so what have you learned? reporter: well, anderson, u.s. officials tell cnn that last year the u.s. intelligence used a dossier as part of a justification to get a warrant to secretly monitor carl as one of the sources of information that the bureau has used to defend or to support its investigation. this includes approval from the secret court that oversees the foreign intelligence surveillance act known as fisa, to monitor page s communications. the fbi and the justice department would have had to present probable cause that he was acting as an agent of a foreign power, mobile engaging in foreign intelligence gathering for a foreign government. comey and other fbi officials would have had to sign off on russian spies. pai page denies he knew these were russian agents. page says he took a trip independently, that he expressed his own views and overall, he has disputed anything was illegal in his interactions with the russians. he sent us a statement that reads in part, i look forward to the privacy act lawsuit that i plan to file in response to the civil rights violations by obama administration appointees last year. the discovery process will be of great value to the united states as our nation hears testimony from them under oath and we zee disclosure of the documents. pa should also point out carter page when i interviewed him said he did get permission from the trump campaign, he didn t mention who he got permission from to travel to moscow and give that speech and he also met with several people. joining us to talk about it is our panel. philadelph phil, let s start with you, you ve been with the fbi, you ve been with the fisa courts, what did the fbi have on trump besides this dossier? i don t think this takes us a great deal forward, if you re going to go to a fisa court, that judge is going to you re going to go in with intercepts, directly from the russians with the national security agency would have picked up. you might have even sources, i want someone who i can identify who s directly in contact with you. if you contrast that with what we have here, a former british officer has an informant in moscow, maybe with a sub informant, passing that information up to the fbi, that s a game of phone that goes three or four links down the chain, the court is not going to look at that and the department of justice would not look at that as an important source of information in this case. what it means is that the fbi had a number of things they could present to the judge, this unverified dossier was a minor part of it perhaps. knowing what we know about the fisa court and how, any judge, these are serious judges that push back pretty hard when you come to them with a warrant. it suggests to me they either had corroborating information from that information in the dossier, or they had something that lent it credence. and phil you agree with that? absolutely. if you ve got a department of justice attorney, he s got a reputation for years in the fisa court. he doesn t want to have the judge to say get out of here and then go in tomorrow a. we do know from other reporting that the fbi has looked into the allegations in that dossier and did confirm some stuff and not other stuff. maybe that was part of that process. in order to obtain a fisa warrant in the first place, the fbi would have had to present probable cause that carter page was participating in intelligence gathering for a foreign government, right? the fisa court rarely turns down his applications, it s less than 1%. it s not probable cause like we state in the constitution, the fourth amendment of probable cause of a crime, it s probable cause that you could be a foreign agent. it s a standard that s easy to meet. i certainly agree that this would not do that. this is a city quite frankly that is awash in russian money, there s so much russian money on capitol hill with both democratic and republican operatives and surprising the ruble isn t accepted at mcdonald s. there s a lot of russian and chinese money in this city. so when i read in report, it doesn t distinguish him in terms of potential criminal conduct, was he an agent of russia or was he perhaps a convenient conduit to the trump campaign. these are questions that are not answered by this evidence. your point is a good one, is there still a live torpedo in the water that s not in this dossier. it is interesting that part of the problem for the trump administration is donald trump himself did say carter page was one of his five national security advisors early on at a time when he was under pressure to name somebody. you would think if there had actually been some vetting, maybe they would have rethought naming him, but clearly, it points to just the kind of, i don t know if chaos is the right word that was in the transition team at the time, they were just desperate. if you remember, most of the national security community came out against him and wrote a letter saying that they, you know, not only were they not endorsing him, they were coming out to oppose him, so he had this hodgepodge of a few people, and it s unclear how instrumental they really were to the campaign. the trump campaign says he wasn t that instrumental, he was a volunteer, he wasn t someone who was actually paid on the campaign. but the thing about the dossier, the only part of the dossier that s relevant would be the allegation that he was there on behalf of the trump administration, having conversations, quid pro quo conversations about sanctions and business opportunities. so if it s brought up in any context, does it suggest that the court bought that? it suggests to me, as anderson was saying earlier, that the fbi had something before hand that led director comey, after the embarrassment of the admission on hillary clinton, to come out again, as the fbi never does, and say they had a case open. they had their own independent investigation, and came out and said maybe there s a bit or two here, but it was not the primary source. but it may not have been the primary source, but assuming they included it in the fisa package. if carter page, we know according to carter page, he says the trump campaign cleared it for him to go to moscow, it was very possible that page was bragging in moscow, saying he had been in meetings with donald trump, he was using the russian term for the word meeting, and the rally that thousands of people were in that we all saw on television. but he never actually met with the president. but isn t this just a case of a guy who was in the campaign, but he wasn t essential, just kind of bragging in moscow about his connections to the campaign? you know, i don t think it does. and let me a name that occurred to me tonight, and of course the other side of the story is that you ve got people on the republican side saying that the obama administration was spying on the trump campaign. believe it or not, the name that flashed into my head tonight was james mccord, and for those who don t remember the name, james mccord was one of the original watergate burglars, after his conviction, he was a minor figure as it were. he sent a letter to the judge saying he was pressured to do a, b, and c and it eventually led to the resignation of president nixon. in this case, carter page is coming forward with a lawsuit which he has said tonight he s going to definitely pursue, if you think as a number of republicans do, that there is a conspiracy, was a conspiracy of the obama administration to look into this part of carter page s lawsuit is that he is claiming hate crimes against him saying that the hillary clinton campaign was against him because he was a man. we don t know if he has attorneys or can afford attorneys. i grant you all that, i m saying that once you start that actually, that s not much of a threat, when i read that statement, he s going to run smack dab into military and state secrets privilege, i ve litigated that painfully over the years. it s not like a civil case where you can go into discovery and find out who said what to who in an office. all of this is coming out of the most secret court, in some of the most classified areas of the governments, he s going to hit the state secrets privilege. he s going to find it very hard to get information. one of the things interesting about carter page is that he is desperately now trying to reposition himself as a victim, as a traitor, not as someone who s committing treason doing bizarre stuff, but he s a hero of american privacy, he s somehow going to go out here and expose all these terrible things that have happened. the problem is that this particular move makes no sense. if in fact the obama administration was going to spy on these people, shouldn t they have said something before the election? the part of the story that they continue to spin that makes no sense is, why would the obama administration go to all this trouble to spy on this campaign, to violate their privacy, do all these terrible things and then just say nothing until donald trump won? the whole thing is bizarre. the independent commission, let s get to the bottom of it. to wax tom cruise, i want the truth. i can handle the truth. where do you see this going? look, jeffrey has a good point about an independent commission which could get this all out on the table and i think the senate and house are going to go their best to get some of these facts. those who don t want an independent commission say it just takes too long, you got to get people clear, you got to get them read up, this is going to take months to go through. i just read an article in new yorker.com that the three witnesses on the democratic witness list that s been agreed to with the republicans in theory at least, carter page, roger stone and paul manafort, so we are going to hear from carter page susan rice? what i reported is all names on the republican list are obama officials, all the names on the democratic list are trump campaign officials who are related to the russian hacking campaign. so the rudemocrats want to investigate putin s intelligence service, the republicans want to investigate obama s intelligence service. we ll bring you the latest up to date in just a moment. also how a carrier battle group which was meant to sent a message to north korea, instead wound up heading south, literally heading south. details ahead. 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let me assure you, anderson, even if jon ossoff wins he s not going to win by 70%. so that number is going to go down. this district has portions of three counties that touch it. this is just the early and absentee vote from dekalb can, a big democratic county overall, we would expect knowing that the democrat reporting did quite well in the early vote, it actually is one of the things that started giving republicans pause and concern about this race. we expected him to have this early lead. i would not read much more into it than that. his number is going to come down, it is likely that the republicans did a bit better perhaps on election day voting. we ll see as the night goes on as more numbers come in. we talked about this yesterday, newt gingrich held this district for 30 years, trump won it by 1 percentage point. this is a district that republicans salivate over, because they think this is precisely the kind of distribute they can flip in 2018 and maybe take back control of the house. and you look at this district that david was talking about, it s more diverse, it s higher educated, it s wealthier, and it s younger. and all of those things put together are a nice target for the democrats. i mean having said that, they have a young, inexperienced and unexciting candidate here, but who s got 8 million $8 million million of mostly outside money behind him because they also know how symbolic this would be, of course if they were to win. it does say a lot about the fact that president trump has taken a personal interest in the election, just tonight he tweeted, just learned that jon ossoff doesn t even live in the district, republicans get out and vote. he s also aware of how a loss could work. he probably just learned that since the national congressional campaign committee have been pushing that back for a long time. but you are right, it look like donald trump is placing a bet here that oss orks oroff is goi come just below and he can come out and say, hey, republicans, i helped keep him under 50%, let s go to the runoff now, i can help you win that as well. no one has to tell donald trump that this is really about him. and he believes it s about him and in many ways it is about him. because this is high profile, it s a district that he really won by just 1%. hillary clinton won in that district, it was the first time a democrat won that district since jimmy carter. so, you know, i do think that he understands that everybody s going to extrapolate here. he does, but i think also, jon ossoff the democrat, as much as he has raised money like you said on that democratic fervor, on that democratic energy, he s campaigning heavily because it s a heavily republican district. he s careful not to do all frump bashing, some of his advertising definitely geared toward trump bashing to make his base enthusiastic. but much of it is about cut wasteful spending, get government working again, a message that has nothing to do with donald trump. and the hss secretary who they re trying to replace won by 62% of the vote. he s got to walk a really fine line here as do the republican candidate. do we have a sense of when we might know the results here? 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whether it was miscommunication, or intentional misleading, what is the administration saying? reporter: let s look at the bottom line here, the u.s. navy always knows every day where all it s aircraft carriers are, right? so they had announced that this carrier group was going to head north. the implications standing in the air from both the white house and the pentagon was it was going toward the korean peninsula to be a deterrent, to be a show of force, it was never going to have any offensive capability really against a north korean threat. but not so fast, the carrier stop stopped long the way, did a number of preplanned exercises with australia jn forces, was hundreds of miles away from where everybody thought it was in that show of force. does it make a difference attend of the day? it doesn t change the military calculation, but if they were trying to message north korea, perhaps that message falling a bit flat, because it s taking that carrier a while to get anywhere near there, it s expected to be there by the end of the month. anderson. it perhaps makes a potential enemy not believe when the u.s. says a message can deteriorate into something not all that factual, the president calling it an armada, when is the last time the u.s. navy called itself an armada. and the carrier, this is a president who said he didn t want to signal what his military months are. not only did he talk about a carrier, he talked about submarines going along with it. and he talked about the submarines being stronger, more powerful, if you will, than an aircraft carrier. that s an extraordinary statement in public from a president. submarines are generally covert, they engage in covert action, they are able to spy on north korea, their communications, their intelligence, really extraordinary, for a president who didn t want to signal his months, signaling them, not getting them exactly right and also putting out a covert asset like a submarine was on the way. want to talk more about this with senior military and diplomatic analyst admiral kirby? admiral kur by, how do you know or don t know this is happening? i think there s been a little bit of a misunderstanding of exactly what was said and why. the pacific command was very clear that the carrier strike group was going to move towards or near korean waters, but they never said when, and they wanted to get this exercise done with the australians, as a matter of fact they curtailed the exercise, accelerated the start date so they could move the vinson and other ships up north. they were pretty open and honest about this. i believe it was between the pentagon and the white house in terms of filling in those kinds of details, it s easy when you see something of a statement when they say we re going to send the vinson to the waters off of korea, to think that s going to happen immediately. when ships are deployed like this, there s lots of other things they need to do and they want to knock this out as quickly as possible. is it possible that the president and the press secretary did not understand what was going on? because they were talking about it. . i know they were, and frankly so was the pacific command, they put out the fact that the ship was going to those waters, i don t think it was fully understood up the chain of command what the schedule looked like, leaving singapore, heading up to australian waters. i don t know exactly where the breakdown was, but i think that was where the breakdown was, not that anyone lied or tried to mislead. not that they were not going to get into the north korean waters, just what it was going to do in between. what message do you think this sends to north korea? do you think it has an impact? i think it s certainly an embarrassment that it was ant clear cut move in rapid fashion as to what was conveyed. the bigger message is that we have a strong naval presence here and we re not afraid to exercise it and operate it where we need to. and clearly they got that message, because as you saw, they acted quickly and vigorously as to any suggestion that the carrier strike group was going to be off their coast. coming up, there s breaking news tonight that bill o reilly may be out of fox news after his latest sexual harassment claims, a source says that exit talks are under way. we ll talk about that nec. we are sikhs sikh americans we believe in equality tolerance and respect for all. because sikh values are american values. we are doctors pta moms patriots we are americans we like game of thrones im obsessed with star wars ive seen every episode of sponge bob because thats what my daughters like to watch we we are sikhs. o reilly s advances. joining me now is cnn media correspondent brian stelter, and cnn media analyst bill carter. brian, what are you learning? that there will be a board meeting on thursday, involvng the murdocks, the men who control 20th century fox. and by the end of the week, we ll know if bill o reilly is going to be back on the air or not. there s clearly a sense inside fox that this is coming to a conclusion quickly and that o reilly is unlikely to come back to his program. nothing s official until we hear it from rupert murdock or his sons. o reilly is a it s crazy that o reilly wouldn t be helming his show on fox. and that advertiser boycott, those advertisers abandoning his show, all of that adding up to a situation that s untenable for the murdocks. if it s true that o reilly is on the way out, it shows how important ad dollars are when push comes to shove. is this just about ad dollars or the atmosphere inside fox? you have fox worrying about getting access to sky tv in eveni england. i think it s extraordinary, but i think the pressure on fox has just mounted to an incredible degree, almost an unbearable degree, because even if they re to bring o reilly back, people are not going to let up. people are picketing outside the building, i don t know how they get out from under this, and another woman adding to the mix, it just goes on and on, the drip, drip of this, and they feel like they have to get out from under