we can! more importantly beyond that, even beyond that we ve got all these unfunded iou s from congress that have been raiding it for years. i couldn t care, i have paid into it for decades how is this going to be pulled out. i could give it up and keep funding those already in it. the public is ready for the truth. i think the tea party brought that out with the debt ceiling and all the other but the tea party was 2010 in an off year election. you really think that seniors, who are depending on social security are going to hear in ponzi i don t want to bias you. aren t you nervous about that? very much so. i want to hear solutions too. i don t just want to hear it is a ponzi scheme. don t just scare people and not offer an solution. it is a ponzi scheme but we have to find a way to fix it. if that is all they hear is ponzi scheme it is already lost. even when he stated that he wasn t going to have it to those currently on social security. he was waiting for them to be 55 and older. as republicans we are making a mistake. we get it. we ve got to look past that we have to find somebody who can beat obama in the general election. is that rick perry? i don t think so. we are going to be back with the question over who can defeat barack obama? language is powerful. i ve studied language. and that is going to stick with people. i think you are going to see it a lot in advertising over the next few months. whether it has an impact only they know. we ll be back. sean: much more with frank luntz and his group in hotlanta and veters there. plus the nfl s all time leading rusher emmitt smith is here to talk about what made him a success on and off the field. i even talk a little politics with him. i don t think he s the democrat he says he is. this weekend marks the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. we check in with donald rumsfeld. he s here live in studio to talk about that and much more, straight ahead. 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we like the truth. he s telling us the truth about everything he says. he has a plan. specific. very specific. has plans and solutions and he knows what he s talking about. he s a businessman. he gets it like the american people want to hear it. it is not political. rick perry, this was his first debate how did he perform? he was built up to be this great candidate, a governor for 10 years of the biggest state. and he got there and was flat. he didn t have it. he had to go back to texas to care for the wildfires and look after that he just got in the case. he didn t have time to have as much preparation as some of the other candidates did. i don t think he was well prepared i d give him a 6 out of 10. i was looking forward to hearing him, because i hadn t heard him in the past. i was disappointed in how he phrased his answers women why? the build-up he got so fast since he ended, i expected more from him. i want to show you one segment, and to the american people, there was one issue where rick perry absolutely scored universally positive. it was on a topic where the anchors of the debate were surprised that the audience surprised at the audience reaction. governor perry, question about texas. your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times [ applause ] have you struggleed to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent? no, sir i ve never struggled with that at all. the state of texas has a very thoughtful, very clear process in place which when someone commits the most heinous of crimes against our citizens, they get a fair hearing they go through an appellate process. they go up to the supreme court of the united states if that s required. in the state of texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you are involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of texas. and that is, you will be executed. powerful. what is your reaction. wow, i was impressed. it was such a decisive answer. not your typical dish rag politician speak. we are tired of the nonsense that goes on in the courts. i agree. it has not been an issue in the campaign but it was great to see him answer it the way he did. it is clearly something he strongly believes in and has said many times in the past. it is time this country goes back living by the law. he spoke from the heart. you could tell he really meant it. it is enough of the political correctness let s take of things. the law is there i thought it was a little unclassy to give a standing ovation to killing a couple hunt people. but i did agree with what he said. i i think he answered it perfectly. i think he put it to bed. would you tell him to make that into a political ad? no. not an issue? no. it is only an issue in texas. not every state has the death penalty. it is the economy stupid. exactly. you got to wrap up. how many of you walked into this supporting rick perry, raise your hands? a lot of you. that events what the polls show. how many of you were pinned with rick perry s performance. some of you. who is still undecided of you, raise your hands. interesting, a lot of you are starting to make up your minds. these debates are going to matter. we have a debate next week, the fox news debate following week in florida. clearly these exchanges have an impact. and the language matters. sean, i hope the candidates are watching, because they would learn a lot from the electorate. sean back to you. sean: next, my interview with one of the all time great running backs of the nfl. emmitt smith joins me in studio. we talk about his incredible career. plus, he says he s a democrat. i think otherwise. later donald rumsfeld is here to reflect on this weekend s 10th anniversary of the september 11th attacks. and shares his vivid memories of that that tragic day. diabetes testing? 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[ talking over each other ] sean: if you stop working out atrophy. i agree. we both agree here. at the end of the day again, we are bipartisan because we both agree. most people can t come to a point of agreement. sean: but you say you are a democrat. that i am. sean: do you believe in abortion? no i do not. sean: do you believe in gay marriage? no, marriage is a teen a man and woman. that s their business they do what they want. sean: do you believe taxes are too high? i believe taxes are what they are. i never set the tax structure. i inherited a tax structure. [ talking over each other ] let me finish. sean: i love you. when i became i went from broke to some money. sean: so did it. i said some, not a lot. when i got my first million dollar check and i had to cut the government $400,000. i was open to reality. that the real world pays taxes. so i m okay. i said okay. sean: what did they do for $400,000? i said you know what if i made a million and they get $400,000 as long as they put it to good and people should not be hungry and living on the street i m okay. but when they don t have a place to go, i got a problem. sean: if you took that $400,000 and started the emmitt smith foundation. i still do it. sean: who do a better job, you or the government? i would like to think i would. sean: i am telling you right now i love people. sean: i love people. you are going home, think about this and it going to stick with you. you are going to say you want me to transform to a republican? sean: just a conservative. because you are a conservative. that may be true. sean: god bless you, i love the book. it has been an honor to meet you. you are a good guy, thank you. sean: coming up this weekend marks the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. next donald rumsfeld relives where he was on that day, that and more coming up. [ male announcer ] unlike some car companies, nissan is running at 100%, which means the most innovative cars are also the most available cars. nissan. innovation for today. innovation for all. sean: welcome back. it as been 10 years since the tragic terrorist attack on american soil. former defense secretary donald rumsfeld will never for september morning which he vividly describes in his book. i sat down with secretary rumsfeld to discuss the attacks. the upcoming 10 year anniversary and much more. can you believe it has been 10 years? i can t. it is amazing thought that we ve managed to navigate through a decade almost and not have another successful attack here in the united states. there have been attacks elsewhere in the world, to be sure. but we ve been very fortunate. sean: walk us through your day on 9/11 as it is happening, what you re thinking, how you deal with it. tell us about that day? you go to work like it was any other day. lovely, sunny day in washington, d.c.. i had break fast with eight or 10 members of the united states house of representatives. i was deeply concerned about the defense budget. after every major conflict we ve had in this country we breathed a sigh of relief and relaxed and cut the defense budget, we cut the intelligence budget and then we pay a penalty later. we did it after world war ii, after korea, after vietnam and after the cold war for a decade we did that. when president george w. bush and arrived back in office, we needed to increase it. i was sitting there talking to them and said literally something to the effect that something is going to happen in this country and you are going to want to be a supporter of the defense and intelligence budgets because we are going to need them to deter and defend the american people. we were told that a plane hit the world trade center. i thought it was an accident. then of course when the second one hit, it was not. sean: we all knew right away. sure. we were under attack. i was in my office right next to the breakfast room. the building shook, literally. we had been hit, i didn t know if it was a bomb or an aircraft. but i raced down the hall to see if i could figure out what happened to the place, because no one was communiquing anything at that stage, people were still trying to figure it out. sean: how close to that? it