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the grand jury and judge in florida don't know anything with it about it, is that your point? >> yeah, that is right. i think that there is a lot to be looked into the grand jury proceedings in general are one sided. old saying. we understand that, we're not pretending that the grand jury should be like a full flown trial it is not. but what judges make historical decisions based to one side the submissions that defense attorneys don't get to challenge, to make history, and then by the way to avoid all of the appeals by rushing the witnesses in the grand jury after they get friendly ruling that smells rotten to me, that stuff i hope will be brought to the attention of the judge. mark: the idea that this is done to a former president, running for president again,
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the grand jury and judge in florida don't know anything with it about it, is that your point? >> yeah, that is right. i think that there is a lot to be looked into the grand jury proceedings in general are one sided. old saying. we understand that, we're not pretending that the grand jury should be like a full flown trial it is not. but what judges make historical decisions based to one side the submissions that defense attorneys don't get to challenge, to make history, and then by the way to avoid all of the appeals by rushing the witnesses in the grand jury after they get friendly ruling that smells rotten to me, that stuff i hope will be brought to the attention of the judge. mark: the idea that this is done to a former president, running for president again,
florida don't know anything with it about it, is that your point? >> yeah, that is right. i think that there is a lot to be looked into the grand jury proceedings in general are one sided. old saying. we understand that, we're not pretending that the grand jury should be like a full flown trial it is not. but what judges make historical decisions based to one side the submissions that defense attorneys don't get to challenge, to make history, and then by the way to avoid all of the appeals by rushing the witnesses in the grand jury after they get friendly ruling that smells rotten to me, that stuff i hope will be brought to the attention of the judge. mark: the idea that this is done to a former president, running for president again,
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who is. but it does seem that there is a real question to be asked and answered here about whether or not they are essentially rewarding and encouraging the kind of behavior that you just demonstrated in that video. >> it appears janell is freezing up for us. we'll go to fernand. fernand, one of the things that, leak, we have seen ron desantis. he's playing this game. he wants to attack woke people or whatever he can't define woke as being one way or another. but he also seems focused on lying about the impact of his actual laws. he passes laws that say you can't talk about queer people, and he's like, but it's not a book ban. he passes laws to say you can't talk about divisive subjects but he doesn't explain what divisive subjects are. i know a lot of people who don't live in florida don't understand this. how can you pass laws like this in a state that is one of the most ethnically diverse in the
mills. i've talked for seven years about the asymmetry of covering trumpism in america, something to audacious and so unmanageable that the normal ways of responding are inadequate. this seems to address that asymmetry and say, i got this. what do you think? >> i think it was extremely clever and really appreciate the naacp's guidance on this issue. you know, i just took my family to spring break in florida recently. and i think about all of the folks who travel there for sun and joy and peace and restoration. and to be reminded that actually this is getting to the point where florida is about to be terrorist state to many of us here in america. as a lesbian and a black woman, i don't want to have anything to do with the place and i think about the other people that don't want to travel there either.
>> i covered dwyane wade and his family's decision to leave the state because it felt inhospitable to his trans child. and most people in florida don't have that choice. and figuring it out if it feels hostile. some have reported on this show, they're getting calls from parents and grandparents trying to figure out how to leave the state. but what is the -- what is the way to support the people who can't leave? >> we continue to lift them up. by talking about them. as we're doing right now. and so that they know that they are not struggling in silence and struggling and no one is paying attention. the reason that ron desantis is doing this has nothing to do with his direct neighbors in florida or their well being. it has everything to do with his political ambitions on a national scale. and so continuing to keep this conversation at the forefront about the people and how young
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