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what do we know of their physical state. i can imagine everyone's mental state is in shambles. physically, are they okay? and anything coming from the idf about potential rescue operations for the 120 other hostages that still remain in captivity? >> reporter: so, three others hostages rescued today are all in good physical condition. we have not seen as much video of them as we have of noa, but we saw two coming off a helicopter in tel aviv they were walking along side israeli forces for all three of the men were also kidnapped from the october 7th music festival. they are shlomi ziv, and meil jan and andrey kozlov . in terms of potential other rescues, it is important to put this in perspective. we are months into this war. and israel has rescued seven hostages alive. in months. as much as there is celebration across israel today, i don't think anyone is operating under the illusion that all the hostages are going to be rescued like this. there is still an understanding in this country that to get most all of those 120 hostages back, it is most likely that there will have to be some kind of deal with hamas. and it is not clear at this point what sort of impact today's rescue will have on the negotiations. officials and site guys are saying 50 people were killed by israeli fire during this raid. and the head of hamas is political wing is saying if israel believes it can change the situation through force, it is delusional. it's also unclear whether this successful rescue today may make regimen netanyahu feel slightly less political pressure to negotiate with hamas for the rest of the hostages and as we know, guys, there is that cease- fire proposal on the table right now laid out by president biden last week and the world is waiting to see whether or not hamas will accept it. >> nbc's raf sanchez live from tel aviv. thank you. we will be monitoring development this hour. let's bring in our negotiator and senior fellow for the carnegie endowment for international peace. your thoughts, can we pick up where raf sanchez left off. your thoughts on these new developments. four hostages have been rescued by the idf. in central rafah today. >> on a human level, for a nation that has been in a state of collective ptsd since october 7th, this comes as an extraordinary moment and also a demonstration for israeli defense force which bears tremendous guilt and probably shame for the surprise attack on october 7. it reflects to a degree the competency and professionalism and courage which has long characterized many of the idf operations. on a political level, it does present, i think, i sort of victory of the netanyahu narrative. the longer we remain in gaza, the longer is really intelligence operates with the proximity to figure out where hostages are. and in essence it validates that narrative. on the other hand, 120 hostages , 30 plus israelis were killed on october 7th. the bodies were brought to gaza to trade or they died in captivity. the grid my reminder of the degree of difficulty that the israeli face -- it does reaffirm that israel suggests 56% of israeli public favor the biden cease-fire for hostage negotiations. i think it is a mixed message, but today, i think many israelis are ecstatic with the news that the redemption of israelis which represents a identity for that state of israel, it's a moment and with enormous satisfaction. >> david you still have 120 people that are being held captive. you still have a question mark about hamas' response to joe biden's proposal. netanyahu reticence to engage in discussions around the two state solution. and israeli people in many respects very apprehensive about the leadership of netanyahu and in the prosecution of this war. so, even though this is an important opportunity and hope, those reality still exists and at one point, at what point, does that kick back in? is it six hours from now? 24 hours from now? when people realize that, yes, this happened, but still, there is a lot of has not change in the movement. towards resolving this crisis. >> michael, that's an excellent point. this is a headline, and the reality is that member of the war cabinet reportedly to announce his exit from the war cabinet has been postponed. that's also a reminder of the fact that if he leaves the government, you will be left with the most extreme right government in the history of the state. a prime minister on trial for bribery, fraud and breach of trust three years running now and do in district court sees no reason right now to favor the biden proposal even though he has accepted over the reality of domestic political realities and if there is a core constituency, and elemental to the prime minister's calculations, it is that right- wing government. again, i think you are right. it is a moment and the israelis are right to exult in this moment but by no means does it shed any light, it seems to me, on a likely pathway out of this. hamas has not responded to this and they probably will not come back with a clean yes. and maybe a guess, but. they are under tremendous pressure from qatar but i guess, but, again, the administration will have the onus on hamas. it may well provide the prime minister with breathing room not to accept the president's proposal. we have many bad days ahead. >> aaron david miller, we have a statement coming in from prime minister netanyahu. the entire nation salutes you and the brave fighters who risk their lives today to save lives. once again, you have proven that israel does not surrender to terrorism and ask with creativity and courage that knows about to bring home our abductees but we are committed to