is a five-sided building it was not the next one but the one over. sean: were you pretty close. yeah, i got down the hall and the smoke was so bad. the place was burning. we went down stairs and went outside. i ran into a lt. colonel who told me he had seen the plane hit the building. that clarified that. i looked out and here were these small pieces of metal, parts of the aircraft all over the lawn, the apron around the building. there were not a lot of people there at that . the first responders hadn t arrived. people were coming out of the building burned and hurt and wounded and being taken out. i stayed there for a few minutes and attempted to help. then realized that first the people were coming and they didn t need me there. and i went back to my office and began the process of thinking through and talking to the president and the vice president. sean: as you look at this administration, they had a hard time acknowledging war on terror, apologizing for america. and we saw this most reason deal on the debt limit and automatic cuts, big portion of which will come out of defense. it must not happen. sean: i don t have a lot of faith in this super committee, that they are going to come to a consensus to cut washington spending. i don t think they have the moral courage seemingly to do so. so it seems the automatic cuts will come. what does that mean for our country s security in the long run? i think there is more coming. i pray i m wrong. i pray that i m wrong. but i think we are letting our guard down again. we ve done it four, five times in my adult lifetime. i m 79-years-old. sean: you don t look a day over 60. we did it after korea, vietnam, at the end of the cold war. just said it is the end of history we can live in this world and not worry about the dangers and the risks. and it is not true. the weapons today are so lethal, so dangerous, that we have to recognize that weakness is provocative. we can t provoke people into trying those things. sean: i know it doesn t bother you but i have to ask any way. you became, as this war on terror began, a different war than we ve ever fought. you became a very controversial central figure. you even offered to resign a couple of times you describe it in your book. the president wouldn t accept your resignation. it happened after the 2006 election. i guess the question is, we get guantanamo, enhanced interrogations, black sites, rendition, all of these issues that came up patriot act. sean: patriot act another one. as you look back on every decision, on every new thing we future place, any re s any regrets or do you think more strongly today these are the right decisions? i think they were tough decisions and i think the president made the right decisions. and the fact that the same structures exist today in an administration that campaigned against every single one of them and yet they are still there. why? not because it is anyone s first choice. but because we live in a world that is dangerous. and these structures have protected the american people. and the bush administration, president job deserves a lot of credit for it. sean: so do you. mr. secretary thank you for being with us. one man s crusade to honor all of the first reponders who lost their lives during attacks on 9/11. he s doing it one brush stroke at a time. we ll explain, next. 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[ bagpipes ] we are gathered today on this occasion to honor the 15 firefighters from this station who died on september 11th, 2001. to commemorate that event, the artist darryl lynn has presented us with a group painting of the firefighters from engine 54 ladder 4, battalion 9. we thank him, friends of the families, local offs, the media, local officials, the media, other supporters and surviving firefighters of this station who are here today. we were thrilled to have the families involved, the children involved. that was such a special part of the presentation. many of the families didn t know we had a portrait of their hero. i think that was special. and we are hearing from so many of them as we do around the country when we ship these. they can see the soul of their hero in the eyes of the portrait. that s what we are trying to achieve in every one. beautiful, like he s here today. it is so real to see his picture like that it is so hard, i m sorry. nice to be here to see the other families. we all know we are going to the same thing. beautiful. it is hard. it doesn t get easier, 10 years later. i m sure whenever i look at those photographs, every time i come to work, it brings a strong reaction to me. makes me remember those guys. and what they did for me and the city of new york. if we can give just a little bit of healing and comfort, where they can look at it everyday and have a smile on their face, that s why we are doing it, no other reason. sean: joining us the man himself who helped organize this organization with his wife, darryl, thank you for being with us. first, you are halfway there in terms of the number of portraits you are going to do? we are approaching 250 of the 403 first responders. sean: explain how you and your wife came up with this idea? we started 2 1/2 years ago to honor heroes in the armed forces then we went to fire and police. we were here doing a project at engine 54. as we were driving home on the 12th, after presenting 12 portraits to family members there that day we were so moved, having spent a machine at engine 54 working with them on that a month at engine 54 working with them on that project. on the drive back to tennessee, i started getting in my mind we need to do them all, present this to every family that need we decide we decided this is what our calling is. and use what we ve done in our life to give back. our total focus has shifted to hero portraits. we donate portraits across the country. this year is focused on 9/11. in addition to the portraits i kept invisioning a memorial of faces. not photographs, but the portraits that we do which are so three dement three mentional and powerful. we took photographs and worked on it and had a rendering done and started the process. sean: families never forget they wake up everyday they don t have their brothers, husbands, dads, their moms that they lost. they still wake up everyday and they still with this trauma. this is an incredible thing that you are doing. i want to give you it is very inspirational. your brother was named jimmy lynch, james lynch, tell us about him. he was a port authority police officer for going on 23 years. he was his post was the world trade center for about the last eight years of his career. prior to that, he was at other posts and he received a group medal of val already for his response to the first bombing at the valor for his response to the first at the world trade center. sean: you have not seen the portrait of your brother yet? no. sean stkarpbl, you sent the pick tour him? yes. okay. it is great. sean: wow i am. that is that is amazing. it is an incredible job. thank you. you re very welcome. sean: we are also honored to have with us. we have sharry and your son michael now 17 and kyle 12 kiley. sean: i m sorry kiley 12. your husband was john florio. tell us about your husband. he was a he was a firefighter for 12 years. he loved his job. he would never do anything else. he died doing what he loved to do. sean: were you 7-years-old that s a tough time for a young man to lose his dad. it was hard. sean: are you ready darryl. first, here s the picture. sean: wow.
hikes on the wealthiest americans. here to give us the republican perspective on last night s address, congressman shock and adam kin singer. it is across the board the response you see from people except for the die-hard obama lovers out there. congressman shock, is there anything here that you see that is going to help create jobs in the country? sean, we already know the answer to your question this is really a mini stimulus bill. it is stimulus 2.0. it spends a third of the original bill that he passed. look at the details. over half of the 300 billion dollars that he wants to spend is to continue two policies. unemployment benefits for 99 week, nearly two years. and a continuation of the payroll tax holiday. these are two policies are currently in effect. the question it begs is what is different? after the august recess and labor day holiday the president said he was to bring forward this bold agenda to help put americans back to work. last night it fell flat. sean: it did. congressman, simple question, he kept saying, repeated this is going to be paid for. then this little detail he left out, he s going to about dump it on the so-called super committee so they can make more cuts. which, by the way, if they cannot come to a consensus means we are going to gut our defense department at a time where we see instability all over the world. is that a good idea? did you think they come up with the numbers to pay for in? it is a terrible idea. what the president has proposed is front loading spending for a promise of spending cuts to come. i ve heard so many on the other side of the aisle say we can never cut 1.5 trillion. they are going to say to reach 1.we have to have tax increases or go after defense more. this is like, the 10th or 20th white horse that washington, d.c. has ridden in on. i think the american people and the peep of illinois where we represent are and the people of illinois where we represent are saying get washington out of our way. we want the free trade trade s to pass. sean: i listened last night. first, he has not laid out a specific plan. where we can go online, read the legislation, get the devil in the details and come to our own conclusions. this is basically his campaign speech. he s going to say i offered this, that, i wanted to fix the economy and those rascally republicans they got in the way and those republicans are obstructionists. that seemed to be the theme over and over again. these are money sense, bipartisan proposals by