it. the new accusations that are being made, your client says that this occurred back in 2008? yes, she says that she was a clerical worker back in 2008, she did not work directly for bill o reilly, she worked for a different broadcaster, she said he treat ed her very, very well. she said that bill o reilly would call her hot chocolate, she s african-american, she found that very offense. he would leer at her, at her cleavage, at her legs, he would say yeah, baby. he would make comments about her after she got off the elevator. she told me about this eight days ago, we talked to three witnesses who corroborate back in 2008 she told them, she would come home from work and tell them that bill o reilly was sexually harassing her. by the end of the time she was there, she was very depressed and it was taking a toll on her. there was a hot line people could call, they could raise objections, that s the obvious question, was anything said at the time? i talked to a fox news employee today, i want to call the hot line, i don t have the number. the reason i have the hot line, is because i had another case against fox news. so we called the hot line, and again today, with my new accuser, she and i together called the fox news hot line. so i want to thank fox news for that invitation to call the hot line and i hope other women who have been harassed call the fox news hot line. you know, i want to say while i can be a little sarcastic about it, this is very, very difficult for the women. you know, i spent yesterday and today with a new accuser. she was very stressed, crying, she couldn t eat, she couldn t sleep. this is very hard on women. and that s why i m doing all of this at no charge. these two women are not asking for a penny, they re doing it because this is about accountability, enough is enough, stop hurting women, stop damaging women s career, stop inthreatening women that if they don t sleep with you that you ll end their career. this is obviously something the board is considering, what would it say about fox news, about the culture there? it would say one thing that o reilly has tremendous lawyers, he s got lawyers lined up with him tonight who are saying there s a left wing smear campaign happening trying to tear him down, those people would be fighting with fox to remove him. there s this contract, this legal language, fox believes it can if it wants to remove o reilly right away. they renewed his contract a short time ago? but that new contract has what fox says is more leverage against o reilly, an easier way to remove him now that there s new allegations against him. but fox has prided itself on not being like everything else, about not bending to pressure. his sons do not like the stain that they feel is being placed on their brand. for fox news, as brian was saying, a while ago, it would have been inconceivable that bill o reilly would not be on fox news, the amount of money that he s made for that company, the amount of time he s worked there, the ratings that he gets, but in tv, no one is in dispensable. bill o reilly is going to have a new gig, as i understand i mean we re all ultimately expendable. and i include myself in that as well. i do think fox has really had one signature star from the beginning. right. it s bill o reilly. this is really a remarkable situation to have your signature star. and i think the one thing that s maybe under appreciated here, is that the fox audience is not going to like this, they re not going to take well to this, that it looks like fox is giving in to what they think is a feminist plot or a left wing plot to get rid of their favorite broadcaster. i think they ll be a backlash of sorts. i mean fox will plug in some other star, but the audience might not like that they caved into this kind of pressure. president donald trump has been support ty of bill o reilly, saying that he doesn t think o reilly did anything wrong. my phone is ringing off the hook and we re not going to stop until we get accountability. in the latest statement that i saw from o reilly s attorney, as brian mentioned, he s making allegations that this is a left wing plot, that there s a political organization behind this. are you being funded by some left wing political organization that is out for bill o reilly? if only, anderson, my clients are not asking for a penny, i am not charging any of my o reilly accusers. i flew out here on my own nickel. and mr. o reilly s attorney is being highly paid for defending an accused serial harasser. the search is over for the man police say posted video on facebook after having killed a 74-year-old grandfather in cleveland, how the search ended next. blue moon is brewed with valencia orange peel, for a taste that shines brighter. for my constipation, i switch laxatives.ed stimulant laxatives make your body go by forcefully stimulating the nerves in your colon. miralax is different. it works with the water in your body to hydrate and soften. unblocking your system naturally. miralax. when you re close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin. do not use if you are allergic to taltz. before starting you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you are being treated for an infection or have symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. inflammatory bowel disease can happen with taltz. including worsening of symptoms. serious allergic reactions can occur. now s your chance at completely clear skin. just ask your doctor about taltz. now s your chance at completely clear skin. when this bell rings. .it starts a chain reaction. .that s heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that s the power of and. hey, bud. you need some help? 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reporter: absolutely. law enforcement want to make sure they re not missing anything. they have extra forensic evidence. they have his vehicle. they have his weapon. they re going to be interviewing people. they want to find out, for example, if anybody harbored him over the 45 hours between the time he committed murder and the time he committed suicide. i do want to mention that mr. godwin will be laid to rest this saturday. our thoughts are with his family. i talked to two of his daughters last night. they are extraordinary people. another incredible note to the story. i spoke with two of his daughters, a son-in-law who talked about what an mazing man he was. in the midst of their pain, they said they forgave the killer. watch. he taught us about god, how to fear god, how to love god and how to forgive. yes. each one of us forgive the killer, the murderer. you do? we want to wrap our arms him. we absolutely do. we don t i honestly can say right now that i hold no no animosity. in my heart against this man. extraordinary to say that. they met with the killer s former girlfriend at her request we understand today. the on the video the suspect posted on facebook, the killer made robert godwin say the name of his former girlfriend. said it was her fault that he was about to kill mr. godwin. today she met with the godwin s family, his daughter says they hugged and cried together. she told she was sorry and they told her they didn t blameler h at all. the fbi investigation into russian meddling into the election and connection to trump associates. what we learned tonight next. moms know their kids need love, encouragement and milk. with 8 grams of natural protein, and 8 other nutrients to provide balanced nutrition. moms know kids grow strong when they milk life. with all the things you ll provnever learn from a book. expedia. everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. this is the schmidt s yard. and, oh schmidt, that s a lot of dirt. but there s plenty of time for scotts outdoor cleaner plus oxiclean to work it s magic. all while being safe to use around plants and grass. guaranteed. this is a scotts yard. wenit gave me a leafput in the names almost right away. first. within a few days, i went from knowing almost nothing to holy crow, i m related to george washington. i didn t know that using ancestry would be so easy. we re topping this hour with breaking news. a special house election with potentially national impact. john ossoff, a front runner right now with 38% reporting, he is leading several rivals with 60.6% of the vote. if he finishes tonight with 50% or more, he avoids a runoff and does send a message to republicans nationally, including the president. we will update you throughout the hour and throughout the night on cnn. we also have a significant new development in the trump russia investigation. it centers on the dossier compiled by a former british intelligence officer on the subject. as you may know, cnn has not and will not be reporting on the contents of the dossier. we never have because we have yet to verify it. however, we do have new reporting that suggests the fbi
believe me, is the united states of america. tucker: the president also denied allegations he pressured to fired fbi james coming to advance in an investigation of former national security advisor michael flynn. did you urge james comey in any way, shape, or form, to back to me investigation against michael flynn? no. no. next question. tucker: donald trump is a volatile president. he s impulsive, he changes course on a dime, sometimes without claiming why. he s elusive about what he really believes that he talks and tweets about himself too much, too much for his own good or for the country s good. by the way, he s not always a great manager. the white house is actually pretty chaotic right now, but not just media spin. it s real. if you voted for tom, you already know this. you probably knew it back in november when you voted for him. but what you also knew, and what has worth remembering right now, is that there are worse things than what we currently have. so, the left badly wants to remove donald trump from office, not with votes in the next presidential election as you typically see in working democracies, but they want to remove him right now, today, using legal action or impeachment, mass protests, whatever. it doesn t really matter how it happens. by any means necessary, they often say. the left wants to do this for a number of reasons. but mostly because they used to be in power but they aren t anymore and they would much like to be so again. okay, so, let s imagine they get their way. trump goes a mayor and tried once again. what happens then? this is worth thinking about because the democratic party of right now bears almost no resemblance to the democratic party of ten years ago, much less the democratic party you grew up with. it has changed in ways that ought to worry you. the modern left is no longer an ideological movement. instead, it s an organized movement around identity politics. that s the idea that every american is a member of a subgroup, usually a racial category, and the point of achieving power is to win spoils for that group. another word for this is tribalism and it s the most divisive possible way to run a country. because it s not about ideas and based instead on immutable characteristics, identity politics is inherently unreasonable. there is no winning arguments or even having arguments. if there is only victory or defeat for the group you belong to you. your gain is my loss by definition. in the end, every group finds itself at war with every other group. it is the perfect inversion, the perfect pro version, of the american ideal. out of 1, benny. and it never ends well. we know this because it is the story of much of the rest of the world. and the left has brought here to america. once you understand this, you begin to see the futility is dealing with modern progressives as just another political faction, people you can reason with or perhaps convince. they don t want to argue. they want to win. the old rules that you are member, those mean nothing to them. the left doesn t believe american traditions are noble or worth preserving. on the contrary, anything old must be destroyed. that would include the basic institutions of our society going back to colonial times. the nuclear family, freedom of speech, traditional religious faith, the rule of law, all of these are under direct and open assaults by the left. this is not an exaggeration. they are not pretending anymore. they are saying it. indeed, the left has grown so impatient, much more than ever, that it is now unable to acknowledge the basic legitimacy of any government act they disagree with. every executive order here is an opportunity to demand massive resistance to the law itself. every expression of conservative opinion is a chance to get somebody else fired. every fake hate crime is the opportunity to demand new concessions that are granted even when the fraud is exposed. now, beneath all of us, which is the monster under the bed, as a threat of violence. at this stage, only the fringes are calling for that, but the rest of us know it s there. we can feel it. sometimes, especially recently, we can see it. and that is the end, or the beginning of it. violence is what separates politics for more. it s a point or hurt feelings become dead bodies. the point at which countries become ungovernable part of the people that can begin leaving for somewhere else. you don t want to get there. the most important thing our leaders can do is prevent that from happening yet increasingly, they are refusing to pay the kind of arguments we used to have in washington centered around tax rates are trade agreements. suddenly, that seems antique. here s what we are talking about now. watch what happened with mees two progressives were asked on this show whether they would condemn a political violence. because of his race, he was pulled from his truck and smash room had with a cinderblock until he sustained a brain damage. it was a hate crime if there ever was one. it all happen on videotape, helicopter caught it, and it happened and maxine waters city. but she did not denounce the attack preyed on the contrary, she all but endorsed the attack. that puts her outside the pale, endorsing violence, that is a line, she crossed it. i don t know if we would have our current president if that was a line. she has a right to say what she thinks. tucker: is that a legitimate tactic, to smash windows? is not effective. is it legitimate? so, it s okay? there is time when losing violence i am asking you a philosophical question. i can t answer every question when violence is appropriate or not. tucker: i can t answer whether violet is appropriate or not. okay. until they can answer yes, on hesitatingly, we are in danger. dana loesch is a radio host d a spokesman for the national rifle association and she joins us tonight. use those clips, you have been awake in america for the past nine months. do you think that the left is very different from what it was two years ago and do you think they are ready to leave the country if they succeed in eliminating the president from office? tucker, thanks for having me. it sure does feel different. it feels way differently than it used to. i get the sense this is what really troubles me. you mentioned tribalism. there are people on the left who are so try ballistic, tucker, that they are not willing to admit what is truth. they want to be right. they prioritize being right, prioritize winning an argument, over what is true and over what is correct. and we have seen mistrust in the clip that you play. we have seen this over and over. it seems as though that they take personal offense whenever you point out, this is what you are pushing, promoting, simply doesn t add up. that is a problem. we should never get to the point where we are more for a tribe then we are for truth. sadly, these individuals, they seem to be so triggered about it, to use their terms, that it does push them to the point of violence. violence is not civil discourse. violence is not reasonable discourse. it is of the last refuge of the coward. it is the last refuge of the person who cannot make their argument intellectually. and that is what we are seeing from a lot of those people, particularly on the fringe on the left. tucker: i agree. here is what i think has changed. there have always been wackos on the fringes of american politics, ready to take up arms and hurt up other people and been neighborhood rather because they are for. i get it. but what i am shocked by is that the leaders on the left haven t said anything about it. when you press them, is it acceptable to shout down a speaker, do smash store windows, to take to the streets, block traffic, those are acts of violence. they will not condemn them. that is different. no. they won t. and that is shameful. for all of the individuals and some of the people on the left, i see them on social media, tucker, i know you do come too. you talk about them on your show. i ve seen you debate them. there are individuals who say i guess we will take up arms because we didn t get our way in the election. they think that is going to be easier than going out into the street and changing hearts and minds? what a lazy response. they can t go out to vote to somewhat make them think they will be able to win some kind of conflict. it s insane. elected officials need to be able, they should, they are required, it is their responsibility to be able to control the passions of their side and say, you know what, there are better ways to go about this. instead of attacking people when they are on college campuses or attacking people in the street because you don t like the inauguration or for damaging property. they need to be more responsible for the passions, tucker, that they are inflaming. tucker: these are not partisan points. by the way, i would like to see leaders on both sides and the congress make an articulate defense of basic american values. first among them, freedom of speech. you have a right to say would you think is true. a period. there is no hedges on that. hate speak is not a legal category. that is all a y. so much a stand up for that and the right of people to do that without fear of violence. i don t hear anybody saying that. why is that? that s a great question. i hear people who are on the right side of the aisle sang it quite frequently. i know people like you say it, people like me say it. but on the left, though, tucker, maxine waters, or the people you spoke to in the clip that you played at the beginning of the segment, what is so wrong with saying that violence is unacceptable? if we see violence on our side because they always had, remember the tea party, they always have the tea party was so violent, if we were to see anything like that, what didn t happen, we would have called it out because that is not what we are about. the left needs to figure out what they are about. tucker, we are rolling towards 2018, we are rolling towards 2020. folders already told these people, the fringe, we don t buy your identity politics. we like jobs, trade, manufacturing cap. can you people please get back to the point? that is what they re based told them. they are not doing it, tucker. tucker: they don t believe it. i think that s it. if you have maxine waters, who is endorsing racial violence, which she explicitly did, after the l.a. riots, and she becomes a folk hero, that is a huge red flag i think. dana loesch, thanks a lot for joining us. it was great. i agree. tucker: special counsel robert mueller has performed less than a day of work for the congresswoman maxine waters is confident what he ll find. here s what you just said. we are going to learn a lot about the connections between this president, his allies, and the kremlin. it is going to be very revealing and i know a lot of