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class= nosel > div class= colspacer > div class= gutr > mercedes making payments on that mercedes, the defense wolf for its part, has been arguing all along that there was no wrongdoing, that there were no bribes in some ways, the senator and his wife lived separate lives and also that any money that nadine menendez may have received was alone. now we re gonna be hearing more of this he witnessed jose uribe when he continues to take the stand on monday. well so how long do you think jason this trial is going to continue? sorry about that well-fed to new york busy street bus going by, repeat that. how long do we expect the trial to continue sure. well, the trial is already been going on for about four weeks and we re expecting this trial to last for several more weeks before it s concluded. so may sometime by the end of the month or the beginning of the next month, when nay deans trial is also expected to get underway. jason carroll in new york for us, jason, thank you very much. i m wolf blitzer in this situation room. thanks. very very much for watching the news continues next on sienna he s d-day trip to france with his host and emmanuel macron just ahead, we ll find out what s likely to be on the agenda and the two leaders meet in paris later today. harrowing accounts from ukrainian pows and those forcibly deported to russia will speak with an officer of a global advocacy campaign determined to help tell this stories dozens killed following the sudanese of militia attack when a village south of the capital civil war rages and the sudanese army is valid retribution the u.s. and french presidents to sit to showcase the long-standing relationship between the countries in the hours ahead, emmanuel macron will play host to joe biden with a parade precession in paris and a state dinner it s coming on the heels of the 80th anniversary of d-day. and a day after mr. biden met with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy in paris where he apologized for months of delay delivering us military aid when mr. biden also went to point the hook, the site of a brutal battles during the d-day invasion japan in world war ii. he used it as a backdrop to send a message about threats to democracy, saying that s what us soldiers died four in normandy we re not asking us to give or risk our lives but they re asking us to care for others and our country more than ourselves they re not asking us to do their job. they re asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time to defend democracy for more on this, cnn international diplomatic editor nick robinson joins us now live from london. nick tell us the reaction to biden s speech and also his apology to president zelenskyy about the delay of us funds and weapons this is a speech that really was designed to resonate with a us audience. in particular, appealing to the young and they re sort of need to recognize the threats that exist to the democracy that the world war ii vets 44 and therefore, they will probably need to step up to that challenge during their lifetime. there was that there was really a message there that isolationism doesn t work. that was perhaps a domestic message to republicans and donald trump who perhaps will seek to cut ties with nato partners, which is something that has a lot of concern in europe. but this was a message really that was intended for a domestic audience. but the message for president zelenskyy was that one that you heard an apology there? president zelenskyy for his part. also spoke about the importance of the political challenges in the united states to him, saying that bipartisan support is important. and our meeting here is, we re symbolic. it s very important that you stay with us this bipartisan support with the congress. it s very important that in this unit, united states america, all american people stay with ukraine, like it was during world war ii now says helped to save human lives, to save your this is really the big message that s come across through the weekend of commemorations or the week of commemorations of d-day because it s analogous with what s happening today. and that s something president zelenskyy, border president macrons brought up. president biden two a nicaea. we know that prison biden, he s meeting with his hosts, emmanuel macron in the coming hours, we followed by a state dinner. this is obviously a very resilient relationship, but there are differing opinions amongst these two liters especially with the war in gaza with the war in gaza in particular president macron has been much more of an advocate for an immediate ceasefire and a pressure for that. he would like to see united states put greater pressure on israel to bring that about. there are differences over ukraine as well. president macron, when you met with president zelenskyy yesterday, one of the things they discussed was a coalition of trainers military trainers from nato nations to be placed actually inside ukraine to train ukrainian forces are when president macron has mentioned that in the past, the united states has been very careful to say that s not a position they have at the moment president macron will be very mindful of the fact that the next time he meets a precedent on us, on french soil, it could be president donald trump again, remembering that went donald trump came into office. president macron hosted m and carefully tried to build hold that relationship, but it was still very bumpy and difficult and for president macron, there s a clear recognition that an isolationist united states, which is something that donalds, a donald trump presidency could bring leads, leaves, countries like france and germany and the uk very much in the lead and alone and supporting ukraine. and that will undoubtedly be somewhat of the conversation as they discuss those jaw challenges have peace in the middle east and how to bring stability to ukraine. but more importantly, for macron, what can be sealed in any deals now with a bite inside a biden presidency that can lost an enduring during the next american presidency nic robertson, joining us from london. thank you new developments in israel, hamas war, first-day key member of israel s war cabinet could quit today. benny gantz has threatened to leave the cabinet and the government and says he ll take his party with him. we ll have more on that in just a moment. or meanwhile, the united nations is adding the israeli military, hamas and palestinian islamic jihad to a blacklist of groups that harm children gaza s ministry of health says more than 15,000 palestinian children have been killed in the israel-hamas war. israel denies deliberately targeting civilians. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu posted this on social media. you when put itself today on histories blacklist, when it adopted the absurd claims of hamas, the idf is the most moral military in the world and no flat earth decision by the un secretary general can change that. also on friday, israel struck several locations across gaza, including school. will gaza civil defense says that the school was being used as a shelter for displaced palestinians three people were killed israel says it used precise munitions to target a container on the school grounds that hamas was using next week, us secretary of state antony blinken is heading to the middle east. next week to increase pressure for a ceasefire and hostage release deal. cnn s paula hancocks has more now on benny gantz s threat to leave israel s war cabinet. and the government saturday, june 8 is the de, that the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu may find himself even more isolated, both domestically and internationally. it is the self pose deadline that benny gantz, the former defense minister and a key member of the war cabinet, and gave himself, he gave conditions to benjamin netanyahu saying that if those conditions weren t met on june 8th, he would walk away from the coalition. he wanted a definite plan on how to get the hostages back. he wanted to know so what the day after plan was from netanyahu, and he wanted to know how he was going to calm the situation on the northern border so that tens of thousands of residents could move back there. now these conditions have not been met. we do understand that us officials have tried to persuade gantz not to walk away at this point because they how concerned about what that could mean for the hostage ceasefire deal. that is according to us officials, familiar with those conversations, we don t know. however, whether that has had any bearing on what gantz will do. so at 8:40 p.m. local time on saturday night, he will make an announcement and decide whether or not he is going to be walking away from that cohen religion now if he does decide to walk away, it doesn t mean the coalition collapses because netanyahu s still has a majority, although it is a slimmer majority, what it does mean is that netanyahu is a lot more isolated with gantz out of the war cabinet and couldn t make decisions more difficult within that key war cabinet as well. and it comes just days before the us secretary of state antony blinken is coming back to the region. we know who we meeting with egypt, qatar, and also were israel trying to push this hostage deal forward? paula hancocks, cnn, jerusalem the american economy looks strong. it s creating more jobs than expected. so why is wall street less than in foods will take a look plus the lavish gifts strips, and a book deals going to us supreme court justices. what new filings are revealing coming the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher. biden. democracy is on the bow of your freedom is on the ballot. trump, there is nothing we can do i do we will make america powerful again, the president and the former president once day two, very different visions for america s future. the weight only cnn can bring it to you, moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn 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in may, far more than expected and american workers earning more as well with wage growth coming in stronger than expected. average hourly earnings. and now up for 0.1% on the year outpacing inflation on the flip side unemployment rose to 4% for the it s time in over two years ryan patel is a senior fellow at the drucker school of management, it claremont graduate university. he s joining us via skype from los angeles. ryan, always good to see you tell us, what do these numbers say about the us economy? confusion i guess, right? you re looking for these reports to come out and say, this is the direction that the economy is going but the number is kinda show both pictures where unemployment kinda continuous rise wage growth rises, but jobs are actually increased as well. so what i mean by that, what it means is that looking at the federal reserve, so they can do choose, decide to decrease interest rates. but this jobs report does not help the case. it also shows a painted picture that is divided on both sides and so i don t want the word is confusion, i guess for those looking from the outside, looking in, and it means that the fed, the federal reserve will continue to pulled pat on not decrease in interest rate because the numbers are not still fighting an inflation as it wants to these 272,000 jobs added. i mean, the numbers are misleading as you say, because of the way that the surveys are conducted, payroll obviously focuses on large companies, but the broader household surveys suggest that unemployment is ticking up so why are they not aligned well, i think also there s a couple of things capturing. think about these surveys how they re capturing it, where they re capturing at what time is it being captured? i also think the gig worker is not being captured in this as well, people choosing not to come back into the workforce there s another thing. so where do you categorize those types of folks in those and also companies choosing, think about small businesses if wages starting to go up, they re going to have less employees on w2, which means that they re going to probably go contract or roles and so that gets reported differently as well. and then you think about some of these industry trees where you think of that job growth out of that report, it was health care government, leisure and hospitality these are consistent with the trends that are growing where the other sectors or not and then there is this, i guess confusion on the stock market you ve got the magnificent seven. are these big companies outperforming, making record profits? they re hiring obviously remains strong with small to medium enterprises suffering yeah. no, i think it was clear in this report in the last couple of reports that small businesses are struggling. i think when you mentioned that magnificent seven, you have to call out nvidia of this the record growth big head, and that s holding the market, i would say and the word ai for a couple of those amd and others are pulling the market up so that trend goes hot brings the market go up. now, mind you when the market goes down and typically who are those, who would the tech talks are taking the town with them. is these very, very sudden that you mentioned. so i think that s where you see the market, but i think small businesses are really feeling it because of wages are becoming more expensive. supply chain cost to goods are expensive and i think that s part of why i think though the biden white house is trying to before the before the white house, before the november election, to do more at the consumer level where they can keep the consumer spending at a high. and so it d be interesting to see what happens next. employments is strong. i mean, that suggests that the economy is in good shape, but i guess not everybody is feeling that. and then you mentioned prison of biden. i mean, this is a big problem. him ceiling. he s economic performance, the strength of the economy because inflation is hurting poor people the most yeah, you ve got the economic fundamentals. you see the numbers and you look at the back end. and then when you see where prices of increased in what parts of the country, what types of dimmer demographics it turns to be when you see these numbers that you see your bank account, i think the word they d been using as vibes. you don t feel that you re getting the economic benefit out of what the market is doing. and i think for president biden is uphill battle for him to face these type of vibes or feelings that people are feeling because they re not spending as much even though consumer spending overall has been there, but that doesn t mean with all the difference from groups that are there and even certain companies and they are sitting on the sideline holding cash instead of investing it. furthermore, because they don t, they re still not sure where the market is and things are expensive because of industries being high. so people are not taking loans out. there are waiting and waiting to see when that occurs. and so it does cause his buildup. where you see shelter prices, rent increase in wages don t always keep up with that. and so it is interesting the dilemma that the president, president biden the white house needs to be talking about the rhetoric has been interesting and it hasn t been really working when it comes to somethings exit polls and surveys and then i guess the biggest question in the markets is when will the fed cut rates? and i guess that s not going to happen while employment remained strong i with you now, the market the market wants as of today, the market thought over 60% of the trend or the guesses were that they mark the future market was saying that they were going to see a wake rate cut in september well, we ll find out next week when the fed meets, when what the rhetoric looks like. but i can tell you this i d be hard pressed to think that they re gonna make a cut in september, right before election. and if they did is 25 basis point. no, that doesn t mean very much. and that would mean that they would start cutting it down as of today. i don t see them doing that based on the data that we have. things can change until september, but it seems like maybe we ll get a rate cut by the end of the year and then going into next year, have a better plan, but to me it doesn t look good for september, even though the market, future markets are saying it s still over 50% chance that occur. but i think it s still coming down that percentage when we get closer. my money is on ryan patel, any day of the week, right. to tell oa or pleasure, love with his speak to you appreciate you. thank you. when you financial disclosure forms filed by us supreme court justices are revealing the lavish gifts. some of them have received from a vacation in bali to be on-site tickets sent by the superstar herself. scene ends. bryan todd takes a closer look. conservative supreme court justice clarence thomas finally discloses one of his controversial trips, a 2019 trip to bali, indonesia, paid for by republican megadonor harlan crow. that vacation was at the center of controversy surrounding travel by thomas and his wife, ginni, the investigative news outlet propublica