republicans and democrats and you should pass it now. are they bipartisan proposals? thankfully, despite the fact for him calling on us to pass the bill 100 times last night. pass the bill many thankfully in the republican house this year, we are going to get to read the bill. which i think is equally important, also for our con the city withins to read the bill. you are right he he hasn t laid out a proposal get us out of the rut we are in. there s a view where the president believes he can continue to borrow from china. spend more money. hire more government workers to grow the economy which has not worked. or what the republicans have done not just talked about, but passed legislation this year in the house to get the federal government out of the way of the private sector. to make america the favorite place to invest and hire someone. ultimately the entrepreneur in america will lead us to recovery. and the federal government is impeding that. sean: two things emerge congressman that are interesting. played up the class warfare, predictable. coming into the speech, we had the series of attack by his allies, his supporters. republicans, tea party members can go straight to hell, they are sons of bitches, terrorists, barbarians at the gate, they want to see black americans hanging from trees. all of this say. the president who lectures on civility was silent last night. was that striking to you? very striking. he talked about this bipartisan need to work together. we agree, we want to find areasof commonality that we can work together to get the american people back to work. understanding that the federal government doesn t create jobs we can only create that environment. when i saw that speech where we were called sob s where they stood up and said we gotta take these guys out. and the president spoke after that and didn t renounce it. that was getting off on the wrong foot that is a partisan foot. tonight what i saw is the president saying, pass this bill last night, he said that and he had a standing ovation before he even began to outline what was in the bill. sean: one of the reasons that i know congressman shock this is political, i have spies, this may shock them, pfeiffer and plouffe preparing every democrat in the country for the days leading into this speech. it was all the same message. briefing donors on the night of the speech in chicago in an effort to help support the president. it is clearly political. they are going out there claiming michelle bachmann once proposed this. this republican once proposed that. he really hasn t laid out a specific plan that we can say okay this is going to work. do we risk one thing he supports tax cuts, payroll tax et cetera, is fine but it hasn t worked up to this point. implemented in the bush and obama administration. do you support it? you are exactly right. no, it is failed policy. the definition of insanity we all know is doing the same thing and expecting different results. let s take his favorite piece of the pie, infrastructure investment. how much have we heard about how he wants to spend on infrastructure. we heard that when he first became president. a trillion stimulus bill the largest since eisenhower was president. less than 8%, 50 billion went to infrastructure and did nothing to regentrify our economy. he s serious about making america competitive with infrastructure investment, we need a six year bill like ronald reagan did, like bill clinton did, like george w. bush did that was paid for. that s what the president has failed to do. not only offer a mission but more importantly, a plan to get us to where he wants to go and we want to go, which is lower unemployment and more people working. sean: good to see you both. we appreciate it. next, frank luntz with reaction to this week s gop presidential debate. we have a special focus group in atlanta. also a legend on the football tpaopld. field. one-on-one, hall of famer emmitt smith here. we talk about his career, his new book. and why i say deep down inside he s really a conservative. he doesn t believe it but i m going to tell him why why. as we approach the anniversary of 9/11 donald rumsfeld recounts the day we were attacked and stphraeupbs what we need to do to make and explains what we need to do to make sure that never happens again. gas and bloating. with the strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at probiotic. 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[ male announcer ] stay smart and book smart. book early and save up to 20% at any holiday inn express. stay you. sean: welcome back. earlier this week the gop presidential hopefuls sparred over who would be the best candidate to take back the white house. frank luntz got reaction to the debate from a focus group of voters in atlanta. sean, everyone agrees it was a great debate. there s one issue that stood out above all thekrç others. that was social security. let s take a look at how our republican group dialed rick perry when he called social security a ponzi scheme. the republican candidates are talking about ways to transition this program. it is a monstrous lie. it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25, 30 years old today, you paying into a program that is going to be there. anybody that is for the status quo, with social security today, is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids and it is not right. it dialed incredibly well among conservatives and moderate republicans. romney took him on. and it didn t dial as well. let s talk a look. the governor says states ought to be able to opt-out of social security. our nominee has to be committed to saving social security. we have always had, at the heart of our party a recognition we want to care for those in need. our seniors have the need of social security. i will make sure we keep the program and make it financially secure. we save social security under no circumstances would i say by any measure it is a failure. it is working for millions of americans and i will keep it working for millions of americans. we have to do that as a party. here s the question, who is right? you are republican primary voters who is right perry or romney? how many of you say perry? he s calling it a ponzi scheme, do you understand? it is. so he s telling the truth. and paid in for many years. when you are paying older investors with newer people that are paying it, that s a ponzi scheme. paul ryan said a month ago in an interview there s 90 to 120 trillion in unfunded liabilities medicare, medicaid and social security, what else is it? you don t have enough young workers to support the ones retiring. i m not saying eliminate it, but change it. you think this is the language you want to use going to the american people? yes! the only thing that worries me about it. i agree with what he s saying. but it worries me he is not going to be elect able in the general election. what romney says makes him more electable. what perry said is right. even if you think it, you can t say it, you scare people. people need to hear the truth. not everybody hears the truth. we ve gone so long for five years now and it is not getting better. people want to hear the truth, i do. without having a spin. but you can t call it a ponzi scheme. bernie madoff is sitting in prison for the same thing. the government has more power than he does. they can use a gun to get their money. fdr said this would not make it through the 80s. i promise you i have to work for the rest of my life, i ve accepted that. with your voice i ll do whatever you tell me to do. it is a basic ponzi scheme the structure the definition. more importantly, me, my wife, my family we have not believed in social security and we ve taken every step possible to ensure we are on a cash basis to make sure we have assets necessary to live through that. allow me to be political for a moment, electoral for a moment. aren t you nervous, going too an election with independents and conservative democrats that this language turns people off? no, not at all. he should look the american people in the eye and tell the truth. it is a ponzi scheme i am we are adults, we can take it. we understand what a ponzi scheme is. we know this is a ponzi scheme. if you asked everyone here the thing we want most is the truth. we don t trust our politicians at all for the truth. it is time we heard the truth. maybe we can t handle the truth! [ laughing ] yes we can! more importantly beyond that, even beyond that we ve got all these unfunded iou s from congress that have been raiding it for years. i couldn t care, i have paid into it for decades how is this going to be pulled out. i could give it up and keep funding those already in it. the public is ready for the truth. i think the tea party brought that out with the debt ceiling and all the other but the tea party was 2010 in an off year election. you really think that seniors, who are depending on social security are going to hear in ponzi i don t want to bias you. aren t you nervous about that? very much so. i want to hear solutions too. i don t just want to hear it is a ponzi scheme. don t just scare people and not offer an solution. it is a ponzi scheme but we have to find a way to fix it. if that is all they hear is ponzi scheme it is already lost. even when he stated that he wasn t going to have it to those currently on social security. he was waiting for them to be 55 and older. as republicans we are making a mistake. we get it. we ve got to look past that we have to find somebody who can beat obama in the general election. is that rick perry? i don t think so. we are going to be back with the question over who can defeat barack obama? language is powerful. i ve studied language. and that is going to stick with people. i think you are going to see it a lot in advertising over the next few months. whether it has an impact only they know. we ll be back. sean: much more with frank luntz and his group in hotlanta and veters there. plus the nfl s all time leading rusher emmitt smith is here to talk about what made him a success on and off the field. i even talk a little politics with him. i don t think he s the democrat he says he is. this weekend marks the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. we check in with donald rumsfeld. he s here live in studio to talk about that and much more, straight ahead. 