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by the time republicans in the keep favor in abortion there are no republicans left. ohio makes seven a no vote is pro-abortion. she is right to point out that the states, even conservative states are taking these referendums and voting that way, josh. and it is a canary in the coal mine on that issue. >> look, abortion is a tough issue for republicans and frankly a lot of republicans haven't figured out how to message the issue. there are many americans who support restrictions on abortion but when you kind of have an all or nothing choice like you did in ohio, certainly it was sort of a proxy for that. that debate, you're going to have a hard time getting the pro-life side represented. also, this is -- voters generally want to keep the status quo. no matter what the issue is. and i think it's hard to win a referendum when you are actually changing the constitutional laws of ohio. >> bret: seeing this result, francesca, seeing kansas' result, i bet you see vice president harris and president biden on abortion a lot more. >> well, and you have seen vice president harris out there on this in the 2022 midterms her
oligarchs. you know, i don't think these denials are passing the credibility test, bret. and, look, when there is smoke, there is a fire. there is a lot of smoke here. and republicans are trying to do a lot of digging connecting president biden, at least payments, try figure out whether there are actual payments or transfers to president biden himself. i think it's going to be tough to prove that and it's going to be tough to actually have a sort of a y quid pro quo there. the question is whether the republicans will have the political unity to pursue any kind of impeachment inquiry. whether they're going to take the next step to really put the political pressure on the white house. >> bret: it's interesting, the white house, first of all the payments by the russian oligarch, we have got a graphic kind of showing where it's going. francesca, the white house is pretty they have to walk back some of the statements even today's the way the president talks about it. he is not asked about it except from us. and it wasn't really a lot to be
argued out as he's president; right? >> it would be. again, more uncharted constitutional territory. >> neil: i know. >> yes, you would have a situation where the president represented by his own department of justice, his own solicitor general would be arguing before the united states supreme court that this pardon was valid. i think one other interesting question is how a lawsuit like that would ever emerge? in other words, who would bring a lawsuit challenging his own pardon? there are all sorts of complicated questions about who could even bring a lawsuit, challenging a presidential pardon like that. all of that will get sorted out by the supreme court, if that day ever arises. >> neil: man oh man oh man. tom, you are the best. appreciate it. >> thanks, neil. >> neil: francesca is joining us usa today white house correspondent. francesca, back to the other legal issues that are maybe bubbling up for president biden, regarding his son hunter, obviously republicans want this expanded and maybe given this collapsed plea deal this past week it will be expanded. justice department investigation will be expanded, if there's a special counsel, then everyone
is at a record high and paid its shows that almost 2005000 households were living in temporary accommodation and i 111,000 of those households now live in hotels and bed and breakfasts and 131,000 children are numbers of those households. these figures represent the highest scene at a of a century let's talk about this for the next few minutes and let's talked to francesca, director of policy for social change at the homeless charity crisis and thank you for being here on the programme ended in terms of the basic headlines numbers, your assessment stop you what we've seen rising numbers of people trapped in temporary accommodation that has reached a record high. find accommodation that has reached a record high-— accommodation that has reached a record hiuh. �* ., �* , ., record high. and we haven't been for several decades _ record high. and we haven't been for several decades and _ record high. and we haven't been for several decades and more _ record high. and we haven't been for several decades and more recently, l several decades and more recently, we have seen a huge hike and in many
attacking him for that. >> chris cristi is. >> chris cristi doesn't count because he doesn't have a chance to win. i'm talking about the candidate to have a shot. none of them are attacking trump. they are all waiting. it is weird. they are waiting for something to happen to trump. >> i think it is a mistake to dismiss them too early in the process. >> says who? chris cristi? >> all of these candidates. all of these candidates. >> francesca's tim scott in third place in this poll and they just announced a $40 million ad campaign. that's the largest book by any candidate so far. if one proceeds desantis is being stuck and i'm not saying i do, but you think there is an opening here? >> he certainly has a lot of resources to be able to continue to compete and that is
so if voters find ted cruz more appealing than you, then you should probably be reevaluating things. i'm not opposed to a third party, but in theory, i don't think that is the party. and i certainly don't think joe manchin, who is a democrat, i know he doesn't want labels, but he is a democrat, there is a danish to his name. i don't think he should be running as a third party against joe biden. >> i saw what you did there. that not labeled thing, that was really good. francesca, i know, i know francesco, i know you are excited to watch this no labels town hall this weekend. i bet you've got your ticket. the popcorn is buttered and you're ready. >> yes, me and all my little, another oligarchs, we will gather together and which our boy go out there for the status quo ends, hell yeah.
say that he can do no wrong and will vote for him no matter what he does or says per is accused of oregon for. so that is something -- i cannot see this getting off the ground. but i have been wrong a several times before, several of my friends will pointed out. i don't see it getting off the ground. >> it will -- >> i'm going to say no to german shun. >> what was that, francesca? >> i'm being told we are out of time. i just think it's incredible that this party is even, that it a can even come up. that we can have something like this in the first place. anyway, -- >> we'll see, stay tuned. jason and francesca, thank you so much for being with us this evening. i appreciate it. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.
i don't see it getting off the ground. >> it will -- >> i'm going to say no to german shun. >> what was that, francesca? >> i'm being told we are out of time. i just think it's incredible that this party is even, that it a can even come up. that we can have something like this in the first place. anyway, -- >> we'll see, stay tuned. jason and francesca, thank you so much for being with us this evening. i appreciate it. we'll be right back.
and i certainly don't think joe manchin, who is a democrat, i know he doesn't want labels, but he is a democrat, there is a danish to his name. i don't think he should be running as a third party against joe biden. >> i saw what you did there. that not labeled thing, that was really good. francesca, i know, i know francesco, i know you are excited to watch this no labels town hall this weekend. i bet you've got your ticket. the popcorn is buttered and you're ready. >> yes, me and all my little, another oligarchs, we will gather together and which our boy go out there for the status quo ends, hell yeah. this is the thing about the no
rigour because there are entirely without blame, but it will be scrutinised with a great deal of rigour because there's so much more to this story than we have yet heard from the beginning, it is been marked by an absence of facts and conducted throughout this crisis in an atmosphere of smoke and mirrors and i hope we are now getting somewhere near or to some clarity and that will be in the interest of all concerned.— and that will be in the interest of all concerned. . ,, , ., , . all concerned. thank you very much. a former bbc _ all concerned. thank you very much. a former bbc executive _ all concerned. thank you very much. a former bbc executive and - all concerned. thank you very much. a former bbc executive and currentl a former bbc executive and current principles of south college of durham university. it's going to francesca, associate at hodge johnson allen, criminal defence solicitor, thank you very much for joining us in if we can talk through some of the legal implications for we have been hearing today and in the statement the river from south wales police, further inquiries but, there is no evidence that criminal offences have been committed and just unpack for us, what that means