report what did last year that thomas and his wife accepted luxury trips and gifts from crow for decades, most of which went unreported on thomas s financial disclosures. thomas is reporting of that bali trip was among several new financial disclosures by the justices published friday among them for tickets to a beyond say, concert last year, that the pop star gave to liberal justice, ketanji brown, jackson. the gift was not illegal or unethical under the court s rules, justices are required to report gifts over a certain amount, about $400. they have to report them. and in this case, these tickets were worth more than about $4,000. so that s why they were reported a supreme court s spokeswoman referencing an early hit song by bianna, say, since cnn, a statement saying, quote, justice jackson is crazy in love with bianna music, who isn t jackson also reported that she received artwork valued at more than $12,000 from artists lonnie holley and dr. kathy girls ross, the justices new disclosures of book deals are also raising some eyebrows. jackson, a liberal justice who s the first african american woman on the court, received a payment from a publisher last year for almost $900,000 conservative justice neil gorsuch reported book royalty income of $250,000. fellow conservative but if brett kavanaugh, who is writing a memoir, listed a payment for $340,000. justices are allowed to have some outside income, but most of their outside income is kept around $30,000. except you do not have to have a limit on book royalties and fees. so these justices who signed these multi-million dollar contracts are not subject to any cap and they can make as much as they can from these book deals. but critics say all of this as well as the recent reporting that conservative justice samuel alito and his wife flew flags at their homes that were also flown by january 6, rioters doesn t present the best optics for the court alito had previously drawn criticism for going on a luxury fishing trip on the private jet of a conservative hedge fund manager, a trip that was not initially disclosed. there is a crisis of confidence of the supreme court. it starts with their jurisprudence, but it clearly continues with their ethical issues these new disclosure reports are the first of their kind to be issued since last fall when the supreme court adopted a code of conduct for the first time in its history that was in response to the travel scandals but ethics watchdog groups and some democratic lawmakers are skeptical of the new code because it doesn t contain any enforcement mechanism. bryan todd, cnn, washington well voter is are casting their ballots in slovakia today for elections to see the next european parliament. well, this is video of people voting earlier in the capital bratislava, 27 european union countries, a holding elections over 84 day period. the czech republic in ireland voted friday, but most will go to the polls on sunday to make choices that will shape the blocks political direction for the next five years. will cnn s barbie nadeau has more on what s at stake in this round of elections this concludes this unique transnational democratic exercise. the world is a very different place since european parliamentary elections were held back at 20:19 a global pandemic two major wars, including one in europe and the subsequent rise in energy costs farmers frustrated by eu red tape and cheap imports dumping manure in brussels a worsening climate with activists attacking cultural gems from paris to venice and a cost of living crisis are all among the issues facing europe s 373 million eligible voters these elections are the second largest in the world after india. and considerably bigger than the upcoming american vote. leinz, nine amendments by the comments are responsible as a blog voters in favor between june 6 and ninth, voters in 27 european countries will choose the 720 lawmakers to shape an increasingly only splintered europe for the next five years. your van elections are important because in eu member countries nowadays, a lot of important strategic decisions are taken at the european level this is why the election of the european parliament, which is the only directly elected body of europe, is so important policy making in europe is more complex and the election of the european parliament is only part of that as a result, usually we record the lower turnout than in national elections. recreating a functioning parliament when europe is making a hard rightward shift, won t be easy the first difficult task of the parliament is choosing the president of the european commission with the current president center right german ursula von der leyen, leading most polls for the incumbent to win. she has to slalom between her center right european people s party and the increasingly popular far-right parties of giorgia meloni and marine le pen to secure the newly elected parliaments support. you are preparing to work together with the ecr with that s not what i ve said. i might want to be very clear. this is not what i ve said. okay. i m speaking about members of the european parliament. i want to see where the group themselves and then we work with a groups that are clearly clearly pro-european approach ukraine against food. and for the rule of law, a far-right with more members could greatly influence how europe deals with political priorities like how to share the burden of irregular migration and what exactly to do about artificial intelligence and regulating big tech against a more assertive china and the united states. the european union will need the parliament to set a clear path but with balancing the wide-ranging needs of voters against 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explore how to use their voices effectively from the outside it s kind of like an underground railroad. when i was having questions about when it seemed like i cannot work on this anymore but what do i do? stacy gilbert, who worked at the state department for more than 20 years so she turned to members of the group when she was considering resigning now she wants to help those who are fighting the system from within, if we can be a resource to help others find their voice find a way to try to affect some policy change that would be useful and gilbert and the others who have left the us government in protest, like alec smith resigned from usaid last month, are also in public events and statements to shed light on all they ve seen. know that i m no longer at usa and i can speak publicly and loudly about what is actually happening on the ground in gaza then i can try to get attention pointed towards me, but people who are suffering there now, gilbert s resignation came after her office at the state department, which focuses on global humanitarian crises, found that israel was impeding the delivery of humanitarian aid into gaza only for the final version of the report to say that israel was not to blame what are the implications of a report like this for the us government, global? fully to say it undermines our credibility is an understatement and for this report to say conditions in gaza dangerous, and these organizations don t have the capacity is just patently false. it is absolutely dangerous. and it is difficult to do the work but these organizations can do it. they are not being allowed to do it. the state department says it stands by its final report. we want to hear their opinions. we want to hear the expertise that they bring to bear, but ultimately it is the president, the secretary, other senior officials that make the decisions about what the policy of the united states out of beep. but gilbert says that many of her colleagues still working on the biden administration s policy and are seeing the death toll of innocent palestinians rise. harberger, same frustrations and continue urging policy changes from within. if i were the only one who thought this way, i would stay in the government. but you re confident they ll continue to have a loosely absolutely. and i will be a voice for them on the outside, but i really am i am determined to do all i can to help from the outside because it s it s very, very hard doing this on the inside now, these former officials say they expect resignations and dissent from within to continue. and one thing we ll be watching to see is if the pressure that president biden and his administration are putting on prime minister benjamin netanyahu to come to a ceasefire agreement, can do anything to quell this mounting descent, this mounting frustration, but from our conversations with these former officials, it would actually take the biden administration cutting off the flow of us weaponry to israel in order to do that, kylee atwood, cnn, the state department a horrifying state. that s how ukraine is describing the condition of some of its prisoners of war released by russia. a little over a week ago, ukrainian officials say some of them suffered severe weight loss during captivity and endured beatings or ukrainian government body in charge of pows, even made comparisons with nazi concentration camps meanwhile, president zelenskyy says time is running out for ukrainian children taken by russia to be brought home kyiv estimates that some 20,000 children suffered that fate the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for president vladimir putin over those deportations for more, we re joined by christina scooter and advocacy manager for where are our pupil? well, that s an ngo trying to uncover force deportations of ukrainians during the war. and she speaking to us from k christina, good to see you. we have seen some horrific images of these pows, these skeletal frames severely malnourished. what other pows saying about the way they would treat it by the russians? good morning, everyone. good morning. thank you for all paying so much attention to ukraine and this topic because this is extremely important, actually, what these people are telling civilian hostages that were back from russia and keep e-tivity. this is just hearable if you saw the pictures, you just can t the small piece of what s going on with those people in the activity. the main thing is that the russia has no more. they don t care about any international law or any international court issue. an even this warranty, you you are talking about now previously, doesn t mean anything to them because they have lot inside the russian federation, they don t have to follow any, any international court issue or any international law. so they have only their law inside the russian federation and actually, i ve been talking to those people or civilian hostages the web back from russian activity and these are really heartbreaking stories. for example, i m just be very brief with one women story that broke my heart she was the wife of actual military of ukrainian armed forces and her neighbors told it to russian soldiers, chose, she was captured like a civilian hostage. she was in a slavery in russian federation for eight months. she was raped multiple times, and she was doing the work from very early morning to late early evening. and the only reason she survived in came back from this slavery was one of those hostages also with hershey. he was like official governor with it local governor and he eight months he got the phone and was able to call one of his officials that he knew in russian federation i mean he came and took them all. so that was the only reason she survived. and this is like the small story. i can you know, right now, we don t know even how many hostages, civilian hostages are in russian federation, but we are talking 20,000 plot some of the like lawyers are telling me that they have 65,000 civilian hostages. they are building even new our presence in crimea because there is no place to get those. all this hostages. there is no place to keep them. so they need more presence of course. if i can just jump in, let s talk about the children what are they saying about bedtime and russia? okay. all those children that came back and this is for the moment is 386 children that we were able to return between almost 20,000 that we know the names off. and actually russian federation is selling that they took 744,000 of ukrainian kidnapped. but the star is almost the same when they work by russia, they were told the de of parents refused from them that they, their families don t need them, that now they are russian. they need to talk crusher russian language. they need to be, they will be happy in russia so. get telling them they will bring them all to russian federation. two and b they re going to be adopted by russian families and there they are happy life is waiting for them all. in there. and also they are like, i mean, i want all i would view tourists and everybody to understand. russia does not need ukrainian they need just knew soldiers in their future wars. so that s what they are doing. two ukrainian kids and also they are filling the demographic the russians have ever least to some children though, christina, why are they doing this? and do they see children as a bargaining chip? yes. and no because this is not an accident. this is what the planned from the very beginning. so there is a few reasons they are doing this because first of all, they want to they want to fulfill the demographic gap, the have inside the russian federation and the the second thing they, they just i don t know if you ever heard about military children camps, what they created this russian know-how. i mean, they put ukrainian kids to those military camps from six till 16-years-old and they train them to be a soldiers. so nowadays, the children that were in donbass in 2014 when all this started in ukraine right? now, the are fighting against ukraine being the part of russian federation army this is already a war crime, which is we are pointing on when we are talking to all our international partners and all our so we are trying to point this because this is why they at tricking crane and kids okay. christina, as gouda will have to live it there, but we thank you for the work that you re doing and for bringing this very important story to launch, stay with cnn. we ll be right back. sometimes the best thing you can do with intelligence share it with your adversary. if his secret is betrayed, its bullet to the back of the hand secrets a nuclear game sunday at ten on cnn detects this living with hiv. craig learned, you can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that s why he switched to nevado. divider was a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetected well, 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class= nosel > div class= colspacer > div class= gutr > that is it for us, thank you so much for watching. remember, if your friends are busy tonight, had a hot date, you and can watch the nightcap tomorrow night, saturday at 11:00. he s turn right here on msnbc. for now i am signing off and on that note i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me, i will see you tomorrow. i think back and i go, this was such a senseless murder. and why diane? why, when she was ready to start a brand-new life? i will never know that answer. spectacles kept coming. hi diane, it s 2:00, just making sure you are here today. at 2:00 it was too late. simone have killed her. we had her body at the scene, that was all. she had a fiance. they argued a lot. we had our ups and downs, no question. and a coworker with a crush. he was an odd character. i was always very spoiled lead to her. everybody was suspect. then the break. tips from other women. he wanted to get me in there and i didn t budge and all of the bells were going off. i jumped in my car and took off. i felt i had dodged a bullet. the who was frightening, but the y was much worse. in my wildest rooms i would have never imagined something like this could even exist we you certainly had a motive. yes, we did. it was the afternoon of november the 15th, austin, texas, 4:00 p.m. something ominous in the air. suddenly, the familiar feel of it against the skin, comping. something big. they did tell us on the news, if you don t have to go out tonight, don t, because we are going to get relentless reins. and then the sky overhead turned dark, like midnight in the afternoon. when stuff like that is pitch black out and you have the fear of tornadoes. sure enough, so the announcers on tv, twisters had been spotted heading towards the city, including northwest. diane lived in the northwest and i called her i said, hey, girl, they just said there is a tornado heading in your direction, and she said my direction? and she s like, i don t know what to do. i ve never been in a tornado. so, she was kind of freaked out? she was very freaked out. then the ferocious rain and heavy wind, the thick funnel clouds dipped around the city. the next morning, a friday. it was all over. friends checked on friends. but no one could reach diane. the freaked out one. diane holik work from home, for ibm. that morning, so unlike her. she missed the conference call. hi diane, it is to:00. i am just checking to make sure you are safe. all day, phone calls from ibm and friends went to voicemail. diane, hey, this is sharon, i was going to see if