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we like the truth. he s telling us the truth about everything he says. he has a plan. specific. very specific. has plans and solutions and he knows what he s talking about. he s a businessman. he gets it like the american people want to hear it. it is not political. rick perry, this was his first debate how did he perform? he was built up to be this great candidate, a governor for 10 years of the biggest state. and he got there and was flat. he didn t have it. he had to go back to texas to care for the wildfires and look after that he just got in the case. he didn t have time to have as much preparation as some of the other candidates did. i don t think he was well prepared i d give him a 6 out of 10. i was looking forward to hearing him, because i hadn t heard him in the past. i was disappointed in how he phrased his answers women why? the build-up he got so fast since he ended, i expected more from him. i want to show you one segment, and to the american people, there was one issue where rick perry absolutely scored universally positive. it was on a topic where the anchors of the debate were surprised that the audience surprised at the audience reaction. governor perry, question about texas. your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times [ applause ] have you struggleed to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent? no, sir i ve never struggled with that at all. the state of texas has a very thoughtful, very clear process in place which when someone commits the most heinous of crimes against our citizens, they get a fair hearing they go through an appellate process. they go up to the supreme court of the united states if that s required. in the state of texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you are involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of texas. and that is, you will be executed. powerful. what is your reaction. wow, i was impressed. it was such a decisive answer. not your typical dish rag politician speak. we are tired of the nonsense that goes on in the courts. i agree. it has not been an issue in the campaign but it was great to see him answer it the way he did. it is clearly something he strongly believes in and has said many times in the past. it is time this country goes back living by the law. he spoke from the heart. you could tell he really meant it. it is enough of the political correctness let s take of things. the law is there i thought it was a little unclassy to give a standing ovation to killing a couple hunt people. but i did agree with what he said. i i think he answered it perfectly. i think he put it to bed. would you tell him to make that into a political ad? no. not an issue? no. it is only an issue in texas. not every state has the death penalty. it is the economy stupid. exactly. you got to wrap up. how many of you walked into this supporting rick perry, raise your hands? a lot of you. that events what the polls show. how many of you were pinned with rick perry s performance. some of you. who is still undecided of you, raise your hands. interesting, a lot of you are starting to make up your minds. these debates are going to matter. we have a debate next week, the fox news debate following week in florida. clearly these exchanges have an impact. and the language matters. sean, i hope the candidates are watching, because they would learn a lot from the electorate. sean back to you. sean: next, my interview with one of the all time great running backs of the nfl. emmitt smith joins me in studio. we talk about his incredible career. plus, he says he s a democrat. i think otherwise. later donald rumsfeld is here to reflect on this weekend s 10th anniversary of the september 11th attacks. and shares his vivid memories of that that tragic day. diabetes testing? 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[ talking over each other ] sean: if you stop working out atrophy. i agree. we both agree here. at the end of the day again, we are bipartisan because we both agree. most people can t come to a point of agreement. sean: but you say you are a democrat. that i am. sean: do you believe in abortion? no i do not. sean: do you believe in gay marriage? no, marriage is a teen a man and woman. that s their business they do what they want. sean: do you believe taxes are too high? i believe taxes are what they are. i never set the tax structure. i inherited a tax structure. [ talking over each other ] let me finish. sean: i love you. when i became i went from broke to some money. sean: so did it. i said some, not a lot. when i got my first million dollar check and i had to cut the government $400,000. i was open to reality. that the real world pays taxes. so i m okay. i said okay. sean: what did they do for $400,000? i said you know what if i made a million and they get $400,000 as long as they put it to good and people should not be hungry and living on the street i m okay. but when they don t have a place to go, i got a problem. sean: if you took that $400,000 and started the emmitt smith foundation. i still do it. sean: who do a better job, you or the government? i would like to think i would. sean: i am telling you right now i love people. sean: i love people. you are going home, think about this and it going to stick with you. you are going to say you want me to transform to a republican? sean: just a conservative. because you are a conservative. that may be true. sean: god bless you, i love the book. it has been an honor to meet you. you are a good guy, thank you. sean: coming up this weekend marks the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. next donald rumsfeld relives where he was on that day, that and more coming up. [ male announcer ] unlike some car companies, nissan is running at 100%, which means the most innovative cars are also the most available cars. nissan. innovation for today. innovation for all. sean: welcome back. it as been 10 years since the tragic terrorist attack on american soil. former defense secretary donald rumsfeld will never for september morning which he vividly describes in his book. i sat down with secretary rumsfeld to discuss the attacks. the upcoming 10 year anniversary and much more. can you believe it has been 10 years? i can t. it is amazing thought that we ve managed to navigate through a decade almost and not have another successful attack here in the united states. there have been attacks elsewhere in the world, to be sure. but we ve been very fortunate. sean: walk us through your day on 9/11 as it is happening, what you re thinking, how you deal with it. tell us about that day? you go to work like it was any other day. lovely, sunny day in washington, d.c.. i had break fast with eight or 10 members of the united states house of representatives. i was deeply concerned about the defense budget. after every major conflict we ve had in this country we breathed a sigh of relief and relaxed and cut the defense budget, we cut the intelligence budget and then we pay a penalty later. we did it after world war ii, after korea, after vietnam and after the cold war for a decade we did that. when president george w. bush and arrived back in office, we needed to increase it. i was sitting there talking to them and said literally something to the effect that something is going to happen in this country and you are going to want to be a supporter of the defense and intelligence budgets because we are going to need them to deter and defend the american people. we were told that a plane hit the world trade center. i thought it was an accident. then of course when the second one hit, it was not. sean: we all knew right away. sure. we were under attack. i was in my office right next to the breakfast room. the building shook, literally. we had been hit, i didn t know if it was a bomb or an aircraft. but i raced down the hall to see if i could figure out what happened to the place, because no one was communiquing anything at that stage, people were still trying to figure it out. sean: how close to that? it is a five-sided building it was not the next one but the one over. sean: were you pretty close. yeah, i got down the hall and the smoke was so bad. the place was burning. we went down stairs and went outside. i ran into a lt. colonel who told me he had seen the plane hit the building. that clarified that. i looked out and here were these small pieces of metal, parts of the aircraft all over the lawn, the apron around the building. there were not a lot of people there at that . the first responders hadn t arrived. people were coming out of the building burned and hurt and wounded and being taken out. i stayed there for a few minutes and attempted to help. then realized that first the people were coming and they didn t need me there. and i went back to my office and began the process of thinking through and talking to the president and the vice president. sean: as you look at this administration, they had a hard time acknowledging war on terror, apologizing for america. and we saw this most reason deal on the debt limit and automatic cuts, big portion of which will come out of defense. it must not happen. sean: i don t have a lot of faith in this super committee, that they are going to come to a consensus to cut washington spending. i don t think they have the moral courage seemingly to do so. so it seems the automatic cuts will come. what does that mean for our country s security in the long run? i think there is more coming. i pray i m wrong. i pray that i m wrong. but i think we are letting our guard down again. we ve done it four, five times in my adult lifetime. i