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years ago, but there is really no reason when you have a candidate, like president trump, 62% in the polls, and then you have candidates like hutchinson who are less than 1% to go there and throw potshots, that is not how we are going to fix inflation and the issues going on with our country, it is a clown car. ok, but nevertheless, wisconsin is an important state in the election. the convention will be here. is there a risk he is offending republican voters by not turning up to this? no, not at all. we have had a number of republicans from milwaukee and wisconsin giving high—fives and handshakes as we were entering the arena here, the outside of the arena, this definitely is trump country, there's a reason why the president is ahead in fact nobody is going to, for example, joe biden saying you need to debatejfkjunior,
well, earlier i spoke with jason miller, a senior advisor in trump's inner circle on his absence. jason mueller, senior advisor forformer president jason mueller, senior advisor for former president donald j trump for former president donaldj trump for his campaign, thank you forjoining us this evening. isuppose you forjoining us this evening. i suppose the first question is what is the former presence giving the debaty a resident trumpism had by 50 points in the republican primary, look ahead to the general election he is the only republican candidate was beating crooked joe biden, the president trump is focusing on joe biden and we need to get this country back on track. resident crompo said he will not be at this debate. that is not be at this debate. that is not unlike what ronald reagan did in his primary campaign years ago, but there is really no reason we have candidate, like president trump, 62% in the polls, and then you have candidates like hutchinson who are less than 1% to go there and throw potshots, that is not how we are going to fix inflation and this is going on with our country, it is a clown car. , , , car. ok, but nevertheless, wisconsin _ car. ok, but nevertheless, wisconsin is _ car. ok, but nevertheless, wisconsin is an _
voters, see the doj as the enemy. what do you make of how hutchinson's message is going to resonate with the republican primary electorate? >> yeah, it's tough. i mean, a lot of groundwork has been laid that doj and fbi are corrupt, and i respect asa hutchinson for being one of the very few people to speak with moral clarity and honesty about this. the reality is there aren't a lot of people out there who are buying that at this point. it's probably one of the reasons he is barely registering in a lot of poll. i think back to one of the moments when nikki haley and vivek. nikki haley went hard on ukraine. everybody lifted that up as a big moment for nikki haley. we have to appreciate that vivek is probably closer to where republican voters are on the issue of ukraine. while she may have verbally won that debate, he may actually be better aligned with voters. here's a situation where asa hutchinson, again, very clear, what i would like from my traditional republican party to talk about, but he may be
sitting at the kiddie table. this is not about the nominatio settindonald trump is about the minageneral election and he sho n there to appeal to suburban moms going to appeal t disgruntled democrats who the type of people who helped him win in 2016 the this was a huge audience a huge opportunity. the worry about opponents as fa as nomination. he should amended to make his argument, reintroduce himself the people again as far as his policies, and not just points t as he has in social media, "yeah, my record, you know who to vote for." he had that opportunity, should have been there. overall as far as people that were there, chris christie exists in this whole race attac donaldn trump. he didn't have donald trump to attack therefore he was invisible, and thereforeefor i vivek ramaswamy aswa somebody w really benefited tonightmy .be ron desantis as well. chris christie not so much because he too then when adversary and therefore people are wonderincae heversg what wa debate stage tonight like an as hutchinson the steve's point
play to the base, but they really did say, look,s this is where stand. that's compelling to voters. i think desantis didn't have abreakout moment. >> he did not want people raising their hands. >> it's not kind erergarten he said. >> scott, especially in iowa, this is he did not have that kind of breakout moment that he really needed last night. >> was he too polite? >> he didn't elbow his way into the conversation as much. >> he was third from the bottom on the ranking of those who spoke. just ahead of burgum and hutchinson, who barely got on to the stage. so if we look at the question of donald trump and his decision not to participate, was there anything last night that you saw that said he should reconsider that for the september debate? >> he should just supporting the
changed indication in this nation is to break the backs of the teachers unions. they are standing in the door house of our kids locking them into failing schools. >> some candidates demanding transparency and school choice. >> parents should never have to wonder what is being said or taught to their children in the classroom. parents need to be deciding which schools their kids go to because they know best. >> and a couple candidates spoke about preparing students for manufacturing jobs, governor nikki haley calling to boost vocational training and hutchinson calling for better computer science education to compete with china. >> bill: thanks, lydia. >> dana: the one on my mind a lot. >> bill: education. >> dana: it's interesting. doug burgum said education is a local matter and some school districts do very well. overall as a president if you
he is certainly an interesting candidate. >> bill: to the experienced one. how do you think it went last night? >> i think it's the most chaotic debate i've ever witnessed. never been to one live before. then i thought vivek was aggressive but then i'm thinking maybe he is just intense. i still like desantis. the two that i think is time to drop out would be christie and hutchinson. i can't see them going much further. but i do like desantis. of course, i do like trump. >> bill: do you think anyone last night showed the ability to take on trump or close the gap? >> desantis absolutely. i do. you have know, i'm not looking for a perfect candidate but a former -- you can't please everyone all the time but you want to do the best for the
care for the bickering. they all violated ronald reagan's admonition not to speak ill of other republicans but the voters are looking for someone who has a solid track record of accomplishment and can speak to their needs. for the most part, the ones most involved with the bickering didn't accomplish that. there was a lot of shallowness from some of the candidates about how they would approach different problems. and so i would say there are probably three candidates, the two minor governors and vivek that probably would not make it onto the national stage. >> bill: who are those three? >> hutchinson and the governor from north dakota, and vivek. >> bill: denise, we will complete the circle here, guys. you are doing great and you are
hutchinson among them who called out the president's behavior as unconstitutional. and of course christie was extremely critical there. taken together, scott jennings, what does not just the audience reaction and that pledge but the reaction of the former president's behavior tell you about his grip on the party? is it rock solid? is it showing some cracks? does it endure through this primary process? what do you think? >> well, right now he is the far and away front-runner. i didn't see anything last night that changed my opinion of that. i was a little surprised at the amount of support on the stage for mike pence on the question of did mike pence do the right thing on january 6th. most people said he did. vivek ramaswamy ducked it, of course. so that did surprise me. but overall you've got people up there raising their hand saying they're going to support a convicted felon maybe. and honestly, that puts them way out of step with american public opinion. 70% of americans in a quinnipiac
popular, you know, a little bit ago, what can come back and the opportunity for republican party without trump and i think a lot of people went, oh, yeah, we got great options here. there is a real bench here. i think asa and doug burgum, i love them, they are wonderful, they have been desquekted -- even tim scott should have dejected themselves into the conversation a little more. no one had over 12 minutes. you won't get a frontrunner. you got energy. you got a little back and forth. we did get energy. i was glad there were policy questions there. you made everyone talk with this op-ed, folks got to get out earlier than they might want to get out. who -- the next debate is september 27. should doug burgum, governor burgum, governor hutchinson, for example, be on the stage? oh, yeah, sure. the. >> i think the west winnowing will be around thanksgiving. if you are in the low single digits, if anyone is around thanksgiving, you probably have to go. that gets it to five or six candidates by iowa.