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state better than anybody. it is a retail state and you have to spend a lot of time there. jeb will spend time there, as will several members of his family. >> it's a long process, to your point. hopefully, we'll get you back on the road soon. >> thank you. appreciate it. the guy who is helping him is next. lilly baker is preparing for college. she'll use that education to get a job. she'll use that job to buy a home. this is lilly baker. her mom just refinanced their home and is putting an extra $312 a month toward lilly's tuition. lilly is about to take over the world. who's with her? buy in. quickenloans/home buy. refi. power.
>> it will be free to me, the student. >> it's not free to the student, no. hillary clinton does not give away free college. >> it's not the kind of college plan that anybody watching this show had to >> want to graduate with $100,000 worth of debt they'll never be able to pay back and 8 million of them are defaulting already. >> i don't want so see them graduating with the sort of degrees that they can't get a job to pay back any of the debt. >> that's actual lit the opposite point mark cuban made. he said fewer are getting the liberal arts degrees they need which will be the death of the liberal arts college which is important to our future. not everybody can be an s.t.e.m. student. there are other things people can bring to the workforce. >> this next century will be the knowledge economy. let's face it. people got to have the right skills. even if you think someone else is palg for it don't make the wrong choice. we know this won't work. jessica we'll have you back real soon. scott walker and marco rubio
you go into a whole commercial for job. you drop lines like responsible, in it to win it, that first debate he felt like milk toast to me. he had no fire. yet these might be red meat issues in your mind but this is red meat that the american public is clamoring for and both sides of the aisle, by the way. >> again, i think at the end of the day, things will happen like they happened before. and his leadership qualities to be president. so i'm not concerned about where jeb is in the polls today. that's pretty normal. and if you look at history other people have been ahead in the polls at this stage and they don't have the infrastructure you also need to win. this is a national campaign you have to run here.
we're not intimidated. >> reporter: he would replace obama care with a variety of popular gop alternatives. tax credits for private health insurance. black aiding medicaid back to the states. allowing people to shop for insurance across state lines and save money. he would pay for it with medicaid savings, insurance tax reform and by eliminating trillions of dollars in taxes. louisiana governor bobby jindal trashed walker's plan today saying it embraces cradle to grave government held care coverage by tying it to medicare age instead of income. marco rubio, meanwhile, laid out his health care priorities in a "wall street journal" yesterday. he was at the iowa state fair today where it was raining and it shortened his appearance. >> we have to repeal and replace the health care law. we have to repeal it and replace it -- >> reporter: the problem for republicans is that they've tried more than 50 times to repeal the aford about care act in congress and had majorities in both houses at times and have been unable to do so.
>> granny off the cliff kind of thing? >> oh, yes. the democrats have already eviscerated medicare. they took the money out of medicare, robbing grandmother spread the wealth. they've imposed a bundling measure thawill make it so hard to get hips and knee replacements. they're pushing this end of life counselling so that seniors will end their lives early. they're even awarding bonus points to the hospitals that spend the least per senior. >> what about this criticism of walker by jindal? is there some validity to that? >> i don't think so. i thought walker's plan was very sound. >> what is it about his plan that is so distinctive than rubio's? >> there are very few differences between walker and rubio except that walker offers the tax break regardless of your income. and that's fair in a way because people who don't get their on the job coverage ought to be able to pay for it with pre-tax dollars, right? and on the other hand, rubio goes after this third rail of politics, changing medicare, which may invite prematurely a
they hope with a republican president it will become more politically possible in 2017, charles. >> carl cameron, thank you very much. now we want deeper look into both plans. to betsy mccoin, no one does it better than you. you carve through these things. >> i have looked at most of the gop plans, even ones that haven't been announced yet. let me make it clear they all give tax breaks to people who don't get on the job coverage. they all free you from that one size fits all uncle sam designed plan. they all let you buy across state lines or not buy a plan at all. and they all protect people with pre-existing conditions through state high risk pools. so all of them offer those very important safeguards. kudos to washing for raising the issue of hillary clinton's health plan. because people forget it was so much more coercive than obama care. obama care is luring you with the fares and tv ads and minor