people don t like to hear the word impeachment but i believe that it s going to lead right to impeachment. tucker: is it responsible or wise to throw out the word impeachment so confidently and casually before the facts are in? exactly candace is a former dnc former advisor. he led the trump war room and he joins us now. thanks for coming on. thank you for having me. tucker: i am playing by rules that are clearly out of date. but i thought the democrats are calling for an independent investigation because they wanted to know what the facts were. here, we have an independent investigation, run by someone whose integrity i don t think anyone is calling into question, and yet, they skipped right past the investigation are calling for impeachment. i am not calling for impeachment. other democrats i know are not calling for impeachment. there are certain individuals are calling for impeachment. i encourage you to have them on the show to talk about that. that is not where i am. where i am, we need to ensure that this investigation is allowed to go forward, this investigation is well resourced, this investigation is not interfered with and the way that these investigations have been interfered with in the past by this white house. b-1 is so, how are we going to do that? i think we have to remain vigilant. there s a lot of ways this administration can screw with us investigation, and that means cutting off resources, that it includes interference. let s remember tucker: i don t think it is. by statute, if i m mistaken, please, call into the show and set me straight if you are a lawyer fluent in this. but i think as a matter of fact, independent counsel has a budget that is not subject to the whims of the white house. it an independent counsel is different of a special prosecutors in the past. this is within the hierarchy come over the chain of command. tucker: i m aware. it s not exactly i read of the announcement yesterday. come department of justice filed a spiritual counselor not? tucker: yes. i think that is reassuring. you never want anyone with the power that an independent prosecutor has, who is totally beyond the control of anyone, that would be a dictatorship. you would never want that. the last time we had a an independent counsel or something similar that could be fired by the white house, they were, his name was archibald cox, during the watergate scandal. tucker: here s the thing. you are saying you are not for impeachment but i just can t let you skate that easily on that, considering there is a brand-new new york times piece about 20 minutes ago, pointing out that the democratic grassroots are not only for impeachment, but a number member of congress, number people running for office in off year elections, there is a national march for impeachment. maxine waters says i know that there are those that are talking about that we will get ready for the next election, mimicking her more cautious colleagues, no, we can t wait that long. we don t need to eat that long. we need to impeach. she said we don t believe in elections. i strongly encourage you to have maxine waters on. i told you what a make of it. we are not at impeachment. we are out investigation. we need to make sure it is not hindered by this white house, that we can get to the facts because the fact that we know right now are pretty damaging. tucker: here is the leader of democracy for america. we cannot have congress sit back and let this play out with trump and his stooges. congress needs to impeach trump. this is the new york times . this is a movement on the left to short-circuit the democratic process. they are saying we can t wait for the stupid election. you can cherry picks are democratic leaders but what most of us are calling for tucker: the head of democracy for america? i m a democrat and i am telling you what we are calling for is a robust investigation to get to the bottom of this. we need to protect our democracy from the intervention tucker: i am gratified to hear that you are committed to our systems. absolutely. tucker: our centuries old system. centuries old. tucker: you are think i might you want to say, your colleagues and allies won t say, word one about this investigation until it wraps up, years from now, we find of the facts. that is what you re saying? about the investigation? tucker: the one run by robert mueller? i think people can comment on it. i don t know how it is tucker: you are applying political pressure to someone. if you are yapping on television bob mueller is susceptible to political pressure in the news. tucker: what would be the poignant that you would say that he would be susceptible to pressure in the news by us democrats calling for us? that is just outrageous! tucker: no mortal man is above pressure. period. got it. tucker: there is no reason to comment on this. is there? unless you are trying to apply pressure to robert mueller or the many attorneys working for him. that is the real thing. so, why would you comment on it? until we get the facts? the issue is not commenting on investigations. the issue is calling the fbi director before you are in the oval office and telling you to knock off the investigation. that is a problem. that is interfering in the election. tucker: that is also over and we moved onto a step that you have been calling for four months. on the white house has ceded to pressure from the left, perhaps very foolishly. if you are thrilled about that, that s a bad sign. they did it. i m not the only one thrilled about it. republicans tucker: i m sure. i m just saying, you called for this and now, you are going to see your friends in the democratic party saying that it s not enough, we need to remove him from power. we can t wait for voters to decide. you can t say that s wrong? i have said repeatedly on the show that i think that impeachment is not the right move. we need to be insuring to this investigation goes through in a robust way. tucker: good. then, you know what? your within the bounds as far as i m concerned. i hope you stick to that position. i will. tucker: believe in the rule of law and democracy. zac, thanks for coming on. donald trump destroyed jeb bush by calling him low energy but now the white house is being accused of lethargy weighed on my multiple scandals. up next, charles krauthammer will be were here with my voice a trump administration get back on track fast. also, the economist magazine predicted the donald trump residency what amount to an economic and catastrophe. we ll ask forecasters what this guy is still firmly in place above our heads six months after his victory. and my impractical wardrobe changes, those all set? not even close. oh, this is probably going to shine in your eyes at the worst possible time. perfect. we re looking at a real train wreck here, am i right? wouldn t it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi® double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back with 1% when you buy, and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card. double means double. to err is human. to anticipate is lexus. experience the lexus rx with advanced safety standard. experience amazing. tucker: whether you support the president or not, it seems clear that has white house has been slow down, not immobilized, by recent advance. immigration reform on obamacare repeal have been brushed off the agenda for now, replaced by constant flareups over james comey, russia, or some of the presidents tweeting. trump is still the president and his party still controls congress for another 18 months at minimum. how can the white house get its mojo back and reclaim its freedom of action? this is a question that charles krauthammer has pondered. he is a writer, a columnist, and a psychiatrist and your favorite thinker, and he joins us now. charles, what can the white house to? if you are to give them five pieces of advice, what would it be? i think you take your playbook from bill clinton. he was tied up in the lewinsky scandal, in his case, he knows he is lying from the beginning. he keeps on lying. but he was able to keep a straight face, try to keep his nose to the business he wanted to carry out, the famous statement, i did not have sexual relations ends with i m going to go back to work. he pretended as if this thing was a distraction. he went back to work. what trump needs to do is spend less effort and time and emotional energy on this, starting with, you make an unimpeachable fbi director appointment. right now, he needs to calm the craziness. i think he actually was helped by the appointment of the special counsel. even though, in the long run, it means the white house loses control of it. in the short run, people say, there is an investigation, let s talk about health care, let s talk about tax reform. that will take care of it. it s a way to deflect. if you make a good appointment for the fbi, by good, i mean politically astute, which means somebody unimpeachable on special report, i said you need a eliot ness. that gives you a lot of points and allows you to move onto other stuff. that would be my number one. tucker: was number two? stop tweeting. that is never going to happen because i think he is hardwired, like neurologically, attached to his tweeting machine. but it would help because when you tweet, you see what you really believe and that is not always it s not usually the smartest thing in politics. tucker: [laughs] i tell the truth because it is easier to memorize. but i am not the president, a politician. tucker: [laughs] true. a gap in washington is when the politician accidentally tells the truth. they are so much emotional truth pouring out of the presidents tweeting machine that he gets in trouble. tucker: too much reality. number three, go on the foreign trip. thereby, number four code, change the narrative. he has a real opportunity. there is going to be a big deal what happens in saudi arabia. there are going to be 50 sunni arab countries there. there is going to announcement to the world of the total reversal of the obama era iran appeasement policy. we chose a radical shiite regime. we chose their favor over the sunni arabs who want to do support us and over israel, which will be stopped number two. that will be a big deal. it will allow him to announce and really exemplify a huge change in foreign policy. the last thing is, daily sessions with dr. krauthammer. tucker: [laughs] i m still licensed, board-certified, and he s the only one who could afford my rates. tucker: can you give us a sense of the range of your rates? they start let s say they start in the stratosphere. in his case, i would double that. tucker: our viewers have been getting your services for the price only of a monthly cable subscription. i know. i am truly underpaid. tucker: [laughs] last question. you think the president can follow at least the first four of these? he is making his trip. he doesn t easily compartmentalize. he doesn t have that kind of almost psychopathic ability to make distinctions, as clinton did. i think he gets sort of into anything, and it takes them ove over. i don t think he can but that is why he needs to see me. probably for an hour a day for several years. tucker: [laughs] do you have visiting hours? by appointment only. tucker: [laughs] dr. charles krauthammer. fantastic. thank you. sure. tucker: the economist magazine predicted economic clout of any of donald trump won. he did. the lights are still on. what happened? we ll talk to one of the economist expert forecasters next. computer. with this grade of protection. it s a fortress. and with this standard of luxury. it s an oasis. the 2017 e-class. it s everything you need it to be. and more. lease the e300 for $569 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. use an over pronounced washingn technique for dramatic effect. they also know you need to get your annual check-up. now prepare for your check-up with one touch using the mycigna app, where you can find a doctor in your plan s network to save money, manage your health and more. need to be thorough. erheumatoid arthritis.peoplh because there are options. like an unjection™ . xeljanz xr. a once daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don t start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you were in a region where fungal infections are common and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. needles. fine for some. but for you, one pill a day may provide symptom relief. ask your doctor about xeljanz xr. an unjection™ . .better than a manual, and my hygienist says it does. but. .they re not all the same. turns out, they re really. .different. who knew? 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nothing will give me greater pleasure than making your day. but we haven t gotten it wrong yet. tucker: [laughs] really? we are four months in a four year presidency. we will see where we end up. you are not completely wrong. we were a little bit off in some places because it hasn t gone as badly as we feared. in many ways, we avoided the worst, and we are still helping a little bit for the past. when i talk about the worst, global trade wars, trump had branded trying to the biggest currency manipulator in history. change his mind for whatever reason. and he thinks that china isn t a currency manipulator. at the same time, you still hope that he will get the tax reform through, which can provide stimulus for business. tucker: i guess what bothered me about it i think probably your macro view on this is probably right, not on trump but on trade, prosperity, et cetera. your analysis seemed to ignore the nature of the distribution of the wealth. one of the reasons trump was elected is because a small group of people got really rich during the obama years to come up with a middle-class language. you are seeing the same phenomenon across western europe. as of something that politicians need to address otherwise you will get political chaos? is something you need to factor in? that s absolutely right. inequality is a massive problem. the loss of faith in american institutions has come along side a big increase in inequality. back in 1982 in the u.s., it s the same in the u.s. the average ceo executive pay was 30 times more than your average worker. it s now about 135 times your average worker. that is a major, major problem. trump s policies are only going to make inequality a lot worse. it s pretty peculiar to see him giving tax giveaways for people who are handling over five and a half million dollars in their estates. tucker: wait a second. now, you will have rewriting history. i would agree with you that policy is inconsistent with what he ran on. but when you guys made your prediction, he wasn t saying anything like that. he wasn t saying that i will staff my white house with goldman sachs guys. he was making a pretty straight populist economic argument. and that was repugnant to you and to policymakers and elites across the globe. my question is, have you looked inside? maybe we should have paid more attention to the suffering of the metaclass then and this wouldn t have happened? obviously, we just want what is best for everyone. if you have populist policies, the reason they are called populist typically is because they sound really great but in reality they don t work at all. the reason why we are committed to free trade is because it makes good it s cheaper for everyone. the people who generally buy imported goods are those on the lower income. if you therefore put up trade barriers, push up the cost for these imported goods and those who suffer the most are those who can least afford it. we actually have that in mind when we are opposing tucker: i have heard this argument for decades, and the argument that the middle class needs more brightly colored garbage from china he is as big a threat to the world as isis. you said that in your prediction. that s not entirely true. tucker: that it is why i am bringing it up. back to the global economy. we thought he was the biggest threat to the global economy from a terrorist attack. an extraordinarily gloomy reality that terrorist attacks are a fact of life. even if you look at the brussels attacks from the stock market went up. it is a peculiar country trend. but when you look at who was going to be the most powerful man in the world, such a unique candidate, and he still is a unique president. then, you have to take that into account in terms of the global macro economic forecast. tucker: there is an internal contradiction. you guys are for markets, obviously. you believe it marketed to principals, markets are wise over the long run. but markets responded positively to the election of the guy you said would destroy the global economy. so, who is right? you are the markets? why would they do that? we are such beautiful fools. the dollar strengthened. but there was a certain amount remember, rational exuberance? we ll see how long it lasts. yesterday was a good example of a huge stock market fall for something that we had forecast. the trump presidency getting quite a lot of political chaos. that is something we are seeing snowballing over time. the stock market has absolutely outperformed. what we are a little curious as to how sustainable this is. a lot of it depends on getting through the agenda. he has not made any meaningful outreach to the democrats, even though he is aware he needs to do it. tucker: i m losing track of whether markets are rational or not. are they rational or not? they are rational they change every single day. tucker: [laughs] they move in line with the news, just as we all do. tucker: thanks a lot for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. my pleasure. tucker: president trump have already received more intelligence coverage then you can consume in your entire life. we are not daring you to try that. up next, we ll talk to a professor who says the whole story is a lie, a big lie. he ll explain why. the school musical only tena, lets you be you. i m dr. kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer. energy lives here. who s the new guy? they call him the whisperer. the whisperer? why do they call him the whisperer? he talks to planes. he talks to planes. watch this. hey watson, what s avionics telling you? maintenance records and performance data suggest replacing capacitor c4. not bad. what s with the coffee maker? sorry. we are not on speaking terms. tucker: it took only a few decades of bad reporting with the new york times has finally admitted that the gender pay gap has nothing to do with sexism. you may have missed it but in a recent article, the reporter pointed out that what has actually been obvious for a long time, the gender pay gap is largely because of motherhood. of course, anyone who thought about it for a second already knew it. even in 2017, women are the ones who give birth to babies and they often take the lead in raising them for you doing that, though, takes focus away from a conventional career. so, many women quit or take flexible but lower paying jobs. there s nothing wrong with any of that. some people still believe that raising decent kids is more important than working at a law firm and is the right to think that. of course, it would have been nice for the times to show this kind of honesty during the eight years of president obama s terms when the bands to eliminate the sexism based pay gap were never ending. paper still seems to see women s lack of enthusiasm for global capitalism as a moral crisis, something that we need to fix immediately. the same article they had met the gap is simply caused by different choices, freely made. the article says the long-term price theft government giving up economic