m 79-years-old. sean: you don t look a day over 60. we did it after korea, vietnam, at the end of the cold war. just said it is the end of history we can live in this world and not worry about the dangers and the risks. and it is not true. the weapons today are so lethal, so dangerous, that we have to recognize that weakness is provocative. we can t provoke people into trying those things. sean: i know it doesn t bother you but i have to ask any way. you became, as this war on terror began, a different war than we ve ever fought. you became a very controversial central figure. you even offered to resign a couple of times you describe it in your book. the president wouldn t accept your resignation. it happened after the 2006 election. i guess the question is, we get guantanamo, enhanced interrogations, black sites, rendition, all of these issues that came up patriot act. sean: patriot act another one. as you look back on every decision, on every new thing we future place, any re s any regrets or do you think more strongly today these are the right decisions? i think they were tough decisions and i think the president made the right decisions. and the fact that the same structures exist today in an administration that campaigned against every single one of them and yet they are still there. why? not because it is anyone s first choice. but because we live in a world that is dangerous. and these structures have protected the american people. and the bush administration, president job deserves a lot of credit for it. sean: so do you. mr. secretary thank you for being with us. one man s crusade to honor all of the first reponders who lost their lives during attacks on 9/11. he s doing it one brush stroke at a time. we ll explain, next. 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[ bagpipes ] we are gathered today on this occasion to honor the 15 firefighters from this station who died on september 11th, 2001. to commemorate that event, the artist darryl lynn has presented us with a group painting of the firefighters from engine 54 ladder 4, battalion 9. we thank him, friends of the families, local offs, the media, local officials, the media, other supporters and surviving firefighters of this station who are here today. we were thrilled to have the families involved, the children involved. that was such a special part of the presentation. many of the families didn t know we had a portrait of their hero. i think that was special. and we are hearing from so many of them as we do around the country when we ship these. they can see the soul of their hero in the eyes of the portrait. that s what we are trying to achieve in every one. beautiful, like he s here today. it is so real to see his picture like that it is so hard, i m sorry. nice to be here to see the other families. we all know we are going to the same thing. beautiful. it is hard. it doesn t get easier, 10 years later. i m sure whenever i look at those photographs, every time i come to work, it brings a strong reaction to me. makes me remember those guys. and what they did for me and the city of new york. if we can give just a little bit of healing and comfort, where they can look at it everyday and have a smile on their face, that s why we are doing it, no other reason. sean: joining us the man himself who helped organize this organization with his wife, darryl, thank you for being with us. first, you are halfway there in terms of the number of portraits you are going to do? we are approaching 250 of the 403 first responders. sean: explain how you and your wife came up with this idea? we started 2 1/2 years ago to honor heroes in the armed forces then we went to fire and police. we were here doing a project at engine 54. as we were driving home on the 12th, after presenting 12 portraits to family members there that day we were so moved, having spent a machine at engine 54 working with them on that a month at engine 54 working with them on that project. on the drive back to tennessee, i started getting in my mind we need to do them all, present this to every family that need we decide we decided this is what our calling is. and use what we ve done in our life to give back. our total focus has shifted to hero portraits. we donate portraits across the country. this year is focused on 9/11. in addition to the portraits i kept invisioning a memorial of faces. not photographs, but the portraits that we do which are so three dement three mentional and powerful. we took photographs and worked on it and had a rendering done and started the process. sean: families never forget they wake up everyday they don t have their brothers, husbands, dads, their moms that they lost. they still wake up everyday and they still with this trauma. this is an incredible thing that you are doing. i want to give you it is very inspirational. your brother was named jimmy lynch, james lynch, tell us about him. he was a port authority police officer for going on 23 years. he was his post was the world trade center for about the last eight years of his career. prior to that, he was at other posts and he received a group medal of val already for his response to the first bombing at the valor for his response to the first at the world trade center. sean: you have not seen the portrait of your brother yet? no. sean stkarpbl, you sent the pick tour him? yes. okay. it is great. sean: wow i am. that is that is amazing. it is an incredible job. thank you. you re very welcome. sean: we are also honored to have with us. we have sharry and your son michael now 17 and kyle 12 kiley. sean: i m sorry kiley 12. your husband was john florio. tell us about your husband. he was a he was a firefighter for 12 years. he loved his job. he would never do anything else. he died doing what he loved to do. sean: were you 7-years-old that s a tough time for a young man to lose his dad. it was hard. sean: are you ready darryl. first, here s the picture. sean: wow. they can pan in on that. amazing. darryl this is fantastic work. god s speed in what you and your wife are doing. it is an honor to meet you. thank you. guys thank you, i m so sorry about your dad and your loss. very nice to mee
except of course, massive tax hikes on the wealthiest americans. here to give us the republican perspective on last night s address, congressman shock and adam kin singer. it is across the board the response you see from people except for the die-hard obama lovers out there. congressman shock, is there anything here that you see that is going to help create jobs in the country? sean, we already know the answer to your question this is really a mini stimulus bill. it is stimulus 2.0. it spends a third of the original bill that he passed. look at the details. over half of the 300 billion dollars that he wants to spend is to continue two policies. unemployment benefits for 99 week, nearly two years. and a continuation of the payroll tax holiday. these are two policies are currently in effect. the question it begs is what is different? after the august recess and labor day holiday the president said he was to bring forward this bold agenda to help put americans back to work. last night it fell flat. sean: it did. congressman, simple question, he kept saying, repeated this is going to be paid for. then this little detail he left out, he s going to about dump it on the so-called super committee so they can make more cuts. which, by the way, if they cannot come to a consensus means we are going to gut our defense department at a time where we see instability all over the world. is that a good idea? did you think they come up with the numbers to pay for in? it is a terrible idea. what the president has proposed is front loading spending for a promise of spending cuts to come. i ve heard so many on the other side of the aisle say we can never cut 1.5 trillion. they are going to say to reach 1.we have to have tax increases or go after defense more. this is like, the 10th or 20th white horse that washington, d.c. has ridden in on. i think the american people and the peep of illinois where we represent are and the people of illinois where we represent are saying get washington out of our way. we want the free trade trade s to pass. sean: i listened last night. first, he has not laid out a specific plan. where we can go online, read the legislation, get the devil in the details and come to our own conclusions. this is basically his campaign speech. he s going to say i offered this, that, i wanted to fix the economy and those rascally republicans they got in the way and those republicans are obstructionists. that seemed to be the theme over and over again. these are money sense, bipartisan proposals by republicans and democrats and you should pass it now. are they bipartisan proposals? thankfully, despite the fact for him calling on us to pass the bill 100 times last night. pass the bill many thankfully in the republican house this year, we are going to get to read the bill. which i think is equally important, also for our con the city withins to read the bill. you are right he he hasn t laid out a proposal get us out of the rut we are in. there s a view where the president believes he can continue to borrow from china. spend more money. hire more government workers to grow the economy which has not worked. or what the republicans have done not just talked about, but passed legislation this year in the house to get the federal government out of the way of the private sector. to make america the favorite place to invest and hire someone. ultimately the entrepreneur in america will lead us to recovery. and the federal government is impeding that. sean: two things emerge congressman that are interesting. played up the class warfare, predictable. coming into the speech, we had the series of attack by his allies, his supporters. republicans, tea party members can go straight to hell, they are sons of bitches, terrorists, barbarians at the gate, they want to see black americans hanging from trees. all of this say. the