you are going to show up tonight or not. she didn t. i got to the club and i was waiting, and she didn t come, she didn t come, and i spent all of my time wondering when she was going to show up. had she been caught in the storm? had her house been hit? a coworker called the police. they cruised over to diane s neighborhood and found her big house unscathed. they. through windows, the security key. they went upstairs. there, all but hidden behind a guest room bed, they found diane. someone had killed her. i actually had a scream of some sort, just like, you can t it is not true. that is not what happened, that is not diane. but of course it was. diane holik, 43 years old, suddenly the unlikely center of a strange and disturbing mystery, and a most unlikely victim, murdered. absolutely lived life with gusto. she was a vivacious, beautiful woman. reporter: lynn had a known diane since the 90s when they started working together at ibm. she let her friends, she let her family. we would vacation together. we would have so much fun and just laugh and laugh and laugh. well, a lot of things we like to do altogether was we hit the clubs a lot. lots of dancing. lots of dancing. diane met anita and cheyenne cooper at the ladies room of an austin bar. she was in there, she said oh, you have cowboy boots, you must know where country barn is. we said yeah, i do. our best friend is coming and we are going to go when she gets here. and she said cool, i m going to go with y all. first time i had ever met her, never seen her before. she was in town for 3 weeks. diane said well, not just for the club, so she gets into the truck where her clothes are and starts pulling at something western and starts putting it on right there in the parking lot. she was crazy. she was throwing things on that she was stripped right there in the parking lot. right there in the parking lot. we danced all night long, she was having a blast, so happy that she had met the two of us, because she said, now i have me some dancing buddies. so magnetic. which, said her colleague, helped make her a fine recruiter for ibm. i would center off to colleges, and these kids, they would just gravitate to her. she had a personality that just stood out. and her attitude? endlessly adventurous. one time i remember sending her off to do a recruiting trip, and she got out there and they were doing a balloon fest, and she called me up and said, i need half a day off. and i said why? she said, i m jumping in a balloon and going. she would always test the edges with you? always, yes. she would throw all kinds of parties at her house and invite everyone she knows. so, they may not know each other, but everybody knew her? yes. yes. and she was great, she just loved having all of these wonderful people around her. in any room, any crowd, diane was the lure, especially to men. it was never a problem going out with her, because she was like a magnet for all of us. yeah. there was always been around when diane was there. always. so there were. now she was dead. and the one thing that seemed obvious, there is that second floor bedroom, what happened to diane for the mark of a man. coming up, a killer is calm and cool as he is coldhearted. you commit the act of murder, and then you leave, you don t want to get caught, the that person didn t do it. that, in itself was odd. someone close to diane? 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(energizing music) i got a page from the supervisor in homicide saying that a woman had been found deceased in her home in northwest austin. narrator: detectives tracey gerrish and eric de los santos i got a page from the supervisor and homicide, saying that the woman had been deceased in her home in northwest boston. detectives tracy garrett i long since learned that if didn t tell them much. but when diane was murdered? we had the body, and that was all in the beginning. they looked for evidence of forced entry, there was none. the doors were locked and windows were attacked. either the killer knew her, or she let the person in. in any event it certainly didn t look like a robbery turned deadly. she still had her watch on, she still had a tennis bracelet on, and she had a charm that was in her hair that had obviously been on that was not around her neck. she also had some money that was sticking out of her pocket. so, maybe diane s body would tell them the story. the killer had hidden her under a bedspread. it appeared that she had been strangled, a ligature mark around her neck. it could have been a rope, it could have been one of those flecks fans that you used to exercise. clearly not somebody s had? clearly. what about her eyes and her face? was there any sign there? she definitely had in the eyes sign strangulation. she appeared to have a bruise on her cheek. it was like a rubbing type of a bruise on her cheek and she had four of them on her stomach. rubbing type of ruse? as if you are being dragged across the carpet and it was a rug burn. they discovered sponges of lipstick and mascara on the carpet. we also found a spot of urine, where her body would have been, had she been strangled. so, we knew something that happened there at that particular spot. she must have been killed there. and behind the bed where they found her body, was there any indication that she had been sexually assaulted in any way? no. her clothes weren t messed up. there was nothing indicating that she had been fighting, she had no scratch marks on her neck. why didn t she try to defend herself? so, as we continue to look at the body we notice some red marks on her wrist. that was interesting, because you don t usually see that. there was no ties, there was no rope, there is no tape around her in the room. just red marks. just red marks. little red marks that look, somehow familiar. it looks like two parallel lines, and then perpendicular to those lines were little lines , probably a 16th of an inch apart. i ve seen these marks before, sometimes on the flex ties that we use. ties. zip tied binder. but then he would have cut them off afterwards. he obviously cut them off afterwards, and we knew that immediately. detective santos s mind went to the darkest of places. diane must have been restrained with those zip ties, helpless, terrified as she watched her killer preparing the ligature and put it around her neck. what kind of horror did you go through? what was going through your head? after she was dead, the killer must have stayed for a while, carefully erasing any sign of his or her presence. so, that in and of itself was odd, that doesn t happen. you commit the act of murder and then you leave, you are scared, you want to get out of there, you don t want to get caught. this person that we didn t know, if they were male or female, didn t do that. with this person? so deliberate, so cold-blooded. this was no straightforward case, nothing simple about it. i probably didn t sleep for 72 hours. as they chased down their endless questions. so, what does that leave you with? was it a targeted killing? the one who is angry with her? those were all possibilities. most of the time you are going to be killed by someone you know. sometimes it is someone you know very well. and of course, we are all familiar with domestic violence, so, you know, we want to see who is in the immediate inner circle of her life? diane s friends, they learned, she had been married years before, but had spent most of her adult life as a single woman and happily so. until she changed her mind. she left her single life, and she loved her independence, but an interesting thing happened when she had 40. she decided, i need a partner, i need somebody like my friends have. i wanted marriage, i want the things they have. so, diane set out to find a mate. with the help of the dating service, it s just lunch. and pretty soon she met a divorced father of two, named dennis connolly. i think they truly, immediately had a chemistry. i think they were in love. he was a successful businessman, he was handsome, he took her everywhere, and that is what she was looking for. just two months later, dennis presented diane with the bubble of a lifetime, a $20,000 engagement ring. he loved her, he put her on a pedestal and treated her like a queen. she likes his daughter, she cared very much for his daughters. and that was a strong point. they make plans, as lovers do. dennis had moved from austin to houston. the idea was diane could sell her big house and move down there too. it was a downmarket then, but as diane told her friends, there was one potential buyer. now diane was dead. and there were all of those questions. not a robbery, and yet, as the detectives soon discovered, something was missing that $20,000 engagement ring nowhere to be found. so, police wondered, where was fiance, dennis, during the violent storm? and did he know something? coming up. the storm outside and in. they argued a lot. we had our ups and downs, no question. you know, it wasn t like physical? never. when dateline continues. lin it s okay to show off. with dupixent, show off your clearer skin and less itch. because you have plenty of reasons to show off your skin. with dupixent, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, you can stay ahead of your eczema. it helps block a key source of inflammation inside the body that can cause eczema to help heal your skin from within. many adults saw 90% clearer skin, some even achieved long-lasting clearer skin and fast itch relief after first dose. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don t change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. show off to the world. ask your eczema specialist about dupixent. ask your eczema specialist it was true, all her friends knew it, diane holik was in love with the man it was true. all of her friends knew it. diane holik was in love with the man she met , smitten like a teenage girl, but the road of love, as we all know isn t always smooth. they were engaged so quickly. too quickly? before long they encountered some serious issued set her friends, anita and jared. they argued a lot. about, one example? her dogs, were like children to diane. but she told her friends, dennis didn t want any dogs in their new house in houston. they fought, set her friends, about what he seems to want her to be. she was always talking about, hey, didn t want her to do this or didn t want her to do that and that will cause arguments. she would not go along with it? no. she was independent? what was he? controlling. oh. very controlling. that can be a difficult combination to so, it was confusing, she probably wore this spectacular ring, but the engagement was off and then, maybe on again. and yet, that very week, set her friends, diane told them she still didn t know what to do. so, she had gone back and forth and back and forth? emotionally she was a roller coaster, because she just couldn t see how it was going to work and none of us could see how it would work either. especially when she told sharon she had made a date with another man. we kept telling her, if you are still wanting to do these things, you are not ready for that. but she had her house for sale? yes, she was going to downsize. if she didn t get married, she was going to downsize anyway, because this house was just way too good. waffling under plans for dennis? a date with another man? she said she had seen dennis angry, so, after diane was murdered, she wondered maybe he had just lost control of his life and killed her. that was my first thought. detective gerst ash dennis to come to the station to speak without the aid of a lawyer. the detectives focused on the timeline. they believed diane had been killed that stormy thursday afternoon or evening. her body was discovered about 5:30 p.m., friday. we were definitely interested in where he had been for the last three days. he knew he was going to verify his alibi to us. at the station, dennis seemed upset, but composed. as he told investigators, he was in his office in houston the night of the big storm, but exchange online messages with diane, back in austin that afternoon. it was just, you know, like, hey, i m working late, i m getting ready to go home, and she just send me, you know, i love you. that was it. and you were at the office? okay. dennis said he got home from work late thursday evening and was back on friday. we looked at the conference, could he have driven down to austin for diane and theoretically driven back in time for work? and yes, he probably could have. they checked diane s answering machine and found messages from him, this one was left on friday, the day after the big storm. she was dead by then. hey, you, if i don t hear from you in about an hour, and calling the freaking police. and have to go by your house okay? another message, saturday morning. diane, what is going on? give me a call. you have me worried to death. by. which could have been some sort of cover-up, of course. dennis admitted, their relationship was iffy. we ran into rough spots. we were going to build a house in houston and i decided that, you know, given the fact that we weren t getting along to gather, very well i mean, there was no fight, we all fight, it s just everybody carries baggage of your relationships at this age, and and our baggage was clashing, and we were working on it, but we decided not to be engaged anymore. okay. and stop holding a house. but he said they were going to therapy, which was hoping. i mean, we were really, really making breakthroughs, you know? about diane s dogs, for example. she saw that i was accepting the fact that, you know, her dogs were going to be in the house. and not long before diane was killed i remember her saying you know, that she would she loved me and that she would jump at the chance to be in a relationship and marry me, and, you know, no matter how long it took. yeah. we had our ups and downs, no question, but it wasn t like no physical fights? no. never, never, never even angry or loud words. it was just it s stupid, you know? she thought i should be more of a like, handyman kind of guy, like her dad, right? and and i thought she should be more appreciative. what she faithful to you? i would i would be shocked if she wasn t. i would be stunned. everyone has his or her version of the truth, of course. dennis story, not at all what diane s friends said they had been hearing from her. i wanted so many times to just say, dude, you are just so stupid, because she did want to marry you. detective geyer garrett took fingerprints, collected dennis s dna and check his alibi, and dennis? before he left, dennis brought up another name. has anybody gotten a hold of ray? no, we are trying to figure out who ray is. ray was a colleague of diane s at ibm. he seemed to worship the ground she walks on. he seems to be attracted to women that are not attracted to him. honestly, if i was if i was a woman, i would he would be giving me the creeps. and according to dennis, he and diane were not on good terms. now, they had a falling out about a month or so ago. don t know the exact nature of it. so, time for a talk with ray. coming up. a coworker, with a crush, but did he want something more? i was always very spoiled to her, and very affectionate to her. when dateline continues. