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>> just what i said. you were graceful. you were confident. you're going to be a very fine king. >> i don't know what to say. >> your father would be very proud. >> i'm not so certain about that. >> if i were your father, i'd be proud. >> wow. bill murray playing the charming fdr, laying it on the king of england. what did you make -- i haven't seen that movie yet. what did you make of it? >> it's a strange kind of movie, very shapeless. but there's something very interesting going on now, as you learn more about the lives of great men, you learn that sexually, they were more twisted than even bill clinton could conceive of on his kinkier days. to think that so much was going on behind the scenes of fdr, from his polio, you know, from the fact that the country was
you see, there it is. even in that 2,000-year-old book of mechanical law, it is a self evident truth that things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other. >> what do you think, david, of that movie? as a movie and then also as history. just educational to americans. >> well, it's fascinating, isn't it? it's like an epic inside baseball movie because it doesn't take the piece of lincoln's life that we're most familiar with. instead, the civil war is almost done. and here is a man who is weighing how to translate this horrible, horrible war and the emancipation pom proclamation, freeing the slaves and how to turn it into policy, government policy, to say that all things are equal under the law. so you watch this movie and it naks y makes you think lincoln wasn't just some guy who sat on a pedestal.
senate position that's open. he proves that he is just a consummate showman in this movie. everything about this movie is real. absolutely real. fetishistically real, except for the clie mamax which is straight of a hollywood cliff hanger from the 1920s. but it's a treficily entertaining movie. and it shows you how much we didn't know way back when. >> i know, i remember as a side story, what a great role the canadian ambassador played. it looked like him. anyway, now back to politics and bull murray's portrayal of f.d.r. and his relationship, i never knew about it, with his cousin daisy while welcoming in king and queen of england before world war ii. let's watch a bit of it. park on hudson." let's watch a bit of it. >> you were unfortunately tonight, young man. >> what do you mean?
preten pretending to be producing a hollywood movie. >> you've got six people highing out in a town. you want to set up a movie in a week. you want to lie to hollywood, a town where everybody lies for a living, and theb ythen you're going to sneak a 007 and then you're going going to walk the bradybunch out of the most watched city in the world. >> that's right. >> right. look, i've got to tell you. we did suicide missions in the army that had better odds than this. >> what did you think? i was at a movie theater in washington and everybody cheered like mad at a movie when that was over. >> oh, i know. i think it's a hustle of genius. i think ben should take that
bigelow and the screenwriter say they're not taking a position. there's no question in my mind that mark ball drank the kool-aid given to him by his cia sources and really believes that one of the key links in the chain that led us to osama bin laden was obtained through torture. that's what happens in the movie. i don't know if it was right. i wasn't there. nobody knows if it was right, except those people high up in the cia. but let's agree that this is what the movie is saying. the movie might not like it. they might say, it's ugly as hell, this torture thing is just terrible. they might deromanticize the violence in the movie. they might show you -- >> how will that affect the awards? will it help or hurt them get an academy awards? it seems like the neocon right-wingers might say, yeah, that's how you win these awards. how's it going to affect the politics of winning an academy
award? because i think she's up for it. >> i think it would put the kibosh on it, frankly. because i do think that's how people lean out there. and you have a much more liberal choice in "lincoln," if you will. the tony kushner certified choice. >> you're right, kushner's going to help. >> i'm very ambivalent about this movie myself. i'm very wishy-washy about it. on one hand, i think it's the most phenomenally made movie of the year. i think it's a great piece of filmmaking. on the other hand, i think it's amoral. i have strong questions about the use of the information. >> we're about to disagree, though. i think "les mis," i saw it last night? your view? >> it's a monster, it's a monster hit. it's an absolute monster. you know in "alien" those face huggers, that sort of impregnate you through the mouth. that's how i felt after i saw "les mis." there's a movie that's so in your face for three hours. when it's over, there's no question why i was applauding,
but everybody, this is -- whatever we come up with, this is going to be imperfect. and some people aren't going to like it. some people will like it less. but that's where we are. and i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can and that was made very clear in the white house. we're going to do the best we kp for the caucuses that we have and the country that's waiting for us to make a deposition exhibit. >> clarence, you've seen this movie before. it sounds like something is in the works here, huh? >> yeah, something is in the works at least on the senate side. on the house side, we still don't know about those hard core intransigents and even if the senate does come up with something, if the house can agree to go along with it, if as kristen said, you've got to have all of the democrat and 30 republicans. there's only about six who come. the rest don't seem to lose any
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>> you were wonderful tonight, young man. >> what do you mean? >> just what i said. you were graceful. you were confident. you're going to be a very fine king. >> i don't know what to say. >> your father would be very proud. >> i'm not so certain about that. >> if i were your father, i'd be proud. >> well, bill murray playing the charming f.d.r, laying it on the king of england. what did you make -- i will definitely see it. >> it's a strange little movie. it's kind of shapeless. but there is something very interesting going on now. learning as you learn more about the lives of great men. you learn that sexually, they were more twisted than even bill clinton could conceive of on his
here's ben affleck in 1980 by pretending to be producing a hollywood movie. >> you've got six people highing out in a town. you want to set up a movie in a week. you want to lie to hollywood, a town where everybody lies for a living, and then you're going to sneak a 007 and then you're going to walk the brady bunch out of the most watched city in the world. >> that's right. >> right. look, i've got to tell you. we did suicide missions in the army that had better odds than this. >> what did you think? i was at a movie theater in washington and everybody cheered like mad at a movie when that was over. >> oh, i know.