president who lectures on civility was silent last night. was that striking to you? very striking. he talked about this bipartisan need to work together. we agree, we want to find areas of commonality that we can work together to get the american people back to work. understanding that the federal government doesn t create jobs we can only create that environment. when i saw that speech where we were called sob s where they stood up and said we gotta take these guys out. and the president spoke after that and didn t renounce it. that was getting off on the wrong foot that is a partisan foot. tonight what i saw is the president saying, pass this bill last night, he said that and he had a standing ovation before he even began to outline what was in the bill. sean: one of the reasons that i know congressman shock this is political, i have spies, this may shock them, pfeiffer and plouffe preparing every democrat in the country for the days leading into this speech. it was all the same message. briefing donors on the night of the speech in chicago in an effort to help support the president. it is clearly political. they are going out there claiming michelle bachmann once proposed this. this republican once proposed that. he really hasn t laid out a specific plan that we can say okay this is going to work. do we risk one thing he supports tax cuts, payroll tax et cetera, is fine but it hasn t worked up to this point. implemented in the bush and obama administration. do you support it? you are exactly right. no, it is failed policy. the definition of insanity we all know is doing the same thing and expecting different results. let s take his favorite piece of the pie, infrastructure investment. how much have we heard about how he wants to spend on infrastructure. we heard that when he first became president. a trillion stimulus bill the largest since eisenhower was president. less than 8%, 50 billion went to infrastructure and did nothing to regentrify our economy. he s serious about making america competitive with infrastructure investment, we need a six year bill like ronald reagan did, like bill clinton did, like george w. bush did that was paid for. that s what the president has failed to do. not only offer a mission but more importantly, a plan to get us to where he wants to go and we want to go, which is lower unemployment and more people working. sean: good to see you both. we appreciate it. next, frank luntz with reaction to this week s gop presidential debate. we have a special focus group in atlanta. also a legend on the football tpaopld. field. one-on-one, hall of famer emmitt smith here. we talk about his career, his new book. and why i say deep down inside he s really a conservative. he doesn t believe it but i m going to tell him why why. as we approach the anniversary of 9/11 donald rumsfeld recounts the day we were attacked and stphraeupbs what we need to do stphraeupbs what we need to do to (birds chirping) there he is. 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[ male announcer ] to get the flights you want, sign up for a venture card at capitalone.com. what s in your wallet? uh, it s okay. i ve played a pilot before. sean: welcome back. earlier this week the gop presidential hopefuls sparred over who would be the best candidate to take back the white house. frank luntz got reaction to the debate from a focus group of voters in atlanta. sean, everyone agrees it was a great debate. there s one issue that stood out above all thekrç others. that was social security. let s take a look at how our republican group dialed rick perry when he called social security a ponzi scheme. the republican candidates are talking about ways to transition this program. it is a monstrous lie. it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25, 30 years old today, you paying into a program that is going to be there. anybody that is for the status quo, with social security today, is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids and it is not right. it dialed incredibly well among conservatives and moderate republicans. romney took him on. and it didn t dial as well. let s talk a look. the governor says states ought to be able to opt-out of social security. our nominee has to be committed to saving social security. we have always had, at the heart of our party a recognition we want to care for those in need. our seniors have the need of social security. i will make sure we keep the program and make it financially secure. we save social security under no circumstances would i say by any measure it is a failure. it is working for millions of americans and i will keep it working for millions of americans. we have to do that as a party. here s the question, who is right? you are republican primary voters who is right perry or romney? how many of you say perry? he s calling it a ponzi scheme, do you understand? it is. so he s telling the truth. and paid in for many years. when you are paying older investors with newer people that are paying it, that s a ponzi scheme. paul ryan said a month ago in an interview there s 90 to 120 trillion in unfunded liabilities medicare, medicaid and social security, what else is it? you don t have enough young workers to support the ones retiring. i m not saying eliminate it, but change it. you think this is the language you want to use going to the american people? yes! the only thing that worries me about it. i agree with what he s saying. but it worries me he is not going to be elect able in the general election. what romney says makes him more electable. what perry said is right. even if you think it, you can t say it, you scare people. people need to hear the truth. not everybody hears the truth. we ve gone so long for five years now and it is not getting better. people want to hear the truth, i do. without having a spin. but you can t call it a ponzi scheme. bernie madoff is sitting in prison for the same thing. the government has more power than he does. they can use a gun to get their money. fdr said this would not make it through the 80s. i promise you i have to work for the rest of my life, i ve accepted that. with your voice i ll do whatever you tell me to do. it is a basic ponzi scheme the structure the definition. more importantly, me, my wife, my family we have not believed in social security and we ve taken every step possible to ensure we are on a cash basis to make sure we have assets necessary to live through that. allow me to be political for a moment, electoral for a moment. aren t you nervous, going too an election with independents and conservative democrats that this language turns people off? no, not at all. he should look the american people in the eye and tell the truth. it is a ponzi scheme i am we are adults, we can take it. we understand what a ponzi scheme is. we know this is a ponzi scheme. if you asked everyone here the thing we want most is the truth. we don t trust our politicians at all for the truth. it is time we heard the truth. maybe we can t handle the truth! [ laughing ] yes we can! more importantly beyond that, even beyond that we ve got all these unfunded iou s from congress that have been raiding it for years. i couldn t care, i have paid into it for decades how is this going to be pulled out. i could give it up and keep funding those already in it. the public is ready for the truth. i think the tea party brought that out with the debt ceiling and all the other but the tea party was 2010 in an off year election. you really think that seniors, who are depending on social security are going to hear in ponzi i don t want to bias you. aren t you nervous about that? very much so. i want to hear solutions too. i don t just want to hear it is a ponzi scheme. don t just scare people and not offer an solution. it is a ponzi scheme but we have to find a way to fix it. if that is all they hear is ponzi scheme it is already lost. even when he stated that he wasn t going to have it to those currently on social security. he was waiting for them to be 55 and older. as republicans we are making a mistake. we get it. we ve got to look past that we have to find somebody who can beat obama in the general election. is that rick perry? i don t think so. we are going to be back with the question over who can defeat barack obama? language is powerful. i ve studied language. and that is going to stick with people. i think you are going to see it a lot in advertising over the next few months. whether it has an impact only they know. we ll be back. sean: much more with frank luntz and his group in hotlanta and veters there. plus the nfl s all time leading rusher emmitt smith is here to talk about what made him a success on and off the field. i even talk a little politics with him. i don t think he s the democrat he says he is. this weekend marks the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. we check in with donald rumsfeld. he s here live in studio to talk about that and much more, straight ahead. 