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ingrezza ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington s disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don t take ingrezza if you re allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ingrezza everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. i ll be honest. by the end of the day, my floors.yeesh. but who has the time to clean? that s why i love my swiffer wetjet. it s a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that! swiffer wetjet. i am just collate in with the hour s top stories. the united nations is answering adding israel and hamas to its military forces harming children amid military conflict. the news comes as israel faces new criticism for an airstrike in central gaza that killed dozens of people at a u.n. displacing palestinians. and president biden spoke of the need to protect democracy while fighting dictators and hateful ideology, as he honor the sacrifices of soldiers 80 years ago on the beaches of normandy. now, back to dateline. suspicion. there was lots of it to go around after diane holik was choked to death in her own guest bedroom. at least one of diane s friends directed her suspicion at dennis. the man who said he was her fiance, but was he anymore. dennis swore it wasn t him, but maybe he was suspicious too. what about this guy? he asked? what about ray. there was a man that she worked with, by the name of rafael chauncey, and she had actually hired him at ibm, so she was kind of his boss. maybe more than his boss? here s what diane s friends told the police about ray. he was johnny on the spot every time she needed something. he always called ray and ray was there. honestly in my heart i believe that he truly loved her and would have varied her. if she would have him? yeah. if she would have him. it seemed off to dennis. s relationship with diane he told the police, it was a little too cozy, obsessive maybe? he always felt like maybe ray kind of took a liking to her was very infatuated with her, and he would always offer to take care of her dogs when she was out of town. always wanted to be kind of close to her. so, he thought maybe that he had too much of an interest in diane. what s more, ray had his own personal key to diane the house and remember, there was no forced entry. the killer was either invited and or had a key. so, detective gerrish asked ray to come into the station and answer a few questions, except it was ray who seems to be full of questions. working on it. unfortunately i don t know anything about diane holick when until i went to her house last night. he seemed excited to share what he knew. how long have you known diane? two years. he was an odd character, eager to help us, almost too i eager, to the point where throw us off a little bit. my group, my payment to her was not to always take care of her dogs. in two years she didn t have a dog sitter, i even change my schedule so i could walk her dogs. he told you a lot didn t he? man, i can t believe it. i always had a crush on diane, since i was younger. to diane reciprocate your feelings? no. did that ever cause problems to you? no. in the beginning argument that stuff? no, in the beginning we have some i was always very spoil- ey to her, very affectionate, she didn t like it. they played good cup, that cop. another detective came in, frustrated. no sexual relationships? you want to? i always wanted to, but never did. know, it was a little bit more formal than that i guess. you never had a sexual relationship? no. never. so, your dna shouldn t be found on her? you are not giving it to us? if you wanted. ray agreed, he did have a key to her house, but he also had an alibi, he was at work the day diane was murdered. i had the badge. there s cameras all over the place too at work. you can ask for the records. that day, ray said he stayed late at work and then drove home through the terrible traffic created by the storm. and after that, stayed home. stayed home and didn t go anywhere. back to work this morning at 8:00, 8:00. of course they needed to verify all of that. but when they asked ray about dennis, the fiance? that is a loaded question. it is and. i mean, i want the truth. there were some problems or whatever? they were going to get married this november. clearly diane had complicated relationships with dennis and ray. so, just as they had done with dennis, police fingerprinted ray and took a dna swab and went on looking. sharon told the detectives done had a date with the man and they couldn t figure out who that man was, but they tracked down every man she had met from the dating service. i interviewed every single day she had through that service. too many options. police wondered, has diane been strangled by a man she had met through the dating service? or a man she knew well? even left? and yes, something seems to be missing, but what? this wasn t going to be easy. coming up, a funeral and a wedding, and what some say was a former fiance s extremely strange behavior. oh god, we did a morbid thing. i mean beyond belief. and finally a clue. was this one of his stakes? when dateline continues. first and only nasal spray for dry eye. tyrvaya treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease fast by helping your body produce its own real tears. common side effects include sneezing, cough, and throat and nose irritation. relying only on drops? not me. my own real tears are my relief. ask your eye doctor about tyrvaya. that is an affluent neighborhood. it s not normally where you find murder victims. narrator: darla davis was worried. that is an affluent neighborhood, it is not normally where you would find murder victims. tyler davis was worried. diane s ball body was there barely cold. prosecutors jump on the case and encountered a problem. the fact that she lived by herself. there were many wanted to change that single status and there was certainly reason to look at them carefully. but the prosecutor worried too. about another possibility. we might have a stranger on stranger offense, which is way harder to solve. so, essentially a dead body, not much evidence? right. no idea who did it. exactly, and i had an idea that we would have the crime scene. that meant she had investigators went back to diane s house to take a look. and went over it with the alternate light source. we have to do it in the dark. we just take it and put it in carpeting or on any kind of fabric or anything. and certain things will fluoresce. for example, if there is blood. the alternate light search source we are looking for. it didn t look like diane had been sexually assaulted. but they had to know for sure. and when they tested? there were no indications that there was any semen anywhere. and that room are different parts of the house. nothing. no semen, no blood, no evidence of sexual assault. and apart from her missing engagement, nothing in diane s house seemed out of place. except, in the middle of the otherwise brisk living room. there, on the loveseat is this tower just thrown open. weird. it was definitely out of place. maybe it was left behind by the killer? was this one of the mistakes? there were hairs later on. her hairs? no. there were seven hairs on that terrible. they sent the hairs to the dna lab. her friends plan the excruciating details for diane s memorial service here in austin. sharon found the funeral home and the lady to do the makeup and everything. we went in with them and help them pick out a casket and all. and her dress for an open casket. i need to make sure that whatever we got looks right and covered the appropriate parts of her. seeing where the wounds were, seeing where the ligature marks were, probably just as difficult as the day i found out that she passed. dennis came to the service, as expected, but he tended to not speak with anybody, which i found somewhat strange for a man, who was so in love with diane. front and center? no, he did not sit front and center, which somewhat surprised me. watched through a haze of grief and suspicion. when diane s parents moved her body from austin to their home in new york for the funeral, diane s friends as was dennis. and as diane lee in her open casket something very strange happened. oh god. he did a morbid thing that just infuriated her parents. i mean, beyond belief. dennis had brought a minister with him to the funeral. to actually say the marriage vows to him, as she was laying in the coffin. and then took her hand and put that gold band on. i thought mom was going to come unglued. diane s parents removed the ring, said a friend. but, the diane s family was appalled and her friends were deeply suspicious, back in austin, investigators were looking at all kinds of possibilities. dennis, ray, and other men diane had left remained on the list of statements, their alibis checked and rechecked. and the first time love. but that murder prosecutors talked about, was that really what happened? was the killer some random predator? is not a great feeling to know that you are going to have to expand out into the possibilities that this was somebody who was a stranger to her. because that makes it so much harder. that second, more intense search of the crime scene detectives found the first time, including this killer, where the lover has been careful and clearly prepared for what he, or she was going to do. this person, who is trying to avoid being captured. yes, so he cut the zip tie off of her and took the zip tie with him. and thus removed the evidence, but there was this one other thing, just a passing comment. they heard it from anita, on the phone with diane. she said that she had somebody that had come by earlier and had looked at the house, was very impressed with it. i said that is good. she says, yeah. i might finally sell this thing. good that visitor be connected to diane s murder somehow? or that discarded what towel? with those seven tiny strands of hair. coming up, a stranger knocking on doors. what happened next. i felt i had dodged a bullet. he wanted to get me in there and i didn t budge. i stood there with all of the bells going off. when dateline continues. ne this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. shingles could also lead to serious complications that can last for years. if you re over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside you. and as you age, your risk of developing shingles increases. don t wait. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles today. 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you always try to find the last person that saw sure. the victim alive. and we thought, well, this man could be the last person to see her alive. narrator: who was this phantom homebuyer? interviewer: did anybody get a name? we did get one name, walter miller and a number. narrator: walter miller? of course, they looked up the walter miller s around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description, though. and the phone number the man left course they looked up to walterg miller around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description though. and the phone number the man left? it ended up being a fax machine. it ended up belonging to the wife of a guy, by the name of matthew supolsky. matthew supolsky. what with you? he had a background involving a drug addiction, the muscles, a restraining order against him. and we eventually tracked on matthew and they realized right away he could not be the killer. he was in a neck brace, he had been in a bad accident, he had paralysis on his arms, so we knew it couldn t be in. meeting, this visitor, whoever he was, left a fake name and a big phone number. who would do that? then they found another neighbor, who had talked to the guy, heard his story, got a good enough look at him to help with a composite sketch. and we aired it on the 10:00 news. boston police have asked for help in solving a murder. police questioned a man seen in the day before that murder. they described his wife between the ages of 35-45, he s about six feet tall and neatly dressed. and we were hoping to get tips. what you know? before long women started calling. tales about a man who wanted to buy a house. so, what were you hearing from people who may have had a visitor? was at the same story they were hearing? pretty much. yeah, they were getting the story about this guy that sold his ranch in south boston he and his wife are looking to do this quick in the physical description were all the same. some colors, like tammy, had curious details. he had on brand-new gene that were probably three sizes too long. it was the kind of strange thing you remember said agent, tammy. he had on a shirt, a striped shirt that had wrinkles in it. i mean, pulls. just came out of the box? he just bought clothes, i m sure of it. he had suspenders on, which i m sure nobody wears suspenders and it wasn t like his pants are falling off. but it is when she showed him into the house that her nerves went on alert. he said oh, after you, after you. it was a standoff at the bottom of the stairs, wouldn t go. my stomach is tight. tammy was where a. years earlier, she had been raped by a customer. i knew all my instincts, all that i have learned and been through were the reason i was nervous about him. he said his name was jim sage. he kept trying to get her into upstairs rooms. he wanted to get me in there, and i didn t budge, i stood there and all the bells were going off. the next day tammy called the police to report this jim sage. did he hurt you, did he threaten you? did he put his hands on you and i had to say no to all of that. he said i m sorry, there s nothing we can do. but now, diane had been murdered, strangled, tammy remembered the man s odd suspenders use them on diane pop holick s neck. when did that hit you? after. after i found out she was strangled. the calls kept coming in. women, with stories of a strange man posing as a homebuyer, some truly hair- raising stories. like what happened to x real estate agent melanie blunt, six months before diane was murdered. a man had called about one of her houses. it was a vacant listing, and i asked him if he had been prequalified by a lender, and i am paying cash, and so i drove over to meet him at the house or go to the door to greet him. and immediately he was behind me. he would never walk in front of me. which made melody uncomfortable. especially because he only wanted to see vacant houses, and the whole time that i was showing him the home he was never looking at any room. he seems to be more interested in looking out windows than he did the actual room. she said something else seemed off about him. he has a ticket in his neck, constantly cracking, and popping his neck and breathing very heavy. melody wanted to leave, but then the man noticed the detached garage. he was adamant about getting in the garage. he said i really want to see inside the garage. he started that neck popping. her hand shook as she tried to work the key in the door. it didn t open. i just turned to him said i m leaving, jumped in my car. locked the car and took off and i left him. she drove home, still shaken. i have never cried, nor prayed so hard in my whole life , because i felt i had dodged a bullet. melody called the police too. got the same message as tammy. they did not believe me. did he touch you? did he hurt you? no, he did not. when she saw the story about diane and the sketch? i looked at it, and immediately knew that it was the same man. well, the police and prosecutor investigating diane s murder were working every angle they could think of. we were just coming up zero. he knew what he or she was doing and very careful. that was the impression we were getting, and that is what was increasing our anxiety. so, they waited for dna results from those tiny hairs found on the towel in diane s living room. and they listened to the women who called to tell them about being frightened by a mysterious would be homebuyer. who was he? and then one more call and they knew this could be their breakthrough. she said that she had seen the news and she thinks that that man had come to her house and she possibly had a flyer that he had handled that he had left behind. we were really excited about that. which meant that, maybe there might be fingerprinted. did she say this thing? she did it by accident. she didn t just throw it away? no, she actually picked it up and put it in a sack. a story by this time sounded all too familiar. she was excited to sell her house. she was going to pay cash, wanted to bring his wife back to look at the house and he asked her if she could look around. so, she kind of followed him into one of the bedrooms and when he got to the closet he turned around on her and she said there was this awkward silence and he just stared at her, she just became so uncomfortable she thought something bad was going to happen. and just then, in a nearby room, the woman s baby cried. and it gave her the opportunity to break the encounter with him to grab the baby and he followed her into the room and was standing behind her, when she turned around with the baby in her arms and it must have spooked him. and he just left? leaving behind the flyer? leaving behind the flyer. so they picked up the real estate flyer and brought in a latent fingerprint those prints might just belong to their killer. remember, they found no prints in diane s house to compare them to. in fact, this was strange. even diane s (hard to find. as if the killer may have wipe them clean. it was really not even the fingerprints that you would think you would find in a house that was occupied. that is very rare. yes, it was very rare and scary. scary because they wouldn t know who he was. scary because if he was a stranger just looking for a convenience target he had probably seen the stories on tv with a composite sketch and knew they were looking for. so he could have changed his appearance or left the area, or even worse, my strike again somewhere else. but then? there was this one more phone call from a woman, who said she too had an experience with a male homebuyer and this call just might lead them to an actual person. coming up. she immediately got a creepy feeling from him. the brick detectives had been waiting for. she actually wrote down his license plate and called police. when dateline continues. co keith morrison (voiceover): the idea that the murder of diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house the idea that me tthe murde diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house was gaining some traction. even the friend who remained so suspicious of diane s fiance wondered about that. i had a fleeting moment that maybe it was somebody dealing with the realty and selling of the house because there were quite a few people that came in. i thought maybe a husband found her attractive, you know? made a move and she didn t go for it. calls were pouring in to the police station from women who all shared a similar story. they described a man who claimed to be in the market for a new home but seemed to be shopping for something more sinister? one woman provided police with the mystery man s fingerprint. detectives thought the crime scene had been wiped clean so there was no way to match it back. there was a new caller and she was about to give them more. and she basically had told us that months earlier that this man with the same story had come to her home but in a different neighborhood. but very affluent so it kind of matched. he was insistent about wanting to go in and see that house. and she immediately got a creepy feeling from him and told him no and her husband said well if he ever comes back you need to call the police or get his license plate because it really scared her. and about six months later he came back and was very insistent on going in to see her house and she told him no she was not going to allow him to come in. and so she called the police. nothing happened then. the reaction she got was like those other women. the police could hardly arrest some guy for just seeming creepy. but this woman did something different. she wrote down the name and phone number the man gave her but more important his license plate number. stuck it on her fridge. instinct? luck? maybe both. she didn t know if he would come back again. she thought it was concerning enough that she would just leave it on her refrigerator just in case and she gave us the original piece of paper she wrote his license plate down with. and. well we immediately ran his license plate and it was a minivan and it was registered to patrick russo and his wife janet russo. patrick russo. his last known address was in a rural area about a half hour outside austin. so they decided to pay a visit. it s a pretty drive to bastrop county. the live oaks, the cypress trees. at 4:00 a.m. the detectives weren t exactly taking in the view as they drove to russo s home. hoping this is a lead that could shed some light on the murder of diane holik. all they had were stories about a creepy guy looking at houses for sale. was patrick anthony russo that guy? maybe, maybe not. dawn was hours away when they knocked at his door. the man who woke up to answer it looked like the composite sketch. coming up. patrick russo seemed an unlikely killer. i ve got my ged. i went to college. i studied for theology to become a minister. but an odd coincidence. he was in diane s area the day she was kills. you remember ever talking to her? 