doing so in the future as well. this is the part i want you to weigh in on you will not let up until we complete the mission and return all our abductees home both the living and the dead. >> there you have it. it's a validation of the prime minister's view, i think, and as long as the work continues, not only the greater chances of political survival, but he may rationalize the greater the possibility of additional israeli success. the killing in -- the architect of the actual terror attacks. i think that statement reflects exact lee who the prime minister is. >> you -- if you are president biden, what are the conversations you're having with her interest and this morning understanding that the president is focused on an important anniversary. >> i think the administration has only one alternative. that is to continue to press and see whether or not the negotiations -- if hostages are released in exchange for palestinian prisoners in a six- week six cease-fire, i think that is the only practical pathway out of this for this administration and for the president who is facing the most consequential election in contemporary american history. where any factor, any factor at all, in a close election could sway the results one way or the other. >> david miller, as always, thank you for joining us at the last minute. next, the revenge toting after historic conviction. you are watching "the weekend." so you don't zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with all the money i saved i thought i'd buy stilts. hi honey. ahhh...ooh. look, no line at the hot dog stand. yes! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty.♪ we're talking about cashbackin. not a game! we're talking about cashbacking. we're talking about... we're not talking about practice? 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>> not only should prosecutors be concerned that the entire electorate by larger measure the height entire american people should be concerned. i think donald trump is shown when he's going to do something regardless of how ridiculous it is, he will do it and particularly if you look at the judiciary and dogs and everything else that occurred during his a administration, we have evidence this is someone who intends to enact whatever it is he has to to keep his word in that regard. this is something that even as ridiculous as it sounds, to cause extreme amount of concern. as i listen to him during that voiceover a moment ago, i thought to myself, donald trump ran for president because they brought the charges. it wasn't that they brought the charges because he is running for president. people can construct any maneuver necessary to enact his retribution, as he says, on the judiciary for whatever he feels they have done unjustly to him. >> here's the thing. it is not just trumpet it is his cronies. take a listen to what they had to say. >> unless republicans unshackle themselves from their self- imposed restraints, and are as ruthless and fighting to save america as the democrats and fighting to destroy america, every facet of republican party politics and power has to be used right now to go to toe to toe with marxism and beam apps communist. >> all of this is about one thing. it's about shutting down the maga movement and shutting down grassroot conservatives and shutting down president trump. there is not a built -- that will ever shut me up. all victory to mag a. >> i'm sorry, it is real early in the morning to hear from those two but i think it is important to hear what they are talking about. the other thing that strikes me, they used to be they threats of prosecution. a year ago, you had the former president's and he would go after president biden and now you have adding by name hillary clinton, alvin bragg to that list, the threat is becoming increasingly specific. >> it is becoming increasingly specific and it's really chilling rhetoric to hear. you hear this and it undermines the rule of law. this rhetoric. but i think what is important is that trunk, if he is elected, what is going to matter is who the people are around him. people will like maybe steve manning, and he knows from his previous administration that if he selects people who push back against him and are willing to stop him, he's not going to get what he wants. so i think this time around, one of the things that will be different there are these promises of retribution may, is that trump is going to be thinking about who it is that he will be putting in his potential administration and this time around, i think it will be much less willing to put people in power who are going to say no. >> charles, here is my thing with all of this. the fact that we are still talking about this almost as if it is this universe of maga and trump and the democrats trying to battle them but at the core of it is a political party and institution that support that party, heritage for example. that are hell-bent on one thing. retribution, payback. you got the new york times noting that the intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against democrats at the verdict surpasses anything seen before and trump's tumultuous years and national politics. what is different now is the range of republicans who are saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms. a couple things. what the hell are they so angry about ? when they had control of both the house, senate and white house, they did nothing with it. they did not -- we are going to change, were going to put in these polys, didn't happen. yet, the american people sit back and look at this and they are like, let's do it again. let's put the same people that listen to miller. you listen to