productivity to have families and plots ways to reverse it, because nothing more and more hard and then adding to the sum total of globalism, even your kids. that is the times position, anyway. it s time for the reality check. as has been noted, people will fall more easily for a big lie than a small one. victor davis hanson is a historian and a fellow at the hoover institution. he says that the entire russia story we have been talking about for months is just such a big lie created by the democratic party with the help of the media. victor davis hanson joins us tonight. professor, you are saying that this whole thing is just nonsense. is that what you are saying? i think you have to go to the origins and the causes and the methodology and the objectives. this whole thing started during the nomination process when the never trump people commissioned a dossier by retired british agent, the so-called christopher steele dossier that was pretty much ridiculous. then, it was passed on after trump got the nomination to the clinton campaign. then, it was forgotten about. suddenly, when she did with nobody thought she would do and lost, and robbie moog s analytics and data didn t prove to be successful, and she didn t go to the blue wall states efficiently, then, the new narrative came. the russians must have done it by the wikileaks probe process and then the dossier that somehow got into the hands of the fbi director, whether he paid for it or not. i think senator grassley is investigating that. now, we have this idea that trump colluded and this dossier was leaked to media sources that it was pretty obscene, pretty outrageous. have things in it that could not have been true. where are we now? we have a director of national intelligence, james clapper, said it didn t exist. we have senators feinstein and grassley say that fbi director comey said there was not an ongoing investigation. it was very unlikely because donald trump, he didn t dismantle eastern european missile defense. he didn t go to geneva and press a plastic red button. he didn t make fun of romney for saying russia was an existential enemy. he didn t have a hot mic exchange with a russian president saying that he would be more flexible with the russians after the election. that entire reset, appeasement of russia, came from the clinton-obama team, not from donald trump. now, it was very unlikely anyway because he ran all is a jacksonian who was going to beef up u.s. defenseman s and get tough with the rivals abroad. it wouldn t be necessarily logical that putin would want him to be president. yet, here we are. i think the real message that we are missing is that there was evidence that some people in the obama administration had a surveilled people either trump himself, or around trump. that information had either been reversed targeted, deliberately, to find information from or incidental. it didn t matter because the names were unmasked and then, they were leaked to pet her partners. for the last six months, between the dossier and the surveilling, we have the leaks. special investigator mueller looks at the totality of the so-called russian collusion-surveillance story, will come to conclusions that we don t expect. tucker: how ironic would it be, though, if in the course of the investigation, these investigations go in directions that you can t predict? no one can. people got in trouble, because that happens with these things. and at the same time, we discover that at its core, the story was just a lie. there was nothing there. there was no collusion between putin and trump. but it still ended up really hurting or bringing down this administration. is that possible? yeah, i think it is. we have had a whole cadre of washington and new york reporters who have done nothing other than for six months, using all of their tools at their disposable, their genie is, experience, to prove that donald trump colluded with the russians. they can t find anything. they haven t spent commits or attempt to look at who was unmasking individuals. and that come out from the house intelligence committee. but what we are seeing, i don t want to be too dramatic, but historically, a slow-motion coup. you have the nexus of celebrities, academics, the democratic and progressive parties, then, you have the media, and they feel that they can delegitimize a president with 1,000 next, none of them significant in themselves. but they coalesced to build a narrative that trump is an experience, that he is uncouth, he is crude, he is reckless. each day, the point is to drive his popularity down one half point, one point, until he can t function in congress because purple state congressional representatives don t want to take the risk to take initiatives. meanwhile, at the aca, the tax reform, his appointments, everybody agrees they have been excellent. there is trump, the message and agenda, versus trump the demonized president. tucker: you got to wonder if the people who run the news organizations ever think to themselves, it s kind of where that my priorities alignment precisely with those of the democratic party? [laughs] may be that s corrupt? [laughs] i think the democratic wrapped is taking its cue from the media. when the media has a narrative, the use of profanity, the democratic party follows on course. they have been following the trump story because the media has been generated and at. tucker: professor, i love talking to people with great memories. and you have one in perspective. thanks for joining us. thank you for having me, tucker. tucker: up next, sean hannity makes his return to the friend zone to talk about the former president of this company, roger ailes, who passed today. stay tuned. so tell us your big idea for getting the whole country booking on choice hotels.com. four words, badda book. badda boom. let it sink in. shouldn t we say we have the lowest price? nope, badda book. badda boom. have you ever stayed with choice hotels? like at a comfort inn? yep. free waffles, can t go wrong. i like it. promote that guy. get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed. when you book direct at choicehotels.com. book now. tucker: we invited one of our friends from fox onto the show. joining us tonight, sean hannity, who knew how mike needs no introduction, except to say that he knew our former bos. how would you some of the guy as big as roger? there is only been three people in my life that i have met that have this deeper dimenn in terms of the thought process. you know, i would often sit with him, and a time i would have a meeting, i don t care if it was on the phone or in his office, i would always take a pattern a paper because they knew i was going to get four or five great ideas that would make me seem much smarter than i am. he saw things differently. he would be able to cut to the chase, get rid of all the clutter, and, lo, tucker, i wouldn t be on with you tonight. i was a young, local radio host in atlanta with very little tv experience. took a big risk, gave me a shot, here i am, and he believed in me. and he did that for so many other people. as a set in my statement today, i think he would see things and people that they didn t know existed in themselves and i can tell you, for my own personal experience, that was the case. i never thought i could do this. one other thing that he dated, tucker, which i think is pretty amazing, i was so bad. all you need to do is google hannity s first show. it is humiliating. you want to bring me down to earth and need a i cringe when i see it. he stuck with me. he changed my life so much for the better and so many others. tucker: he did that with people. he did stick with them. what did he tell you when he first hired you? i couldn t remember one thing. that s a great question. i remember one meeting, he warned everyone, they will probably have technical collectors, something s going to happen. but just a call. i remember he told everybody, smile, have a good time, it doesn t have to be perfect on day one. this is long ball. we want to change the media landscape in the country. he emphasized fair and balanced. he wanted both sides. then, he pointed to me and alan and said, except for you to, you can do whatever the hell you guys want. tucker: and you did! [laughs] he just let us do our thing. one other great thing, we always work on a ratings pressure world, he never once called me and said, great ratings. he never once called me and said, what is wrong with your ratings, either. he knew there was an ebb and flow to the new cycle, ups and downs. that has kept me very centered. basically, you build it and you are calm, every night you do a great show. that is why people are watching it. every night, you do a great show, you work hard for your audience, you are in their viewership every night. tucker: that is really wise. he saw the big picture. he was a tough guy, too. not easily pushed around. listen, i am a better fighter today because i learned from hi him. when i first started, maybe i remember there would be certain people who were working at the fox news channel, they get their first negative article, i.e. seiko google my name, it will come of hannity is evil, hannity is satan. and then when you read it, you will feel so much better. so many people have done that and follow that advice. it used to bother me come i can t even remember when. i don t care, tucker. i don t care what people tweet, right, say. and i enjoy the competitive back in the forth in life. tucker: for our viewers were wondering if you are being sincere, i work with you, and i can say he is not joking. [laughs] when i am tweeting come of my twitter wars am smiling. everyone thinks, twitter fight, and i am like, let s get in there. i believe in fighting for what we believe in. now, we have to fight as irredeemable deplorables. that is a fight that i will engage in until my last breath because they are trying to undermine that election. tucker: sean hannity, ladies and gentlemen. i don t ever want to be in the enemy s own. tucker: [laughs] you never will be. we ll be right back. go ahead, spoil yourself. the es and es hybrid. experience amazing. that was my movantik moment. my doctor told me that movantik is specifically designed for oic and can help you go more often. don t take movantik if you have a bowel blockage or a history of them. movantik may cause serious side effects, including symptoms of opioid withdrawal, severe stomach pain and/or diarrhea, and tears in the stomach or intestine. tell your doctor about any side effects and about medicines you take. movantik may interact with them causing side effects. why hold it in? have your movantik moment. talk to your doctor about opioid-induced constipation. if you can t afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. whether you re after supreme performance. advanced intelligence. or breathtaking style. there s a c-class just for you. decisions, decisions, decisions. lease the c300 sedan for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. tucker: we ve heard a lot about roger ailes on this channel today, he was a huge figure here into american life. if you like to hear more, i recommend looking up the remarkable attributes we ve heard from brit hume and shepard smith. he captured so precisely, a lot of us got emotional watching them. i would add only one thing to what they said, he always rooted for the underdog. it s not common in our business with the success is the god most people worship. while others kissed up and kicked down, roger ailes always did the opposite. he was kinder to the cleaning crew than he was two presidential candidates, i saw that. he picked fights with someone his own size, if not bigger and he was always fearless. half my friends here washed out of somewhere else. roger saw something in them, took pity, and hire them. i know because it happened to me
praise, you talked only about taxes. you said essentially that you have pushed this item for local property taxpayers for the region that albany was very proactive in pushing thistaxpay faso only talked about the environment. this is to eliminate and save new york 19 property taxpayers millions of dollars. if this is about reforming medicaid, why are and you your colleagues only talking about tax cuts? you re praising tax cuts. i wholly support john faso and mr. collins amendment. here in western new york, people are leaving in droves because they can t pay their bills and take care of their homes. what we should do is put the burden on the state capitol because they control how this program is delivered at the local level. new york is one of the only states that puts it on the taxpayers to foot the bill. from my perspective, this is a great amendment that needs to be supported and reduce the $145 million in my low income areas across this district are going to be relieved. that s the right thing to do. it s not a low income district. we re essentially talking about a more affluent district that s wrong. put back up the faso tweet because it talks about the amount of money they would save. this is significant amounts of tax money, meaning these are affluent homeowners. wouldn t it be more honest so say, we don t want tax dollars, our tax dollars to go to pay for low income health care? we just don t want it to happen, and it isn t about reform. it s about what you have praised. making sure that taxpayers don t have to pay for low income health care. that s absolutely false. in my district, the average is alary is about $30,000 a year. to say that s affluent is hogwash, and you don t know the facts. we are talking about a program that is unstable and going bankrupt, and it s crushing our local american taxpayers across the board. we need to do better than that, joy. i m all about trying to put the pressure where the pressure needs to be. the powers decide how this operates and they need to bear the pressure and burden of making sure they are doing the most efficient and effective way possible. you re right about your district. i stand corrected on that, but the amendment that you supported is that essentially, you are saying that you don t believe that taxpayers should pay for it, which by the way, is not going bankrupt. impeerically, it s not. what you are saying is you want to take the money out of medicaid. the plain fact here is this is not about medicaid reform. you, sir, believe that medicaid should just receive less money, and it shouldn t be getting its money from property taxpayers, right? absolutely not correct. it will be a taxpayer-funded with less money in it. having a hard time. of course. what you have to do is make sure you don t reward inefficiency like we do now. this is what the problem of the program is. the more they serve, and the more money they spend and get from the american taxpayer. we need to change that formula, and make sure that the form rewards doing more with less, and not encourage us to do more ineffective, inefficient delivery of health care. let s talk about the medicaid expansion because this has become one of the sticking points. this isn t about whether or not medicaid spends more minute. this is literally about adding millions of people to the eligibility to get it at all. if the medicaid expansion is rolled back, the people that fit into the new formula, they get medicaid at all, that means that group of people just doesn t get medicaid at all. what should happen to those people? how should they get health care? that s exactly when you are talking to people of 100% of the poverty level or less will get medicaid. you want to get rid of the expansion. what what happens to those people? they won t have insurance. how do you believe those people should get health care? we have to make sure we design the tax credits and health care system that delivers lower cost and get the cost of health care under control so that health care cost go under control and people have act sce to health care. the people before the expansion didn t have a policy at all. they didn t have an insurance card to go to the doctor. more efficiency in the system won t change anything. they won t have insurance. how will those people get health care at all? absolutely, and that s where the republican plan puts the tax plan in place to provide them health insurance and the whole idea is to get the health care cost under control. that s the third step of our process. these are not people who are itemizing reduction. you re talking about the 25% of the populous. that s not a lot of money. actually, joy that s wrong. these are refundable tax credits where folks get them up front, and they can relieve the premium cost that they will be absorbing in that policy. as we phase out, that is what we re replacing it with. just so we understand, you want to give a very substantial tax cut, in your case. you don t want to taxpayers in your district to fund medicaid at all. you re rolling that back making it unlawful to fund medicaid, and cutover all cost, which means they get less money, and give them tax credits. that s the plan? that s the fundamental essence, is empower people. rather than expanding government to where it s not sustainable. american taxpayers can t foot this bill because they are tapped out. all right. i m sorry. one second. we have a guest here who is whispering to my ear that she wants to ask you a question. i m going to let one of my guests in. you seem to have a question for the congressman, and if you don t mind, i want to let her ask that question. well, the tax credits are less under the senate bill, so they are lower, so while you re taking away medicaid for those people, they won t be eligible for the same level of tax credits they would have been eligible for before. you re giving them less. because where we re going to end up, they have to do their amendment process. our tax credits in the house were based on age. the senate took a step in the right direction when you incorporate income, and that has to be the corner stone, and that s a sweet spot to the finish line. you re acknowledging for those people who won t be eligible for medicaid anymore, that the tax credit they receive is less, this would put a greater financial burden on them in terms of purchasing insurance. no. they will have they will have access to a tax credit that they can access themselves. that s lower. and find thainsurance that ws for them. it s through government and themselves as individuals. i think we understand where you are going with this. you want people to essentially it is a rollback of medicaid. it s a decrease, and i want to ask you this question in the end. do you stand by, in the end, the idea that the wealthiest people in this country, as a result of this bill, if it is signed into law, will get a tax cut, if that if they are in the richest 1% is more than the average in your district? the richest will get $37,230? is that fair to get acted into law? there is nothing wrong with reducing the tax burden, and that what we have done here in this bill. and you know what foots the bill, are the hard working americans, and from my perspective, anything we can do to alleviate tax burdens is the right direction. you have made it clear. congressman tom reed. thank you for doing this. we appreciate it. i appreciate the debate. thank you so much. when we come back, tara and the rest of my panel weighs in. you don t want to miss it. a million times. and you always laugh like you re hearing it for the first time. at lincoln financial, we get there are some responsibilities of love you gotta do on your own. and some you shouldn t have to shoulder alone. like ensuring he s well-taken care of. even as you build your own plans for retirement. ask a financial advisor how lincoln can help protect your savings from the impact of long-term care expenses. but when we brought our daughter home, that was it. now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it s the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how. this clean was like pow! everything well? 