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my job is to make sure that the music for the praise team or any kind of music that s being done for church services is handled, whether i play it or have someone play it. and in his spare time? he fronted a christian rock band. what s the name of your band? it s broken silence. broken silence. that s a good name. again, said tony russo. he was more than willing to cooperate with the investigation. i will be happy to do of what you guys need. so i don t have any problem with it at all. so they asked him, where was he when diane was murdered. did he have an alibi? thursday? um, that was that big storm day, wasn t it? thursday, i spent some time at the church again. i went to go to knle here in austin. knle is a christian radio station. tony said they were helping him create a website for his christian rock band. okay. about what time was that? uh, i think it was about. let see, i talked to my wife. i was pulling into the parking lot so that would have been about 4:00, i believe. when no one came to the door i went ahead and left. so you made the trip up there for nothing basically? pretty much. then of course he got caught in that awful storm. i got lost for probably a good hour or so. i got on the phone with my wife. she stayed on the phone with me. it started getting later. that s when the heavy winds started coming and the tornadoes, i guess. so what time did you get home finally? um, my wife s better at the timing on this than i am. 5:30, i guess or 6:00? i m not really sure exactly the time frame. thing was, diane s house where she was killed was not far from the radio station. you remember ever talking to her? no, sir. tony was adamant he d never seen diane. you never talked to her? no. interesting. then detectives asked, had he been doing some house hunting? is there any reason why you d be in a neighborhood looking for a house? no. none whatsoever? uh-huh. of course they knew a thing or two about that. so the detectives leaned on him a little. do you want me to tell you how serious this is? i would appreciate it. i feel like i m getting pretty banged here and i don t even know what it s for. she s dead. i don t know if you noticed when you walked in here, this is the homicide unit. i ve done a lot things wrong in my life. i m telling you that as badly as i feel for this woman here, i m sorry, but you guys are barking up the wrong tree. go ahead, he said. search my house. my car. he even offered to take a polygraph. i don t care how hard you dig, you re not going to find me committing any crime like that. any crime, period. tony s wife janet was very helpful too. and her story about that day was just about the same as his. yeah, i was telling him where the tornadoes were. he doesn t know his way around austin all that well. next thing he knew he d circled back around going west because he was he said well there s candle again. candle is the nickname for knle the christian radio station. when the interviews ended tony asked to see janet. i promise you i never did anything to anybody. i promise. and all i think about is how this affects you and our church and everything we worked so hard for. i know. tony and janet russo had answered all their questions. had been cooperative. and tony even gave them a swab of his dna and his fingerprints. so the police thanked him and took them home. coming up. the interview part two. this one a little tougher. is there any reason why somebody might have seen your van over there? 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surely i don t have the only pewter ford minivan in this town. that has that license plate on it. that s true. that is true. by the time the detectives interviewed tony they d checked for priors and guess what. that conviction the one he was on parole for was for kidnapping with a very particular twist. he had gone into an office where a woman was alone and tied her up with zip ties and choked her. did not kill her but choked her. disturbingly familiar given what happened to diane holik. back then a decade before diane s murder tony confessed to kidnapping and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. it was there he met and married janet and soon after was paroled after serving only one- third of his sentence. but the kidnapping charge wasn t all they found at tony s record. even earlier, years earlier, there it was her. it had actually been a quiet day. donna shank encountered tony when she was an apartment manager. all alone late one afternoon in her building rental office when a man walked in. he wanted to look at a two bedroom apartment for his self and his girlfriend, he says. donna showed him an available apartment. we re walking down the hallway. we get back to what would be the master bedroom so i open the closet door and went into the closet to turn the light on and in a split second he had me by the throat. she struck out at him. tried scratching and slapping him in an effort to get away. he took her down. before i knew it i was on the floor. i was on the floor face up and he was straddling me with both of his hands around my throat just squeezing. tight. very tight. i wasn t able to speak. i wasn t able to breathe. i was thrashing and. grabbing at him and things. bucking, you know, everything i could do. until he grabbed my hands and panned them i guess under his knees. i couldn t move my hands. it just, you know, dawned on me okay well this is it. is this absolute terror? it is absolute terror to where your life flashes before your eyes and. you think i m going to die. and this is it. then she thought no, this would not be it and she thrashed about until she was able to free her hands. and i put my hands on his forearms trying to pull him away. i had sort of a high neck sweater on and he kept pulling my sweater down to look at my neck and his eyes are very different, very scary. it was completely different. it was like flipping a switch. it was a very scary crazed look. then donna in a panic said all she could think of saying. i ve been gone too long, they know what apartment i m in, they will come looking for me and he would say you re lying don t lie to me you better not be lying to me and would call me profanities and would strike me. he s still holding on to you, your throat. yes. but he seemed to realize yes, there was a possibility somebody would be coming to look for her and as quickly as he had become a monster. his expression changed again and his eyes went softer. then he completely took his hands off of me and just went like this and just covered his face and then sat back up and he said i can t believe i did this. are you okay? like he s a different person now. yes. to the point that he was apologizing profusely for doing it, asked me if i was hurt. asked me if i was okay. helped me up off of the the floor. helped me collect my necklace that was torn off and thrown about. he begged donna not to call the police, but she did. and he confessed. he was convicted of misdemeanor assault. and was put on probation. but as the years went by, he had attacked five other women in similar ways. including his kidnapping victim. now he s being questioned about a murder involving zip ties and choking and was denying he knew anything about it. saying the similarities with earlier incidents were merely coincidence. it s disgusting to sit here and listen to you talk about being such a devout christian and forgiveness and how much you ve turned your life around when this one coincidence after another this whole thing goes back to similarities that i m sure coincidental back in 1989, 1990, 91, 92. but you re this reborn christian? and you re going to sit here and lie about it? but the truth was at that point police could only prove patterns of behavior. patterns tony insisted he broke when he became a born-again christian. but really? so the detectives set up a little trap and asked him if his fingerprints could possibly be found on a real estate flier. have you ever handled aureoles flier for a house for sale in west austin. no. then your fingerprints shouldn t be on there. correct. but even as tony insisted otherwise they already had received the test results from the real estate flier saved by that woman. thank you lord tony russo s fingerprints were positively on that flier. what happens in the old gut when that? we knew it was him. we just weren t able to put him anywhere and now we had him. true, they had him recently in the home of a woman who d been terrified by his behavior. but they didn t have him in diane holik s house. to get that evidence they needed time and they worried would he run? then the prosecutor had a canny idea. when tony russo said he didn t touch the real estate flier, that was a lie. and lying to the police was a parole violation. so the da s office came up with this charge that allowed us the time we needed to send off all the dna and physical evidence to see if it we could actually put him at her house. bring your right hand back. so into jail went tony russo. coming up. there were five guys standing like a theater setting. show time. with a script. as his victims come face to face with tony russo. repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? do you have any information about the familiar plan of the house? i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that was extremely frightening. when dateline continues. i m out of breath, and often out of the picture. but this is my story. 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we had so many women that had let him into their homes in different neighborhoods all over austin, south austin, north austin, even real estate agents that he had called when he wanted to look at vacant houses. but could any of those women actually identify tony russo as their guy? we felt like we needed to do a live lineup because the phrasing and his ruse that he used was so specific and the women remembered his voice and they remembered his story. so they rounded up some austin police officers who looked like tony and put him and them in a lineup. and brought the women in. and there were five guys standing like on a theater setting. number one, take one step forward. couple of feet above me and we re down below. number two, repeat the following phrase. you have a beautiful house. you have a beautiful house. we had a script that each person had to step forward and exactly repeat what the detective was telling them to say. i m going to pay cash for a house. i m going to pay cash for a house. it was everything that was said to each one of these women when he went into their homes. i came to this house before, didn t i? i came to this house before, didn t i? repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? he was number one right in front of me. i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that it was extremely frightening. i picked him out of a lineup immediately. i was feeling a lot of guilt. i don t know why. you just feel what could i have done? somebody s dead and this man was with me. how many of those witnesses picked out the right guy? i believe it was 15 women. out of the total of how many? i think it was 30. eyewitness testimony is notoriously not great and often doesn t carry much weight in a trial so you needed something more. yes. what they needed was something definitive to put tony russo in diane holik s house. they d sent off dna samples from diane s finger where her ring had been yanked off and from that towel on her couch. finally the results. what did the dna tell you? the swab on her hand was a mixture that was consistent with a combination of diane holik and russo. was it enough to say for sure though because dna. no. no, no, no. we can t exclude him. it s consistent with him. but it s not the kind of dna that you can eliminate the rest of the world. right. just really increased suspicion is all. it was helpful. it was dez positive. we sent the hair off to a lab and they did a may toe conacre dry corral dna test. we could not exclude mr. russo. but you couldn t say for sure. no. so close. just not quite the absolute proof they d been hoping for. but the dna did provide one very helpful service. police had confirmed the alibis of diane s fiance dennis and her ibm friend ray. these tests definitively eliminated them as suspects. but we could not eliminate mr. russo. finally six months after diane s death, tony russo was charged with murder. the risk? maybe. they d only get one shot. and the evidence they were going to take to court did not absolutely link him to the murder of diane holik. then the trial was almost upon us. they found something. something almost beyond belief. in my wildest dreams i never imagined that a website like this could even exist. coming up. the dark side to the web. and tony russo. you certainly had your motive. yes, we did. when dateline continues. ths what hd to me. 