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mathis, the founder of p.e.e.r. and dog chapman. joining us now deborah tate. her sister, sharon tate, who i had the honor of interviewing, was murdered by the manson family. and pat brown, the criminal profiler and author of "the profil profiler: my life hunting serial killers and psychopaths. deborah, you're a victim, family victim of crime. how do you approach this whole system of rehabilitation? >> well, actually, larry, it's a surprise to most people, but i do believe in rehabilitation. there are sociopaths and psychopaths that need to stay behind bars forever, but there are a lot of people that don't fall into that category and we definitely need to set in place the ability to rehabilitate. >> larry: i interviewed her once
rehabilitation here, dog. you're here to be punished. and you're going to work. and for 18 months i was punished. >> larry: judge, what do you make of that? because they say punishment in and of itself doesn't work. dog says in his case, it worked. >> well, fear when punishment is involved certainly is a deterrent. but being convicted and sentenced should achieve three things. one, deterrence from crime in the future. two, punishment, and thirdly, rehabilitation, because if they come back out without rehabilitation, they're going to victimize us again. they're going to go right back into prison where taxpayers are going to continue to pay for their houses. >> larry: so dog is not atypical. >> no, he is not. >> larry: felicia, what about you? you did six years. is there any way prison helped you? >> yeah, it helped me in a lot of ways. it helped me to humble myself. i had a bad attitude when i was younger. you know, i used to think, you
for first-degree murder. dog, you are certainly proof you can turn a life around. did prison help you in any way? >> yes, sir. hi, larry. prison helped me all the way. i mean, i did not like it back in the '70s. texas was the only self-sufficient prison. that meant we had to raise our food, get up in the morning and work. and it was terrible. i did not want -- there was no crime that was fun enough to equal the punishment of prison. there just wasn't any. so yes -- >> larry: so the system itself rehabilitated you? >> the system itself rehabilitated me, because i hated -- you know, when i hit the texas penitentiary, i was 22 years old, and the first thing they told me is there's no rehabilitation here, dog. you're here to be punished. and you're going to work. and for 18 months i was punished. >> larry: judge, what do you make of that? because they say punishment in and of itself doesn't work.
in a while how you can help and get involved. duane "dog" chapman and felicia "snoop" pearson is with us. snoop, you killed somebody. how do you ever get over that? >> that's something i have to live with each and every day of my life. as long as god forgive me, you know, there's nothing else more that i can say. but i can help change a few minds that was just like mine, when i was younger. you know? i don't know, larry. i just take it one day at a time, man. >> larry: you sure did. judge, do you ever deal with prisoners who were murderers? >> yes, i try to inspire them to change their lives while they're inside. and if they are going to be released in the future, i try and change their mindset for their release. but my focus isn't on murderers. there are a lot less heinous
psychological or mental illness, they certainly should not be released back into society. but one of the things i want to make an observation is about is that going into prison has a real affect on leaving. in other words, when you go in and you're less educated, 80% have no ged or high school diploma, there were no jobs in your community, full of poverty, drugs and despair. you go in, you get no training, no education. you come back out sicker and slicker than you were before you went in and victimize the community the same way. >> duane, you agree? >> i like that. thicker and slicker. i, of course, was there. i met a kid didn't do hardly anything. when i left, he said, dog, i'll take it from here. instead of learning how to shoot the lock off, you learn thousand pick it. it's a training field for felons. >> you have seen the worse at san quentin. that's true? they come out smarter criminals?
streets? >> come back out slicker than you were before you went in. >> the system itself rehabilitated me. >> larry: dwyane "dog" chapman was locked behind bars before the system helped them. >> i think i'm a pretty good taxpayer myself. >> larry: their message -- save lives on the inside, will help on the outside. not everyone is cheering, though. the debate over prison reform next on "larry king live." we begin with judge greg mathis. he's host of "the judge mathis show." he's a retired district court judge. he's launched a prisoner program called p.e.e.r. which encourages inmates to change their lives. how did this start?
within three years. the fact is the only way out is an education. >> larry: judge mathis' program is p.e.e.r., and we'll find out in a while how you can help and get involved. duane "dog" chapman and felicia "snoop" pearson is with us. snoop, you killed somebody, how do you ever get over that? >> that's something i have to live with each and every day of my life. as long as god forgive me, you know, there's nothing else more that i can say. if i can help change a few minds that's just like mine when i was younger. you know, so i don't know. i don't know, larry. i just take it one day at a time, man. >> larry: you sure did. judge, do you ever deal with prisoners who were murderers? >> yes, i try to inspire them to change their lives while they're inside. and if they are going to be released in the future, i try
i, of course, was there. i met a kid didn't do hardly anything. when i left, he said, dog, i'll take it from here. instead of learning how to shoot the lock off, you learn how to pick it. it's a training field for felons. >> larry: ver nell -- vernell, you agree with that, they come out smarter criminals? >> i think that it depends what you do with them while inside. that's why i say you'll find research has clearly identified that when you are exposing them to a cognitive behavioral model that you're going to find that you change the way they think about themselves, their personal and community experiences. i think judge mathis struck the nail on the head. that is what our society has created is, we've created these environments within our larger cities, and now it's spread to our suburbs where we are raising people up in a dysfunctional community. they have no jobs. where are all the liquor stores in these depressed communities. so therefore, these people
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