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i think there were a lot of factual deficiencies in the discussion with the congressman. it s important to understand that $882 billion in reductions in medicaid spending, 85% of that comes from the phase-out of obamacare s expansion of medicaid. it doesn t touch the traditional medicaid. there are reforms as well. we can get to that. but the vast majority of that dollar figure is the phase-out of the aca s expansion of medicaid which is replaced in this senate bill, with robust refundable advanceable tax credits that are structured similarly to the affordable care act s exchanges. pretty much the same kind of mechanism to deliver coverage to that same population. that was on the medicaid expansion before. so in texas where i live, there are going to be millions more with health insurance as a result of this bill because texas didn t expand medicaid, but these tax credits will be available to everyone in texas who is under 100% or 138% of the poverty line. how does the cbo get to the fact 20 million fewer will have health insurance? most of that figure, the medicaid expansion if you repeal it, the raw number of people were made eligible for it become ineligible. they lose their medicaid card. so if what you re saying is no, they are just trading in their medicaid card for a different kind of insurance that s a tax credit, how does the cbo get to 20 million people losing their health insurance? we don t of course have the score of the senate bill yet. the house version is similar. right. i think so too. and the vast majority of the cbo s coverage score is driven by one thing, joy. it s the repeal of the mandate of the 23 million who will lose coverage, about 18 million of that is accounted for in the cbo s model by the fact you are repealing the mandate, i.e., 18 million of those people are only signing up for coverage because they are forced to by a fine. you re saying 20 million do not want to be covered by health n. that s what the cbo says. i don t think so but let s david respond. can we step back out of the deep weeds here? please. think about health care. donald trump once said to me, health care should be like the roads. we already have a rube goldberg machine. let s simplify all of this. we need to reform health care. no reasonable student of this fails to understand that our health care system isn t a health care system. it s a non-system, sick care system. it kills people, it s inefficient, and allows people to game the system. and let me give a simple number. we spend 6 percentage points of our economy more than the french who have the best health care system in the world with no out-of-pocket costs or virtually. if we had the french system it would be the equivalent of everybody who makes less than 5 $500,000, a year paying no income taxes. that s how much we would save. if tax savings is the goal here then let s go adopt the french system and transfer into it and we can eliminate the income tax for 99% of all americans. the idea that we re going to these tax credits, why are tax credits always the solution to every problem? why not have a simple system. you re an american, you have a card, you need health care, you go and get health care. and then the debate is simply how robustly do we want to fund it. are we going to make people wait two hours to see a doctor or two days? and that s a debate that s easy to have. and by the way what s important to know i do want to ask that question of you because we had debates about other issues. typically, your response to what you would say reforming systems in the country, whether it s health care or others is tax credits, meaning that people spend out the money out of their pocket i m assuming, then at april 15th tax time no. they fill out and get money back. or sending people a check? tax credits are the go-to sort of conservative solution for everything. joy, this is a really, really important point. i m glad you raise this. the subsidies that people get in the obamacare exchanges to buy health insurance are tax credits, they are advanceable refundable tax credits. and so why i think this bill is such an advance, is just to david s point, i agree with him. i like the swiss model, but not the french model. but we have a lot to learn from europe. this is a system that switzerland has. instead of medicaid and the exchanges, you have to disenroll and enroll with different doctors and different networks and different co-pays. put them on the same system, where if your income goes up and down, you re on the same exchange, with the same tax credits. maybe your financial assistance goes up and down based on income but otherwise you re in one system. that s going to provide better care to these individuals, going to allow them to stay with one physician and one set of people who are caring for them. and i think that s going to be a much better, have much better health outcome as a result of that continuity of care. that s one of the reasons this bill is better than the status quo. let me ask you this one question, tara. you were a business owner in addition. and one of the targets for republicans, one of the reasons that i think they are sort of succeeding in pitting different elements of society against each other and the poor and the elderly and the sick and children don t really have they aren t the most powerful constituency in the world. they are on the losing end of this battle. on the winning end not just the homeowner who wants his $265. i don t care what happens with those people far away from me. you have business owners who the one place i will give agree with ovik in some of the people that would lose health care, i talk to small business owners who feel it is a burden on them to have to provide health care to employees. so if you have somebody who s got 20 employees and they don t want to foot the bill under the obamacare mandate, they, in theory, could free 20 people in their mind. quote/unquote free them because they we have to pay for their health care. so isn t that what is happening. it s pitting people who may not want to do this, they may not want to provide this care to employees against people who needed. right. well no, that s exactly what this is. this is all about picking winners and losers, right? and pitting people against one another and also playing on people s fears, right? and also misinformation. so for one thing, i am a small business owner who has purchased a gold plan recently on the obamacare exchange for one of my employees where i cover 100% of the premium of that cost and there s no deductible on the plan. so let me be clear about where i stand on that. but, with respect to small business owners, if you have 50 employees or fewer, you do not have to comply with the mandate. so if you have 50 employees or more, then you are doing very well. i have, i m in the 10 employees or fewer range of this. so that s number one. so a lot of small business owners don t have to. if you choose to provide it as i have, i am eligible because i have 25 employees or fewer to receive a tax credit which helps me as a small business owner. the other point here is with the individual mandate, this is something i think is missing here. when you take away the individual mandate what s going to happen is healthier, younger people are not going to sign up. that is why it was put in place. so by definition, costs will go up without them helping to subsidize the sicker people who need to sign up. this is a great debate. i think we should bring you guys all back and do it again. it s hard to get around the data that s coming out of the cbo that says empirically, ovik, saying 20 voluntary get off but you re talking about medicaid that i don t think there is any one who is on it that wants to lose it. we can continue to have the debate. and i appreciate you guys doing it. tara will be back later. thank you. we ll bring you guys back. up next, the pelosi blame game. stay with us. 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no, simple. it s a very republican district and it doesn t matter how much money what is it? $20 million? the dccc spent 6 million in that district and ran ads with pelosi. set the pelosi thing aside. that may have had an influence. that s not my problem. my problem is the dccc blew its entire like bank account but you get my point, on a race of a 30-year-old who didn t live in the district, who had never run for office before, against a very bad candidate, and by the way, the campaign put out a postmortem memo that said ossoff never went below a 50% approval rating. he lost. why would the dccc spend $6 million on that race when on the same day, about 150 miles away in south carolina, in the old john sprat seat, archie parnell was running he lost that race by 2700 votes. eight votes per precinct. how much did they spend there, around $275,000. they sent out mailers, none of which had archie s name on them. did radio, they did tv, they did facebook. they did all kinds of things. heck, they even wired $145,000 to the south carolina democratic party who then proceeded to wire it back to them for some unknown reason. i don t understand that. what i do understand is this. mm-hmm. what i do understand is this. the democratic party, the dccc and the leadership, made a huge massive mistake, they could have elected at least one democrat last week, and they made the mistake and didn t do it. or the other way you could say is that they lost the ossoff race. they could have lost the ossoff race for free is what you are saying. that s right. i wanted quickly you wrote what i thought, before i get to your piece just the stats, the political report looked at the rating of the georgia six race and it s r plus 8. 71 republican held districts have a smaller gop lean than that, and democrats need 24 seats to take control of the house. to the point that was made, the ossoff campaign put out a memo where they did a postmortem. georgia 6 a deeply red district. tom price was consistently elected by double digit margins. i think 23 points last time. there are twice as many republicans as democrats. there is no path to victory here without independents and some republicans. in this environment, fighting right wing groups. your thoughts on that postmortem? i thought it was reasonable. there was one thing that they were missing, joy, the lesson that could have been learned from south carolina. there s this crazy idea that like when you want to win an election you should spend money on your own people and not trying to convince people who don t like you. the ossoff campaign if there is one mistake they made, they didn t spend enough money in the african-american and latino community in georgia 6. it s not a guarantee they were going to win but they left that to a lot of outside groups. now the reality is with so much early turnout and so much attention being paid, republicans came out and voted early. the right-leaning independents came out and voted early. ossoff overperformed and you speak to anybody there and that s what they say. they still missed the boat, you need to focus on black men, black women, latinos and single people. more because that s the future of the democratic party. not a bunch of soccer moms that are never going to vote for you. jason did write, it s a great piece if anybody hasn t read it. white people generally don t vote for democratic party in georgia or any other southern state. three need to team up with black voters to send a message to trump from georgia. it was a fantasy created by the blue screen, and cgi who wanted a happy ending to the trump narrative. democrats are crying over losing in montana, kansas, south carolina and georgia. and they are acting as if there was some way they could have won when this they, to jason s point, are paying sole attention to flipping white voters who are republicans. right. and so you know where i stand on this, joy. you know we had this conversation many times. i am a big believer in, if you cannot maximize turnout which jon ossoff did, i don t want to but if you cannot maximize fully turnout among your own people, then it is pointless to then if you can t convince the people who are already ideologically, primarily aligned with you, and just may not be motivated to vote, you re going to have a heck of a time trying to convince people who are not predisposed to your position. so i do think that the thing the democrats need to focus on in my mind is massive voter registration and i think that let the outside groups do what what they do but you need have your campaign need as process for that as well. voter suppression is still an issue in this country and it s not getting enough attention and it s only getting worse. so you have jerry gerrymandered districts already in an uphill battle. combine that with the fact they are active and aggressive efforts going on to disenfranchise people and black, brown, asian, but not just that, white voters who align with the democratic party are having trouble. college students are not being able to use student i.d., gun owner s permit is eligible. early voting being cut. there is a massive assault on voting rights in this country and that s something that democrats need to aggressively attack. jason, to that point the thing the democrats do in that vain is say john lewis or do an ad or have barack obama cut a radio ad and then don t do anything in terms of mobilizing black voters. exactly. in john lewis is great and everybody heard his stories and he is wonderful but there is this problem. this is the difference, what they did in south carolina. it was very experimental. let s be fair. if the democrats have focused on south carolina it would have gotten blown out. the reason they did well is it stuck up on the candidate. what they decided to do is develop more targeted messages for african-americans. he didn t just talk about the aca, but you said look, this affects heart disease which affects the black community. turnout has to be specific tike the people that you re talking to. and all too often democrats seem to think that telling black folk and telling hispanic hey there is an election is enough. that is the lesson that should be learned. it s not nancy pelosi s fault, not jon ossoff s fault. it had nothing to do with him living outside the district. it had to do with the basic facts. one last thing, when you poll someone out of congress to join your administration you only poll from safe districts. trump wasn t going to pull anyone from a purple district. i think that s the other point. bringing nancy pelosi into it assumes that voters are sort of helpless victims of propaganda like you can just say nonsay employee say, and they say, oh, my god. i can t vote for them. isn t it also the case, you talk about ina lot, nationalizing these elections isn t also the way to go. you need to pick the district. who fits the district, run somebody and spend some money. right? let me follow up on something jason said. the dnc did do that money to south carolina 05 and it worked pretty well. to that point though, yes, look, nancy pelosi you can blame her all day long. if i have hemorrhoids, it s not nancy employpelosi s fault. however i m also never running for an office no matter what so no one is going to be able to blame nancy pelosi for that fact. in georgia that did work to a large degree. in south carolina, even if south carolina, the democratic party here, had spent that money before they sent it back that would have never shown up on the fec reports until the middle of july well after archie parnell had been sworn in as a member of congress, so the pelosi effect wouldn t have mattered in south carolina. it simply wouldn t have. you do have to listen. tara is right. jason s right. voter registration, calling out suppression, that stuff has to be a priority for the parties, building parties means building people. if you don t do that you can t win in south carolina, and so do the the dccc, they failed in both of these. i like the fact that you called out the dccc. they exist. nancy pelosi doesn t run these, it s the dccc s job to win these elections. and just one more editorial thing. spending all of that money on tv as opposed to spending it on voter registration and ground game might be a problem too. if you did have hemorrhoids i bet you nancy would send you a designer pillow. that s how she that s how you know, she s going to send you something. i have a designer pillow. thank you. you guys are great. tara, jason, wish you were all here. coming up, former actor or acting attorney general sally yates jimy threw me off with those comments. i m sorry. details next. i tried hard to quit smoking. but when we brought our daughter home, that was it. now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it s the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how. what s the best way to get v8 or a fancy juice store?s? 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well, you know the administration started on inauguration day talking about carnage in our cities and the country is at historic low in violent crime. there are a handful of cities that have seen a rise but this attorney general is using fear mongering to he wrote another op ed in the washington post i think as a result of criticism that he was getting, a lot from conservative colleagues who are pointing to evidence to the contrary, that actually violent crime is down at historic lows and there is no evident that exists to establish that violent crime upticks in a handful of cities that we re seeing has anything to do with the fact that people with drug convictions aren t serving long sentences. it just defies the imagination, it seems like a highly politicized rhetoric that he s using and it has dangerous consequences. and i feel like it is very ideological. jeff sessions when he was in the senate was known to be fixated on immigration and some of the issues and this idea that there is all of the violent crime in the cities and the op ed that he wrote and that sally yates was responding to said it is time to get tough again and he is claiming that somehow the i guess he s presuming the previous administration was tough on soft on crime. let s listen to a may 25th speech that sessions gave in front of law enforcement officers in memphis, tennessee. every one of our citis, no matter who they are or where they live, have a right to be safe in their homes and in their communities. safe from gangs and rapists and carjackers and drug dealers. we must act to reverse this surge in violent crime and keep our country and every single community safe. and he s also claiming that the federal government softened its approach to drug enforcement and crime surge saying that about the administration you are part of. how do you respond? you know, again, it is highly ideological. in fact, i would say that attorney general holder, when he instituted smart on crime, which was aimed at a reserve of federal law enforcement resources to prosecute the most serious crimes and complex crimes, was really actually following the suit of countless states in the last several years, red states, blue states, that had recognized that we needed to have more evidence and data-driven policies really driving our criminal justice system rather than a set of ideology that promoted mass incarceration for the last several years and the smart on crime instituted at the justice department were aimed at the most serious offenses and about trying to take away the really harsh mandatory minimums that tied the hasn ts of federal judges. you have federal judges resign over the fact that the inability to calibrate sentences according to the facts of any driven crime had just tied the hands of judges and resulted in a grossly unfair racially disproportionate system. and so to say that somehow this was soft on crime is really ignoring the fact that crime continued to go down even while the federal prison population started to go down. and that it is really important for a federal prosecutor to be able to have use their discretion to calibrate sentences and to not impose long, severe sentences for low-level drug crimes that has been the case for far too long in this country. and i want to put up this chart that shows the violent crime rate in 1991, and now standing at 366 which is about cut in half. but as we close. are you concerned about the message that this sends to law enforcement, even though we are talking federal law enforcement, but local law enforcement. we just saw the fiphilando caste verdict come back and some pummelled by law enforcement officers ab are you worried about what this is sending to law enforcement about themselves and how they should behave versus the citizenry. i m very worried about this. the attorney general doesn t just have a say so over federal law enforcement, he has a bully pulpit and funding dollars that go to state and local and his rhetoric is taking us back to 1980s policy and undoing the police reform work that has been so important. the good news is i think reform is going to continue because people see the attorney general for what he is and we have to continue with data driven policies that make our communities safe. thank you. much appreciated. thank you. and that is our show for today. join us tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. for am joy. keep it right here on msnbc. card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. which adds fuel to my bottom line. what s in your wallet? 