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not so easy. it was the most complex murder case definitely the most complex murder case i ve ever tried. that s because without hard evidence linking tony to the murder or even putting him in diane s house she d have to assemble all the jagged puzzle pieces of coincidence into a coherent pattern. when you re getting ready for trial you put it together almost like a play. what are you going to tell them first so you script it out. there were the zip ties on his property that seemed to match marks on diane s wrists. his cell phone pinged near her house. the radio station alibi was a lie. the dna, though it wasn t absolutely definitive, could not eliminate him. and all those women that identify him as that creepy guy claiming he wanted to buy a house with cash. cash which he certainly did not have. but then. he really wasn t looking for houses he was looking for victims. like realtor melody blount who cried and prayed after her encounter she found it so terrifying to testify. but did. i did not expect for patrick anthony russo to be sitting across from me within 10 to 12 feet and having to testify with that man looking at me, it was petri fying. and most unsettling when she noticed something all too familiar. now i m glaring at russo and what does he do? he starts that tick in his neck. starts that popping and i raised my hand up and i said there he goes. he s doing it right now. the state also called tony russo s victims from earlier years. including donna the young apartment manager he attacked in lake jackson, texas. this phone call just out of the blue after all of that time. she was not only surprised, she was angry. very angry. why did that have to a. why did someone have to be killed before this man was stopped? and the emotions of that whole ugly ordeal flooded right back. my heart started racing. it was just being terrified all over again. but some of the compelling evidence came courtesy of tony s first wife. as he d been married once before. the first wife said he could not get aroused sexually unless he was choking her and that he choked her when they had sex. and the second wife? the second wife confirmed he also choked her while they had sex. i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. any time i feel like my airway s getting restricted, you know, and he s, he always lets go. so a strange and potentially dangerous fetish but was that all it was? isn t it possible though that he really didn t want to kill diane holik? that s just my belief that he did. that just choking and not killing it was no longer enough. it wasn t enough any more. and why was she so sure? because of what turned up during a forensic analysis of tony russo s computer. the i.t. people landed on it just as the trial was about to begin. disturbing is perhaps too bland a word to describe what was in there. he was a member of a website one that you had to pay money to see. it s described as tastefully erotic death scenes and mr. russo had chosen the subcategory of asphyxiation. omg. uh-huh. in my wildest dreams i never imagined a website like this could even exist or that anybody would want to look at it. you certainly had your motive. yes, we did. it s called sexual sadism. he felt a compulsion to go and choke people. yes. he was sexually aroused by women being choked. oh boy. that gets into pretty dark territory. yes. they nailed him big time. diane s friend anita was in the courtroom as the state rested and she waited to hear tony s defense. we were all thinking okay, well, here we go. we re really going to hear a whole bunch of stuff. the room was packed solid with people. so his attorney just stood up and said defense rests. there was like a huge gasp in the room and then totally silent. diane s friend lynn arrived just in time to hear the closing argument. he stood quiet for a minute and walked over to the jury and he looked them all in the face. he said i need you to understand what happened to her that night. he put his hands up in the air like this and he put his thumbs down and he shook his hands like this as do though he was choking someone. he said, imagine. it took her two and a half, maybe even three minutes for her to die. as he s holding on to her. yeah. stood there and he looked at his watch and just waited. and for at least two and a half minutes nothing moved in that courtroom. and it was silent and he held that position with shaking hands until enough time had passed that a person would have died from being choked. and all of a sudden slams his hand down on the table. i mean, that s how long it took for her to die. and the whole courtroom just, i mean we all broke down at that point. to think that s how long it took for her to die. how long she suffered. the defense, which did not call a single witness made the case in its closing argument for all the drama the state, they said, failed to prove, because it couldn t prove, that tony russo was ever in diane holik s home. couldn t prove he killed her. tony did not testify. but he did talk to us. coming up. the verdict. when the jury walked back in to the jury box i can t even look at them. when dateline continues. lin the virus that causes shingles is sleeping. in 99% of people over 50. it s lying dormant, waiting. and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you re not at risk for shingles? 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his hair has gone silver now. he s in prison for life. and here one friday morning he brought his bible to the barrier that separates his world from ours. his holy staff of assurance that what he was about to tell us about his role in the murder of diane holik would be god s truth. that jury comes back and says guilty, what s that like? devastating. when you re innocent, it s devastating. innocent? yes. and so i hear from the warden that you got your bachelors in divinity. yes, sir. if i had to spend the rest of my life in here i want to use it for christ. throughout our talk he wore his christianity like a badge and like an accusation. i noticed that in the media they love to sensationalize any christians or people that claim to be christians that somehow they just they ve got it, there s some hidden secrets in their life. but your victims were christians too. saying you re a christian and being a christian are two different things. in other words you have to be totally honest? i don t think you have to be totally honest but i think there s things in your life that you ll exhibit whether christ is in your life or not. the evidence against him? he had answers for everything. like why he lied to the police when he said he wasn t looking at houses when in fact he was. i did deny in the interview because i felt like i was going to incriminate myself in the original interrogation. i did, however, share with my attorneys what had been going on. which was, he said, perfectly innocent research. looking at the different designs and things. for a long time we had talked about building a house, one of my friends from church had lived in a mobile home while he built a house on the back of his property. so we wondered, why did he behave in a way that terrified all those women who testified in court against him? you got to admit that was a pretty creepy thing to do. i don t know how creepy it is to look at houses or designs of houses. to tell people a whole shaggy dog tale about why you re there, to follow them around the house, to make them nervous. i preferred not to follow anybody through a house. they re the ones that want to show you the house so they tend to lead you. the rental agent he attacked and half strangled back in 1989. what do you have to say to a woman like her? okay, i don t remember her at all. i don t. and yet he actually confessed to attacking that woman back in 1989. and what about the witness so frightened by his visit to her house that she and her husband saved his license plate number? they kept the license number. they kept about four license plate numbers of people that looked at their house or wanted to look at their house without a realtor. not true, said darla davis. his license number was the only one they saved. i also asked him about his decision to take the pinstriping off his van, just then. he said that wasn t because police were looking for it but because it had been vandalizes. i was going to redo the pinstriping since i had originally put it on there. the zip ties police found wrapped around fencing on his property? they belonged to a friend, he said. and the statement by his wife janet that he would sometimes choke her during sex. i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. i never choked anybody. you choked your wife. no, i did not. she said you did. no, she didn t. she said you choked her as part of a sex act. that s how you had sex. that s not true. that s a manipulation of what she said. i m just telling you that s what she said. we reminded tony he d been married twice and in marriage number one same issue. but your ex-wife says you choked her. okay. and that s how you got sexual arousal. the only way you d get sexual arousal. i m not going to go into detail to embarrass her so i d rather not say anything about her. you know that s a tactic, don t you? i ve seen this done a thousand times. you can call it a tactic. if you ve got something to say about the woman, say it but don t do that where i m not going to say a bad thing about her because it would be mean to her. that s bs and you know it. well, under the world standards yeah that would be bs. but as a christian it s not. we asked about that pornographic website reporting to show the killing of asphyxiation of women. the one he had to register and pay for before he could access it. i cannot help that porn sites pop up on a computer. they don t pop up unless you look at some porn site. so there s an explanation for everything. there s a truth to everything. oh, yes, tony russo had an answer for everything. i am absolutely innocent and it disgusts me that every time you try to say you re innocent everybody says isn t that what everybody says? have you confessed the ultimate sin to god? what s the ultimate sin you re talking about? murder. if i had murdered someone i definitely would have. be you you say with your hands on your bible. i will die claiming my innocence and people can believe it or not believe it. i absolutely am innocent and i don t care how guilty i look. he couldn t convince any courts of that though. all his appeals failed. here he will stay. outside this institution, several women still struggle with the anxieties and fears and prisons of their own created by him. come back any time i get a call from a man that wants to see a house who is single. every time. i could have been a victim. i was an intended victim. that s a hard thing to think about. and they told us, the trauma lives on. though. it s comforting to know he s in there. that he can t hurt anybody else. they are sorority sisters of a sort who unwilling to live their lives as silent victims came together to help get tony russo off the street for good. we did our job and we got him convicted. so they did. this sisterhood. for the sake of a woman whose fate might have been theirs. diane holik. whose friends came together to remember how they miss her. even after all these years. she was a constant friend. she was in my life every day and all of a sudden she was gone in an instant like blowing a candle out. you see the smile on all these photographs. was she always smiling? always. always. she had a magic smile. it was infectious. if she was smiling everybody else had to. we had to. i m andrea canning, and this is dateline. andrea canning: it was one of the most harrowing days in our history. i hear
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rachel: i saw a video on x of these guys going out to do that kind of stuff on the top of the skyscrapers and underneath it said chicks don t like to do that kind of work. it s really dangerous work out there that men, mostly men do, to build bridges and buildings. will: the sign of a economy. one of the ways to count how the economy is doing is counting the number of cranes in the skyline. i don t know what new york s mean or average is compared to history. but nashville is full of cranes. pete: there s a lot of little skinny tall buildings going up all over new york. it s incredible. it s also very masculine to wear makeup and sit on a couch. will: i m not letting you defy yourself. i ve been in a tail spin all week long. pete: why? will: and i ve been in the gym. because it was revealed to me this week on the will cain show that you are warming up with 225 and i mean, i know you re fit but this is a whole nother level. it s really throwing me off. then i see jesse on the five and like he s in shape. look at that . and i m two months away from having to the do the navy seals spread. it absolutely worries me. rachel: do muscles weigh you down? pete: yeah, they make me sink. will: his lack of character weighed hip down, he s not doing it. pete: i know where will is right now. staring two months out with an intense physical fitness event with studs and feeling unprepared and not feeling good and all in your own head. will: and i find out you re benching house. pete: i was taking a yeah. one of his producers happened to be in the just a minute at the same time. rachel: do you work out here? pete: i was on the never ending pete hegseth book promotion tour. one of his producers was down there, and he letted the group chat know how much. rachel: sounds like pete said let everyone know i m 275. pete: couldn t plant it or script it better. rachel: i love it. pete: you ll be all right, will. you ll be all right. will: i m sore this morning. i was in the gym yesterday. pete: he s a rich guy and cofounder of craft ventures and cohost of all in podcast and name is david sacks. he s a big donor or has been to a lot of different causes and not clear which way he d go and he was on with larry kudlow and kind of reveal where had his support was going and why. take a look. there s no comparison of the cognitive abilities of these two men and what we saw last night is a fundraiser for president trump and he was very sharp, on the ball and stayed for something like four hours and talked to everybody and the whole crowd and everybody loved him and at the same time you saw biden at that d-day event and looked like he couldn t keep up with whatever he was doing. there s no question on which of the men are more cognitive and with it. will: founder of paypal tied in with peter musk and peter teale and cohosted by someone from cnbc and tech venture capitalist with sacks and it represents a shift and had a fundraiser which trump atten attended and even ar shift among those and going for the left and talking about later in the program and guys like russell brand. rachel: talk ago bit about russell brand and he s an interesting figure in the whole wave of people during covid they were expecting protesters and going in san francisco and not that there are people that hate tram nap san francisco and de-moralizing enough and they re not willing to go out and unless they re paid by george soros to go out and protest trump. you know what, i m worried about the grocery store and worried that rents are bad and crime is bad in san francisco and i m no- pete: there s no energy, rachel, to your point and no air in the balloon on the biden side, which means they ve got to fire up the machine. all the enthusiasm is for that man right there. rachel: l lawfare was also mentioned and coordinated attack and using the laws and using the courts and weapon sizing against a political opponent and sent shock waves not through just trump supporters but people like this also abroad. the headline on another topic is double cro crossed and bill meln was on the double line saying last weekend we did all the coverage of the new executive order of joe biden is something he said he didn t have enough power pomoxus execute and did it capping at 2500, you know, illegals and people are going to shot the door on the shut the door on the border and going to bed for the night and that s not happening and maybe it s an x and cbp from bill melugin on the border and 1300 apprehended by the border patrol and in san diego yesterday and late yesterday afternoon and going to america. egypt. egypt. reporter: all from egypt? yeah. reporter: group of friends and you want a job? america good. america good. america good. vietnam. reporter: all from china? yeah. reporter: why d you come to america? for free. reporter: to be free? yes. rachel: my favorite footage was from a couple weeks ago and interviewing people coming across the border and there s turkish guys and they re like i m okay but you don t know who all these people are and even the people crossing illegally were like what the heck is going on? this is not safe and we have seen really shady people alodge the journey and you have no idea who s coming into the country. they passed an executive action and media tour and bill melugin isen o the ground and like the border patrol guy and bill melugin is by himself essentially covering what s happening on the border and in the u.s.. will: egypt, vietnam, and more. pete: get in a time machine and travel three years from 9/11 and have folks from afghanistan and pakistan and iran and egypt pouring across the boarder and hand them a piece of paper and say meet up with us in a couple of years. will: it s a far cry. rachel: but it s a joke in the sense that think about how much money, i mean, billions of dollars poured into the salaries and buildings for homeland security . why even have homeland security when this is happening? it s a joke. it s a joke. pete: should shut down the entire department and move to the southern board fertilizer they really care, but they don t. rachel: you have to care about this situation in you care about homeland security and they re aiding and abedding it and enabling abetting it and enabling it and want it to happen. homeland security is a joke in america like that turkish man was laughing. that footage should be played every single day. will: make you aware of a law new york is working on and a milestone ban on social media feeds for children and addictive social media feeds with a step in the right direction. stop addictive feeds exploitation act or safe, it requires them to verify user age and give kids consent for alga rhythmic feed and have to have anyone acknowledged and parental consent if you re under the age limitation in order to get the alga rhythmic feed. kids without consent to view this addictive alga rhythmic feed can see social media content but flo flowing in a chronological time line of posts and anyone on x can know the difference between those two forms. rachel: explain that because maybe some people don t understand how that alga rhythmic works. will: on x it is the chronological feed and for you this is the is algorithm and sits this and watches what you ll interact with and what you ve li liked and reposted ani know, i know they can track your eyes, all of them, instagram, like how long your eyes linger on the timing thing and arkansas and they ll feed you more of content like that. it s just watching your behavior