bannon and the american people are saying, give me more of that. because right now, donald trump and joe biden are tied or trump is slightly ahead because people are paying a buck more for gas. how do you break this? how do you get people to understand what this means for the criminal justice system, what it means under the rule of law, what it means when a president, a former president running for office again, wants to throw people tripped up it's not just going to be the people they see on television. this will extend to everybody else downstream. >> michael, i have to say, we have to take a step back. i'm glad you frame the question the way you did because republicans have shown they want to have the authority of the rule of tyrants but accountability of toddlers. what i mean is if you remember during midterm elections, i said republicans were politicizing the issue of crime and justice in america and they got mad at me for saying it. we have seen that play out on the national scale particularly in the wake of donald trump's conviction are in new york. we cannot enter into my face any further we we are allowing the just the system which is supposed to be there, balanced and equal, to be used as a political weapon. that is ultimately what republicans are seeking to do. they realize when it speaks to the notion of accountability there is a possibility that their leading candidate will be put in jail or held accountable under the rule of law. what do they want to do? not only do they want to change the rules, but they also want to see and have him use it as a weapon and have the party do the same. that is deeply troubling for all of us to understand what the separation of power is supposed to be on the true purpose of the criminal justice system should be. >> we will talk on the other side about pacifically alvin bragg and how they are trying to , what you are saying, into action. stick around. don't go anywhere. we have more to discuss in a moment. go to but first, we have news in paris. we got video of joe biden and french president emmanuel macron during their meeting. according to the pool report reporters there with the two world leaders, they were seated across from one another in a garden. there was no coffee on the table but president biden was talking and his voice was too low to hear what he was saying. the only snippet heard by the radio pool from npr was saying, quote, my last conversation with xi, referring to present xi of china, that is all they could hear. we are expecting formal remarks from all of them and possibly in this hour. when we do we will bring it live. much more ahead untrantitle here on msnbc. aine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine -- i had on "the weekend" on msnbc. blocksrn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. 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what do we know of their physical state. i can imagine everyone's mental state is in shambles. physically, are they okay? and anything coming from the idf about potential rescue operations for the 120 other hostages that still remain in captivity? >> reporter: so, three others hostages rescued today are all in good physical condition. we have not seen as much video of them as we have of noa, but we saw two coming off a helicopter in tel aviv they were walking along side israeli forces for all three of the men were also kidnapped from the october 7th music festival. they are shlomi ziv, and meil jan and andrey kozlov . in terms of potential other rescues, it is important to put this in perspective. we are months into this war. and israel has rescued seven hostages alive. in months. as much as there is celebration across israel today, i don't think anyone is operating under the illusion that all the hostages are going to be rescued like this. there is still an understanding in this country that to get most all of those 120 hostages back, it is most likely that there will have to be some kind of deal with hamas. and it is not clear at this point what sort of impact today's rescue will have on the negotiations. officials and site guys are saying 50 people were killed by israeli fire during this raid. and the head of hamas is political wing is saying if israel believes it can change the situation through force, it is delusional. it's also unclear whether this successful rescue today may make regimen netanyahu feel slightly less political pressure to negotiate with hamas for the rest of the hostages and as we know, guys, there is that cease- fire proposal on the table right now laid out by president biden last week and the world is waiting to see whether or not hamas will accept it. >> nbc's raf sanchez live from tel aviv. thank you. we will be monitoring development this hour. let's bring in our negotiator and senior fellow for the carnegie endowment for international peace. your thoughts, can we pick up where raf sanchez left off. your thoughts on these new developments. four hostages have been rescued by the idf. in central rafah today. >> on a human level, for a nation that has been in a state of collective ptsd since october 7th, this comes as an extraordinary moment and also a demonstration for israeli defense force which bears tremendous guilt and probably shame for the surprise attack on october 7. it reflects to a degree the competency and professionalism and courage which has long characterized many of the idf operations. on a political level, it does present, i think, i sort of victory of the netanyahu narrative. the longer we remain in gaza, the longer is really intelligence operates with the proximity to figure out where hostages are. and in essence it validates that