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[ laughter ] . sean: welcome back. as we go back to frank luntz and his focus group of atlanta voters. the whole conversation was about romney vs. perry. our people picked a different segment from a different candidate as being the top sound bite of the reagan presidential library debate. let s see what they chose. if 10% is good enough for god, 9% ought to be good enough for the federal government. this would replace all federal income taxes. it would also replace the payroll tax so everybody gets some skin if the game. and it replaces the capital gains tax. this economy is on life support. we do not need a solution that just trims around the edges. this is a bold plan and bold solution. it is fair to say that cain is not one of the front-runners. yet, you chose that segment, why? we like the truth. he s telling us the truth about everything he says. he has a plan. specific. very specific. has plans and solutions and he knows what he s talking about. he s a businessman. he gets it like the american people want to hear it. it is not political. rick perry, this was his first debate how did he perform? he was built up to be this great candidate, a governor for 10 years of the biggest state. and he got there and was flat. he didn t have it. he had to go back to texas to care for the wildfires and look after that he just got in the case. he didn t have time to have as much preparation as some of the other candidates did. i don t think he was well prepared i d give him a 6 out of 10. i was looking forward to hearing him, because i hadn t heard him in the past. i was disappointed in how he phrased his answers women why? the build-up he got so fast since he ended, i expected more from him. i want to show you one segment, and to the american people, there was one issue where rick perry absolutely scored universally positive. it was on a topic where the anchors of the debate were surprised that the audience surprised at the audience reaction. governor perry, question about texas. your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times [ applause ] have you struggleed to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent? no, sir i ve never struggled with that at all. the state of texas has a very thoughtful, very clear process in place which when someone commits the most heinous of crimes against our citizens, they get a fair hearing they go through an appellate process. they go up to the supreme court of the united states if that s required. in the state of texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you are involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of texas. and that is, you will be executed. powerful. what is your reaction. wow, i was impressed. it was such a decisive answer. not your typical dish rag politician speak. we are tired of the nonsense that goes on in the courts. i agree. it has not been an issue in the campaign but it was great to see him answer it the way he did. it is clearly something he strongly believes in and has said many times in the past. it is time this country goes back living by the law. he spoke from the heart. you could tell he really meant it. it is enough of the political correctness let s take of things. the law is there i thought it was a little unclassy to give a standing ovation to killing a couple hunt people. but i did agree with what he said. i i think he answered it perfectly. i think he put it to bed. would you tell him to make that into a political ad? no. not an issue? no. it is only an issue in texas. not every state has the death penalty. it is the economy stupid. exactly. you got to wrap up. how many of you walked into this supporting rick perry, raise your hands? a lot of you. that events what the polls show. how many of you were pinned with rick perry s performance. some of you. who is still undecided of you, raise your hands. interesting, a lot of you are starting to make up your minds. these debates are going to matter. we have a debate next week, the fox news debate following week in florida. clearly these exchanges have an impact. and the language matters. sean, i hope the candidates are watching, because they would learn a lot from the electorate. sean back to you. sean: next, my interview with one of the all time great running backs of the nfl. emmitt smith joins me in studio. we talk about his incredible career. plus, he says he s a democrat. i think otherwise. later donald rumsfeld is here to reflect on this weekend s 10th anniversary of the september 11th attacks. i m just a piece of dirt stuck here in a rut. ever since that ol broom dumped me here. oh, oh. oooh! will love ever come my way? 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[ female announcer ] whitening without the wait. 3d white two hour express whitestrips.from crest. life opens up when you do. and try 3d white toothpaste and rinse. sean: legendary hall of famer emmitt smith seems to have done it all. all time leading rusher, most rushing touchdowns in league history, three time super bowl champ. by the way he once was crowned the winner of dancing with the stars. now he is out with a new book called game on earlier i had the honor to sit down with emmett and talk about his book and even his political beliefs. it is an monitor to have you. it is a pleasure to be on. sean: i m a huge fan of yours. even though i m a jets fan. it is okay. sean: you won gatorade player of the year in high school. you took your best friend the quarterback to the super bowl game and you said to him, i m going to be out there playing in this stadium. almost like it was when i was 7-years-old. you get into a stadium like the rose bowl in pasadena. talking about a young kid from pensacola, florida hardly travels outside of the city. now i m on the plane flying to california, southern california. and i m sitting in the rose bowl watching the giants play the broncos. me and my best friend. all expense paid for. i m getting caught up if the emotions of the game. that was my love for the game itself. that to me represented the pinnacle of what sports could be, for me. sitting there i was like wow, man one day, i want to play in this stadium in the super bowl. little did i know, six years later, god would bless me to play with the dallas cowboys the team that i always wanted to play for in the super bowl in that stadium with my best friend and his family watching me. how awesome is that. sean: pretty awesome, life is good. now something difficult. what is this i m a democrat stuff? this is where i have a problem with democrats and liberals and nancy pelosi and harry reid and barack obama. they are addicting people to government. they are taking away that intuitive drive that people are born with to be great like you became great. you wanted to be a dallas cowboy. the number one rusher all time. you chiefed those goals. you thank god. you thank ever person that influenced you. when you needed to give a speech you worked hard with a speech coach and you knocked that out of the park inspiring. why not help people why not help people achieve the way you achieved? i am helping people achieve the way i achieved. sean: book is inspiring. right. i m trying to inspire people to find their own purpose. each and every one of us is equipmented with a certain amount of talent. sometimes people need coaching. i ve had great coaching. jimmy johnson was one of the best that i ve had. dwight thomas my high school coach. if you wouldn t have given me the concept of writing down my goals and understanding they are only a dream until i write them then, then i probably wouldn t have been as driven as i was. i take that same philosophy and say to someone else that is a little less fortunate than me. they may have the drive, the determination maybe looking for the opportunity, the hand up as you sederer. they may be looking for that. i try to give them those tools. sean: the way you explain i, you do i m agreeing with you. this is my point, the way the government does it, they give you a hand and push you down then you are addicted to their housing and health care and their hand-outs. i understand. [ talking over each other ] sean: if you stop working out atrophy. i agree. we both agree here. at the end of the day again, we are bipartisan because we both agree. most people can t come to a point of agreement. sean: but you say you are a democrat. that i am. sean: do you believe in abortion? no i do not. sean: do you believe in gay marriage? no, marriage is a teen a man and woman. that s their business they do what they want. sean: do you believe taxes are too high? i believe taxes are what they are. i never set the tax structure. i inherited a tax structure. [ talking over each other ] let me finish. sean: i love you. when i became i went from broke to some money. sean: so did it. i said some, not a lot. when i got my first million dollar check and i had to cut the government $400,000. i was open to reality. that the real world pays taxes. so i m okay. i said okay. sean: what did they do for $400,000? i said you know what if i made a million and they get $400,000 as long as they put it to good and people should not be hungry and living on the street i m okay. but when they don t have a place to go, i got a problem. sean: if you took that $400,000 and started the emmitt smith foundation. i still do it. sean: who do a better job, you or the government? i would like to think i would. sean: i am telling you right now i love people. sean: i love people. you are going home, think about this and it going to stick with you. you are going to say you want me to transform to a republican? sean: just a conservative. because you are a conservative. that may be true. sean: god bless you, i love the book. it has been an honor to meet you. you are a good guy, thank you. sean: coming up this weekend marks the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. next donald rumsfeld relives where he was on that day, that and more coming up. [ male announcer ] unlike some car companies, nissan is running at 100%, which means the most innovative cars are also the most available cars. nissan. innovation for today. innovation for all. sean: welcome back. it as been 10 years since the tragic terrorist attack on american soil. former defense secretary donald rumsfeld will never for september morning which he vividly describes in his book. i sat down with secretary rumsfeld to discuss the attacks. the upcoming 10 year anniversary and much more. can you believe it has been 10 years? i can t. it is amazing thought that we ve managed to navigate through a decade almost and not have another successful attack here in the united states. there have been attacks elsewhere in the world, to be sure. but we ve been very fortunate. sean: walk us through your day on 9/11 as it is happening, what you re thinking, how you deal with it. tell us about that day? you go to work like it was any other day. lovely, sunny day in washington, d.c.. i had break fast with eight or 10 members of the