and listening to you and watching you. giving you more of what you like based on how much you engage with it. when i say best, most honed alga rhythmic format to feed you more of what you re suggesting you p. pete: last part of the bill is parents get ability to pause notifications on social media account near midnight and this is no substitute for parents. pete: you re not going to legislate your way out of stopping kids from staring at their phones. they ll find a way into something. rachel: i will be honest and i was one of the libertarianish peoples and i changed my view on how i look at any kind of regulation that has to do with children and families and i literally look at it and will it help the family? i don t care if it fits into an ideological box or not. i think i m 100% agree and there s no substitute appearance, pete, we re no we can t fight this by ours as parents. we don t stand a chance of expanding in and going to france and going to register for the age and parental consent and going to view the character and you can make sure to undergo that. pete: studies show that when you ask for an age verification, you have to verify who you are for pornography sites and usage go down 90%. most people don t want to admit who goes to that site and it goes down and filtered away. will: see the amazon tribe got star link? pete: didn t get me into click bait. will: they were on porn in ten minutes. rachel: average age of kids that use porn is 10 years old. not good. will: the harm of social media on kids and teens. data shows children on screens more than three and a half hour as day are more likely to develop serious mental health problems and so it s critically important that parents set limits for kids and look at what they re viewing. algorithms target kids and send messages to kids about different topics whatever they re gearing it towards and suck these kids in by sending these repeated algorithms. when our kids are not in their natural has been dat being outdoors with other kids and having the ball taken away and they re not developing critical skills they ll need as a transition into teenagers and adulthood. social skills and communication skills. rachel: at 9:50 eastern we have backyard camping ideas and more to keep your kids off the screens. pete: i like it. now to a fox news alert, idf announcing four israeli hostages have been rescued after a raid in central gaza earlier today. rachel: wow. pete: great news. they re all alive and currently recovering at hospitals after being kidnapped for 246 days. all four were ab ducked during the assault on abducted during the nova music festival on october 7 and one of the hostages reuniting with her father at the hospital. hamas still has around 120 hostages. that must feel like a miracle. kia recalling over 460,000 telluride, suvs over a fire ha czar concerns and i should finish my seasonses. national highway traffic safety administration reporting the power seat motor in the suv may overheat due to a stuck slide knob. this could potentially lead to a fire when the car is parked or in drive. the recall affecting models made from 2020-2024 and kia urging telluride owners outside or away from structures in case it lights itself on fire. several congressmen making a commemorative parachute jump over normandy to mark the 80th anniversary of d day skin colludes several military vets s in colluding michael wallz and cory miles and all of them landed on the ground safely. those are your headlines. some of the photos and video of those guys in the world war ii era aircraft is pretty cool. will: i said b52s earlier and i was wrong. people corrected me. the b52 didn t come in till the 50s but a lot of bombers dropping para troopers. janice dean coming up with the preview of the 156 running of the belmont stakes. pete: tim kent did something interesting and unique in normandy and hall of fame pitcher john shmaltz still ahead. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog s food to the farmer s dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there s no magic involved. 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janice jean is live from saratoga springs with ceo and founder of my racehorse, michael barron and part owner of seize the gray, amanda stebbes. s. reporter: nicely done, rachel. michael, how did this happen where thousands of people can be a part owner of a horse? i wanted to get involved in ownership but it s really expensive. i had an idea to build an app and get together a bunch of people that throw in a few hundred bucks and compete and buy a racehorse and we launch it had in and people love it and that s how it all began. i walked over and as a fan boy and said what do you think about training for us and i love what you do and would like you to get involved. reporter: what do you see at the barn with seize the x-ray. the owners of this horse, talk about them. which one of the 2,740 do you mean or are referring to? reporter: my racehorse.com is a thing to own a piece of a horse and it s not that much money. not at all. lets everybody get in and can brag to their neighbors. reporter: i love that wayne lucas is on board with this and it s a game changer and tell me what it s like to own a piece of history. it s fantastic and i joined my racehorse in 2020 with authentic and thought it was amazing and amazing experience and family and i got in to seize the gray when he was a yearling and it was an amazing fantastic whirlwind array. reporter: going from a baby to a winner and i was here when he broke his maiden last year at saratoga and right on the rail and it was fantastic and i was in the winner circle and bright beautiful purple hat if you re looking for me later. after the win, the app went crazy and i check the chats and it was coming in. we love getting people involved and thousands came in after he won it and win on this stage and this race and back-to-back racing and i love it. getting more people involved in racing and ownership and it s a great way to do it and it s a blast. i would love it. reporter: congratulations, it ll be a great race. 6:41 is post time here at belmont in saratoga. back to you guys. rachel: thank you, what a great way to de-mocktize the race for de-mock ragainitize the race for everybody to get involved. more fox & friends still ahead. not highly processed pellets. the farmer s dog is fresh food made with whole meat and veggies. it s not dry food. it s not wet food. it s just real food. it s an idea whose time has come. if you spit blood when you brush, it could be the start of a domino effect. new parodontax active gum repair breath freshener. clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease. a new toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. oh, my leaffilter? 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what do we know of their physical state. i can imagine everyone s mental state is in shambles. physically, are they okay? and anything coming from the idf about potential rescue operations for the 120 other hostages that still remain in captivity? reporter: so, three others hostages rescued today are all in good physical condition. we have not seen as much video of them as we have of noa, but we saw two coming off a helicopter in tel aviv they were walking along side israeli forces for all three of the men were also kidnapped from the october 7th music festival. they are shlomi ziv, and meil jan and andrey kozlov . in terms of potential other rescues, it is important to put this in perspective. we are months into this war. and israel has rescued seven hostages alive. in months. as much as there is celebration across israel today, i don t think anyone is operating under the illusion that all the hostages are going to be rescued like this. there is still an understanding in this country that to get most all of those 120 hostages back, it is most likely that there will have to be some kind of deal with hamas. and it is not clear at this point what sort of impact today s rescue will have on the negotiations. officials and site guys are saying 50 people were killed by israeli fire during this raid. and the head of hamas is political wing is saying if israel believes it can change the situation through force, it is delusional. it s also unclear whether this successful rescue today may make regimen netanyahu feel slightly less political pressure to negotiate with hamas for the rest of the hostages and as we know, guys, there is that cease- fire proposal on the table right now laid out by president biden last week and the world is waiting to see whether or not hamas will accept it. nbc s raf sanchez live from tel aviv. thank you. we will be monitoring development this hour. let s bring in our negotiator and senior fellow for the carnegie endowment for international peace. your thoughts, can we pick up where raf sanchez left off. your thoughts on these new developments. four hostages have been rescued by the idf. in central rafah today. on a human level, for a nation that has been in a state of collective ptsd since october 7th, this comes as an extraordinary moment and also a demonstration for israeli defense force which bears tremendous guilt and probably shame for the surprise attack on october 7. it reflects to a degree the competency and professionalism and courage which has long characterized many of the idf operations. on a political level, it does present, i think, i sort of victory of the netanyahu narrative. the longer we remain in gaza, the longer is really intelligence operates with the proximity to figure out where hostages are. and in essence it validates that narrative. on the other hand, 120 hostages , 30 plus israelis were killed on october 7th. the bodies were brought to gaza to trade or they died in captivity. the grid my reminder of the degree of difficulty that the israeli face it does reaffirm that israel suggests 56% of israeli public favor the biden cease-fire for hostage negotiations. i think it is a mixed message, but today, i think many israelis are ecstatic with the news that the redemption of israelis which represents a identity for that state of israel, it s a moment and with enormous satisfaction. david you still have 120 people that are being held captive. you still have a question mark about hamas response to joe biden s proposal. netanyahu reticence to engage in discussions around the two state solution. and israeli people in many respects very apprehensive about the leadership of netanyahu and in the prosecution of this war. so, even though this is an important opportunity and hope, those reality still exists and at one point, at what point, does that kick back in? is it six hours from now? 24 hours from now? when people realize that, yes, this happened, but still, there is a lot of has not change in the movement. towards resolving this crisis. michael, that s an excellent point. this is a headline, and the reality is that member of the war cabinet reportedly to announce his exit from the war cabinet has been postponed. that s also a reminder of the fact that if he leaves the government, you will be left with the most extreme right government in the history of the state. a prime minister on trial for bribery, fraud and breach of trust three years running now and do in district court sees no reason right now to favor the biden proposal even though he has accepted over the reality of domestic political realities and if there is a core constituency, and elemental to the prime minister s calculations, it is that right- wing government. again, i think you are right. it is a moment and the israelis are right to exult in this moment but by no means does it shed any light, it seems to me, on a likely pathway out of this. hamas has not responded to this and they probably will not come back with a clean yes. and maybe a guess, but. they are under tremendous pressure from qatar but i guess, but, again, the administration will have the onus on hamas. it may well provide the prime minister with breathing room not to accept the president s proposal. we have many bad days ahead. aaron david miller, we have a statement coming in from prime minister netanyahu. the entire nation salutes you and the brave fighters who risk their lives today to save lives. once again, you have proven that israel does not surrender to terrorism and ask with creativity and courage that knows about to bring home our abductees but we are committed to doing so in the future as well. this is the part i want you to weigh in on you will not let up until we complete the mission and return all our abductees home both the living and the dead. there you have it. it s a validation of the prime minister s view, i think, and as long as the work continues, not only the greater chances of political survival, but he may rationalize the greater the possibility of additional israeli success. the killing in the architect of the actual terror attacks. i think that statement reflects exact lee who the prime minister is. you if you are president biden, what are the conversations you re having with her interest and this morning understanding that the president is focused on an important anniversary. i think the administration has only one alternative. that is to continue to press and see whether or not the negotiations if hostages are released in exchange for palestinian prisoners in a six- week six cease-fire, i think that is the only practical pathway out of this for this administration and for the president who is facing the most consequential election in contemporary american history. where any factor, any factor at all, in a close election could sway the results one way or the other. david miller, as always, thank you for joining us at the last minute. next, the revenge toting after historic conviction. you are watching the weekend. so you don t zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with all the money i saved i thought i d buy stilts. hi honey. ahhh.ooh. look, no line at the hot dog stand. yes! only pay for what you need. liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. we re talking about cashbackin. not a game! we re talking about cashbacking. we re talking about. we re not talking about practice? 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not only should prosecutors be concerned that the entire electorate by larger measure the height entire american people should be concerned. i think donald trump is shown when he s going to do something regardless of how ridiculous it is, he will do it and particularly if you look at the judiciary and dogs and everything else that occurred during his a administration, we have evidence this is someone who intends to enact whatever it is he has to to keep his word in that regard. this is something that even as ridiculous as it sounds, to cause extreme amount of concern. as i listen to him during that voiceover a moment ago, i thought to myself, donald trump ran for president because they brought the charges. it wasn t that they brought the charges because he is running for president. people can construct any maneuver necessary to enact his retribution, as he says, on the judiciary for whatever he feels they have done unjustly to him. here s the thing. it is not just trumpet it is his cronies. take a listen to what they had to say. unless republicans unshackle themselves from their self- imposed restraints, and are as ruthless and fighting to save america as the democrats and fighting to destroy america, every facet of republican party politics and power has to be used right now to go to toe to toe with marxism and beam apps communist. all of this is about one thing. it s about shutting down the maga movement and shutting down grassroot conservatives and shutting down president trump. there is not a built that will ever shut me up. all victory to mag a. i m sorry, it is real early in the morning to hear from those two but i think it is important to hear what they are talking about. the other thing that strikes me, they used to be they threats of prosecution. a year ago, you had the former president s and he would go after president biden and now you have adding by name hillary clinton, alvin bragg to that list, the threat is becoming increasingly specific. it is becoming increasingly specific and it s really chilling rhetoric to hear. you hear this and it undermines the rule of law. this rhetoric. but i think what is important is that trunk, if he is elected, what is going to matter is who the people are around him. people will like maybe steve manning, and he knows from his previous administration that if he selects people who push back against him and are willing to stop him, he s not going to get what he wants. so i think this time around, one of the things that will be different there are these promises of retribution may, is that trump is going to be thinking about who it is that he will be putting in his potential administration and this time around, i think it will be much less willing to put people in power who are going to say no. charles, here is my thing with all of this. the fact that we are still talking about this almost as if it is this universe of maga and trump and the democrats trying to battle them but at the core of it is a political party