narrative. on the other hand, 120 hostages , 30 plus israelis were killed on october 7th. the bodies were brought to gaza to trade or they died in captivity. the grid my reminder of the degree of difficulty that the israeli face -- it does reaffirm that israel suggests 56% of israeli public favor the biden cease-fire for hostage negotiations. i think it is a mixed message, but today, i think many israelis are ecstatic with the news that the redemption of israelis which represents a identity for that state of israel, it's a moment and with enormous satisfaction. >> david you still have 120 people that are being held captive. you still have a question mark about hamas' response to joe biden's proposal. netanyahu reticence to engage in discussions around the two state solution. and israeli people in many respects very apprehensive about the leadership of netanyahu and in the prosecution of this war. so, even though this is an important opportunity and hope, those reality still exists and at one point, at what point, does that kick back in? is it six hours from now? 24 hours from now? when people realize that, yes, this happened, but still, there is a lot of has not change in the movement. towards resolving this crisis. >> michael, that's an excellent point. this is a headline, and the reality is that member of the war cabinet reportedly to announce his exit from the war cabinet has been postponed. that's also a reminder of the fact that if he leaves the government, you will be left with the most extreme right government in the history of the state. a prime minister on trial for bribery, fraud and breach of trust three years running now and do in district court sees no reason right now to favor the biden proposal even though he has accepted over the reality of domestic political realities and if there is a core constituency, and elemental to the prime minister's calculations, it is that right- wing government. again, i think you are right. it is a moment and the israelis are right to exult in this moment but by no means does it shed any light, it seems to me, on a likely pathway out of this. hamas has not responded to this and they probably will not come back with a clean yes. and maybe a guess, but. they are under tremendous pressure from qatar but i guess, but, again, the administration will have the onus on hamas. it may well provide the prime minister with breathing room not to accept the president's proposal. we have many bad days ahead. >> aaron david miller, we have a statement coming in from prime minister netanyahu. the entire nation salutes you and the brave fighters who risk their lives today to save lives. once again, you have proven that israel does not surrender to terrorism and ask with creativity and courage that knows about to bring home our abductees but we are committed to doing so in the future as well. this is the part i want you to weigh in on you will not let up until we complete the mission and return all our abductees home both the living and the dead. >> there you have it. it's a validation of the prime minister's view, i think, and as long as the work continues, not only the greater chances of political survival, but he may rationalize the greater the possibility of additional israeli success. the killing in -- the architect of the actual terror attacks. i think that statement reflects exact lee who the prime minister is. >> you -- if you are president biden, what are the conversations you're having with her interest and this morning understanding that the president is focused on an important anniversary. >> i think the administration has only one alternative. that is to continue to press and see whether or not the negotiations -- if hostages are released in exchange for palestinian prisoners in a six- week six cease-fire, i think that is the only practical pathway out of this for this administration and for the president who is facing the most consequential election in contemporary american history. where any factor, any factor at all, in a close election could sway the results one way or the other. >> david miller, as always, thank you for joining us at the last minute. next, the revenge toting after historic conviction. you are watching "the weekend." so you don't zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with all the money i saved i thought i'd buy stilts. hi honey. ahhh...ooh. look, no line at the hot dog stand. yes! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty.♪ we're talking about cashbackin. not a game! we're talking about cashbacking. we're talking about... we're not talking about practice? 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>> not only should prosecutors be concerned that the entire electorate by larger measure the height entire american people should be concerned. i think donald trump is shown when he's going to do something regardless of how ridiculous it is, he will do it and particularly if you look at the judiciary and dogs and everything else that occurred during his a administration, we have evidence this is someone who intends to enact whatever it is he has to to keep his word in that regard. this is something that even as ridiculous as it sounds, to cause extreme amount of concern. as i listen to him during that voiceover a moment ago, i thought to myself, donald trump ran for president because they brought the charges. it wasn't that they brought the charges because he is running for president. people can construct any maneuver necessary to enact his retribution, as he says, on the judiciary for whatever he feels they have done unjustly to him. >> here's the thing. it is not just trumpet it is his cronies. take a listen to what they