united states house of representatives. i was deeply concerned about the defense budget. after every major conflict we ve had in this country we breathed a sigh of relief and relaxed and cut the defense budget, we cut the intelligence budget and then we pay a penalty later. we did it after world war ii, after korea, after vietnam and after the cold war for a decade we did that. when president george w. bush and arrived back in office, we needed to increase it. i was sitting there talking to them and said literally something to the effect that something is going to happen in this country and you are going to want to be a supporter of the defense and intelligence budgets because we are going to need them to deter and defend the american people. we were told that a plane hit the world trade center. i thought it was an accident. then of course when the second one hit, it was not. sean: we all knew right away. sure. we were under attack. i was in my office right next to the breakfast room. the building shook, literally. we had been hit, i didn t know if it was a bomb or an aircraft. but i raced down the hall to see if i could figure out what happened to the place, because no one was communiquing anything at that stage, people were still trying to figure it out. sean: how close to that? it is a five-sided building it was not the next one but the one over. sean: were you pretty close. yeah, i got down the hall and the smoke was so bad. the place was burning. we went down stairs and went outside. i ran into a lt. colonel who told me he had seen the plane hit the building. that clarified that. i looked out and here were these small pieces of metal, parts of the aircraft all over the lawn, the apron around the building. there were not a lot of people there at that . the first responders hadn t arrived. people were coming out of the building burned and hurt and wounded and being taken out. i stayed there for a few minutes and attempted to help. then realized that first the people were coming and they didn t need me there. and i went back to my office and began the process of thinking through and talking to the president and the vice president. sean: as you look at this administration, they had a hard time acknowledging war on terror, apologizing for america. and we saw this most reason deal on the debt limit and automatic cuts, big portion of which will come out of defense. it must not happen. sean: i don t have a lot of faith in this super committee, that they are going to come to a consensus to cut washington spending. i don t think they have the moral courage seemingly to do so. so it seems the automatic cuts will come. what does that mean for our country s security in the long run? i think there is more coming. i pray i m wrong. i pray that i m wrong. but i think we are letting our guard down again. we ve done it four, five times in my adult lifetime. i m 79-years-old. sean: you don t look a day over 60. we did it after korea, vietnam, at the end of the cold war. just said it is the end of history we can live in this world and not worry about the dangers and the risks. and it is not true. the weapons today are so lethal, so dangerous, that we have to recognize that weakness is provocative. we can t provoke people into trying those things. sean: i know it doesn t bother you but i have to ask any way. you became, as this war on terror began, a different war than we ve ever fought. you became a very controversial central figure. you even offered to resign a couple of times you describe it in your book. the president wouldn t accept your resignation. it happened after the 2006 election. i guess the question is, we get guantanamo, enhanced interrogations, black sites, rendition, all of these issues that came up patriot act. sean: patriot act another one. as you look back on every decision, on every new thing we future place, any re s any regrets or do you think more strongly today these are the right decisions? i think they were tough decisions and i think the president made the right decisions. and the fact that the same structures exist today in an administration that campaigned against every single one of them and yet they are still there. why? not because it is anyone s first choice. but because we live in a world that is dangerous. and these structures have protected the american people. and the bush administration, president job deserves a lot of credit for it. sean: so do you. mr. secretary thank you for being with us. one man s crusade to honor all of the first reponders who lost their lives during attacks on 9/11. he s doing it one brush stroke at a time. we ll explain, next. kevin are you sure this is okay? in the distance: hey, yall! run! go! i was just going to ask what they were biting on. now s the time to save big during the fall hunting classic sale at basspro.com. check this out. boo-yah! shazam! h2.o! hydrolicious! magic bananas! it s our first one-click faucet filter that removes 99% of lead and microbial cysts. adios contaminos! the crib is already there. great. thank you so much. [ male announcer ] we provide great service, so you can stay you. holiday inn express. stay you. [ tv announcer ] today s trivia question what s the hardest play in baseball? the unassisted triple play. the unassisted triple play. [ male announcer ] stay smart and book smart. book early and save up to 20% at any holiday inn express. stay you. sean: everyone has a hero in his or her life. like the first reponders who lost their lives saving others on 9/11. with the 10th anniversary a few days away, we found a special foundation called hero portraits that honors the fallen by depicting them in works of art and presenting them to the families. [ bagpipes ] we are gathered today on this occasion to honor the 15 firefighters from this station who died on september 11th, 2001. to commemorate that event, the artist darryl lynn has presented us with a group painting of the firefighters from engine 54 ladder 4, battalion 9. we thank him, friends of the families, local offs, the media, local officials, the media, other supporters and surviving firefighters of this station who are here today. we were thrilled to have the families involved, the children involved. that was such a special part of the presentation. many of the families didn t know we had a portrait of their hero. i think that was special. and we are hearing from so many of them as we do around the country when we ship these. they can see the soul of their hero in the eyes of the portrait. that s what we are trying to achieve in every one. beautiful, like he s here today. it is so real to see his picture like that it is so hard, i m sorry. nice to be here to see the other families. we all know we are going to the same thing. beautiful. it is hard. it doesn t get easier, 10 years later. i m sure whenever i look at those photographs, every time i come to work, it brings a strong reaction to me. makes me remember those guys. and what they did for me and the city of new york. if we can give just a little bit of healing and comfort, where they can look at it everyday and have a smile on their face, that s why we are doing it, no other reason. sean: joining us the man himself who helped organize this organization with his wife, darryl, thank you for being with us. first, you are halfway there in terms of the number of portraits you are going to do? we are approaching 250 of the 403 first responders. sean: explain how you and your wife came up with this idea? we started 2 1/2 years ago to honor heroes in the armed forces then we went to fire and police. we were here doing a project at engine 54. as we were driving home on the 12th, after presenting 12 portraits to family members there that day we were so moved, having spent a machine at engine 54 working with them on that a month at engine 54 working with them on that project. on the drive back to tennessee, i started getting in my mind we need to do them all, present this to every family that need we decide we decided this is what our calling is. and use what we ve done in our life to give back. our total focus has shifted to hero portraits. we donate portraits across the country. this year is focused on 9/11. in addition to the portraits i kept invisioning a memorial of faces. not photographs, but the portraits that we do which are so three dement three mentional and powerful. we took photographs and worked on it and had a rendering done and started the process. sean: families never forget they wake up everyday they don t have their brothers, husbands, dads, their moms that they lost. they still wake up everyday and they still with this trauma. this is an incredible thing that you are doing. i want to give you it is very inspirational. your brother was named jimmy lynch, james lynch, tell us about him. he was a port authority police officer for going on 23 years. he was his post was the world trade center for about the last eight years of his career. prior to that, he was at other posts and he received a group medal of val already for his response to the first bombing at the valor for his response to the first at the world trade center. sean: you have not seen the portrait of your brother yet? no. sean stkarpbl, you sent the pick tour him? yes. okay. it is great. sean: wow i am. that is that is amazing. it is an incredible job. thank you. you re very welcome. sean: we are also honored to have with us. we have sharry and your son michael now 17 and kyle 12 kiley. sean: i m sorry kiley 12. your husband was john florio. tell us about your husband. he was a he was a firefighter for 12 years. he loved his job. he would never do anything else. he died doing what he loved to do. sean: were you 7-years-old that s a tough time for a young man to lose his dad. it was hard. sean: are you ready darryl. first, here s the picture. sean: wow. they can pan in on that. amazing. darryl this is fantastic work. god s speed in what you and your wife are doing. it is an honor to meet you. thank you. guys thank you, i m so sorry ab