and institution that support that party, heritage for example. that are hell-bent on one thing. retribution, payback. you got the new york times noting that the intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against democrats at the verdict surpasses anything seen before and trump s tumultuous years and national politics. what is different now is the range of republicans who are saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms. a couple things. what the hell are they so angry about ? when they had control of both the house, senate and white house, they did nothing with it. they did not we are going to change, were going to put in these polys, didn t happen. yet, the american people sit back and look at this and they are like, let s do it again. let s put the same people that listen to miller. you listen to bannon and the american people are saying, give me more of that. because right now, donald trump and joe biden are tied or trump is slightly ahead because people are paying a buck more for gas. how do you break this? how do you get people to understand what this means for the criminal justice system, what it means under the rule of law, what it means when a president, a former president running for office again, wants to throw people tripped up it s not just going to be the people they see on television. this will extend to everybody else downstream. michael, i have to say, we have to take a step back. i m glad you frame the question the way you did because republicans have shown they want to have the authority of the rule of tyrants but accountability of toddlers. what i mean is if you remember during midterm elections, i said republicans were politicizing the issue of crime and justice in america and they got mad at me for saying it. we have seen that play out on the national scale particularly in the wake of donald trump s conviction are in new york. we cannot enter into my face any further we we are allowing the just the system which is supposed to be there, balanced and equal, to be used as a political weapon. that is ultimately what republicans are seeking to do. they realize when it speaks to the notion of accountability there is a possibility that their leading candidate will be put in jail or held accountable under the rule of law. what do they want to do? not only do they want to change the rules, but they also want to see and have him use it as a weapon and have the party do the same. that is deeply troubling for all of us to understand what the separation of power is supposed to be on the true purpose of the criminal justice system should be. we will talk on the other side about pacifically alvin bragg and how they are trying to , what you are saying, into action. stick around. don t go anywhere. we have more to discuss in a moment. go to but first, we have news in paris. we got video of joe biden and french president emmanuel macron during their meeting. according to the pool report reporters there with the two world leaders, they were seated across from one another in a garden. there was no coffee on the table but president biden was talking and his voice was too low to hear what he was saying. the only snippet heard by the radio pool from npr was saying, quote, my last conversation with xi, referring to present xi of china, that is all they could hear. we are expecting formal remarks from all of them and possibly in this hour. when we do we will bring it live. much more ahead untrantitle here on msnbc. aine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine i had on the weekend on msnbc. blocksrn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. 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a jury found donald trump and convicted him. why go back and subjected to a political process where the feds have no authority and congress has no authority here to call him up and asked him about his prosecution. michael, you re absolutely right. i could not agree with you more. i think alvin bragg is operating from a spacer he thinks he has justice on his side and nothing to hide. he can defend that. the problem is the arena you are talking about this committee, they are led by jim jordan and don t care about truth or justice. we wouldn t be having this conversation if they did because we also know if donald trump was acquitted or a mistrial, he would not have been subpoenaed. this is only the function of donald trump being convicted and this is not anything that alvin bragg needs to engage in. leave it alone. can you repeat that one point . if donald trump had been found not guilty or a mistrial, what happened? this would not be happening in jim jordan would have not issued that subpoena. let us add to the list. clarence thomas finally acknowledging the lavish gifts he received among the disclosures. two vacations and 2019 that were funded by billionaire harlan crow. are you seeing the type of energy from members of the house and senate to appropriately investigate the supreme court given the level of crisis we are seeing out of this court? look, we have seen some efforts by house democrats to reform the ethics code and have some oversight over the supreme court. of course, the supreme court has repeatedly said over the years that congress does not have the authority to really administer any kind of oversight. there was some ethics reform last year, however, there is no enforcement mechanism for that. we re seeing by the examples recently, justice alito refusing to recuse himself from the presidential immunity decision or january 6th case decisions, citing that ethics code and claiming that he does not need to recuse. i think it is clear that there are some issues here with enforcement of those ethics reforms. but i think actually one of the deeper issues here is not even ethics oversight and the supreme court, it s how much the supreme court or the truth that many of the justices at least, feel there is some sort of impunity that they have had because these are people who have lifetime appointments. so i think one of the real question that maybe people should be considering is not so much of what the ethics reforms can do, but whether there are other legislative solutions like term limits for supreme court justices. i mean, some things have been done and why could argue that the democrats need to be more crafty. it s like the house is on fire and they are looking for the keys to open the door and unlock it and walk through. i m not a lawyer, so i don t know. maybe i am wrong. the rest of us just need to sit down and be grateful that clarence thomas acknowledged what propublica told us years ago. this is how the illegals work until they don t. to your point, you have to force a different way. we have seen that passing any real checks on the supreme court, this is what we can expect. this court is interesting because they had on a power grab for the duration of the last few terms. it s only going to get worse. democrats, if this is something they are sincerely concerned about and really matters to them, they will have to use alternative means and get more creative rather than expecting the court to police themselves. i would like to argue that you need to go toe to toe. thank you both so much for sticking with us on a winding newsday. president biden does damage control with progressive after his executive action on the border. we are joined by caucus with greg since our next. you are watching the weekend. for moderate to severe crohn s disease skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn s disease. control of crohn s means everything to me. ask your gastroenterologist about skyrizi. control is everything to me learn how abbvie could help you save. it s time to feed the dogs real food, not highly processed pellets. the farmer s dog is fresh food made with whole meat and veggies. it s not dry food. it s not wet food. it s just real food. it s an idea whose time has come. sara federico: at st. jude, we don t care who cures cancer. we just need to advance the cure. the heart of st. jude is to take care of children with catastrophic diseases and to advance their cure rates. but we need to be able to do that for everyone. it s a bold initiative, to try and bump cure rates all around the world. but we should. it is our commitment. [music playing] in a few moments president biden and french president emmanuel macron will give remarks after their bilateral meeting it comes at the end of the strip to france what has thus far focused on memory the 80th anniversary of the date. focus has now shipped to modern- day challenges and conflicts. president biden and his administration are now working to remedy progressives restoration over his newly signed executive action to tighten border security. his moves which would simply shut down asylum request once the average number of encounters top money 500 is met with backlash from most republicans and some democrats. for different reasons. joining us now is congressman greg casar and good morning, congressman. thank you for having me on. sir, your first initial thoughts when you found out about this executive order. is my understanding the white house did a round of calls to members of congress and a number of progressive allies to give them a heads up of what the president s order would be. executive action, pardon me. we know this has been building up and potentially coming because it is my first term and i m sitting here in san antonio, texas, where we welcome so many thousands of immigrants over the last few years. we have seen how they basically , republicans, have covered up for every failure there is i pointing to some vulnerable group of people. right now they are trying to pick on poor and desperate families fleeing violence especially from latin america. i think they have been setting up this trap that unfortunately president biden has been pushed into with this executive order. so, my first reaction we need to provide better alternative and more progressive vision for why we need a better immigration system rather than falling into the republican trap which makes immigration less legal disorder actually closes legal pathways, restricts legal pathways to migration, which is the opposite of the direction we should be going in. how do you reconcile that with the vast majority of americans who have an opposite view of what you just described? they don t have a progressive view of immigration policy. they have a more restrictive view of immigration policy in the president is trying to walk a very fine line here. given that neither the congress nor prior administrations have done squat on the border. so, it rests on his desk in the face of a very contentious election against a demagogue who wants to round people up and ship them somewhere. outside the united states for he doesn t care where. and the american people seemingly are applauding that because they are giving him the upper hand on immigration policy. so, how do you how does the present walk that line? if this is not the way to walk it? you have made some really important points and i will tackle a few of them. first of all, i am a supporter of the president and donald trump has been the most anti- emigrant president not just in modern history but as long as anyone can remember. we have to be strongly opposed to his presidency. i do not enjoy disagreeing with my own president on this executive order. the problem is, republicans in the congress has spent much of their time as possible keeping the border and immigration system is broken as possible. of course, the average american disagrees with saying these difficult images on the border. seeing people stuck in lines, sucking camps, there is not an orderly process. but it has been republican officials who have caused that. they are the arsonist and they try to track tried to blame president biden, the firefighters, for the flames they had set. so instead we should go to your question, what with the american people truly support? where should we go? one, or legal pathways so folks can apply to come here. i believe that most americans do not disagree with many progressives on immigration. they just want to see a more legal and orderly pathway. second, we actually should try to find ways to reduce some of that burden and resource strength on border communities. this order will not reduce the number of people getting pushed out and displaced from latin america, immigration doesn t start on the border. it starts in their home country. we have to have a conversation about why there are record numbers of people being pushed out of their homes. that is why i am drafting legislation to address how they are pushing folks out of their homes without resulting democracy. we need to change the policies that leave latin american countries in debt and we have to stop pushing people out of their homes before we blame asylum-seekers. especially as we recognize d-day. we fought for the values i learned in world war ii that we should not be turning people away from violent and destruction. that is when we set up the laws that we should be protecting. i want to make sure we get to this. is reporting that the white house in addition to all this is looking at the possibility of parole in place for undocumented spouses of u.s. citizens. if you ask me, that is a political lay-up and about keeping american families together. your counsel to the white house suggest a series of executive actions and authorities that would in fact enhance and benefit immigration in this country. we got to get that done. i appreciate your bringing that up. we remember when president biden was running for re- election in trying to protect dreamers and their parents as well. how important that was for the latino community and our economy and campaign. president biden needs to put forward positive vision for immigration and sign positive executive actions. i think it is the right thing to do both morally and politically. we have more ahead. this is the weekend. stay with us. so go ahead, lived with the one and only sotyktu, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it s like the feeling of finding you re so ready for your close-up. or finding 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do the use of the week there. it s not just joe biden who will save democracy. it is not kamala harris who was a democracy. it is we, the people, the voters of the united states of america who are tasked with this undertaking. a peep will have the power. we went up the people have the power. it feels as though politics is this existential thing and the world leaders and the images we ve been putting on the screen today, and these are the people making the decisions. we are just, you know, we just have to roll with the punches but the reality is these folks work for us. at least when it comes to a democracy. the people have the power and i keep going back to that article about president biden and all the things he has done on the world stage to expand and strengthen nato. and the author wrote that in america president have to earn their mandate. we give the president, the governors, the senators, members of congress, their mandate and we have to be involved. this is a pivotal moment for americans and a pivotal moment for the world. i shudder to think what happened and what the world is and 30, 40, 50 years from now if donald trump is elected in november. that is a point i made to charles. the power rests with us but we seemingly right now have a mind to not use it on behalf of democracy but to use it to exact a punishment on democracy. the retribution narrative resonates with far more americans that we want to be honest about the i was going to ask you who that we was in your sentence. we, the american people. i mean, in any other universe, this is not a contest for the next president of the united states for the presidency is firmly in the hands of the man who is arguing on behalf of the country. and its role in the world. but that is not where we are. it s not the conversation we are having to in the do you know what, michael, you re right. one could argue that he s talking about republicans, but he is talking about voters who this message of retribution is resonating with. who traffic in the bigotry, racism, misogyny and all the phobias. the people willing to prop up not just donald trump but the entire apparatus that is around him that is the republican party right now. the voters are the ones who have emboldened these elected officials and frankly people have to take a look at themselves. it seems like this is exactly who some people want to be. the reality of it is, this is not all republicans. the folks in the election process, the republicans don t have the numbers to command 70, 60%, 50% of the vote. they don t. they make up in total about, what? 32%? in a general election of identified voters. i think we have to be honest about that. in this moment of commemorating the day, and normandy, and all the men and women, quite honestly, who sacrificed on the day is a profound message back to us to say, history is not just something that goes to the dustbin. it is something that you put in the soul of the country. two reminded of its 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