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supreme court. the obsession with covering everything he says on twitter and very little what he does as president that s his preferred message of communication. the administration attempting to down play the importance of the president s tweets. the policy of the social media, chris. it is social media. it is not social media. it is his words. his thoughts. it is not a policy. it is social media. after tauting twitter as an essential part of the president s strategy for months. donald trump s social media platform is a powerful way for him to connect with the people. also education kalating his fight with london s mayor, accusing him of offering a pathetic excuse when he advised london residents not to be alarmed by increased security in the city. offering the scathing response when asked about mr. trump s planned visit to the u.k. his policies go against everything we stand for. apparently on message when he tweeted out there was a big meeting today with the republican leadership concerning tax cuts and health care. said they are all pushing hard, must get it right. we are expecting sean spicer at the podium briefing today and that is that meeting with congressional leaders is apparently the most important thing going on as far as we know right now. back to you. all right, joe. appreciate it. the president tweeting again about something very serious and it matters. during my recent trip to the middle east i stated there can be no longer funding of radical ideology. leaders pointed to qatar. look. what does this mean? we have angus king. senator, always good to see you. what do you make of this? why is the president going out of his way to undermine the white house s own message? well, i don t think he s going out of his way to purposefully undermine it. i think he s being himself and communicating that the danger is that he s making policy almost inadvertently. i had been governor 20 years ago about a month when a friend said you have to be careful when you are having lunch or walking down the hall, you can verbally make policy. when you are the president, you can t just say what is on your mind at that particular moment and i think this is you know, this is a significant problem for the administration to then say, don t mind what this man is saying over here, you know, wizard of oz, don t pay attention to the main behind the curtain, that doesn t fas the straight face test. for months they told us we are wrong for saying the travel ban is a ban. he then tweets again and again and again in an odd context, you know, in a moment of crisis for london where you would think a president would be reaching out and be conciliatory, and he says it is a ban. it has always been a ban. i want it to be a ban and i want it to be the original ban, which is something that could have a little bit of bearing on the case before the supreme court. kellyanne conway s husband has already pointed out that that s a compromise of the case because what the courts have been looking at is what is this really. is this the president s exercise of his authority to limit immigration, or is it an intentional act to try to keep certain people out of the country for religious reasons? and his his comments, his extracurricular comments, if you will, have already been used in the court proceedings. so, you know, you re right. and i think it goes to the issue of realizing the power of the presidency. you can make an offhand comment that the market will fall 500 points or there will be a conflict that will arise. it is not you give up it seems to me when you become president you give up the right to be offhanded about your comments and just say whatever is on your mind at that moment. the consequences, the results are just too significant. they absolutely matter. and the suggestion they are just tweets is absurd. you can see it again and again. look at the comey situation you will be facing. you re one of the senators who will get to ask questions of the former fbi director on thursday. the president s tweets about comey were fundamental in our understanding of what went on there with his firing, just as it is when he went on record with a journalist and talked about it. what do you want to ask of comey? one of the advantages of being more or less junior on the committee is i get to listen to the other questions and mr. comey s answers before i have to formulate mine. i want to get to the bottom of what were the circumstances surrounding the firing, what were the circumstances surrounding these various meetings going back to after the inauguration and was he asked to be loyal and was he asked to somehow put a tamper on part of the investigation. these are very important questions. but i have some other questions, too, that frankly, i am going to wait until the hearing to share with mr. comey. you don t want to give us a little bit of an advance, is that s okay, senator. do you have any particular curiously about that paragraph that stuck out in everybody s minds that the president had drafted from the white house where he thanked comey or at least recognized comey for telling him on three separate occasions that he was not part of investigation. do you want to know if that ever happened? absolutely. that paragraph you refer to was in the letter where he fired comey. by the way, the last line of that letter is good luck with your future endeavors or something like that. it was sort of strange. but absolutely, did you reassure the president. and this is a very, very important part of this investigation. we were concerned that perhaps director comey s testimony would be not suppressed isn t the right word, but pushed to the side somewhat by the mueller investigation, but director mueller is not going to constrain mr. comey from speaking to us fully and i think that s good news. we should get a full accounting from jim comey on thursday. that s an important development. so as far as you know, the former director is not being held in any way by the special counsel in what he can talk to you. do you expect comey to refuse to discuss any topic? well, i do expect that he won t discuss the russian investigation itself. in other words, the investigation that mueller is now in charge of. what it was like or what he knew when he left. i ll be surprised if he does that. but as far as from the inauguration on and his interactions with the president, that appears to be absolutely fair game and it s very important material for us to have. senator, we anticipate your questions. it is going to be a big day. we are starting new day an hour early and we have special coverage starting at 9:00. the testimony is supposed be at 10:00. who do you believe has the nicer tie on this morning, you or me? well, i think the deal is we re both promoting maine lobsters this morning. full disclosures, this is from the senator, this tie. there is a little lobster trap at the bottom of it. i commented i liked the senator tie and in italian fashion he sent me it. did you coordinate your outfit this is morning before you came on the air? no. i knew the senator was coming on. i wore this to ingratiate myself to him. i want you to see on my tie, each lobster has an american flag. that s an american lobster. i do not have flags on mine, which is now making me feel inadequate. senator, i like your shirt. the shirts are from l.l. bean. hey! that s a maine company. oh, it is? i didn t notice. senator, thank you very much. great to see you. thank you. good to be with you. president trump digging in, defending his use of twitter as members of his own administration say his tweets don t mean anything. who should we listen to? him. listen to the president. kind never had to. we choose real ingredients like almonds, peanuts and a drizzle of dark chocolate. give kind a try. the beswith neutrogena® beach? 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here is what chris collins, congressman chris collins tried to thread this needle to help us understand which ones to pay attention to. listen to this. it s social media. it is not social media. it is his words, his thoughts. it is not policy. it is not an executive order. it is social media. please understand the difference. you take them seriously because they are our president s thoughts. however, the nuances at the end, there will be a certain filter they go through when they become official policy. okay. david, you heard them both say they are not official policy. well, this doesn t have to be a debate. i mean, the president is speaking in an unfilgters way. he is providing remarkable transparency on the part of any president to really let us into what he thinks, what position he stakes out. for all of his advisors, i just, you know, kind of dismiss all that. they are in an impossible position. they are allowing themselves to be sent out. he is the president of the united states, words matter. he should care about the office of the president and what that means on the world stage. he doesn t care about that, so he can offend the mayor of london right after the attack and inaccurately quote him from the aftermath of the attack or he can essentially undercut his own administration on the issue of the travel ban. all of these things i think just undermine his potential effectiveness. he is a leader who wants to either respond to crisis or advance a legislative agenda. he is not doing either very well because he s only creating more discord within his administration. he himself is erratic, so we don t know where he ultimately will land. but what he s saying is absolutely what he thinks and that s the bottom line. and that is the utility in it, chris cillizza, this idea that he can be all over the place. yeah, and very often we don t get any access to that with our leaders. we don t see the vagaries and the iterations and tbecause the get filtered. so doesn t every single tweet, every iteration, every twist matter? yes. in fact, i would argue it matters more than many of the statements we get. so david s point certainly out of his staff and out of official such as they are presidential statements. i watched that chris collins interview with wonderment and amazement because basically what chris collins did in that interview is make the exact case for why we should pay a ton of attention to donald trump s tweets. he essentially said, this isn t like an official statement that s filtered through a bunch of people. this is just the president talking. the president said the same thing. that s the point. he s talking about us. the irony is nobody wants him to tweet more than we do. i want him to tweet every second, you know? yeah. this is him breaking with he has been i guarantee you, look, chris, i know how the media works. there is no one in the media who says, man, i hope donald trump tweets less. that is not a thing that happens. then the people who tell him to tweet less are people on his staff. so, look, again, i would urge people if you have not watched that chris collins interview, go back and watch it because it is the tortured logic of trying to explain something that is unexplainable. why he s his tweets are basically the most authentic representation of him but also not official policy because they haven t been filtered six ways to sunday. that s right. so, april, there you are on the front lines, right at the white house press room every day trying to make sense of all of this, trying to figure out what to pay attention to, what to prioritize, what to take seriously and literally whatnot to and trying to get answers and what is your experience like when you make these points to whoever it is and you have to listen to them do these verbal gymnastics. it is tough. it is very tough because logic says one thing and they re saying another. and you use the operative trying to make sense, trying is the operative word. but then you have the president of the united states going to chris and david, who made excellent points. he comes and just upsets the apple cart with what they are trying to do. he is the leader of the free world. he is the president of the united states. and words matter. his words matter. they re archived. he shakes markets. he changes policy. whatever he thinks and we watch on twitter, we take that more so as fact than what they are saying at that podium because he is their leader. he is their boss. he is the leader of the free world and what he is thinking is actually coming out. then you hear it just does not come together or mary that well. there also seems to be a window, david, into this deepening discord that the president has with those around him. the reporting in the times this morning about how he feels about jeff sessions and whether he recused and obviously it wasn t an accident he talks so much about the travel ban in the context of the doj doing the wrong thing. but for him to, with a clear mind, according to his tweets this morning, go out there and contradict what he knows what his surrogates are saying, that tells us something also, doesn t it? it tells us a lot. presidential leadership has a singular aspect to it, right, that there is an aspect of leadership that comes from the top, that comes from the president. but government is very much a team effort. that s why you have a team of advisors who help you wade through information, work through complicated issues and reach a decision that s the best decision that you can possibly make under the circumstances. in this case, we have evidence here and the tweeting is just symptomatic of it, of a president who is simply not listening. so when he says that social media is not policy, he has a point. what matters is not where you start, but where you finish. but we don t know where the president is going to finish and what we often know is that wherever he starts is where he himself would like to finish and may well finish if he s not listening to the advice around him. and the tweet gave us a better reckoning of what he wants out of the executive order on travel than the official position. he says he want it is original. but we don t know where it will finish, to david s point. that s not what the supreme court will decide on. the supreme court is going to rule on the constitutionality of the order before it, which is the second one. right. but if the president, he started the muslim ban. he called it that, said he wanted it. he wanted the final word. he says he didn t want that. of course he s the final word. the supreme court is the final word. that s of the legality of the order. what that order is is up to the president. he signs it and drafts it. that s why it is called an executive order. panel, we ll spare you having to weigh in on all of this. thank you very much. new details about terror attacks on london. we know the identities of all three attackers. one of them was known to british authorities. in what context? live ahead. i guess i was born with a crayon in my hand. i feel like i am ready to take on the day. i don t have aches and pains from the previous day s training and i feel like myself. i wake up feeling stronger. a better surfer. a better me. now through june 11th, save $600 when you buy select tempur-pedic adjustable mattress sets. find your exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com. live at the market scene with the latest. have what you learned? reporter: so we know now who these third attacker is. he is 22-year-old, an italian national of mor rock can decent. he was living in east london. they say he was not on their radar or a person of interest. however, italian authorities say he was a person of interest to the italian police because he had been stopped a couple of years ago carrying a one-way ticket to istanbul. they have listen to believe perhaps he was trying to travel to syria. this raising questions about how it is or why, rather, italian authorities were not kbh communicating with other authorities here. one of the attackers was very well known to london authorities, a well known local extremist group that has been disbanded. he was even in ai document that aired recently. some questions as to why some of these people weren t on their radar, particularly the british man in question. chris? once again showing the difficulty of that volume of cases that they have there to look at. in the wake of that attack, president trump is renewing his criticism of the mayor of london. but what is the president doing to fight terror here at home? let s discuss with cnn counter terrorism analyst phillip mud, former u.s. ambassador at large and state department coordinator for counter terrorism, daniel benjamin. that is one heck of a title you got going there. so when we look at the talk, the talk is tauf, phillip mud, from the president about terror. he beat the drum during the campaign. he does so now. it is why he says he needs a travel ban and wants to revert to a version of it that seemed to target muslims from select countries. but in terms of policy, activity on the ground, what do we know about how this administration is dealing with terror versus the last one? we know a lot, chris. i remember watching the president say last year when it was on the campaign trail, i have a secret plan, and i think we know what the secret plan is, which is doing a lot of what the old guy did, which is president obama. if you look at the areas of engagement, there is a couple of characteristics. you have to support local militaries in places like afghanistan and iraq. this president has done that, as president obama did. you have to maintain drone warfare. you have to support law enforcement and intelligence in the united states. i d say that s a mixed message from the president in light of what he did from former fbi director comey. there is one area and dan can speak to this as well as i can that is different. that is, who do you pick as allies around the world? this president has said if there is a dictator around the world, for example, the president of egypt who will fight extremism, i will favor that dictator at the expense of language about democracy. that is an area where president trump has been clear. daniel, your take? right. i think phil has it exactly right about the continue yties. and by implication, supporting repressi repression, which as we know is a big driver of radicalization. so backing someone like general all see see in egypt is going to come back to haunt us. the other difference is the president has shown us completely with saudi arabia and the gulf arabs and say sectarian strife is okay. let s fight iran. that s another major driver of extremism. 