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problem, and most people show up for trial, jim, because there is huge hassle more than anything else, but penalties for not showing up to trial. number one, now you have federal marshalls on your tail, and yes, it has taken some time, but they will find these people, and this is how it is of the federal marshalls, and then they can be charged with another crime of not showing up for their trial, and so it is a human impulse to avoid going to prison. they are not pleasant places, but avoiding and running actually makes things much, much, much worse. >> the fact that her brother, eliot, was on the run here, and if you were the prosecutor here, would that have changed anything for monitoring, and would that have raised your concerns about ankle monitoring? >> yes, there are folks who are kicking themselves for agreeing
charge with crimes. but beyond that, there may be political factors. but, no, the simple fact is, do you think you can win? that's what drives the day as a prosecutor. >> eliot williams, a lot of head shaking through this one. appreciate you working through it. >> sorry! >> he was trying to be as professional as he could. tell us how you really feel during the commercial break, eliot! well, a first for virginia. cnn projects that virginia's state senator jennifer mcclellon will win. >> that makes her the first black woman to represent the commonwealth in congress. cnn's jeff zeleny is following this one for us. what more are we hearing from mcclellon today? >> this certainly does not change the balance of power in congress, but it is a big mark of history for the former capital of the confederacy. that's where mcclellan represents. she's been in the house of delegates, initially she was
this is about phone calls. of course, we heard the call between trump and the secretary of state, brad raffensperger, where trump asks for the 11,780 votes, just find them. here's what she said about other calls. >> i can tell you i heard other phone calls. i don't think i could name all of them right now if i wanted to. after 75 witnesses in 8 months, it gets hard to keep all of your bits straight. >> other calls that donald trump was on? >> yes. i'm positive i have heard the president on the phone more than once. >> she wouldn't go into more specifics -- i see you shaking your head, eliot. she's just kind of talking here about some of the evidence, but there could be some more compelling sound out there. >> sure, but here's the problem that is created with a statement like that, victor. the entire fulton county georgia could potentially be -- anybody in fulton county who's sort of over the age of 18 can be a potential juror in this trial. they're hearing now evidence that's going to be presented before them at trial.
even be communicating with each other because of how different the two investigations are. but, you know, you're right with that question, bianna. by cooperating and by being more forthcoming they'll make their lives easier on themselves in a way that the former president trump has not. >> so these documents for biden's time came when he was vice president. that's what we know thus far and the doj has spoken to his former execute assistant. who else do you think they'll likely speak with at this point? could you see a scenario where they speak with the president himself? >> i would -- >> i'm sorry, elliot then abby will jump in. >> i'm sure eliot has thoughts about that too. i think do that at this point the president and really anybody who had involvement in the white house at that time in packing those boxes, getting them out of the white house, we know that they went to a storage facility before they were then
in danger. we've seen in the movies where they run in and grab the president like a football and run out with him. dick chain nay is talking about that. he could have technically overruled them. noek ever does that. what does that say about this person and what other things we will learn about the interactions with the secret service that will shine light on his state of mind and what he was thinking and what he was doing on that day. >> terrence, you say this million pages of documents that they have from the secret service could be a smoking service for this investigation. explain how? >> they have a tremendous job to do. they have to bring us up to date as to what we've learned over the past months and then tie in this new evidence that will give pretty plain, as eliot mentioned, pretty plain indication of who was doing wrong, who was derelict in their duty, who had a duty to intervene and did not. that needs to be spelled out to
the rest of us can make a decision. >> well, they can refer this to the doj. do you think ultimately, eliot, they will? >> it sounds like they're probably going to. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. the justice department doesn't have to follow any recommendation from congress. at a certain point, they've clearly been building toward that. it would be hard to see why they didn't. tieing together the point, william barr testified that he thought the former president was delusional. at any other moment in american history, that moment would have been seismic. to your point, kirsten, we're inundated with a flood of news that the public is so used to this, but it's madness. >> bianna, i think -- i'm sorry. i think it does matter. i think it does matter that these people, this committee who has heard from so many people of involvement in this thing, it
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protecting witnesses and, of course, obstruction of justice. it's not some legal words only. it means, if there could be some sort of tampering, it could harm that investigation going forward. that is a chief concern the judge is going to be looking at, and the justice department is going to want to keep a lot of things secret here. abby. >> thank you so much for that, katelyn polantz. hear to share reporting and insides is nia-malika henderson and from the wash post, and former federal prosecutor elliot williams who now lives on this set with us. eliot, i will start with you. the question this week is what does the justice department want to keep secret which is probably everything. what will they allow to be left unredacted? before you jump in, i do want to play andrew mccabe's take on all of this. this is former fbi deputy director, so he knows a bit
elie honig, kara scannell and also with us jessica roth as well as greg eery with the fbi for more than 20 years around currently the vice president of law enforcement and analysis at the anti-defamation league. i do want to start with you, eliot. these documents that we may or may not see at 3:00 p.m. or close to 3:00 p.m., what might they show? what might they not show? >> okay. so we're not going to learn everything today. i don't think they're going to be dispositive one way or another where you can look at those documents and say conclusively, a ha donald trump was right. a ha doj is right. we're not going to see the affidavit, the long narrative that prosecutors put together, here is our evidence, that is the probable cause. donald trump does not have that. the three things that we are going to potentially learn today are this, first of all, how did the fbi and doj describe the
Michael Chick, a 39-year-old New Hampshire school bus operator from Eliot, Maine, is accused of threatening a child attending the Greenland Central School