had to say. >> unless republicans unshackle themselves from their self- imposed restraints, and are as ruthless and fighting to save america as the democrats and fighting to destroy america, every facet of republican party politics and power has to be used right now to go to toe to toe with marxism and beam apps communist. >> all of this is about one thing. it's about shutting down the maga movement and shutting down grassroot conservatives and shutting down president trump. there is not a built -- that will ever shut me up. all victory to mag a. >> i'm sorry, it is real early in the morning to hear from those two but i think it is important to hear what they are talking about. the other thing that strikes me, they used to be they threats of prosecution. a year ago, you had the former president's and he would go after president biden and now you have adding by name hillary clinton, alvin bragg to that list, the threat is becoming increasingly specific. >> it is becoming increasingly specific and it's really chilling rhetoric to hear. you hear this and it undermines the rule of law. this rhetoric. but i think what is important is that trunk, if he is elected, what is going to matter is who the people are around him. people will like maybe steve manning, and he knows from his previous administration that if he selects people who push back against him and are willing to stop him, he's not going to get what he wants. so i think this time around, one of the things that will be different there are these promises of retribution may, is that trump is going to be thinking about who it is that he will be putting in his potential administration and this time around, i think it will be much less willing to put people in power who are going to say no. >> charles, here is my thing with all of this. the fact that we are still talking about this almost as if it is this universe of maga and trump and the democrats trying to battle them but at the core of it is a political party and institution that support that party, heritage for example. that are hell-bent on one thing. retribution, payback. you got the new york times noting that the intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against democrats at the verdict surpasses anything seen before and trump's tumultuous years and national politics. what is different now is the range of republicans who are saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms. a couple things. what the hell are they so angry about ? when they had control of both the house, senate and white house, they did nothing with it. they did not -- we are going to change, were going to put in these polys, didn't happen. yet, the american people sit back and look at this and they are like, let's do it again. let's put the same people that listen to miller. you listen to bannon and the american people are saying, give me more of that. because right now, donald trump and joe biden are tied or trump is slightly ahead because people are paying a buck more for gas. how do you break this? how do you get people to understand what this means for the criminal justice system, what it means under the rule of law, what it means when a president, a former president running for office again, wants to throw people tripped up it's not just going to be the people they see on television. this will extend to everybody else downstream. >> michael, i have to say, we have to take a step back. i'm glad you frame the question the way you did because republicans have shown they want to have the authority of the rule of tyrants but accountability of toddlers. what i mean is if you remember during midterm elections, i said republicans were politicizing the issue of crime and justice in america and they got mad at me for saying it. we have seen that play out on the national scale particularly in the wake of donald trump's conviction are in new york. we cannot enter into my face any further we we are allowing the just the system which is supposed to be there, balanced and equal, to be used as a political weapon. that is ultimately what republicans are seeking to do. they realize when it speaks to the notion of accountability there is a possibility that their leading candidate will be put in jail or held accountable under the rule of law. what do they want to do? not only do they want to change the rules, but they also want to see and have him use it as a weapon and have the party do the same. that is deeply troubling for all of us to understand what the separation of power is supposed to be on the true purpose of the criminal justice system should be. >> we will talk on the other side about pacifically alvin bragg and how they are trying to , what you are saying, into action. stick around. don't go anywhere. we have more to discuss in a moment. go to but first, we have news in paris. we got video of joe biden and french president emmanuel macron during their meeting. according to the pool report reporters there with the two world leaders, they were seated across from one another in a garden. there was no coffee on the table but president biden was talking and his voice was too low to hear what he was saying. the only snippet heard by the radio pool from npr was saying, quote, my last conversation with xi, referring to present xi of china, that is all they could hear. we are expecting formal remarks from all of them and possibly in this hour. when we do we will bring it live. much more ahead untrantitle here on msnbc. aine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine -- i had on "the weekend" on msnbc. blocksrn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. 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