40,000 people went to fight in syria and ara iraq. and part of the reason is they went is they wanted to kill shia. out of that comes a lot of radicalization. what is your gut sense on whether or not the perception of trump makes americans safer? my clear perception is that it is not making america safer, as phil and everyone else in the business knows, it is vitally important to maintain the trust of muslim communities, especially at home but also abro abroad. those are communities at home that provide us with something like 40% of our information on radicalization subjects and if those people are alienated, are intimidated or isolated, they are going to clam up. and the muslim travel ban, the talk about a national registry, things like that, all of those are having a chilling effect and could be dangerous over the long time. so i don t think that s going to help us. your reaction to the push back from the president s surrogates when they say, hey, if the travel ban for a muslim ban, they would have included indonesia on there. so you really don t have any case to make that this is about muslims. i am confused from two aspects of this, chris. one is if you say on the campaign trail, i m going to institute a muslim ban and days in office the ban that you institute now called by the president of the united states as a ban targets countries that are solely muslim majority, you have to say, well, i assume the president is doing what he said. the second piece of a confusion is what the trump folks are saying. if they want to make america safer and you look at the case in the u.k. of someone out of mor rocco in this case and a resident in italy, you look at origins of this extremism. none of these are on the list. i look at this and say how is this supposed to help? i can t figure out the answer to that question. it mirrored what obama has done when he targeted travel on not identity. gentlem gentlemen, thank you very much for making important things. hillary clinton may have lost the 2016 election, but powerful women are still breaking barriers in washington, d.c. and dana bash speaks with long-time senator and bad-ass woman of washington, dianne feinstein. with mailing a classified report to a news outlet. president trump defending his use of twitter this morning. his tweet undercutting white house aids trying to defend him and his agenda. police have identified the third terrorist. one of the attackers was known to british intelligence, but was not under active surveillance somethe gunman in monday s deadly workplace shooting targeted his victims. police say a 45-year-old army vet killed five former colleagues before takes his own life. he was recently fired by his employer. wonder woman number one at the box office, making history or technically herstory. that is the biggest opening for a female directed film. the director will be on new day tomorrow morning. very exciting. she is a bad-ass woman. she is. which leads to our next segment. i m going to say that word as often as i can. speaking of wonder woman, go ahead, tell us about this next segment. the segue that was working here, senator dianne feinstein is opening up about her distinguished career and how unimaginable tragedy put her on a trail blazing path. take a look. i became mayor as a product of assassination of the mayor being killed and the first openly guy public official being killed by a friend and colleague of mine. very tumultuous time. for when dana bash joins her in a new series called bad-ass women of washington. there you go. you said it. i ve found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say.if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia decided, let s just call it that. it stuck. and we spoke with seven women across the political and generational spec rtrum for the series. dianne feinstein has a story that will make you say, wow, she is a bad-ass. probably fair to say most women graduating from stamford in the 1950s were focussed on finding a husband and having a familiar hi. you wanted to go into politics. did people think you were crazy? yeah. the first time out, something must be wrong with her. she must have a bad marriage. why is she doing this? people said that to you? oh, yeah. being a woman in our society even today is difficult. you know it in the press area. i know it in the political area. 47 years ago, feinstein won a local election that eventually led her here. the chair of the president of the board of supervisors in san francis francisco. there are a lot of people that didn t think it was right for her to take this seat because she was a woman. she ran for mayor twice in the 1970s but lost both times. and then tragedy put her in the job. i became mayor as a product of assassination of the mayor being killed and the first openly guy pub hilic official bg killed by a friend and colleague of mine. one of the first openly guy elected officials in america was shot and killed. i have seen reports that said that you think maybe i could have stopped it. i was a friend of dan s. and i tried to some extent to mentor him and, oh, i never really talk about this. dan had resigned and then wanted the seat back and, so, he had an appointment with the mayor, and he walked into the office and he shot him a number of times. the door to the office opened and he came in. i heard the door slam. i heard the shots. i smell eed it. he wisinged by. i walked down the line of supervisor s office. it was the first person i had ever seen shot to death. both the mayor and supervisor had been shot and killed. the suspect is supervisor dan white. that was the most painful look at division. i tried to bring people together. feinstein became acting mayor and then was elected in her own right. when you were mayor and there was a fire. i had a radio in my room, my bedroom. when a building would burn and everybody was out on the sidewalk, i went and introduced them to the red cross. politics was not gender neutral like a time that a developer bet her if she b finished a project on time, she would have to wear a bathing suit. she kept that and hundreds of other mow men toes in a special room inside her san francisco home. there are a lot of stories here. in 1984 he was in the running to be walter mondale s running meat. they thought i was going to get it. this was going to be the cover. didn t happen that way. why didn t you ever run for president? i don t know. i felt i would never be elected. see, look how hard it is. look at hillary. look at what she s gone through. yeah. you have done hard before. yeah, i ve done hard before, but it is not a bad thing being in the senate. and she s done a lot that she s proud of. high on the list is gun control. let me tell you, i ve seen assassination. i ve seen killing. i know what these guns can do. and she wracked up a lot more firsts as a woman. first female member of the senate judiciary committee and first female chair of the intelligence committee and i ll never forget that moment in 2014 when she denied president obama, the leader of her own party by going to the senate floor and releasing a torture report obama did not want public. it was an investigation she oversaw and she wanted the public to see it. history will judge us by our commitment to a just society governed by law and the willingness to face an ugly truth and say never again. there was some flak. well, yeah. one of your colleagues from california, republican congressman, said you were as much a traitor to this country as edward snowden. well, he had a bad day. it is not always easy. it is hard. people watching this looking at you will be shocked to know that you are the oldest serving u.s. senator. don t rub it in. i m not. it s the opposite. it s what i m meant to do. and as long as the old bean holds up. i m from the generation where we dropped under our desks. were people out there saying i want to be dianne feinstein. i want to do what she did. run, but prepare yourself. and so many times talented young women go for the top first. you can t do that. start young, earn your spurs. you don t drop out. you take defeat after defeat after defeat. but you keep going. and i really believe that. yeah, okay. she qualifies as a bad-ass woman. i didn t know a lot of that stuff and she admitted she doesn t often talk about some of these, obviously the more painful details. absolutely. you can see where she had to take a breath and pace herself. i have covered her for a long time. she s talked about it a little bit after the new town masker when she was trying to revive the gun ban. she is going to be 84 later this month. oh, my gosh. and you really would never know it. and she is somebody who is a mentor to a lot of women. there are now 21 women in the senator. she s a mentor to women in the senator across party lines. speaking about across party lines, you spoke to lots of women about this. you spoke to democrats, republicans, you spoke to military women. yes, exactly. another one we re highlighting today elaine chow, transportation secretary who talks about the fact she came here on a cargo ship from taiwan at age 8. her story, really honest conversation about a lot of things, including never having children. i can t wait to watch that and the entire bad-ass series. great to have you here. you can watch the full series. how many times can i say the word? one more. jersey girl. totally. cnn news room with bad-ass pop lpy harlow and john berman picks up after this break.
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was that your intention? the president left the room and not evening signing the orders. asking the vice president to take them. house intel chair devin nunes blaming democrats for the scrutiny he is currently under. this is all about the independent commission. they don t want this to be investigated by members of congress or senate. they want an independent commission which is code word for something that lasts a long time and they can make political hay of it. we dive deeper into what we got 24 hours ago. the disclosures considering the trump administration were released in a friday document dump. how much are ivanka trump and jared kushner worth? let s check in with kelly o donnell. kelly, brief us on the figure that they are worth and the timing of the filings and release. reporter: this is a standard part of how white houses operate. they ruire anye working in the administration, whether this president or past presidents, to get personal about finances. typically, that picture isn t as intriguing, interesting or eye popping in some cases. the trump white house brought a lot of wealthy people into government service. that is something we don t always see. also, family members taking official roles in the white house although they are not taking a paycheck. that makes it interesting. it gives us a window into trump family assets and the kushner family which has an independent wealth in a family business there. so the forms are part of the ordinary course of business. they take on this trump interest level. we are talking not just about the family, but about 180 staffers at the white house who have to provide all of their information about themselves and spouse and bank accounts and investments and businesses. part of why this stands out is we have seen that the team brought in by the president is one of the wealthy to serve in the white house. this morning, a rare look inside trump family wealth. washington power couple and unpaid federal warniorkers, iva trump and jared kushner disclose their business and real estate investments as part of a do documents release on friday. making public financial disclosures. despite taking themselves out of management roles of businesses, the president s daughter and son-in-law remain beneficiaries of holdings that could be worth more than $731 million. ivanka trump also has a piece of the family s washington, d.c. hotel. her share valued between $5 million and $25 million. assets of a different kind. spot odd white house grounds friday, the top democrat adam schiff. sources tell nbc news he had a private visit with president trump. after schiff viewed the same surveillance information first shown only to republican chairman devin nunes who according to reports was tipped off by white house officials. people that probably knew about this. knew about me being there. the fact of the matter, that doesn t make them the source of my information. reporter: president trump injected himself into the fray by tweeting about his ousted national security adviser. michael flynn should ask for immunity. calling the investigation of flynn s ties to russia a witch hunt. the president had a different view last fall. if you re not guilty of a crime, why do you need immunity? back then, flynn agreed. that means you probably committed a crime. reporter: now flynn s lawyer says he has a story to tell and is interested in pursuing an immunity deal. talking with sources involved in the work on the intelligence committees, i m told the attorney for michael flynn has not made a formal request for immunity to the committee, but spoken publicly about seeking that protection for his client. we are told that the timeline for this is early. the committees are just getting going on their work. they have to do more investigation before they would know what it is that michael flynn could offer or willing to consider immunity. we are ahead of the game here. it also is a case that there is a separate investigation being done by the department of justice and the committees don t want to interfere with that. immunity seems far off. not completely off the table, but unlikely based on the people we talk to now. thomas. i expect a good lawyer would get assurances over unfair prosecution. kelly, thanks so much. the senate intelligence committee denied flynn s immunity request so far. a senior official made the same offer to the justice department. for the justice department to agree to give somebody like him immunity means they want him to turn and testify against someone higher up in the food chain. who is higher up in the food there are many democrats watching this in a fever dream over what is taking place. they are letting themselves get the cart before the horse on this. from your perspective of the house intel committee and the reports we have and knowing that flynn was an unregistered foreign agent for the turkey government, is that a big concern for the united states and the department of justice and the house intel committee to take a hard look at the actions of general flynn? i think the justice department will look at the registration and those types of things. i think obviously people are aware or were aware that general flynn was doing work with the turks. whether that qualified for regulations remains to be seen. they need to look at the more serious issues. they need to look at the total involvement of the russians in u.s. politics and business and trying to influence what goes on here in the united states. they will take a hard look at what was going on in the last days of the obama administration with the various transcripts and various intelligence reports that included trump transition personnel and where they went and who had them and who authorized them about the unmasking. the intelligence committee both of them, will have a tremendous amount of work to do over the next 6 to 12 months. do you believe russia interfered with the election and president trump was the benefactor? number one, i believe the russians were involved. i think this is an interesting thing. how were they involved in 2016 and 2012 and then 2008? i think it is unclear there was a single beneficiary. i think there were issues with james comey testifying a couple weeks ago. it is obvious they hated hillary clinton. we know that. there are also concerns about some of the policies that a potential president trump would be involved in. you know, i don t get to that nexus yet that the director did. oh, they hated hillary, so obviously they were for trump. i would like to see the intelligence and intelligence sourcing that the director of the fbi had. how close do we have human assets that provided information that enabled the director of the fbi to make that type of conclusion or is this something that do you not believe president trump? what? do you not believe president trump? what do you mean? on the campaign trail. he said he had a good relationship with russia and vladimir putin. they do good things. you don t believe president trump? there s the evidence. human evidence you are looking for coming from the president. he has a relationship with vladimir putin. he respects him as a world leader. that doesn t necessarily mean that putin is believing that i need to get this guy in here because i have a relationship with him. no, i m looking for the specific intelligence that is only available to our intelligence community that enables the director of the fbi to come out and so definitively declare the relationship or the activities by russia clearly were to favor candidate trump in an election where every pundit was saying hillary clinton was going to be the overwhelming victor on november 8th. let s see the intelligence that enables it to be. do we have that intelligence? i don t know. former congress member pete hoekstra, thank you. security officials are exploring the reason behind the sudden ban on laptops on flights from several middle east airports. nbc s pete williams. reporter: now u.s. officials say one reason for the restrictions is a government analysis suggesting that terrorists have developed the means to conceal explosives in laptops that could elude screening. u.s. officials believe terror groups are using some airport screening devices which turn out to be widely available to test their explosive designs. how big of a threat is this and will it impact you? we ll talk about that coming up. i have ahma. .one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo is specifically designed to open up airways to improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. learn more about better breathing at mybreo.com. we re on the mov. we re on the mov. hey rick, all good? oh yeah, we re good. we re good. terminix. defenders of home. in washington. joining me now is senior security analyst juan duarte. he is security advisor for combating terrorism under former president george h.w. bush. they turned down the request from flynn s attorney in exchange for the testimony for immunity. this is not unusual that they try to get that first to protect themselves. it is not unusual, thomas. the fact you have three investigations under way. one is a criminal