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Morning Joe

something is going on there. you weren't so sure that the indictment was going to wait two or three weeks you had a feeling this might happen first of all, tell me why. also, why do we keep hearing allen weisselberg's name continuing to come up the past two, three days? what have you been hearing that tipped your hand to this >> good morning, joe the timetable we're all expecting here was because it was set by donald trump. that's why i thought you shouldn't believe that timetable of tuesday or bust all signs were pointing to an indictment sooner than later because they invited trump to the grand jury to testify. that's usually end game. and they had michael cohen testify, who was the punctuation mark of all this i'm not surprise wed we saw an indictment i thought there'd be multiple felonies we didn't expect. it was beyond the stormy daniels case, and it may be the case we heard that jennifer

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weisselberg testified before the grand jury jennifer weisselberg is the ex-daughter-in-law of long-time trump organization cfo allen weisselberg. she doesn't seem to have inside knowledge about the storeny stoy daniels payments, but she'd know about the finances of the trump organization she would be at the dinner table when this conversation would occur. she's an estranged ex-daughter-in-law she has a lot to say to prosecutors. that led me to believe that this is more than just payments to stormy daniels now, we don't know a lot of the counts are probably conspiracy counts. don't be spsurprised if there's bank fraud, insurance fraud, other things that can make this more serious jennifer weisselberg would be a valuable witness in the trial, but a more valuable witness would be allen weisselberg he knows where the bodies are buried expect prosecutors in manhattan to continue to pressure

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Morning Joe

up soupporting bragg. this was the same alvin bragg that would not prosecute trump a year ago and was heavily a i t attacked by many on the left and many in the media. he is deliberate he didn't do it at that time, felt there was no case one must suspect there are factors we don't know that made alvin bragg, a year later, take this step. we will not know that until this indictment is unsealed and we go to trial but alvin is not manipulated by anybody and motivated by politics. >> joins us now, lecturer in law at colombia law school, caroline plese, a defense attorney. from palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg joins us, as well. good to have you both. >> dave, thanks so much for, first of all, being in touch with me the past couple days you've given me the heads-up you said, look at the space with weisselberg.

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weisselberg to flip on donald trump. they'll pressure him with a possible insurance fraud charge. he is nearing the end of his sentence at rikers island. he is 75 years old he does not want to renew his room reservation there in prison >> yeah. it's interesting when he was being sent to prison, donald trump, who is actually older than weisselberg, said, look what they are doing to that poor, old man. but there is, again, some interesting bits of information in the news accounts that you're hearing about this, including the fact that bragg, according to sources, has communications between trump organization members. so, again, it is, some things seem to be pointing to perhaps something that's going to bring mr. weisselberg back into this dave, i'm also wondering, he can't help himself ron desantis embarrassed himself by saying he was going to fight

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there are multiple issues with this prosecution i think d.a. bragg has a long road ahead of him. you know, at a base level, you have to prove knowledge and intent and, you know, intent to defraud, not just to tie the payment. legal scholars are asking, well, who was, you know, he intended to defraud with the addition of weisselberg, we're hearing it could be new york state tax authorities. there could be tax violations involved here. there are a myriad of sort of avenues through which bragg could move this prosecution. >> and adding to that whole myriad of things that bragg would be facing, would he not also know that the trump attorneys would be going to some level of appeals courts to try to overturn the indictment or stop it? therefore, you would assume that they have various parts of the indictment that they feel would

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