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former boss, has that type of senior strategist needed at the biden campaign. joining me now is of course david plouffe, former campaign manager for barack obama's 2008 presidential race. okay, david plouffe, i know, i know you've been telling people, probably including me, for a very long time that you are retired from active campaign or. but i think we can all agree we are in an existential moment here. two presidents, hypothetically, ask you to return to campaign work, for a little while, given how existential this is. would you consider it? >> they tried, jen. no. >> no, you would not! >> well, i obviously, you know, no surprise, i talked to a lot of my former colleagues involved, they will do well whatever advice -- at the end of the day, listen, president obama, and i have been offered informed perspective on this, i think has complete confidence in the team around joe biden because
2008 campaign manager, my former boss, has that type of senior strategist needed at the biden campaign. joining me now is of course david plouffe, former campaign manager for barack obama's 2008 presidential race. okay, plouffe, i know, i know you've been telling people, probably including me, for a very long time that you are retired from active campaign or. but i think we can all agree we are in an existential moment here. two presidents, hypothetically, ask you to return to campaign work, for a little while, given how existential this is. would you consider it? >> they tried, jen. no. >> no, you would not! >> well, i obviously, you know, no surprise, i talked to a lot of my former colleagues involved, they will give well whatever advice -- at the end of the day, listen, president obama, and i have been informed perspective on this, i think has complete
day if they are going to take these up or they might let them sit for a little while and consider which questions they actually want to address because this is a very weighty matter with several questions pending before them. >> so what are those core questions? who will he face in this dispute? >> so everyone knows that at the center of this is a post civil war amendment to the constitution. the 14th amendment in a section that said an official would be barred from future office during the course of his or her ten euro sworn to uphold the constitution but then engaged in ensur recollection. what these voters have successfully argued in colorado is that donald trump should be off the ballot because of what happened on january 6th. so the core question is did he first of all does this provision apply to a president, a lower
his ability to be able to stand in the forthcoming general election. that means at the moment that they would also argue that the chances of imran khan getting out ofjail will also depend on how the military establishment are feeling towards him, how thejudiciary establishment are feeling towards him, how the judiciary are feeling towards him. on the counter narrative, if you were to speak to the government or any of those people inside the establishment, they would say this is about the rule of law, that imran khan has broken various different rules of law and that the fact he's been found guilty in this case means he should be in prison. so this is the sort of argument that is going on currently in pakistan by the end result is that although imran khan has had his jail sentence suspended in this particular case, doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be out of prison immediately, maybe not for a little while to come. find out of prison immediately, maybe not for a little while to come.— for a little while to come. and very briefl , for a little while to come. and very briefly. can — for a little while to come. and very briefly. can i _ for a little while to come. and very briefly, can i ask _ for a little while to come. and very briefly, can i ask you _ for a little while to come. and very briefly, can i ask you about - for a little while to come. and very briefly, can i ask you about his - briefly, can i ask you about his supporters? because of course we have seen over the last few months his supporters take to the streets, there have been huge demonstrations,
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you have pets with you as well. freshwater, electricity, food, how well stocked are you? >> right. very. i filled ten 5-gallon containers with drinking water. i have buckets. we filled all of the bathtubs so that of course we would be able to flush potties and that sort of thing. so, we prepared very well for it as far as food that could just be eaten quickly and that sort of thing. >> i understand you're originally from montana. you've been in florida for a little while. i know you've ridden out some other storms. you've been through hurricanes before. by all accounts, though, this could be the most intense one to hit. do you have any concerns at this hour? >> um, yeah, of course i do. i wouldn't be very smart if i didn't. it's just kind of being vigilant and watching.
legal defense for lying about his drug use on a firearm application. so mike is the co-owner of sons of liberty gun works there in texas, he's also a second amendment advocate. he's also someone i've known for a little while. he joins us now. mike at the top of this we see hunter biden is saying the second amendment's part of his defense he's owed the opportunity to purchase a gun while his dad's up there advocating to take guns away from law abiding citizen. s what do you make of that? >> he may have a reasonable defense i'm not sure of his case. but there is irony about using the second amendment when they're so openly hostile to the second amendment. this has been very tough for firearms manufactures under this administration. >> joey: speak to the hostility against the second amendment. i know that the pistol brace is something the atf has really jerked firearm manufacturers like yourself and most importantly owners around about. >> yeah, millions of people woke
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we'll we'll see what happens on wednesday. chad burger, um there on capitol hill. thanks very much. my pleasure. so you heard the speaker of the house. so there is an agreement in principle to avoid default and get a deal to you know, we lift the debt ceiling. president biden and the speaker managed to come up with that deal sometime today. but we don't know what's in it yet. we won't for a little while yet. as soon as we do you hear about it first first on fox news channel. i'm jon scott in new york. >> i'm not a trump fan, but i was when he was an entertainer. i'm not a joe biden fan. and i'm a registered democrat. i don't want to make it a thing of his age. i am seeing some things i feel is not good for leading this country. whoever leads for both parties, i hope they focus on the country
will not consider him for support this cycle. 55% say that about asa hutchinson and chris sununu. and you see all the way down there even mike pence, and this is his overall problem -- 45% of republicans and leaners say they won't consider him. so, pence has sort of a divided republican party in sort of whether they would consider support. >> yeah, that is really fascinating. so, david, the other part of this is about the money. and obviously, that is not everything in the world of politics. but it is significant in this era of the billion dollar campaign. so, weary former president trump and ron desantis stack up in the money race? >> abby, we should be clear, before we get into these numbers, that both of these men are going to have the money to go the distance. they are very proven fundraisers. and take a look here. desantis has $30 million in a super pac, never back down. they have only been up and running for a little while here. and they have raised $30 million already.