investigation from the fbi. two, congressional investigations on the senate side and house side. you have any important witness asking for immunity. what is unusual here is it is at a very high level. the former national security adviser and it is early. what you have here is the lawyers for general flynn trying to get ahead of the narrative and curve here to demonstrate he is willing to testify, but obviously want protections. it is too early in the investigation. you have seen both the senate and house side as well as the fbi are not willing to consider this yet because the investigation is not mature enough. they need to know more and investigate more. you are talking about a senior individual asking for immunity. that is a late stage decision for the investigators. it is not unusual in asking, but it is unusual in terms of the sequence. in flynn s description of immunity last year, he constitutes immunity you get that because you have done something criminal. you think flynn and his team are surprised to be rejected by the sfet i senate intel committee? probably not. i think his lawyers are savvy enough to tell him they want the offer on the table and dictate the terms of what happens next. of course, what are you describing is the public perception of immunity in a politically charged investigation versus what it means to somebody on the other side of the table being asked the questions. potentially in jeopardy of criminal prosecution. now we don t know that to be the case, but you also have an individual who doesn t know what the investigators, especially in the fbi, are looking at. they could look at not just the russia issues, but issues tied to representing foreign nations and other activities. if you are in general flynn s seat, you want as much protection as possible before sitting in front of the legal-ites. i think of this like an onion. peel back the layers. some say it stinks and others are crying. the terrorists may have learned how to hide bombs in laptop computers. this is something we kind of covered before. they are looking to one-up and be more creative in targeting major airlines. the computer would power on to allow devices to pass through security check points, but then go to a resting mode. how big of a concern is this about large scale electronic devices from the middle east and north africa? this is a serious reminder that groups like al qaeda and isis are doing everything possible to intimidate methods. we know they operate from safe havens and developed expertise, especially from yemen. they are constantly ying to innovate or security measures. you have seen this over time. this is the latest. the shoe bomber and the liquid bomb. the underwear bomb in 2009. the laptop plot that went off in an airline out of somalia last year. you had constant attempts to innovate around security pro toe tall cals. this is the latest. the reason you have the ban is the intelligence community had specific information about the attempts to circumvent that particular security which is why the ten countries where the ban is in effect are directly implicated. authorities are very worried that you have innovation in those kinds of devices and trying to work around the security protocols. juan, if we can show that again so folks can drink in the geography. what about security at other airports? terrorists are trying to evade the security measures as they get the head s up about the ban in place and they can fly in from somewhere else. you are absolutely right, thomas. this is a great issue with transportation security. you are only as good as your weakest link. the terrorists can adapt to whatever security protocols or rings. including geography. of course, put out the protocols and security measures. they will know where you are targeting and they will find other ways in. part of the attractiveness of hitting airlines is not the human toll and economic investigaeffects and psychological. they can get on one or two flights and suddenly they are hitting the united states directly. we saw that with the underwear plot. the guy got on out of yemen, the nigerian, trying to blow himself up over detroit. this is what they are plotting. the fact they have havens and experts trying to device these devices is just a very serious reminder this is a real threat and authorities are trying to play cat-and-mouse game to get ahead of the curve and prevent these from happening. you have to be creative to stay a step ahead. juan zararte. thank you. if you are devin nunes, you can go home again, butou will catch heat. people greeted him in california and he was there among gjeers. i m not sure if nunes could hear it, but what is the way forward for this congress member? 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ask your hep c specialist about harvoni. hi, everybody. i m thomas roberts at msnbc world headquarters. we are following the blockbuster report from our colleagues at nbc news. the key documents in the russia probe after taking office. they were concerned over what could happen to classified documents, they created a list to give to senior members of the intel committee. joining me now is reporter ken dilanian. ken, what can you tell us about the report and how it was given to the senate intel committee. thomas, this is the waning days of the obama administration when they collected this intelligence of russia interf e interfering and collusion. they re concerned about what would happen when the trump administration takes office. they start spreading it around the government and one of the ways they did that was as we reported an obama administration official created a log of classified documents and hand carried it over to key members of the senate intelligence committee. this wasn t a classified document in and of itself. it referred to secret documents. it was like a master key so the senate could find these things in the event of an investigation. obviously there is an investigation now. so it just speaks to the level of concern in the obama administration about what might have happen to the stuff. one source said they didn t want it to be buried in a safe at langley. this is a table of contents for those interested to find it. the white house under president obama was suspicious of the trump administration or of the fbi or of which part? which branch of government coming in for 2017 that would let this information go dormant? great question. it looks like they were suspicious of the trump administration because they were concerned some of this intelligence and evidence implicated the administration in collusion. it hasn t been proven. we know some of the evidence included intercepts that showed contacts with trump associates and contacts. they get access to this report seeing the listing of information and learning how it s been categorized around the hill. larger effort which the times about the effort to spread intelligence around to declassified the lower level of secrecy some more people could see it. sean spicer referred to this. they feel this was inappropriate and the obama administration trying to tar the trump administration with the russia stuff inn fa stuff unfairly. we know a former obama official came on appearing on morning joe having this to say under obama. listen. i think that the revelations of evelyn farkis going on the record to talk about how they politically used classified information is troubling. so do we know there was political use for classified information here, ken? absolutely not. she said she was acting as a former government official. concerned about the russia interferen interference. to urge her former colleagues to make sure the stuff did not disappear. she said she wasn t traffic in classified information. the right wing media has seized on her comments to suggest inappropriate level of sharing. if there is nothing there, i don t understand what the trump folks would be worried about. they would want the public to know this and there is no come propers myse compromise. ken dilanian, thank you. joining us now for the reporter for the times is michelle sanders and mike hill. let s start with you, mike. the house investigation. how does it investigation move forward after schiff s visit to the white house and the lack of faith the democrats have in nunes? it depends on what nunes does. in the eyes of the democrats, this is stalled if not dead. as you mentioned, schiff was at the white house yesterday. he saw the information that nunes saw ten days before. it did not answer any questions. he wants to know why nunes was briefed by the white house over the subject of the investigation. that did not tell the members of the committee. told the press and went back and rebriefed the white house that just briefed him. it seemed to have raised more questions and concerns about chairman nunes and ability to do an i mpartial investigation. the democrats are not satisfied. i actually sat down with eric sw swalwell. he said we will look into it. without nunes directing this ship and would you tell us having faith in it, we can t do anything at all. they are pushing for the 9/11 commission style investigation. unless something significant changes and they have new faith in nunes. that is not happening. do you think and as mike is talking about, the fact that nunes some consider throwing a grenade into the house intel committee investigation of all this. really opens up the flood gates for the integrity of the other investigations and democrats and republicans who are interested in making sure that they get to the bottom of this. i think this investigation is really a test of the republican party s ability to hold to task a republican president. i think republicans and democrats both want to see an independent investigation. i think the senate will take the lead. i think devin nunes makes it harder for people and senators and committee to do their job. you have the top democrat and top republican coming out and having a rare joint press conference saying they will go as far as the investigation takes them. they will follow the evidence. they understand that because devin nunes has done what he has done a the house investigation has blown up in some ways, the senate will be held to a much higher standard. mike, when we think about the other information that came forward this week, in front of senator marco rubio with testimony. he was confronted with the fact during the gop primary campaign there was testimony of russia y interference and rubio a target. do we not consider its was more than the democrats that were targeted? they weren t compromised as well? that has been a lingering question all along. the suspicion is yes there was probably hack across the board. if that was the case, why are we only hearing about documents related to the dnc and the democrats targeted in what was released publicly? a lot of that goes back to the question of how much putin s hand is in this. it goes back to wikileaks and julian assange. he is not friend of hillary clinton. there is a partisan bent there. it depends on who you ask. if you ask the democrats, they will say it is partisan. that has been verified by the spy agencies at the top of the u.s. government. they do have validation. you are right. this is a much wider sweep. we have not seen things publicly. whether they drip out remains to be seen. i think we can probably look forward to seeing some of those things. of course, it is too late to effect past elections. it will be interesting. yamiche, do you think michael flynn asking for a fair prosecution and immunity, is that the wrong signal to send and one that democrats think may lead to something else? flynn being a lynchpin to unmasking or putting out in the public consumption something nefarious during the campaign. i think michael flynn asking r immunity creates more smoke. we are not sure there was a fire there. you have someone close to the president saying the only way he wants to testify is to somehow be shielded by prosecution. it begs the question what does he know and why does he feel he needs the immunity. how many people in the trump campaign knew what was going on if russia was meddling in the election and how did they use that information to their benefit? when you ask that question about whether or not we think there was a wider spread of information, in some ways, i think if you think about the fact of the foreign government making calculations about our election and 17 republican candidates and probably looking at the candidates deeply and really making political calculations every day and wondering if this is the day they need to release that information. yamiche, great to have you on. mike, great to have you on. we will continue to talk about this. coming up, neil gorsuch and the democrat lobbying other party members to confirm the supreme court nominee of president trump. that s next. in the next hour, undoing of obama era environment regulations. why are the safeguards so onerous to the trump administration? 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your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we re all business, mostly. probe. we have jackie who sits on the committee talks about the request. it would be granted by the department of justice if and only if it provided a bigger fish in terms of do ttting the and crossing the ts to get someone more critical in violating the law. i want to interrupt for a moment, congress member. a bigger fish. he was the national security adviser to the president. there are not a lot of bigger fish out there. that s right. joining me now is joel benison and former senior adviser for hillary clinton s campaign. as we hear what congress member spears said there and we know flynn was dismissed incomplete information to the vice president about his call with the russian ambassador. let go for that. so pence is technically cleared of any wrongdoing? is this all about immunity and whether or not he should be given it that would compromise something about our president? i think prosecutors or committees want to know is what does this person really have? you suddenly say i ll come in and i want immunitimmunity. they want to make sure you have something there before they give you a free pass. we know how they were talked about with the clinton campaign with the e-mail server. he constitutes immunity with a criminal act. that is the only reason you ask for that. and candidate trump and president donald trump said why do you need that immunity? that is a supposition that you are worried you could be prosecuted for something. that is absolutely the concern. there are other nuances involved. clearlyamiss here. to have the administration dig in on this. imagine with a president of the united states who said we need to get to the bottom of this. russia meddling in our election and france election. we have richard burr, the chairman of the senate committee. we know russia is meddling in france now. to have a president denying this instead of saying we need to get to the bottom of this and stop it because it is a danger to democracy is a totally different issue. both president trump and flynn raising suspicion about themselves and evnterprise by te investigation. we are 72 days in to the administration. this russia shadow. the scandal of that continues to linger. the effectiveness of the white house in trying to get things done other than executive order is faltering. how do they keep up with what they laid out on the agenda? and they have a problem. the ability to put behind them the questions of the russia investigation. it is an exacerbated by the tweeting behaviors. they are not able to put behind them the episode where he disgracefully accused his predecessor of tapping his phones. they aren t dealing with the day-to-day well on the big issues like health care or anything else. they are showing a complete lack of expertise. how you get people to work together and solutions that you can get passed and adopted and meaningful for people. there are no major accomplishments. we are coming up on 100 days. everything they put their foot into, they stepped in, inn credited of creating a rainbow or halo effect. we know speaker ryan was instrumental if whn what took p with health care and what didn t take place. this is what he said about taking control. if we don t do this, he ll just go work with democrats to try and change obamacare, and that s hardly a conservative thing. this republican congress allows the perfect to be the enemy of the good. i worry we ll push the president into working with democrats. he s been suggesting that as much. do you think democrats are open to that, joel, or is that too much of a stigma to bear at this point? democrats i think would be always open to improving health care for americans. we re the ones who covered 15 million people through obamacare. i think you saw speaker ryan shoot himself in the foot there, the notion of working with democrats, the bigger problem is not that they re willing to work with democrats, it s that they haven t been able to lead on a major policy issue and set out a cohesive argument for anything they re trying to do. they re running a campaign now and they re losing. it s trump against trump, the white house against the white house. they don t know how to lead, and with the leadership and what washington requires is leadership coming from the president. you don t just lob out to what you say you have to do. you have to have a coherent plan, bring the players together. that s how president obama worked and when he did get things done, that s how it happened. as we look ahead to what it means for ideology as opposed to compromise, the supreme court pick in neil gorsuch and the fact that there are certain democrats talking about crossing over to vote for him and this being the fact heidi hide camp has talked about this. do you think there will not be a filibuster effort from the democrats and neil gorsuch will sing through? i think right now it looks like there will be a filibuster effort. i think the whole way both parties are treating supreme court justices right now is a real risk. these folks have lifetime appointments for a reason. it s to take them out of politics. i think when senator mcconnell ten months out from an election said he wasn t even going to give a well-qualified judge, same rating as judge gorsuch, judge merrick garland, wouldn t give him a hearing, he in a toxic way infused politics into this process. i think we re now on a road to a head-on collision that i think could be very unfortunate. i think both parties need to get to the table and solve this for a long time. if we start creating a quagmire every time a supreme court justice is nominated by either party, that s a danger to our democracy. thank you, joel. appreciate it. family finances, a new report revealing the enormous wealth of ivanka trump and her husband jared kushner. a big number, great for them, beautiful couple. it does raise a lot of questions about this unpaid couple now working in the white house. back with more after this. you ll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes. priority boarding. and 50,000 bonus miles. everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. the united mileageplus explorer card. imagine where it will take you. .one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo is specifically designed to open up airways to improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. learn more about better breathing at mybreo.com. hey, you bought gas-x®! unlike antacids, gas-x ® relieves pressure and bloating fast. huh, crisis averted. i got it. i gotcha baby. 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